Celtics Knock Out Kings in Third, Win 119-95
That the Sacramento Kings struggled to keep the Boston Celtics from lighting up the scoreboard is little surprise; the Celtics, while erratic at times on offense, have two brilliant scorers in Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, and the most dedicated set-up man in the league in Rajon Rondo. (I'd consider Steve Nash to be Rondo's equal in loyalty to the pass, but Nash, unfortunately, has no one but Jared Dudley left to pass the ball to.) When Boston's offense falters, it's because they refuse to fast break, or fast break to recklessly and turnover the ball. Against the Kings, there was no need to worry about either of those items.
Because you can break on the Kings, thanks to Sacramento's penchant for bad passes and worse shots. And you're not often going to fail to convert a fast break against the Kings, thanks to Sacramento's repeated inability to consistently rotate back in transition. Ergo, Boston would have no problem scoring, and had no problem scoring. The Celtics shot 52 percent from the floor and hit 12-20 on three-pointers on their way to 119 points.
The Kings actually shot well on two-pointers; Carl Landry has been tough lately, really filling up the peach basket on shots in the paint. He had 17 points, a team-high, in just 22 minutes. Foul trouble limited his floor time, unfortunately; still, this is the Landry that Houston had the benefit of using. DeMarcus Cousins was again ineffective, just 3-9 with five turnovers; he hasn't had the best road trip. Perhaps the light and fluffy Knicks on Friday will help him swing back into success.
Sacramento committed 23 turnovers. Five each for Cousins and, inexplicably, Jermaine Taylor. Pooh Jeter wasn't perfect, but with four assists and one miscue he bumped his January ratio to 35 assists and seven turnovers.
The Kings are now 2-13 on the road, and have lost 12 straight away from ARCO Arena. Opponents shoot 46 percent against the Kings at ARCO and 50 percent against Sacramento when the Kings are on the road. That's not a unique problem -- every team seems to play better on offense and defense at home than on the road -- but it's weird.
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Black Knight = automatic rec
Classic!
BLACK NIGHT: Just a flesh wound.
and
BLACK KNIGHT: Come here!
ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me?
Dunking Dutchman - betting that Omri will have at least 12 games with 85% TS% this season.
Rec'd
I never noticed that the Black Knight and Pooh Jeter are roughly the same height, albeit the Black Knight being measured without shoes.
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by section214 on Jan 13, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So Pooh started last night?
It was only last Sunday that JJ wrote at Cowbell Kingdom:
Coach Paul Westphal has tightened his rotation dramatically over the last five games. While many people will ask why Jermaine Taylor and not Pooh Jeter or Omri Casspi, this is on par with the philosophy that Westphal has continued to preach all season. Coach Westphal believes that keeping continuity with the second unit is as important as keeping it with the first unit. By inserting one of his key rotational second unit players into the starting line-up, he would disturb both the first and second unit as opposed to only the first.
I am wondering if PW has philosophies. And if he does, whether he understand that the a big part of the concept of a philosophy is that you don’t toss it out of the window after a few setbacks.
And no, this is not a “Fire Paul Westfail, fire Geoff Putrid, fire the Maloofs”-post. But I’m getting tired of his incessant tinkering.
Dunking Dutchman - betting that Omri will have at least 12 games with 85% TS% this season.
fire westphal
He can not call plays.i changed the channel on t.v. could not stand to watch the train wreck.
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Jan 13, 2011 8:35 AM PST up reply actions
Mom lets you have the remote now?
Congrats!
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by ElRonToro on Jan 13, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
What incessant tinkering?
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And I mean that as to...
…what tinkering are you speaking of? I don’t remember much tinkering myself.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I tinkered this morning
right after I woke up.
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
by ElRonToro on Jan 13, 2011 9:04 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Did Tinker Bell approve of this action?
Or does she need 2/3’s approval rating from the voters to allow you to “tinkered”?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
by pookeyguru on Jan 13, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps it's my not-so-perfect English
but I meant his tinkering with line-up, players roles, identity of the team, and I’m sure I forgot something else.
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Whatever issues we have Rik...
