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30Q: Will Paul Westphal Survive?

We're asking 30 questions about the Kings' 2010-11 season.

Eric Musselman, the first coach hired by the Kings after Rick Adelman left the franchise, lasted 82 games.

Reggie Theus lasted 106 games in the hot seat, or roughly 1-1/3 seasons.

Kenny Natt made it just 58 games.

Paul Westphal has 82 games -- a full season -- under his belt. Can he do what his three predecessors could not survive this season? What will it take to do so?

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The Kings picked up the third year -- an option year -- of Westphal's contract back last April, keeping the coach under contract through the 2011-12 season. It was, honestly, a coup of sorts to get a legitimate candidate to sign a deal with only two years and $2-3 million guaranteed, even if said coach hadn't worked a lead job in eight years and had no realistic (or at least publicized) prospects to get a top job outside of Sacramento. But the Kings followed through by guaranteeing the third year quite quickly, preventing lame-duck status and making Westphal's total contract slightly more reasonable from the coach's perspective.

That alone says that the Kings like what Westphal had done through April. They thought he did a good job in a 25-57 season, which is fair enough. That roster was all mixed up, young and at most positions bad. It's worth noting that despite winning 38 games with a misshapen roster of his own, Theus didn't get that third-year guarantee after his first 82 games. Theus' team performed better than that of Westphal, yet Theus got no guarantee while Westphal did get a guarantee. That right there tells you everything you need to know about what Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs thought of the job Theus did versus the job Westphal did.

It is established, then, that the front office likes Westphal and the work he has done. As such, I find it incredibly hard to imagine the team firing him mid-season. It would take a real letdown for that to happen -- a Nets-like start, or a completely disintegration of the budding team chemistry, or a fatwa from Team Tyreke, or something completely implausible.

It's just not going to happen, and I, for one, am thankful for that. Continuity is something these inexperienced players could use, and the coach of this team needs some backbone behind his decisions. Job security combined with the master key for the rotation is just that backbone.

Now whether Westphal goes on to have an Adelmanesque Kings career, or if he at some point makes way for Mario Elie or another young head coach -- that remains to be seen. But for now, he's our team's coach, and that's the way it will almost assuredly remain for the next 82 games.

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Agreed

He better settle the rotation down though. If he plays this whole year with a wildly swinging rotation then we got problems and so will PW. Talking about Carl and JT at SF is strangely bizarre in some ways and brings up red flags for me. And not in a good, DMC way.

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by MustangMBS on Sep 1, 2010 8:11 AM PDT reply actions  

I think there are some teams that we can play Carl or JT at the SF against...

The team that shall not be named for starters….

Dalmbert on Gasol
Cousins/Landry/JT on Bynum (just keep him off the boards)
JT/Landry on Artest/Odom (Just let them shoot the 3-ball. Do not let them drive!)

This would push Casspi to the bench for when Barnes comes in. This leaves Greene/Garcia available to try to slow down Kobe and Evans to rest while on defense covering Fisher at the 3pt line and Udrih to back him up.

by Fredman on Sep 1, 2010 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know

I see your point about the size of the [redacted] is an issue, but I don’t think JT cannot defend either Artest or Odom on the perimeter. Maybe Landry could, but I think I still take the length and quickness of Donte’ over either one of them. He may not have the strength of Artest, but is probably getting stronger.

I think PW was given a lot of lattitude last year because he did not have the talent he wanted. He now has that talent. No excuses now. He gets a set rotation and plays that or he should hear about it.

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by MustangMBS on Sep 1, 2010 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

 I don’t think JT cannot defend either Artest or Odom on the perimeter

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by MustangMBS on Sep 1, 2010 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

that is why I made the comment (Just let them shoot the 3-ball. Do not let them drive!)

I think JT can cover those guys on the perimeter as long as he plays off them and entice them into taking long jumpers/3pt shots. That was the strategy that Boston used in the Finals because those two guys couldnt hit the rim let alone put it the hole.

I would prefer JT’s rebounding against Artest/Odom than Greene. Although, the triangle offense doesnt really allow Artest to post up much, he would destroy Greene down on the block. OK with Greene on Odom, but would rather save him to use on Kobe.

