Casspi-Greene Tracking Poll, August 2010
by Tom Ziller on Aug 6, 2010 10:50 AM PDT
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PrintWe last took the pulse of Omri Casspi vs. Donte Greene in July, just before Vegas Summer League. Doratio Kane edged the Playa from Judea. Where you do stand now?
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Went with the Doratio
And that's wassup.
by Sacramento_Strong on Aug 6, 2010 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
I choose...I choose...
…BOTH!
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
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that's weird, I have a tripod too
:rimshot:
Childress then flew to Greece and asked the team if they would pay him in gold bars, hookiers, weed, and marijuana. The rest is history.
by TheFifthMookie on Aug 6, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't care who emerges.
If one of them becomes a legit NBA starting small forward, and the other becomes a money 6th man, which is which makes no difference to me.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Agree there
If one of them evolves into almost an all star I would very very happy
There are some guys smarter than me, some guys better looking, I take comfort in the fact that there is no guy that is both.
That's because it is the girl version
they come in different styles and sizes, though
#vfettkefordraft
Omri seems to be the better player. He plays good scrappy defense, is aggressive on both ends, works hard, great shooter, and he is the better scorer
I think people are a little obsessed with the idea of Donte. He hasn’t been consistent and has not used that great size and athleticism to his advantage. He has a lot of talent no doubt, but he is yet to utilize it
Agreed.
The fact that Omri could still out-produce Donte, despite Donte’s superior athetlic gifts, just tells me that Donte’s actual skills are far, far behind Omri’s.
"Where hope goes to die"
Why do people assume Donte is more athletic?
Is it because he’s black?
Omri measured with superior scores on both max vertical leap and lane agility at the draft combine, albeit only by a little.
Just giving him the benefit of the doubt, I guess.
I see Omri shooting and rebounding better, and I figure there has to be something that Donte does better.
"Where hope goes to die"
I see the writing on the wall.
You all are just trying to starve me to death so you can replace me with Sims. Clever. But foolhearty.
by rbiegler on Aug 6, 2010 11:57 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Admittedly, I am becoming increasingly famine resistant.
But I have no idea what you’re talking about, sir.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
This is where it is good that we are not relevant
Otherwise, ESPN would pick this up and report on the ongoing feud between Donté and Omri.
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by section214 on Aug 6, 2010 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Did you just say, "there's an ongoing fued between Donte and Omri?"
Hey everyone, Section just confirmed there is an ongoing fued between Donte and Omri.
"......but Curry had a better TS%"
To me this is now no longer who should start.
It is….
Who is better suited to come off the bench and still have a similar impact to if he would be starting?
I would rather have a above-average starter with an above-average 6th man over an good starter with a bad 6th man.
"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC
its easy
Donte is a better defender. Thus, Donte will start.
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
lol.
Pretty sure Omri is a better defender, rebounds better, is tougher, and scores at the same rate or better than donte, I don’t get how anyone can choose donte after last season and summer league. Maybe he will change my mind in pre-season, but I am pretty sure Omri is gonna start this season.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Ziller posted an article on how Omri was a much better defender than Donte.
Hope
by Ultrakingsfan on Aug 6, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Omri clearly is better at the moment.
I think “Team Donte” is banking on potential. (Well founded potential, but still…)
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by caseycheesecake on Aug 6, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
well...
I remember donte defending all the star player on the other team, while omri was limited to defending smaller players because of his lack of strength. Why would westphal have donte guarding the other teams best players if omri is better? Donte’s problem is that he was inconsistent on d, but it was still better than omri being overpowered by anyone over 6’5
Phil Jackson, after treatment for a kidney stone "When the anesthesiologist leaned over me, he said "We named your kidney stone Kobe because it's not passing."
by Ellimist on Aug 6, 2010 1:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. That's what I saw as well...
but I guess people would rather believe what they read. Meh.
RIP, Coach Wooden.
Thank you, Geoff Petrie.
I cannot speak for stats, just my overall impression of watching every game last year on TV.
You rarely, if ever, saw Omri guarding Kobe, Melo, etc. I remember Donte did. I think he guarded better players.
Word.
If I did see Omri guarding Kobe, he got smoked every time. Donte had his share of being shook but I just recall Omri being more of a defensive liability last season and even in this year’s summer league, where the competition is supposed to be subpar.
RIP, Coach Wooden.
Thank you, Geoff Petrie.
Damn this is close.
Probably the closest thing we will ever vote on.
"Morrison beats Casspi 1 on 1". - MarcusC
We should've all went to the carnival and settled this proper.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Aug 6, 2010 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Team Donte!
Damn, it was 145-145 when I voted. Split right down the middle.
by UCIrvine kings fan on Aug 6, 2010 1:09 PM PDT reply actions
Hummus and Team Omri
Gruel is too good for that motley crew. Give’m vittles TZ.
