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Cal Expo Rejects Land Swap; Kings Arena Plan Reels

In a surprising turn of events, Cal Expo has rejected the plan to move to the current site of ARCO Arena so that developers can turn the current Expo site into a new business/residential center and fund the construction of a new Kings arena downtown. The Cal Expo board received a negative report from a consultant recently, but the developers, city of Sacramento and NBA had asked for an extension so that they could provide an amended plan. Instead of granting the extension, the Expo board denied the plan in total, and will apparently look to sell off part of their land to fund much needed fairgrounds in the future. (Chris Webber voice: "Good luck.")

The Bee's Tony Bizjak reports developer Gerry Kamilos is already working on a back-up plan to potentially sell and develop the current ARCO site and land to help fund a downtown arena. (Chris Webber voice: "Good luck.") Bizjak reports the developers have a 30-day window to submit a new plan to the city, which is working with the NBA to figure this thing out. The NBA could also seek another plan on its own.

This is but the latest setback in a string of setbacks for the prospect of building a new Kings arena in Sacramento. Every setback, though, begets another idea, and even Kenny Thomas can tell you it's impossible to miss every single time you make a shot. One is bound to go in, even if by dumb luck.

(Right?)

UPDATE: The Maloofs have released a brief statement about the vote:

We must continue to work hard to find a solution. We look forward to hearing what are the next steps and options. Right now we are focused on our exciting upcoming season.

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by 49er16 on Sep 24, 2010 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

And you're surprised Cal Expo turned this down? Really?

They lack imagination. How so? Read: Believing horse racing makes Cal Expo enough money to offset the current arena plan. It seems like the Cal Expo board is insistent on making this work for the state of California forgetting that most of California doesn’t go to Cal Expo in the first place.

This board isn’t very forward thinking at the moment.

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by pookeyguru on Sep 25, 2010 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

/sigh

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by caseycheesecake on Sep 24, 2010 2:42 PM PDT reply actions  

The place is a dump

I have not attended anything there is a couple of years. Just not worth it.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Sep 24, 2010 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

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by 49er16 on Sep 24, 2010 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

goodbye Arco

hello Thunder Valley Arena

by Madzillagd on Sep 24, 2010 2:46 PM PDT reply actions  

That is so crazy it might actually work...

Building an arena on a Native American reservation…next to a casino…

The casino part probably wouldn’t fly with the Maloofs…

by clicc916 on Sep 27, 2010 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

You got 30 days Kamilos.....

 Hopefully they can come up with something. Kevin Johnson, Kamilos seem really determined though to get a new arena built downtown. Something will get done folks, Sacramento needs to step up especially if KJ wants Sacramento to become a destination city!

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by slamson on Sep 24, 2010 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

I will never

attend ANY Cal Expo event again. Ever! Easyriders, concerts, State Fair, you name it. Not a single $ is going their way for the rest of my lifetime. A$$HOLES!

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by Dirkula on Sep 24, 2010 2:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Yes, exactly

This is what surprises me the most about the rejection. The Cal Expo’s assertion that they can get more value for their real esate on the open market in this economy is laughable. I am not surprised that the deal fel through, but i am blown away that it is because the Expo think they can get more bang for their buck by seling land during one of the most depressed real esate markets ever.

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by 27freethrows on Sep 25, 2010 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

this whole opposition to a new arena is ridiculous

It’s like certain people got spoiled by the winning years and now don’t see them as a good investment. What happened to the days when we were just happy to have a professional sports franchise. While it may not be the main reason people are opposed to the arena, look at Seattle and how much they were hurt by the move of the sonics and they have two other teams to fall back on!!! WTF is wrong with people.!!! This may not sound very rational right now but I’m just pissed. I have faith though that something will get done even though it doesn’t seem like it right now. I’m done reading the comments in the Bee articles. Screw those people, yeah I said it…

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by longlivethekings916 on Sep 24, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

I would totally boycott Cal Expo

had I previously had any intention of ever going there in the first place.