To me, the Kings would have a better chance of winning is letting Odom/Artest shoot threes in the half-court offense and having JT, Dalembert and Cousins going for the defensive rebound.

by Fredman on Sep 1, 2010 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right

My thoughts were that they would be able to drive on our guys and they would not be able to defend against it. They would not be quick enough.

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by MustangMBS on Sep 1, 2010 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He should make it through season 2. I’d be shocked if he didn’t. However, anything less than 35 wins (barring catastrophic injuries) may make his season 3 tenure questionable.

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by SayWhat? on Sep 1, 2010 8:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Well said

The team needs the consistency. I don’t see Westphal being the type of coach who would have been gun-shy, even without the guarantee. I do, however, see a potential impact to how player’s respond. As you mentioned, a team of young players like this would be hindered by a lame-duck coach.

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by Exhibit G on Sep 1, 2010 8:12 AM PDT reply actions  

Far be it for me to defend Reggie Theus...
Theus’ team performed better than that of Westphal, yet Theus got no guarantee while Westphal did get a guarantee. That right there tells you everything you need to know about what Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs thought of the job Theus did versus the job Westphal did.

Westphal is a far better choice than Theus, but I think the short leash Reggie was on had more to do with unrealistic expectations by ownership. It seemed as though they felt the Kings were still close to being a contender, despite the overall reduction of talent from the days when the team was legitimately in the running. By the time PW was hired, everyone seemed to better understand the sorry state of affairs we were in.

I don’t think there was a hell of a lot anyone could have done with the teams that Theus managed, which isn’t the same thing as saying I think he did a very good job or didn’t get a fair shake. As a fan, I’m pleased with where we are now, and more pleased by what’s in the rear view mirror.

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by andy sims on Sep 1, 2010 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

This was my first thought too. I think the Maloofs learned to be more patient after Reggie.

And with Natt, they learned the consequences of having a lame duck coach. PW, while doing a good job, is the beneficiary of all the lessons learned over the past two or three years.

And, I agree with TZ, about it being unlikely that PW has a public issue or any issue at all with one of the young stars. The Hawes ballyhoo proved that open bickering with even a marginal talents is an embarrassment to the FO & Owners. And, I don’t think PW put on that little introduction show with Spencer by choice. That kind of public display just doesn’t seem to be Paul’s style.

No, with the guarantee of the 3rd season, it’s going to come down to x’s & o’s as far as PW’s career with the Kings goes. Can he implement a consistent offense scheme with his 2 young stars, and can he teach them how to play team defense. The clock is ticking, and he’s on the clock now.

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by HighTops on Sep 1, 2010 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

On the Theus thing

I might be mistaken, but weren’t there rumors that Reggie was loafing a bit during his tenure? Foisting a lot of the responsibility of his job to his assistants?

My understanding was Theus was let go for reasons in addition to the direction of the product on the floor.

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by otis29 on Sep 1, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No doubt
I don’t think there was a hell of a lot anyone could have done with the teams that Theus managed, which isn’t the same thing as saying I think he did a very good job or didn’t get a fair shake.

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by andy sims on Sep 1, 2010 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

WITH

Yeah, I was just expanding a bit.

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by otis29 on Sep 1, 2010 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I definitely think he makes it through Season 2

A couple of things are in his favor:

1. Expectations aren’t very high. The team wants to focus on development right now, and let the wins come as they may.

2. The Starting schedule is stacked for a good start.

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by Aykis16 on Sep 1, 2010 8:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Tyreke disagrees with you regarding expectations.

The players think they are ready to take a huge leap this year in wins. I’m not totally sure that this line of thought is outlandish with the additions of Dalembert and Cousins and the development of Evans and Casspi. This team has talent, chemistry and they really like each other. That may just be enough to make a bigger move in the standings than prognosticated. 35 wins or 45 wins, this team is going to position themselves to be a playoff team in the 2011-12 season and a contender soon after that.

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by jjham15 on Sep 1, 2010 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

The team will be better this year, I just think it's difficult to project wins at this point.

I know a lot of the playoff teams out West dropped talent wise but for the most part they still are better than the Kings (obviously no clue what will happen with Denver’s roster and the Suns are completely up in the air). Grizzlies are still alright but who knows. Houston and the Hornets are likely to have better records. The Warriors are improved but extremely thin depth wise (one of their 6 top players goes down and they are in trouble). The Clips look to have improved (laugh all you want but they have had a better record than the Kings as of late). I think the West is a real toss up this year, and it’s hard to judge how the well the Kings will do record wise in my opinion.