…it’s not because we lack the ability to communicate. That says more about your ability to speak English than my ability to speak either Dutch or Hebrew, but, there it is.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
With a large enough intake of Heineken
anybody can speak Dutch.
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by RikSmits on Jan 13, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hahaha.
No offense dude, but Heineken isn’t very good. (Or if I was being honest, the Dutch equivalent of Corona.) I’m sure the Dutch have many amazing brews. I’d be shocked if they didn’t.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Yeah
But if I wrote: “with a large enough intake of Hertog Jan”, would you have a clue what I was talking about?
Heineken is indeed the fermented sludge from the Amsterdam canals.
Dunking Dutchman - betting that Omri will have at least 12 games with 85% TS% this season.
Google has a mighty reach my friend.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
More an more I'm coming to the conclusion that we need a veteran SF who can score.
Cisco and Omri are 29% from 3 pt range for the road trip.
I don’t blame Cousins for the turnovers. He gets the ball 15-20 feet away from the basket, and he’s expected to create and score. And, when he can’t, his only outlet is a player standing beyond the arc on the opposite side of the court. Boston intercepted 2 of his outlet passes, and I’m only surprised that it doesn’t happen more often. Because they show the double team coming from the middle of the lane, so DMC almost has no other choice other than go baseline or make the cross court pass.
I truely expect to hear PW discredit the claim that teams have learned how to defend Cousins, just like he said the Tyreke’s problem scoring wasn’t because teams had learned how to defend him.
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by HighTops on Jan 13, 2011 8:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Cousins turnovers are squarely on him.
It’s just the kid hasn’t fully adjusted to the NBA speed of games. But he can, and most likely will when all is said & done.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
And on a side note HT...
…I’m amazed at how little responsibility you seem to give the players for their mistakes. If players aren’t responsible for their success & failure, how will they ever get anything near a championship contender?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I have a tendency
to expect Rookies to make mistakes their first year in the league, and I’ll point squarely at Kobe’s two playoff airballs as evidence that this happens.
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by TheFifthMookie on Jan 13, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
So that isn't a coaches fault?
Damn.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
yep
it’s not all on the coach. Maybe a different coach would get more consistency out of the guys, but no matter how brilliant the play calling is, the players we have today would still make mistakes.
Looking at the King’s roster, theres:
- 3 rookies
- 3 1 year experience guys
- 3 2 year experience guys
- Carl Landy (3 years), Cisco (5 years), Beno (6 years), and Dally (8 years)
Of course these guys aren’t going to be playing like the spurs and being consistent, as most of our key players haven’t played together more than 6 months. At least these guys are playing hard almost all the time and keeping most games close for quite a bit of that time.
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by TheFifthMookie on Jan 13, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In some ways....
…it’s amazing the Kings haven’t split off and gotten worse as the season goes along. PW has really kept them together through the worst of it.
I’d love to see this team with more seasoning and a bit more experience take the court in a year. We will really reap the benefits that this team is currently going through now.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
by pookeyguru on Jan 13, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It’s just the kid hasn’t fully adjusted to the NBA speed of games.
I don’t think that’s the issue. He turned over the ball a lot at Kentucy, too. He just tries to do too much sometimes.
by unfair weather on Jan 13, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is an issue...
..but I think the speed of the NBA game also catches up to him. I don’t think these issue’s are mutually exclusive UW.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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Maybe.
Either way, Cousins has always turned over the ball a lot. In multiple systems. Reke, too.
by unfair weather on Jan 13, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
Indeed.
High Usage players always do. Magic Johnson was always ranked one of the top 5 in the NBA in Turnovers for the first 4 years in his career and was near the top of the league in turnovers throughout his career. So has Steve Nash. In fact, Nash has been in the top 10 in turnovers every season since he’s arrived in Phoenix.
It’s not how many turnovers you make but the style and manner in which you do them.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
For sure.
A player that has the ball in his hands a lot is going to turn it over more. And in both Nash’s and Magic’s case you can compound it when you look at the pace of the systems they were/are in.
But obviously, neither Reke nor Cousins are in that category. Most of their turnovers are simply the result of them needing to learn what not to do. You know… think Jason Williams early years here vs his later A/TO numbers.