I am giving the edge to Casspi but I am glad that this is a close call and worthwhile controversy.
Team Donté!
But, I have to admit that Omri made a better summer league showing.
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Donte
purely because of the upside.
I feel like Omri is going to have a career similar to Peja…just a little more rebounding and less scoring.
Donte could be a star in the league if he puts it all together.
when is Frank Wren going to wake his Ass up and see the Braves needs a Batter? This game Against Washington is Showing the team is not hitting. Get some help are philadelphia is going bnack to First? If you can’t see this maybe john scherhous should replace your stupid ass.
by jayball on Jul 27, 2010 5:41 PM MST
You do realize Peja was really, really good at one point right?
Like getting 4th in MVP voting good (2004). So if you’re saying Omri could become that, I’ll be extremely happy.
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Yes, I know. He won’t be Peja, but he’ll be Peja-lite, lite.
I’ll take Donte’s upside over that…as of right now.
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by Scott Coleman on Aug 7, 2010 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions
To me it depends on who is the power forward. Can't stay committed to one choice until that is determined.
I love the idea of running big to start games to create match-up issues. If Landry is our starter (highly likely, but not my choice) than my pick would be Greene. If it is Thompson/Cousins then I might switch to Casspi (Omri, not our summer league phenom we keep hearing about Omar), leaving the height to go with Landry from the bench. Maybe we should start a thread for preferred starting lineups during this drought of real basketball (A la Asanine Trade Thread)? Aimless Starter Suggestions (ASS), First Five For "Phal (FFFPH), Starting Lineup Idea (or Uber) Thread (SLIT/SLUT)???
My choices:
Evans 6’6
Garcia 6’7
Casspi 6’9
Thompson 6’11
Dalembert 6’11
This starting lineup may (will) have problems with small, quick PG’s and NaPG’s, but who doesn’t. Cisco and Tyreke can pair up for good defense, Casspi works hard on D, and like Greene, is still building, Thomson needs the starter minutes to continue development, and veteran Dalembert backs up solidly. Landry is probably first off bench (JT foul issues) and he can destroy the other teams backups. With him as a veteran 4, they can try Cousins off as 5 for a few minutes to get game flow, before moving him back to 4 once Thompson or Dalembert comes in (I know, everyone wants to be the 4, but someone has to be the 5, stick it to the rookie). Beno and unnamed PG/NaPG can be brought in to spell starting G’s as needed or for matchups.
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Ill be surprised
if casspi doesnt come back looking alot better given his recent play on his national team. Im torn between greens potential and the definite skill of casspi on the offensive end of the floor. And also , i am inclined to think green would pout less than casspi would ,coming off the bench.
Voted for Donte
I love how it’s 50% Casspi 49% Donte
What happened to the 1%?
Cousins is good but he's no mana from heaven.
The polls don't round up
So Casspi’s 50.67% (as of 594 votes) rounds down to 50%.
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For me...
I think Omri will be better off-the-bench as the sparkplug sixth man. Both players are good, but for me, the off-the-bench role might suit Omri better. That’s just my 2 cents.
Greené to start because of defense and ability to fill many 'holes' within the starting lineup
Casspi off the bench because of his energy and aggression
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
No because he was regularly assigned to poorer offensive players
The most common references being that Donte guarded LeBron, Kobe, and Melo in nearly consecutive games. Omri was not placed on those individuals.
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
That's an assumption, and not based on facts.
It is based on people’s perception, who have seen Greene play stretches of good defense, and remember of him blocking Kobe’s shot.
Fact is, Greene only played 21 minutes per game. LBJ, Kobe, Melo all play much more minutes. So for that reason alone, wem ust assume that Casspi had his fair share of defending these guys as well. And just like Greene, he had more bad moments than good ones. But stating that Casspi had better defensive statistics just because Greene got the tougher defensive assignments is not supported by anything but tainted perceptions.
It reminds me off those defending Hawes for having bad rebounding stats because he had to play outside the box. Nice try, but he was a mediocre rebounder on defense as well, and nothing would have stopped him from at least using his size to get the long rebounds on offense.
Another fact is that Casspi had better statistical numbers than Greene accross the board, even with his rookie-wall problems, the adjustment to a new country and the added pressure an distraction of being the first Israeli in the NBA. His main problem was conditioning, which is relatively easy to fix. Greene’s biggest problem is inconsistency, which is much, much harder to fix.
At this point, Casspi is the better player and will still improve.
But I guess the grass is always Greener on the Upside.
Dunking Dutchman
I voted Omri...