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by wallywagon11 on Sep 1, 2010 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree Wally- win/loss projections are tough.

I think we could come up with a consensus number- somewhere around 37 that most people would be happy about. I think my biggest question is, where would people have placed that number if the Kings drafted say Greg Monroe and then not made the Dalembert trade? I think the consensus would have put the win total, with the development of Evans and co. aroun34-35ish. So Cousins and Dalembert are only worth 2-3 wins? We have to see how this team molds itself together but let’s not be totally shocked if the Kings are better than advertised. Young players with tons of promise, younger players with even more promise and two very good veterans playing for new contracts- now that is something that I want to watch.

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by jjham15 on Sep 1, 2010 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I don't like playing this game

I prefer to look at what the other teams in the Pacific did as well when guessing how many wins the Kings will have and not just point to what the Kings did. Either way, not upset at all with the moves the Kings made and we are setting ourselves up nicely to be flexible in the future when some of the veteran teams start dropping off. I would love if the Kings used the remaining cap room to acquire crap short term contracts along with prospects or draft picks.

For what’s it worth, Dalembert will be a huge plus in rebounding and defense which we need. If we surprisingly win enough to make it to the playoffs or close to it I would bet it would largely be because of our improvement in these areas thanks largely to the Dalembert trade.

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by wallywagon11 on Sep 1, 2010 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree with wally on this one.

And it huts me to say that.

When I look at the Pacific Division, I see almost every team has gotten better with the exception of the Phoenix Suns who lost their talented big man in Stoudamire.

I think the team to watch out for is the Clippers. They essentially have 3 first round picks adding to their season (Griffin, Aminu and Bledsoe) to go along with Chris Kaman, Baron Davis and Eric Gordon. Kaman, Grifin, Aminu, Gordon and Davis is a starting lineup that should be in the playoffs at the end of the year (replacing Phoenix or Denver???).

Golden State is the team that the Kings might be able to pass in the standings. With their SF position still up in the air their starting lineup of Beindis, Lee, Curry, Ellis and unknown SF seems beatable as well as their lack of bench depth.

And the only way I see Phoenix falling below the Kings is if Nash gets hurt for the season. Anyone got Tonya Hardings telephone number?

by Fredman on Sep 1, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

The SF for the Warriors is Dorrel Wright. Underrated by most but overrated by some.

Reggie Williams looks to be coming off the bench (can’t guard SFs).

Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed

by wallywagon11 on Sep 1, 2010 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure the suns lost their big man, but steve nash is still heading the team. Robin Lopez is only going to get better, Jason Richardson has more free-will to shoot and be the player that he was in charlotte, and also the suns have an improved defense;

Especially on the wings with J-chills, Hill, and Dudley. Rebounding will be a bit of a problem, but STAT really wasn’t much of a rebounder. The team will have to play more tightly and gang rebound, but with the team chemistry, that really shouldn’t be a problem.

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by Bkj on Sep 1, 2010 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rebounding will be a bit of a problem, but STAT really wasn’t much of a rebounder. The team will have to play more tightly and gang rebound, but with the team chemistry, that really shouldn’t be a problem.

How would team chemistry somehow make rebounding not a problem?

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by wallywagon11 on Sep 1, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

In my Chem class a lot of things went boom!

So I’m guessing explosive leaping will occur.

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by ElRonToro on Sep 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

If R Lopez can stay healthy

Thats been his problem so far and big men who start getting injuried a lot early . . . .

If Denver blows things up with a CA + trade. Can Phx really win with no Amare and an older Nash? Some more wins may appear in the West and some of those lower spots may open up.

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by lietothegirls on Sep 1, 2010 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree wally

It is really tough to project wins right now. As a die hard, I’d like to say 41 and massive improvement, but we have such a new roster and other teams do as well. Should be very interesting season

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by KingsFanInPortland on Sep 1, 2010 11:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

At this point in the season I always project 82

and then dial it back a bit during pre-season

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by ElRonToro on Sep 1, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Suns are hard to project this year just look back to last season when most "experts" were projecting

them to contend for the 8th spot in the playoff at best. It would make sense they won’t be as good this season without Stat but who knows.