I’m equally hesitant to blame our coaches or the jump to the nba, since these are guys who performed similarly at lower levels and in different systems.
Quite simply, they just still make a whole lot of mistakes. But hopefully that will change.
by unfair weather on Jan 13, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep unfair.
I understand your points and I agree with them in many ways (except the JWill comparison—that isn’t how I see Reke). Rec’d.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
For JW and Reke I wasn't really comparing their play style.
The point of comparison was just that it’s not a skills issue (Mikki Moore turning the ball over), there’s just some plays they need to learn have poor odds of success.
by unfair weather on Jan 13, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmm.....again.....
…..I think that’s not quite the issue. But okay, your point is well taken.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
What about the transition from a high school game to a college game ?
If he has had two bad years , and catches up talent wise, and builds on his NBA game , this dudes going to be a monster by jan next year .
2 cross court passes
on a straight line, 6 feet off the ground. Those passes don’t even work in HS..
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by ElRonToro on Jan 13, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He would have been much better off taking the shot there than passing.....
….and, honestly, DMC is sort of trying to take it all on his shoulders right now too. Not too many 20 years old in the NBA succeed trying to take it all on. But the one’s that do eventually get better and learn how to do so more capably.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I think your putting too much blame on the players
DMC gets the ball and the rest of the team moves to the weak side of the court to allow him to go one on one. I didn’t see him chase everyone away. that’s by design, just like when they run the 1-4 flat for Tyreke.
When the double comes you need someone to kick too. That’s the purpose of drawing the double team in the first place. So, that someone else gets an open shot. Jerry says it almost every game, ‘Two quick passes out of the double team will get you an open shot’. But, we don’t do that Tyreke gets in the air and kicks out for the corner 3 off one pass, and DMC always passes across court because there’s no one on the same side of the court that he is.
When the opposition has a player cheat into the paint and threaten the double team, his man needs to cut to the strong side either FT line extended or into the corner to give DMC the short outlet pass, but it never happens.
And, if we are going to have our center taking 15ft jumpers all the time, who’s going to rebound. We might as well, run Beno off the screen 80 possessions a game because we know he can make that shot and if he doesn’t at least we’d have someone around the basket to rebound.
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DMC gets the ball and the rest of the team moves to the weak side of the court to allow him to go one on one.
Well, again, I think there is responsibility. When in doubt I default to: It’s a player’s league. Therefore, in my view, it’s players responsibility to make the common sense play. You often bring up the 1-4 flat, but, quite honestly, that play doesn’t make sense for post players. And while I’m pretty sure Westphal knows that, I know the players have to recognize and go out and do so.
When the double comes you need someone to kick too.
I didn’t know that! Thanks for pointing it out.
That’s the purpose of drawing the double team in the first place.
I didn’t know that either!!!! Thanks for pointing that out too!!!
Jerry says it almost every game, ‘Two quick passes out of the double team will get you an open shot’.
When these players became a 66 year old legend small coach legend, a quality assistant head coach at the NBA level, along with a quality personnel man at the NBA level, than I suppose they will understand that. How many players on this roster are currently 66 years old HT? Or been coaching since they were 21 years old?
But, we don’t do that Tyreke gets in the air and kicks out for the corner 3 off one pass, and DMC always passes across court because there’s no one on the same side of the court that he is.
There are 2 problems here. One, the Kings don’t have the ideal personnel (or some of the players around them haven’t hit their strides quite yet) to complement DMC & Reke to the fullest. Second, DMC & Reke haven’t fully evolved as players themselves and that can be a very painful process. It’s clearly Paul Westphal’s fault that DeMarcus Cousins and Tyreke Evans haven’t learned how to become superstars instantaneously the moment they put Kings jersey’s on. It’s even worse when these guys are trying to make these decisions on the fly, in the heat of the moment, doing things they’ve never had to consider at the college or high school level, and doing so against the best players in the NBA to boot.