I’ve been twice: Waterworld as a middle school kid on a class trip, and the State Fair, once, to see The Bangles on a reunion tour, because Susanna Hoff, man. Susanna Hoff.

by Tom Ziller on Sep 24, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Totally with you on Susanna Hoff back in the day

Also, I loved Waterworld, but the place was falling apart when I took my kids a few years ago. Not at all like when I was a kid.

by R-Man on Sep 25, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

A government agency, losing Millions every year, want to stay with the status quo, what a SHOCK

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2010 3:02 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Meant to add, sounds like someones trying to protect their 'gravy train', I mean jobs.

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2010 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's an oversimplification.

The rank and file could possibly have seen staff cuts, but a board membership is like an annuity, there’s almost nothing that can screw it up. Once you’re on the board, you’re on the board.

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by andy sims on Sep 24, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe it's oversimplified now

but if a private company takes over the day to day operation for the next 30 years, how long will it take the next administration to realize that they would be justified in taking the majority of the Fair Commissions budget and feed it into their own pet pork belly project?

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't follow. My understanding is that there are rules that generally prevent such things.

Especially where bread and circuses are concerned.

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by andy sims on Sep 24, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would like to see the stated conflicts of interest among board members

Also, if the companies they own or work for have any contracts to run or support the CalEXPO site. That has been my biggest question.

Are any of the board members profiting indirectly from their position on the board because they would lose that in the current proposal. Somebody else will be running the fairgrounds.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Sep 24, 2010 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gil Albiani is a realtor/broker

I could see him being interested in being involved in the sale of land for the rennovation of Cal Expo. It seems like a major conflict of interest, but I’m not sure how these things work.

by R-Man on Sep 25, 2010 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are a couple of directors into real estate

Real estate works off commission. They get a flat percentage of the overall sale. Them selling a parcel for 50+ million amounts to a huge figure. Somebody is going to get 6% of that.

$3 million… If I was crooked enough to have plans to select a broker of my choice to enrich and maybe get some kind of kick back later I think I might have a problem losing that opportunity.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Sep 25, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

The things this is really about, most likely

Is not corrupt officials. Just power-hungry ones. They don’t want to give up control of the fairgrounds and would have to do that if somebody else leased and ran it.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Sep 25, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

The directors don't own the CalExpo real estate. There's no commission for them if it's sold.

And there’s no way that one of the companies any of them is involved with would be allowed to be a broker on the deal. That’s just hogwash.

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by andy sims on Sep 25, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed, that is why I didn't say that.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Sep 26, 2010 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

You have to understand that I'm from Chicago, where payola is a way of life in politics

The truth is that the directors only receive compensation for reasonable expenses. What they do control is the budget, and the contracts that are entered into by the Expo Center. And, since 9 of the 11 directors are appointed by the govenor, we can reasonably assume that they have party affiliations. So, although there is no reason to believe there is any dishonesty involve, my political past makes me a skeptic.

If you look at the locations of the residences of the directors, and review the guidelines of the BOARD OF DIRECTOR’S POLICY AND PROCEDURE MANUAL, you can see where they have no requirement to consider the wellfare of the City or County of Sacramento. There duties to the Expo center are strickly outlined. So, they have no responsibility to consider the property tax revenue and job implications of NOT helping the city advance with their plans for the downtown redevelopment.

And, this is where the problems of politics rears it’s ugly head. Even tho the deal would increase the property tax revenue for the city and benefit the people of Sacramento with more jobs and a revitalized downtown, it’s not part of the mandate assigned to the Expo Directors. The term ’It’s not may job’ comes to mind.

Since the Directors can’t be replaced for doing there duty, (I believe it’s a 4 year appointment) it would be up to the Legislature to redefine their priorities, and I can’t see that happening either. So for now, they can sit in their offices like Boss Hawgs and use their power to their advantage.

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by HighTops on Sep 24, 2010 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Fat bureaucrats

That want to keep thier petty power and keep feeding off the taxpayer till

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
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by lietothegirls on Sep 24, 2010 3:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I'd go with jackass.