As far as PW goes I agree with TZ that barring a nuclear winter, a cataclysmic meltdown or a total failure to develop the youth that he survives the season. It’s clear from what JR said on the podcast that management’s sees this as a development season. As long as the team reasonably improves over last season, say 8 -10 additional wins, then Westphal’s job appears safe.

I actually think that the one thing that might put his job at risk a bit going forward is if the team plays better than expected and starts to look like they can contend. While that upside wouldn’t be a problem for the fans it might make the FO wonder if Westphal is the coach to take the team to an elite level. I’ve always thought that Westphal was brought in to develop the young players and that it will be another coach that takes the Kings past the 2nd round in the playoffs. Ettore Messina still looks good to me.

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by Bluejohn on Sep 1, 2010 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well they better

I want players to believe they are going to go 98-0 and win the championship, and not settle for low expectations.

by jozyme on Sep 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That right there tells you everything you need to know

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by pookeyguru on Sep 1, 2010 8:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Adding -

I would looooooooooooove a set rotation.

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by section214 on Sep 1, 2010 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Watching kids “fight” for playing time gets old quick. I hope Westphal says “Okay guys you have until the first game of the season to impress me. Then I’ll decide who starts. After that, you have the opportunity to win up to 10 more minutes of playing time.” BAM!

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by caseycheesecake on Sep 1, 2010 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

This whole set rotation thing is interesting isn't it?

We want to see development in the young players and we want wins and we want stability and we want the players to play with confidence. I think the Westphal schizophrenic player rotation help focus the players in a round about way. In order for players to develop, they need minutes. In order to get minutes, they need both stability and confidence. With the Westphal system and with the Kings roster make-up, players are forced to perform, even if that means for a 20 second stint before a quarter ends. In this system, the players need to develop away from the team concept, show confidence in their own ability- not by having a coach pump them up and bring focus every night because they might only have a 2 or 3 minute stretch to show that they have “it” on that given night.

While I don’t always approve of the substitutes, you can always see it coming when a player is removed which means they are doing something visibly wrong even to a fans eye. What I like about this season #2 in the Westphal moment (not quite and era yet) is that he has multiple pieces that can do similar things so the Kings are not always reliant on one player (except Evans) to do a particular task. Last season, it seemed like Jason Thompson was the only real rebounder the Kings had in the post outside the occasional minutes given to Brockman. This year, Westphal has Dalembert and Cousins. Last year, the Kings started the season with Hawes as their “offensive post player” and then Landry joined the team at mid-season. Now, the Kings have Landry and Cousins to rely on as post scorers. Shot blocking? Zero in 2009-10. Hawes and Thompson each put up around 1 a game but neither is a goalie. This season, when Tony Parker is cutting to the hoop at will or Al Jefferson is doing his back down move, the Kings can send Dalembert to protect the goal and steal minutes with Whiteside as well.

This is a deeper, more talented team with multiple pieces that were missing from last seasons puzzle. Westphal will be able to match-up size and skill at almost every position on the court where last season, he was forced to bend a players skill set to fit a need. I think the Westphal style will play perfectly this season with all the depth. Players need to drink the kool-aid and whether they play 15 or 35 minutes, they need to bust their asses for everyone of those minutes. When they go back to the bench, they need to take a sip of water and then turn their attention right back to cheering on whom ever is now playing in their place. Team unity and chemistry will dictate how the players handle the wild player rotations of Westphal but if the goal is to win- not personal accolades, then minutes played should mean very little to the core 9-10 players.

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by jjham15 on Sep 1, 2010 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Nice take, Section

And for the most part I tend to agree, especially this – “At the end of the day, this Kings squad will only have a set rotation when the players detrmine it through their play.”
One thing I enjoy in terms of strategy, however, is playing the matchup game, and this team has the ability to match up for small ball AND traditional lineups, and we can do it on both sides of the floor. While set rotations bring a certain peace of mind, I believe there is also something to be said for changing the line up to take advantage of mismatches, so I’m not that worried about PW’s tendencies to tweak the lineup if they give our team any sort of competitive edge…

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by Sacto_J on Sep 1, 2010 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't agree

"At the end of the day, this Kings squad will only have a set rotation when the players detrmine it through their play."
This seems to imply it’s only up to the players, and the coaching staff is no more than a lineup committee. It’s a bit more chicken and egg discussion, I believe.