Excuse me for thinking that maybe Paul Westphal isn’t the problem here. While he may not be the solution (but I’m of the mind that he’s closer to the solution than the problem—or at least right now I’m of that opinion) that you’re hoping for, I mean, what about rebuilding are you having a hard time understanding HT? Don’t you get this is what bad rebuilding teams do?
We are going round & round here HT. You don’t like this team’s warts anymore than I do. Where we disagree that while I see what’s going on is the process of growing up and becoming a better player at the NBA level, you see it as a failure of coaching.
We ain’t gonna agree on this one. And, we’ll butt heads again. Until next time.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
And I'll add one note that I just thought of in regards to Westphal.
I think your problem is that he puts it on the players to figure out plays and make them. You prefer more structure. I understand your point, but I understand Westphal’s too. These guys need to make plays and take that responsibility and in some ways, DMC is easier to handle when he has that. He won’t always make the right play right now, but the more you put him in the fire, the better he’ll be. With that, I’ll leave 3 players stats for you to chew on (and I won’t give you the answers—I’ll let you figure them out or someone else can give you the answers):
Player A: 52.2 TS%, 49.7 eFG%, ORtg 117 DRtg 107 grabbed 6.3 boards a game (2.2 O boards) 1.8 Ast’s, 1.1 stl’s, 1.6 Blocks, 1.4 TOV 2.4 Fouls per game, scored 10.4 pts and did this all in 28 mins a game. He was 19 years old.
Player B: 57.1 TS%, eFG% 52%, ORtg 11 DRtg 104, grabbed 10 boards a game, .9 assists, .9 steals, 1.7 blocks, 2.4 Fouls per game and scored 12 pts a night in 32.6 mins a game. He was 19 years old.
Player C: 54 TS%, eFG% 50.1%, ORtg 103 DRtg 107, grabbed 3.8 boards a game, .3 assists, .2 steals, .7 blocks, 1 Turnover per game, 2.4 Fouls per game, scored 6.7 pts per night and did all this in 16 MPG.
Now, onto Mr Cousins:
47.6 TS%, eFG 43.2%, ORtg 93, DRtg 106, has grabbed 7.7 boards a game, 1.7 assists, .8 assists, .7 steals, 2.6 Turnovers, 4.2 Fouls per game, has scored 12.7 points, and did this in 26.2 MPG. DeMarcus, as we know, is 20 years old.
And one one thing: Look at the rosters of each 3 players (assuming you figure them out) when they were young players. You’ll notice, with the exception of player C, that there were more veteran established players around the first 2 players than there were with player C or DMC.
It’s not an accident that player C’s team had more youth in the rotation and suffered more. In fact, it’s pretty similar to the Kings current situation. (Although there were a lot of key difference between Player C’s team and this Kings team too.)
Player A was asked to fit in around some veteran players who could do some things, but eventually take the reigns. (I’m pretty sure that’s what happened, but you can be the judge.) Player B did have some quality veterans around him, including 2 former All-Stars, playing heavy minutes. He, too, eventually was asked to take the reigns of the team and did so. I’m not fond of player C in any way, but, he was very talented and could easily have been better if a few things happened differently for him.
Either way, have fun HT. Have a nice day mayne.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
????
Player A – Granet
Player B – Shaq
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
by kwill on Jan 13, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
I'll only reveal the 3 answers when they are all correct.
Otherwise, it defeats the point. I bring this up because you only gave 2 answers. Use basketball reference to look these guys up. I’m pretty sure every fan on this site (especially the frequent commenters) have heard of all 3 guys.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
That was off the top of my head
Baskeball reference is a great resource that takes time. I ws trying to see if I could get a hint. :) Anyways, I’ll wait till someone gets all three. It is interesting.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
I'm not giving anyone hints.
I could give you the answer, but that again, also defeats the purpose. The point is to do a little thinking without my nudge. I think people here could do it if they cared, and judging by the lack of responses, I’m assuming most haven’t read it or don’t care. (I’m guessing some of both.) So it’s going to go unanswered until someone answers correctly. :)
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Agreed.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Interesting choice for Player C
Kind of pissed because guess was damn close being that it was his teammate. Oh well.
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
er "my guess was damn close."