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by MustangMBS on Sep 24, 2010 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree, Slamson. I agree.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 24, 2010 3:20 PM PDT reply actions  

Thank You : )

Nice pic…

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by slamson on Sep 24, 2010 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the plan was doomed to failure from the beginning for one reason.

Cal Expo’s thinking “Why is Kamilos paying us so much now to get his hands on our land? What does he see in it? He probably is going to turn the land around and sell it for billions. Well, we’ll show him. We’ll keep on to our land and sell it for billions ourselves! Who’s the idiot now?”

This.

by elfboy_ on Sep 24, 2010 3:21 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

we'll learn them damn city boy's.

Show’em how real estate is supposed to be done.

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Sep 24, 2010 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I understand this turn of events is heartbreaking but,

In the long run having to deal with these guys would have been a frequent headache. What comes next I don’t know, but I am confident it gets done. If nothing else because the economy sucks everywhere not just sactown.

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Sep 24, 2010 3:22 PM PDT reply actions  

So, a 1% Sales Tax would've gotten it done, but it had to go to the voters and it was voted down.

Then, this land swap would’ve worked out even better, but it had to be voted on by the Cal Expo Board, and it’s voted down. The issue here seems to be that we keep letting people vote on these things. Here’s the new plan: Mayor Johnson convinces Governor Schwarzenegger to declare a State of Emergency in Sacramento, due to the idiocy outbreak that’s crippling progress in the city. This gives the mayor the power to address the idiocy problem without having to go through the normal bureaucratic channels. Wham. Bam. The Kings open the 2014 season downtown in beautiful new Schwarzenegger Arena.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 24, 2010 3:33 PM PDT reply actions  

To be fair, you'd need to make it statewide. No...

Nationwide.

Worldwide.

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by andy sims on Sep 24, 2010 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dont know why I even read the comments on SacBee

I honestly should have never even read the comments on SacBee.com. I honestly do not understand why some people are so against this. Do they want Sacramento to be like Lodi, Stockton, etc? While I enjoy the city of Sacramento, if they lose the Kings there will be even less stuff to do in Sacramento.
 I lived in Reno for the last 6 years and enjoyed all the major events the city brought in. These events bring in millions upon millions of dollars for the city. I know Street Vibrations, which is currently going on, will bring in an estimated 33.1 million dollars. From what I have seen with Sacramento there is not as many events, and because of these they have to take advantage of everything they can do to bring money into the city. With a new arena and new business, I am willing to bet that the city would bring in millions and millions of dollars. Now if we lose the Kings, where is Sacramento going to bring in money?

by chriswebb86 on Sep 24, 2010 3:33 PM PDT reply actions  

you don't understand

If they build the downtown Arena that’s money would have gone to fix the schools, pay the cops, firemen and teachers’ unions, reverse furloughs, pave the streets, feed the homeless, heal the sick and generally make life better for the future. Why can’t you see that?

by betweentheeyes on Sep 24, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I'm just thankful that they won't be raising our taxes now that this wasteful boondoggle has been rejected.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 24, 2010 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope your real name is "Rod"

or your username is kind of creepy.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 24, 2010 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I hope you were being sarcastic....

because a new downtown arena is an investment in our future. Every person that would go to that arena would be bringing more money to the entire area, let me emphasis that THE ENTIRE AREA. Thats money that can be put toward paying cops, firemen, teachers, building roads, building schools.

Having a professional sports team has its perks too. That big ’ol arena does more than host basketball games. That means no more concerts, monster trucks and the like.

Sometimes I wonder how people can’t see that by now.

by westcoastoffense on Sep 24, 2010 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

hmmm, I hadn't thought of that

Thanks. That helps.

But my statement stands. You must be one of those selfish sports fans. Who cares about the Kings anyhow? They don’t even win.

What about the children?

by betweentheeyes on Sep 24, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wont someone please think of the children!?