Of course how players play determines for a large part their place in their rotation. But how the coaches give the players confidence and clarity about their roles, how offensive and defensive schemes are tailored to the players, how team chemisrty is preserved while playesr clamour for minutes etc. is extremely important. That’s often what seperates good coaches from mediocre coaches.

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by RikSmits on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

fwiw, the "chicken and egg conundrum" is not really a conundrum

To move from pre-chicken to chicken, there must be an evolutionary mutation. A mutation can take place either during reproduction (the DNA mutates and a new organism is produced) or during the life of the organism (cellular mutation affecting the existing organism, but not its DNA). A pre-chicken can give birth to a chicken only if its DNA mutates. And so, the chicken egg would come before the chicken.

Or, a pre-chicken could suffer a cellular mutation that made it resemble what we now call a chicken, but that mutant would not be a “the first chicken” in any meaningful sense because it would be unable to give birth to chickens, as its DNA would yield pre-chickens, only. Only when a pre-chicken experienced a mutation in its “egg” would the first chicken be born. Thus, the egg necessarily comes before the chicken.

In short, PW won’t have egg on his face so long as Donte, Omri and DMC are ready to hatch this season.

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by Holmdel on Sep 1, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

Fair points, no doubt

But I think its a bit pointless to tailor offensive and defensive schemes for players when they aren’t performing at expected levels or can’t grasp the schemes to perform them adequetly in the first place (see Spencer Hawes.) True, its nice to have a coach who does everything he can to instill confidence, but at the end of the day, whose job is it to keep players motivated? I’d say its the players’ responsibility. And all that being said, I still like the idea of having a versatile enough roster that we can change the line up to take advantage of mismatches against nearly any opponent now. Consistent rotation is a luxury teams like Miami, Boston SA and LA can realistically afford because of their proven veterans. We don’t have any of those…

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by Sacto_J on Sep 1, 2010 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking rocket science here

I mean that with a young team you’ve got to run a lot and apply defensive perssure, with JT in the game you don’t play him as the passer in the high post, and stuff that is a bit more sophisticated than these obvious examples.

And why wait? If players can’t learn the basics of certain schemes now, you’ll think they will learn to execute all their nuances when they’re polished veterans? Shouldn’t their ability to play, read and react to schemes be part of their polish?

I wouldn’t be surprised if many coaches agree that today’s game is almost as much about managing egos as it is about knowing x’s and o’s. Sad but true.

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by RikSmits on Sep 1, 2010 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you're against versatility?

You’d rather see the same 5 guys trotted out against every opponent, regardless of whether or not starting another player gives you a potential advantage against an opponent just so PW doesn’t offend their egos? Sorry, but that doesn’t fly with me. Sure, consistency is a good thing, but so is versatility and the ability to make other teams adapt to you, egos be damned….

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by Sacto_J on Sep 1, 2010 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

If it's the best 5 guys why not? Make the other team prove they can beat our best.

Sometimes it’s better to go with your strengths rather then try and match up against the opponents strenghts. And, there is great value in having players who know their teammates tendencies and can work well together.

Besides, players are more versatile then one might think. If the guards are getting beat by quicker opponents, they might give them more space and make them hit the uncontested long ball. While at the other end you use your strength to your advantage and post them up. It’s a 2 way street, their advantage over your advantage, it’s the team that adapts best that usually wins. Not the team that takes one of their better players off the court because they don’t match well at one end.

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by HighTops on Sep 1, 2010 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

my take on Coach Westphal


The Kings are building a winner. One does not exist today. You start with a block of wood and you create. In this case, it is a team.

Talent alone does not make a winner (see FIBA). It improves your ability to win, but as Section says, as jjham says, as Rik Smits says, as Sacto J says – it is young players, it is role ready veterans, it is coaching. It is building a rotation but starting with one in place. This collection of players will win when, and if, they learn to be a team. That is the game of basketball. Corny, simple but that is my take.

To address this post: I, for one, am delighted that the Kings have a man like Paul Westphal in place. He has patience, a vision, and the support of management and he is a reliable masthead for the players.
The tenure of Westphal will be challenged after the 3 year contract he has signed comes to a close (the lockout year may confuse this). As expectations continue to rise his abilities will be questioned and should the Kings stifle (not progress) in the playoffs the finger pointing will become more intense.

