30Q: Can the Kings Do Better at the Line?
We're asking 30 questions about the Kings' 2010-11 season.
Why was the Kings' 2009-10 offense mired in the bottom third of the league?
The Kings were excellent on the offensive glass, and while the team may improve due to the selection of DeMarcus Cousins and the replacement of Spencer Hawes with Samuel Dalembert, that's practically gravy.
The Kings shot an effective field goal percentage of .491, just a shade off the league average of .501. The Kings averaged 84 FGAs per game. Had they shot league average from the floor, they would have scored 1.5 points more per game.
The Kings were 19th in the league in turnover rate, with a giveway on 13.6 percent of possessions. League average was 13.3 percent. If the Kings cut their turnover rate to league average, they would gain a possession for every fourth game. That would mean the addition of roughly one points per week.
Where's the real big glaring problem? At the line.
The Kings averaged .207 made free throws for every field attempted. The league average was .228 FTM/FGA, and the league-leading Nuggets were all the way up at .290. How much did that mediocrity hurt the Kings on a game-to-game basis?
The average team earned two free throw attempts for every six field goal attempts, and made about 76 percent of those free throws. In an 84-FGA game, that equates to a bit more than 19 points a game from the stripe.
The Kings earned two FTAs for every seven FGAs, and made less than 73 percent of those free throws. In an 84-FGA game, that equates to about 17 points a game from the stripe.
That's a pretty big problem, bigger than the team's field goal shooting problem on a gross scale, even though shots from the floor are so much more common than shots from the line. Think about that: improving the team's foul-drawing and foul-shooting would have a larger impact on the team's performance than improving the team's shooting from the floor. That's pretty amazing. (And there happens to be four teams worse in free throw rate.)
What's the bigger problem, drawing the fouls or shooting the free throws?
Raising the draw rate to league average but maintaining the team's 2009-10 free throw percentage would add an average of about 1 point per game for the team.
Raising the team's free throw percentage to league while maintaining its draw rate would add an average of about 1 point per game for the team.
So they are about even.
Now is it feasible? Cousins taking Hawes' minutes is a wonderful step in the right direction for draw rate. Another year of experience for Tyreke Evans should help as well. Carl Landry's aggressiveness, as well as the same attribute applied to Omri Casspi and Donte Greene, matter a good deal for the draw rate problem. Converting the foul shots at a higher rate relies on some combination of the team's average foul shooters (Evans, Landry) doing better, and Cousins improving greatly on his college performance.
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This is where not having Kevin Martin really hurts us
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I don't see how being soft has anything to do with drawing fouls.
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by iashwash on Sep 13, 2010 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Hmmmmm
Raising the draw rate to league average but maintaining the team’s 2009-10 free throw percentage would add an average of about 1 point per game for the team.
Raising the team’s free throw percentage to league while maintaining its draw rate would add an average of about 1 point per game for the team.
What the hell – let’s do both!
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or do both..
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by Rhondda Nunes on Sep 13, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Did anyone else think..
“Peja?” At first glance of Omri’s picture? I did. Then I looked again and said, “oh, nevermind. Makes sense.”
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by Rhondda Nunes on Sep 13, 2010 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It was pretty obvious that the free throws were really bad at times.
But this is a very nice breakdown of the actual cost. Thanks for keeping it simple!
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I haven’t really watched Cousins during his time with Kansas. How was his free throw shooting?
by Smooth Criminal on Sep 13, 2010 6:09 PM PDT reply actions
So you're saying
that he did not miss one free throw at Kansas?
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by section214 on Sep 13, 2010 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
ha.
yeah, honey, it was Kentucky. K-E-N-T-U-C-K-Y. : )
While at UK DeMarcus went 162-268 from the line for the year, for a percentage of .604. So, not something to jump up and down about, but not totally terrible, either.
Also worth noting, I think, is that he was third in the nation last season in drawing fouls, per 40 minutes played. You can find the number here, courtesy of Ken Pomeroy. That is incredible.