My expectations may have been too high during VSL, but I think Omri takes care of the ball better than Donte (fewer TO should be priority #1 this season). I see Donte only getting starting minutes at the 2 when the Kings play against Kobe, Bron, Melo, etc.
Casspi's Nickname is.....
….tha JEWISH JIGGA!!!!! thats what us kings fan are calling him out in the bay area!….and for the record, i think Donte’s game is ahead of JJ’s at this point, but I’ll give him the vote anyways!!
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I think Omri starts
and Dalembert’s presence will help with any defensive issues. Both are going to play a lot, and I’d be surprise to see one of them get real separation. The fact that Noc is gone will help both players become more consistent.
"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal
Hehehe. Im just thrilled TZ used my nickname for Omri!
That beig said, yeah, I’m on Team Omri.
There can only be one Noce!
I vote for Donté to start even though I think Omri could and possibly already is better.
I just feel that Omri would produce better from the bench than Donté would. Either way, I love the potential of both of those at the 3 position, and between them I think we could be set at the position for years.
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I don't know
I sorta like Greene in the starting lineup of
Tyreke
Cisco
Greene
Landry
SamWOW
because this lineup can shoot, defend, rebound, and run and gun at the same time. I like this lineup because its very will balanced. Landry’s lack of rebounding is not as big a problem having an excellent rebounding center next to him. He has the very athletic Greene too who will get boards. Tyreke is good for 5 boards. Greene also is probably good for 5+. Also Landry’s defense is not an issue because he has all above average defenders around him. Tyreke’s lack of shooting is not as much as a problem because he has 2 above average shooters on the wings. Greene’s lack of ball handling is not a big problem because Garcia and Reke both can handle the ball well. Its all pretty balanced.
by MJ5 on Aug 6, 2010 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with Donte starting, but I dont' think there's any way he comes close to 5+ rbs per game
He’s a career 3 rpg player, and Dalembert has a terrificly high rb%. So I just don’t see how he nearly doubles his rebounding all-of-a-sudden
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
I don't see Cisco starting. I think PW will stay with Beno, as Reke and Beno made a good combo.
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Donté is a very poor rebounder for his size.
Omri is a much better one.
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What Yall Are Forgetting!
Even though I would prefer Donte starting at the 3 over Omri, most of you guys are forgetting about El Flaco….What makes any of you think that Donte or Omri will even start. If Garcia is back at 110% health this coming season, he’ll easily beat both of them out. On top of that he’s already a decent offensive three point shooter and can play good defense. I"d venture to say that he should start so he can show every kings fan why he’s worthy of that hefty contract GP gave him.
If Cisco is healthy and playing at a high level
He’ll probably be playing mostly at the shooting guard position.
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I see Cisco as that combo guard ball handler off the bench.
He could come in and play either back court position alongside either Reke or Beno; I don’t know of anybody else on the team who can do that.
"Where hope goes to die"
I think casspi is a good all around player,
But I am really excited to see Donte next year.
by MarcusC on Aug 7, 2010 1:13 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Defense vs Offense
What do you pick? That’s basically how i view this poll.
This poll is so close.
Team Omri was leading by just a percentage point or two yesterday, now Team Donte has caught back up and is leading by 3 votes out of 1183 votes. Amazing!
I wonder what is running through PW’s mind about these two?
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Here's the deal guys...
“I have to make a decision between the two of you. This hasn’t been easy for me, I want you to know. I have been losing a lot of sleep over this. I was hoping the StR poll would help me out, but that wasn’t to be. The only fair way to settle this is to Flip the Chip. That’s right. You each have a 50-50 chance. Good luck.”
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Winner starts AND drives the other home
from the pity party?
by betweentheeyes on Aug 8, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I feel like I'm watching a snail race.
“Oh! Donte’s winning!”
“Omri’s catching up!”
“Donte’s increasing the lead!”
“Omri’s pulling ahead!”
And no one ever gets ahead of the other by more than a millimeter.
Right now it is ONE vote that separates them.
605 Donte; 606 Omri
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I see where this is going
Loser demands a recount!
by betweentheeyes on Aug 8, 2010 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it possible that sometime in the future...
That our lineup could feature Evans,Casspi,Green,Whiteside & Cousins?
With Green covering the best Off.wing player on D.
The best player isn't always the one who starts.
Ginobli at worst is the third best player (or at least was when they were bringing home rings) on the team and he doesn’t start. You absolutely need someone off the bench to bring intensity and the offensive spark. That could be Beno, Omri, or Carl or some combo of those but it seems to me that Omri off the bench would be awesome. I think Omri will be more like Ginobli than like Peja (and please forgive me for only comparing white players. It’s honestly a coincidence.) Many want Cisco, Donte and JT to come off the bench but there is no scoring guarantee there and we will defintely need it.
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