I see that as 3 years away (lockout) and that means Petrie, Cooper and Co. will be older as well and possibly looking to move on. Should a new GM start that will increase the controversy.

by betweentheeyes on Sep 1, 2010 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

He is carving the wrong trophy

It should be round…

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by MustangMBS on Sep 2, 2010 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure he's carving ANYthing!

I’ve been watching him for the better part of an hour and his shavings ain’t pilin’ up none!!

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by Holmdel on Sep 2, 2010 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hopefully it settles down pretty quick..

If it doesn’t settle down pretty quick then that should really be an issue.

This team is going to need some consistency to learn to play together, especially to play team defense. In watching last year I had to wonder if PW really focuses on team defense. He would bring in somebody who is a good individual defender instead of focusing on getting players to defend as a team. I think this was his biggest flaw. The players needed time to gel and play team defense. They didn’t really get it though I saw glimpses at the end of the season.

Chemistry takes everybody knowing their role on the floor. If they don’t know what position they are going to be expected to play or what role they are supposed to fill when on the floor then it really hurts chemistry development, IMO. Taking that chemistry and making it work needs to be a priority. I really do think that wild rotations are destructive to team chemistry.

I guess my main consideration is that this is a much more talented team than last year and the talent that is on the team should be sufficient to fill the positions. We don’t have big holes in the roster and depth is available to play each position. Maybe not starting depth on a playoff team, but it is a much more complete team at each position and should be played as such…

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by MustangMBS on Sep 1, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just to be clear...

I don’t consider switching between JT, Landry, Dalembert, Whiteside, or Cousin in the low post qualifies as a “wild rotation.” You play any one of them at SF then that probably qualifies. You play Casspi at PF and that probably qualifies, but Donte’ not so much.
 

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by MustangMBS on Sep 1, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with the experimentation and different looks

But not because PW is a natural experimenter. Mostly because coaches in PW’s situation have to do that. If you’re trying ti win games, and a player may not have his game going on that particular moment, is PW supposed to keep playing that player? If the player he substitutes for another player doesn’t fit with the particular group, should he keep the struggling player in to keep his confidence?

This is the problem with substitutions and young players. No matter what PW does, he’s going to piss someone off with whom he substitutes in or out of the game (as 214 said). Plus, with similar talent comes similar issue’s in matchup’s. Until players expand their games, or more well rounded talent comes into the rotation, that’s going to be an issue. It’s why this team will lose games after all.

At the end of the day, this Kings squad will only have a set rotation when the players determine it through their play.

This is probably what my last paragraph is aiming at. When the players decide who are the best players PW will play them. Tyreke Evans gets alot of minutes. We know that will happen. Who else is guaranteed to get 36 MPG? Anybody on this roster? I doubt that.

Coaches, and Rick Adelman taught me this lesson, and one of the reasons I like him much more than I did during the bulk of his coaching tenure in Sac, play their best players the most minutes they can. The better talent they have top to bottom, it means less wearing out of their top players over the season plus the playoffs. However, the best players don’t benefit from playing 32 MPG when they can play 38 MPG barring health issue’s. (Which is usually the big reason for a minutes dip.)

If there is a more consistent rotation, that would be amazing. It would mean that this team has developed far beyond my imagination, or, for that matter, anyone in the organization’s imagination too.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 1, 2010 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Not only will PW

Make it through this year but they will resign him UNLESS he like shoots Reke or DMC in the face with a shotgun! PW is the perfect coach for this team. He has Reke a great talent which keep us in most games on his off days. Now that we have some ppl who can play D and grab some boards (Big D and DMC) we should really be able to compete with some of the teams with multi 7footers; And now that Carl, Jt, Greene and Casspi have all been in this system b4 they should really just build on their perfomances from last year.

The only thing that can go wrong is Reke getting hurt, if Greene, Casspi, or JT get hurt we can still win a few games…but if Reke goes down our line up becomes Beno, Garcia, Greene, Carl, Big D. That might not beat the Nets. And if Reke misses 25+ games then PW can’t be at fault if they lose.