Now, and as was mentioned above in the feature post, he just needs to continue to get to the line at the same rate, only he needs to translate those trips to more points than a .604 percentage and ya’ll should be just peachy, from the line, at least. : )
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by lietothegirls on Sep 14, 2010 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
The biggest chance for improvement
Evans shot 75% from the line last year, taking 6.5 free throws per game. Add 1 more free throw attempt per game and up the percentage to 80% and that adds 1.2 points per game.
Landry shot 5.3 free throws per game for a Kings team that did not really run a lot of low post offense for him. He also dropped from an 85% FT shooter in Houston to 74% for the Kings. Get him another free throw attempt per game and get his percentage back to about 82%, and that adds 1.3 points per game.
Combined, these two guys would add 2.5 points per game, which would have vaulted last year’s Kings team from 18th in the league in scoring to tied for 7th. That’s substantial.
Yes, Casspi and Greene and JT and Cousins all need to become better free throw shooters (note – JT is the best of these guys at 72%). But the improvement has to come from the guys that have the potential to be volume free throw shooters. For next year at least, those guys are Evans and Landry.
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by section214 on Sep 13, 2010 8:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Cousin as a potential volume FT shooter?
I looked up his Kentucky stats and there is a lot of inconsistency in FTAs. Some games at 10+. I know college doesn’t directly translate, but it is interesting to consider how well other teams can defend him and if he can draw fouls. I think that he could shoot a lot of FTs.
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I think that Cousins may become a volume FT shooter
But not this year. Between his conditioning, his own foul trouble, and going through the rookie hazing that he’s going to get from NBA refs, he will not shoot a significant number of free throws this year, in my opinion. 3 per game would be a pretty good average for him this year. Blair, Jerebko and Gibson all averaged between 2 and 2.2 FTA’s as rookie big men last year, and they all logged minutes that would be roughly in Cousins’ range. Give Cousins a bump for being a little more offensively polished that Jerebko and Gibson, and maybe he’ll get a few more minutes than Blair.
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I will add
Cousins’ attempts could go up if he has trouble making FT’s early in the season, as opposing teams will begin to hack and grab and force him to earn it from the line.
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by betweentheeyes on Sep 13, 2010 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes a lot of sense. Rookies aren't generally volume shooters.
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Cousins has pretty good FT form
I’d think he’ll get better pretty soon, raise up to 70% or so.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 14, 2010 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
70-75% is a nice target for DeMarcus
And with the amount of FTs he’ll be shooting I’ll be happy with that.
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Good point about the frequent shooter having the greatest impact.
Cisco was our best FT shooter percentage wise but took the fewest shots because of his limited minutes, so his return should help. Add to that the Kings are losing 3 of our worst FT shooters in K9, May, and Brockman. So, the Kings should shoot at a better percentage just with the lose of those 3 and the addition of Cisco.
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who can forget the losses to the Lakers and Cavs, missed free throws.
by noreboundsnorings on Sep 14, 2010 10:00 AM PDT reply actions
TZ mentions the Kings ability to draw fouls,
He said
What’s the bigger problem, drawing the fouls or shooting the free throws?
Raising the draw rate to league average but maintaining the team’s 2009-10 free throw percentage would add an average of about 1 point per game for the team.
Now, I realize that this isn’t in the true context of the post, but I think the bigger problem is committing fouls and sending the opponent to the charity stripe.
The Kings committed the 5th highest number of fouls per game in the league. The were the 22nd team in getting fouls, which combined to make the Kings #1 in foul differential. So, their opponent got 2.2 more FTA’s per game than the KIngs did. The KIngs opponents scored 233 more points then the Kings did on made FT’s, on 180 more attempts, so we gave 139 of those 233 extra points because we fouled too often. And, by my calculations the Kings lost at least 9 games when they outscored their opponent in FG’s but were outscored at the FT line.
I don’t know how you can force your opponent to foul you more often, but you should be able to learn to play proper defense so you don’t foul your opponent as often. Of course, improving both would be best, and might move those 9 lost games over onto the Kings win side which is what’s probably necessary for the Kings to move into the .500+ range in wins.