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2011 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
So I take it you know all 3?
Feel free to state them if you choose. Even though it was posed to HT, he may or may not answer it.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Well I didn't check the other two that were already mentiond but I am certain about Player C.
A. Garnett
B. Shaq.
C. Eddy “I Enjoy Eating Sticks of Butter as a Snack” Curry
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
and I my shot out of the dark guess was Tyson Chandler
which made it easy to find Curry
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
I can neither confirm nor deny if you're correct. :)
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Except that all 3 are not correct I should say.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
well I am asshole who likes to guess instead of looking it up
but I highly doubted Shaq because pretty sure he was 20 when he came in the league. Well, actually not sure but I am pretty sure he played 2 years at LSU. So I am stickin to Garnet at A and Curry at C. Guessing Dwight Howard on B based solely on the fact that is a shit load of rebounds.
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by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2011 6:57 PM PST up reply actions
Now you are right.
It really wasn’t that hard as the ages should have been enough to really give them away. It is indeed Kevin Garnett, Dwight Howard and Eddy Curry.
Here was the roster for KG his rookie season, Dwight Howard and Eddy Curry.
Just read my blurb up top for each guys situation. I basically spelled it out already.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
As far as Shaq...
..he was also 20 when he came into the NBA. And, he had won a Player of the Year at the NCAA level before jumping to the NBA in 1992 after 3 seasons in LSU.
I didn’t really want to add Shaquille O’Neal here in this point because I felt the NBA was different when Shaq came around.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
You two need to get a room :)
I honestly just think you guys have different points of views simply because you simply view the NBA or the game of basketball from completely different perspectives is all.
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by wallywagon11 on Jan 13, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
Your so right, not about the room, but on the different perspectives
Although, I like to get into discussions like this with Pookey. Because if he doesn’t disagree with me, how will I know that I’m right. ;) Sorry, Pook just kiddin.
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No offense taken HT.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Sorry Pook
I have to say that you are just way off base and I think you know it. You can’t seriously argue that the play sets where it looks like a sideways 1-4 flat are NOT called plays. That has been one of few consistent plays PW has called repeatedly and every game. How can you argue that isn’t the case.
Cousins, Evans, and Landry are all put in the position to run that play and it IS on the coach if that play has inherent weaknesses, it does, that other teams can learn to exploit, they have.
You can completely blame the players all you want, but they are executing that play correctly and it ain’t working. Is that on them or the coach. If he keeps calling it then I say it is on him.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
If I knew I was way off base why wouldn't I admit it and move on?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
It's easy
Why do we have players? To play the game, right? Why do we have coaches? To show players how to play the game, right? So, both the players and coach are responsible for mistakes.
I know, very simple explanation. I like simple. Not much depth, but point is true, it’s all of thier faults.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
Balanced approaches are good and I would agree to a point
There is enough blame to go around.
However with that said, when a good defensive team like the Celtics show they have a good plan to defend against the play called out the most then that assigns blame to the person, who despite that fact, keeps calling out the same play.
If a coach doesn’t revise the game plan when the above happens and keeps going with a play that is well defended against then that is all on the coach. PW’s in game responses to these sorts of situations aren’t really all that great.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
That is true, as well as
I’m sure the coach also tells the players to read a defense. So if the play that is always called by the coach is reconized by the players to be a liability in that situation, then the players have to read the defense and change the play. Also, the coach should not call that play as much. Either way, they are both liable for the mistake.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
I like you last line
I think that his in game responses are lacking because of the lack of experience of the players. I can’t imagine that’s all he has up his sleeve. Maybe it is?
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
That's one thing Aldelman was able to do well
I just think he had such experienced players which made it possible for him to “add” plays, because they were not just learning the rudementary elements of the NBA.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
by kwill on Jan 13, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
PW’s in game responses to these sorts of situations aren’t really all that great.
Neither would Phil Jackson’s. Just saying…
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I think with Phil
He has always had the best players, so it really didn’t matter. How many rings does he have? I really dislike that guy, but you can’t argue with his success. He has been in the right place at the right time for so long.