I see the Kings making some real noise this season, If we can really get a decent, starting SG the NBA better watch out. Because we have hight, toughness, Defense and Depth which is what wins…..PLUS we already have our TO-GO-Guy….who is LeBron but only 20 years old…..

by shadowchicken on Sep 1, 2010 10:53 AM PDT reply actions  

Not the biggest fan of calling Tyreke "Lebron but nly 20 years old."

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by wallywagon11 on Sep 1, 2010 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah still not a fan of calling him Lebron but only 20 years old

Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed

by wallywagon11 on Sep 1, 2010 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gloria

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by Holmdel on Sep 1, 2010 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You can't compare Reke with Lebron

Lebron is NaPG. Yah you all were thinking it but I was the only one with the guts to say it.

by chandlerj on Sep 1, 2010 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think PW is a good coach for now

He seems to have a good report with young players, and is the right coach to help them develop. However, once the youngsters have grown up, I’m curious to see how he measures up from a tactical POV come play-off time. So far, he has not been in a position to instill a defensive identity, nor an offensive one (unless you call give the ball to Reke and clear out an offensive identity). But that time will come, and I’ll have to see how he functions then.

For now, I’m happy with PW.

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by RikSmits on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I loved the way

Last year when we would give LA or Clev all they could handle, play with so much heart but lose close ones at the end, PW would get up on the podium and say how proud he was of the guys, and how our efforts night in and out were terrific. The season may not have ended on such a high note, but with a little more talent and a little more experiance I think this team can surprise some people this year, and if we come out the gates fast could really make for a fun season.

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on Sep 1, 2010 11:11 AM PDT via mobile reply actions  

35 wins is the yardstick

Anything is possible if the Kings play sub-.300 ball deep into the season. The front office and the fans are counting on contiued improvement, and if it’s not forthcoming, all bets are off.

I like Elie and think he will be the next Kings coach in any case.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Sep 1, 2010 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

on this one i agree with you new era

Unless we do good and someone else swoops Elie.

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on Sep 1, 2010 1:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I actually would find it hard to believe Elie would be the new coach unless it's something where Westphal gets canned mid way through the year

Because talent? You want to add a guy like boozer because hes talented? I’m sorry i just don’t see that as a valid reason. -- fffindeed

by wallywagon11 on Sep 1, 2010 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's exactly how it will happen.

"I know we certainly gave up a lot to get him, but we do have other players on the perimeter who we can plug in. We haven’t had anybody who we feel is a go-to guy in the post. So we gave up a lot to get a lot, and we’re real excited about adding Carl." - Paul Westphal

by NewEraKings on Sep 1, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If PW starts having success

I don’t see age being used as a yardstick unless its an obvious factor on his end. Success is success. I didn’t see any signs that he wore down as the season wore on last year.

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by lietothegirls on Sep 1, 2010 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

CBA

Any thoughts on how the CBA and a possible lockout next season will effect Paul making it through this season?

Are the Kings limiting fixed costs going into a lockout? Is Westphal being paid x where Paul’s replacement would make 2x during a lockout.

by Putka on Sep 1, 2010 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Coaches have contracts and aren't part of the union, so lock out or not they still get paid.

and their contract continues to run out. But, revenue was up last year, and it has gone up almost every year since the last CBA was signed. So, I can’t see anyone wanting a lockout. The owners overpaid the players last season almost $400M more than the CBA required. And, the newest rookie has the same voting rights as LeBron or Kobe. So, don’t expect the majority of the players to vote for a strike when the best players are going to get their money anyways.

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by HighTops on Sep 1, 2010 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Time to wake up-

Each human being is borne with a ‘developing’ Ego…Kings Staff appear only needing to deal with keeping one play maker Ego balanced or in check-playing no matter what, and that does not seem to be a difficult challenge. I hope a hand full of the guy’s surpass their individual goals swaggering play time with foam spewing from mouths, beating chest, how great thou R. Nevertheless, if a Coach shows inadequacy not smelling chemistry early on, and not developing it with his gut-and is not a playmaker who can be a true sixth man w/ability to help win extra games X crunch…si a naira. However-I bet they can trust PW (min. two-year extension) to deliver once the two proven hot shots show up by midsummer of next year. I repeat this need to bring in girth and proven swagger for the goodness of P/W deserving much louder shout out’s.

by Poison Monkey on Sep 5, 2010 4:40 AM PDT reply actions  

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