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by HighTops on Sep 14, 2010 10:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Worth highlighting
the Kings lost at least 9 games when they outscored their opponent in FG’s but were outscored at the FT line.
Wow.
A reasonable improvement in the FT differential could mean 5 wins righ there – not to mention any other improvements.
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by lietothegirls on Sep 14, 2010 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
This is why I think we'll be in the mid to upper 30s in win total this year.
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Fouling = Poor Defense/Poor Defenders
Hopefully the addition of some defensive-minded players like Dalembert and Wright as well as an injury free season from Garcia should close the foul differential that you spoke of. Plus, little things like improving defensive rebounding will also close the gap since that limits the # of possession the King’s oppoents will have, thus the # of opportunities the Kings will foul someone.
Plus, for some reason I think another season of Coach Elie instilling some toughness will help as well
You do realize that this point is, maybe was, one of upcoming Qs?
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I fear the addition of Dalembert and Cousins might hurt in more than the obvious ways
Sammy was 11th among centers in fouls per 48 minutes at 5.7 per 48. Landry was 33rd among Forwards at 4.5 per 48. But, JT was 13th among forwards with 5.7 per 48. Where I think the addition of Sammy & Cousins could hurt is that their presence will force JT to play more PF. And, it was when he played center last season, that he seemed to improve his defense and commit fewer fouls.
When he’s forced to play more PF and defend his man further away from the basket, that’s where I think JT’s foul problems will return. He uses too much hands and arms to defend and not enough feet.
So, we add Dalembert who fouls more than Hawes. We add Cousins who’s still an unknown but who probably isn’t going to get any favorable calls from the refs as a rookie. And, we force JT back to the position where he has the most problem defending. I think PW is going to have to do a superior job, to keep the Kings from leading the league in fouls. But, on the bright side, teams aren’t going to be thrilled about going to the rim with the Kings having 30 hard fouls to give in the paint.
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by HighTops on Sep 14, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
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i think having
centers behind JT who can actually clog the lane will cut down on JTs fouls. In my opinion at least half the reason he fouled more at the 4 is because Hawes D was nearly nonexistant so JT had to slide over.
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by SavageBeast on Sep 15, 2010 6:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea, it was Hawes fault that JT held the guys jersey and didn't even realize it,
and it was Hawes who forced Jt to have his arms out at a 45 degree angle so when his man went up with a shot he jumped into JT’s arms. And, don’t forget how it was Hawes’ fault the JT couldn’t set a screen without getting called for setting an illegal pick.
The guy is gone, can we stop blaming the inadequacies of our young players on someone other then themselves.
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wow, who pissed in your cheerios?
Calm down, man. I’m not saying all of JTs faults can be blamed on Hawes. But to say that playing the 4 with a guy whose idea od D was whining to the offcials didn’t have a significant impact is crap.
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by SavageBeast on Sep 16, 2010 12:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My kids used up all the milk and I had to eat my Cheerios dry.
But, back to your original statement,
i think having centers behind JT who can actually clog the lane will cut down on JTs fouls.
I think it’s totally wrong. JT got his fouls because he was a poor defender and not because Hawes or anyone else wasn’t able to recover to help when JT got beat. If anything is was Hawes who was forced to leave his man to help out when the guards or someone else got beat. One of the issues that was pointed out multiple times on this site was that Hawes didn’t rebound on the defensive end as well as he should because he left his feet too often to try and block shots when someone else’s man got by them and drove to the basket.
If your point was that JT won’t have to foul when he gets beat because Dalembert is behind him, I think your giving too much credit to Sammy. He’s good but I doubt he’s good enough to cover both the center and the PF when JT isn’t able to cover one of them. Plus, it’s unlikely that Dalembert and JT will be teamed up for most of JT’s minutes and Cousins hasn’t shown that he’s any better at help defense then Hawes was.
Players are going to get beat and when they do they can’t always rely on someone else to save them. There’s going to be times when they need to foul. But, when they foul before they get beat like when they get called for violations of the hand check rule, then it doesn’t matter who’s behind them.
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i see JT as a better defender than you do
But I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Next time go for the oj.
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