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Sep 24, 2010 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

/sigh

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by 49er16 on Sep 24, 2010 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Talk about dysfunctional

Expo’s going down the crapper and the owners don’t want to give the site up. You would think it would make more business sense to build expo’s facilities in Natomas and use Arco’s facilities, but the owners are very, very stubborn.

by CloudyEyes on Sep 24, 2010 5:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Get facts straight

You have to pay attention to the story from start to finish. Right from the start it was reported by the Bee that Cal Expo is 100% self supporting and that their deficit for this year would come ouf of there own coffers and not the general fund and that legally no money from the general fund can go to Cal Expo. That is why Cal Expo got involved initially, because there is no money coming from taxpayers to fix up the facility.

What are they supposed to do? Somebody paid those consultants a lot of money for a feasability study and they came back the recommendation that “it wasn’t feasable”.

I’m a huge King’s fan but to think the City, State,NBA and two developers were ever going to make this work defies logic. I’m glad this is over so no more time needs to be wasted on something that wasn’t going to work in the first place. Now let’s move on to plan 44 or whichever one we are on now but hopefully something a little more realistic will be initiated.

by EJ08 on Sep 24, 2010 6:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Bulls Eye - HT for the win!

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by MustangMBS on Sep 24, 2010 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Last post may have sounded to negative

My last post may have sounded more negative than intended. LIke I said I am a huge Kings fan. Season ticket holder for 23 years. I would vote for a tax payer funded arena in a heartbeat because I think a quality big time arena would be great for our city or any city. I’d love to see some of my hard earned tax money going toward something I can get some use out of for a change instead of what it gets wasted on now.

I just want to see something presented that is realistic and actually has a chance of materializing.

by EJ08 on Sep 24, 2010 6:27 PM PDT reply actions  

This plan was very realistic until a small handful of people decided they didn't like it.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 24, 2010 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good call.

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by AnotherStupidSN on Sep 27, 2010 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Damn Ziller always stealing my thunder..At least i know i beat you by 3 minutes!

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by Widowwolf on Sep 24, 2010 8:56 PM PDT reply actions  

There's no doubt

I don’t feel bad about this whole thing anyway because I feel that Kamilos will find another way to build the arena without Cal Expo being involved. Seeing that Sacramento isn’t built very well to begin with, this land swap would have made some things right as in putting a state of the art arena downtown and and moving the fair to a more spacious area rather than where it’s couped up in now. With a much more improved team coming in this season and the beyond we’ll be ready to rock the lights out in our new house!!!

by c-rich on Sep 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

There's no doubt

I don’t feel bad about this whole thing anyway because I feel that Kamilos will find another way to build the arena without Cal Expo being involved. Seeing that Sacramento isn’t built very well to begin with, this land swap would have made some things right as in putting a state of the art arena downtown and and moving the fair to a more spacious area rather than where it’s couped up in now. With a much more improved team coming in this season and the beyond we’ll be ready to rock the lights out in our new house!!!

by c-rich on Sep 24, 2010 9:21 PM PDT reply actions  

IF the Kings move,

I’m moving with them, I swear.

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by caseycheesecake on Sep 25, 2010 1:57 AM PDT reply actions  

I dont get it

I know a lot of people in Sacramento don’t want the Kings to get a new facility. Don’t know if it’s just that they hate sports, or wanna be difficult, but whatever.

by Dub_TC on Sep 25, 2010 8:35 AM PDT reply actions  

power trip , screw cal-expo!

by Beer_man on Sep 25, 2010 8:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Going to Cal Expo is like going to a giant Walmart, I have to take a shower when I get home and de-lice.

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by kromeace on Sep 25, 2010 9:16 AM PDT reply actions  

Similarities and differences

Both pay minimum wage with no benefits, but at least at Walmart you get what you pay for.

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by section214 on Sep 25, 2010 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Kings end up moving to Anaheim

We’ll have to watch those stupid Warriors. :(

by jumpboi on Sep 25, 2010 10:50 AM PDT reply actions  

First to jump on the "green" machine -

Reke’d.