Now, Rudy Tom. is another story. He has made the best of his players and game time situations. That dude can coach.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
Look at Rick Adelman.
He’s coached teams that were good, bad mediocre and lots of in between all of those. Golden State is a wonderful example of how good a coach Rick Adelman is. Adelman wins 66 games in 2 season and then gets canned by Cohan. (A bad mistake, but then again, when in the Cohan era wasn’t there a bad mistake almost every season?)
PJ Carleismo succeed Rick Adelman and then proceeds to win 46 of 113 games. Adelman has NEVER had a season worse than the 36-56 and 30-52 records he had in GS. In fact, other than when he took over Portland as an interim for MIke Schuler, Adelman has never had a sub 500 record with any team other than those GS years. The closest he came was the first season with the Kings, his last season with the Kings, and last season in Houston.
And if people wonder why I’m so high on Rick, that’s why. It’s not like the guy isn’t well versed in what works in the NBA or anything. Would the Kings be better with Rick Adelman than Paul Westphal? Probably, then again, it’s impossible to say how Reke or DMC would respond to Rick and his style. It’s impossible to say.
Hence therein lies the problem.
Look at Lawrence Frank, Not surprisingly, his winning percentage as a coach was tied into Jason Kidd’s time in NJ. What a surprise! And as much as I like Frank (which I do like him as point in fact), I also wonder how much effect he would have on this team? It’s impossible to say. Can I say for certain that this team would be better with Lawrence Frank than Paul Westphal? Wish I could, but that’s a matter of opinion that simply comes down to your point of view on what coaches can and can’t control.
I do know that Paul Westphal is an easy target, and that patience with this team is the hard approach. That includes the coaching staff naturally.
We’ll see what happens. I just think the issue’s first and foremost are about talent and whether this team will do what’s necessary to acquire said talent. Everything else after that comes down to opinion which, naturally, will vary.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
by pookeyguru on Jan 13, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You made good points substantiated by facts
We will never know what it would have been like with Adelman here. But a good coach is a good coach, is a good coach.
The talent level needs a lift. Then we could have a better gauge of what PW is capable of, because we aint, no way, no how, getting Adelman back…sigh.
I think SF is our weakest spot, even more than PG. A veteran SF who shots the three well would open up the inside and outside. The ball would be pressured less. Beno could get more open looks (I like Beno for what he does), and when he gets those open looks he spot on.
So, I think we need at the very least 2 veteran players to help this young team. Beno would be one and a new veteran SF would be the other. Tyreke and DMC are the future, because I don’t see us keeping Dali or Landry.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
by kwill on Jan 13, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the Kings are okay at SF with Omri and I think they can afford to wait for a better SF because SF's are so easy to get.
I mean, it’s the easiest position to draft for if you want a quality player and you don’t even need a high pick to get a guy who can play that spot. Omri is a perfect example of this. Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia are decent examples of this too.
Like I said in this thread, I think shot creation and an efficient shot selection is key, and I don’t see keeping Beno as a starting G does that for this team. I’m less concerned about getting Beno shots off the bench than I am getting another G who can get his own shot and complement Tyreke.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
They aren't plays, they're entries
And I haven’t seen the 1-4 flat in awhile, I see a lot more 2-1-2 these days. I thin DeMarcus and Beno are the few guys that really look to get easy buckets off this stuff and everyone else just waits for the end game. That’s the only thing feustrating about the offense to me, the players don’t want to work hard to make their buckets easy.
by jstnblke41 on Jan 13, 2011 2:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Amen.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
We talked the other day
about the lack of outlet options in the post-up situation due to spacing. It’s crazy, any reasonably experienced team is going to KNOW that the player is forced to shoot or make a difficult pass that the defense can live with.
On the road trip the only difference is that Landry has been making most of his ISO elbow post plays and Cousins hasn’t.
Just a terrible play with no movement.
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Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Jan 13, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
I would love to see someone else, other than Tyreke, who can take the ball and get his own shot consistently and score.
That’s why I want Devin Harris more or less. When Beno is wide open and taking his time, I bet he hits 80% of his 3’s. It’s when they are contested or rushed, I think is where he is hurting in his shooting %’s.