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by section214 on Sep 25, 2010 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm voting
dirty lying liar scumbag

Umm... I thought we were officially referring to Voison as the Chick Replacing Amick at the Paper? or CRAP, for short.

by sac_faithful on Sep 25, 2010 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

note to self

don’t piss off ASSN. rec’d (or else!)

by betweentheeyes on Sep 25, 2010 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It's just the right size.

And it works great. What are we talking about again?

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by andy sims on Sep 25, 2010 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just wish more NBA fans were like you..Rec’d for great comment

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by Widowwolf on Sep 25, 2010 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks man.....

Honestly if it weren’t for pure boredom and my love of college B-ball and watching ex-Huskies (hence why I started watching and paying attention to you guys) I would’ve stopped watching the pros a long time ago. Most NBA “fans” are probably wearing Lebron James Heat jerseys or betting which year Kobe gets his second ring on his thumb.

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by Seatown_Sport_Head321 on Sep 25, 2010 12:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

No doubt..Well said again

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by Widowwolf on Sep 25, 2010 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking as a critic of the Convergence plan...

…I must share in some agreement with ASSN’s post above. Anyone who thinks that the current visibility of Cal Expo from the freeway is better in comparison to the Arco Park complex is either a) blind; b) a moron; or c) a Los Angeleno.

With that said, the 7-2 vote of the Cal Expo board is a bit of a message to the folks behind the Convergence, that being (I believe) that they felt like they were being taken along for a ride in this whole circus, and I believe they felt that their views and their priorities in this whole situation were, at best, a tertiary concern (behind those of the Maloofs and the Kamilos group).

The Board could have delayed, or waited the extra 30 days to see what Kamilos came up with, but instead basically said “logic be damned, GTFO.”

And so, the Convergence is pretty much deader than dogshit, but not in a manner that will satisfy anyone, because I believe the Convergence has not gotten its full hearing by the Cal Expo board.

Folks, if the Kings are to remain in town, in all likelihood the only way for that to happen is either with a) Arco 3.0 on the baseball stadium site, or b) Arco 2.1 on the existing building footprint with the team playing for one season down in Stockton while the rebuild happens.

That also means that the Maloofs are probably going to have to shoulder a much larger chunk of the payment for that to happen.

Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.

by SierraSpartan on Sep 25, 2010 4:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Some here are missing the obvious

This is simple. There was over a million dollars spent on study that recommended to the Cal Expo board not to pursue the convergence plan. Case closed. That’s it. Their board is NOT going to go against that. Use some common sense peeps.
If the Kamilos group didn’t put the best offer on the table to be studied, shame on them. They blew it.

I spent 5 hours of my life reading the Cal Expo report. Their #‘s weren’t even close to what the Kamilos group put out. NOT EVEN CLOSE. IT WAS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN FOLKS, so let’s get busy and get something going that has a chance at working.

by EJ08 on Sep 25, 2010 5:07 PM PDT reply actions  

But did you read the Kamilos revised proposal?

He completely revamped his original proposal and the consultant did not review that plan that I know of or have heard.

Also, if it is true that this study cost a millions dollars that blows me away. No wonder these morons are losing 15 million a year. How many other phat contracts have they handed out? I think the question needs to be asked.

I think the legislature needs to get involved and sell Cal Expo to Kamilos. The Governor wanted to sell off the property. Let that Board of Directors think about losing those cushy jobs completely. See how fast the idiots come around.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Sep 25, 2010 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kamilos group blew it when

they didn’t factor in bribe money into their proposal.

Graft. It doesn’t just mean hard work.

This.

by elfboy_ on Sep 25, 2010 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well

at least we still have the River Cats and Moutain Lions… There’s some top notch sports entertainment right there.

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by NoCal-SteelCity on Sep 27, 2010 10:48 AM PDT reply actions  

Margaritas in the Solon Club wooooooo!

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by joe579 on Sep 28, 2010 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

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