On this road trip, Beno’s TS%’s are: 63.6% against Toronto, 85.5% against Wash and 92.6% against Boston.
That is incredible efficiency for a guy that many fans at the start of the 09-10 season considered to be Kenny Thomas 2.0. However, it all goes for naught if Beno can’t get more wide open looks consistently than he has against Western opponents.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
There is no question that Beno has been the star of this road trip with Landry close behind
everyone else – bleh!
by betweentheeyes on Jan 13, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
Which also says a lot about why this team is 0-3.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
and
alot about the W/L record this year
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by TheFifthMookie on Jan 13, 2011 10:40 AM PST up reply actions
This too.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Landry has been great
He’s been passing it out of the post when he can’t create a shot, as well as making a better effort to go inside more.
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
Call me a contrarian, but...
…I’m not really fazed by the result last night. It’s more or less what we’ve been used to seeing – 36 minutes of statistically competitive basketball, with 12 minutes that hurt to watch. The difference is, this 36-12 split comes against a much better team than what we’ve been playing against of late.
Then again, a lot of STR members expect this team to enter the playoffs at some point; I’d be stoked if that happened evenutally, but for now I benefit from my reduced expectations for the team’s future.
I think the problem a lot of fans were making was that we all saw what Oklahoma City did last season; out of desperation, perhaps, we assumed that we were at the same point on the same path this year as the Thunder was last year – or, at the very least, perhaps we were going to be further along than we were last year.
I’m a firm believer in the power of keeping a steady core together for a few years. I might be wrong in this, but my impression is that the Thunder had kept the same several rotation players together for a couple years going in to ‘09-’10. Most of our players, on the other hand, have played about 100 games together, if not significantly less.
Sure, we added a potential impact player in Cousins, but you have to knock off some points of expectation for the fact that we’re throwing him into a new system (assuming we have one to speak of). I myself was guilty of overestimating how much DMC would help us this year, but – in retrospect, admittedly – it should have been clear to all of us that most of our roster is a year or more away from being ready for the big time.
In short, the optimist in me says this team is right around where we should have expected it to be all along.
"Where hope goes to die"
by napg on Jan 13, 2011 12:31 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd napg.
Lots of good points here.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Rec;d for reading my mind.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Where's Eddie Jordan nowadays?
would love to install the princton offense with Cousins manning the high post.
We were supposed to lose this game.
Measuring our success according to what has been posted here seems to indicator something like the below.
Lowest level of success = Losing to pretty much all teams at home by some and on the road by a lot.
Some Progress = Losing to all good teams at home and on the road – winning against bad teams at home – losing against bad teams on the road
More Progress = Losing to all good teams on the road – winning against some good and most bad teams at home – winning against some bad teams on the road
More Progress past that = Probably a visit to the Playoffs
We have a ways to go before we can win these types of games so why sweat this game. We weren’t supposed to win it anyway.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Jan 13, 2011 1:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
From your yardstick, we are at the lowest level of "success"
I agree with that.
If you want to be your best, you have to do your best, otherwise you are only second rate.
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Mustang this is wisdom, rec'd
For the upper echelon I would rename the top categories – Playoff Contenders (West Coast version) Playoff Members (solidly in the playoff race – generally the 3-6 rank), Championship Contenders (generally 1-2 rank in the Conference but not necessarily).
For this season: Lakers are Championship Contenders, I think Mavs are as well (with a healthy Dirk), and I can’t count out those wonderful Spurs, ever. The Jazz and Thunder are Playoff Members and had Portland had a healthy Brandon Roy they too would be counted here. if the Nuggets stay intact (highly unlikely) they are members. The Playoff Contenders are Memphis, Houston, New Orleans, now Portland and probably Denver. That is why the West is so hard: 3 Champ contenders, 2 (3) solid members, then (4) 5 teams fighting for the other 3 spots. (I no longer count Phoenix which would be 11 teams for 8 spots, that is some tough competitive stuff).
Other aside: look at the SouthWest division: all are, at the last, in the playoff hunt at the least.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 13, 2011 10:12 PM PST up reply actions

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