Marc Stein: Casspi and Landry Trade Possibilities
Stein Line HQ favorite Omri Casspi is also the subject of trade calls Sacramento is fielding, sources close to the situation say.
The major difference, of course, is that Cousins has been deemed an untouchable by the Kings while Casspi – depending on the quality of the offers – is a legit candidate to be moved before the Feb. 24 trading deadline.
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He also goes onto say that the Kings want to attach Cisco to a Casspi deal.
But as the season goes on, I’m becoming more against trading Cisco.
His contract really isn’t all that bad for what he does on the floor too begin with, and it seems like he’s the only veteran presence that Cousins and Evans respond to.
And Casspi would be perfect for that Bulls team, but who would they give back in return?
CBA infused trade
Casspi for Deng. Chicago clearly gives up the better current player, but Deng is due $40 million over the next 3 years (after this year). With a base payroll already at $64.5 million for next year, this would be Chicago’s way of dealing with the potential new CBA. The Kings overpay slightly for Deng for the next 3 years, but they solve their hole at the 3, and still have ample money left over for another big acquisition.
Add Garcia and next year’s 2nd round pick (likely 31st overall) if you could get the Bulls to bite on it.
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Or with the Knicks,
straight up for Wilson Chandler. Chandler is an RFA next year and will very likely make $5-7 million more than Casspi next year, as well as the following year. The Knicks don’t waste their cap space on extending Chandler, instead bringing the kid from Israel to New York City. The Kings pay our for Chandler but get a marked improvement over what they currently have at the 3. Again, throw in the 31st pick if you have to.
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I like this possibility...
Casspi would thrive in D’Antoni system and would be a marketing dream in NY. However, I think Chandler’s play might be valued a little to high because of D’Antoni. I don’t even think you need to throw in the 2nd rounder. Do the deal straight up, Kings can eat the salary difference.
Defense
Who is the better defender between Chandler or Deng since their offensive numbers are similar? The Knicks trading Chandler seems highly unlikely since they are 19-14 and Chandler is averaging 19 ppg and shooting 52% in the month of December. Casspi would be a downgrade for the Knicks although his potential may be better. I love Casspi but would take Chandler in a heartbeat. Not a big fan of Deng since he has a poor FT% this season (70%).
Off reputation I'd say Deng.
But that’s just an opinion not based off observing both for enough time.
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Echoing pookey
Deng has the better rep, as he has played for/with a team that has made defensive efforts over a sustained period of time. Chandler has played under D’Antoni, where defense has never been the primary concern.
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I also think Deng's value is defensive in conjunction with hitting the 3.
I think Chandler’s value is more offensive or being a jack of all trades guy on a team that heavily values offense. Or something like that.
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One thing I don't like about Deng
is how long he can go before getting injured again. The types of injuries he had are not the freak ones we were used to with K-Mart, but more serious recurring issues.
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I think Carl Landry Jason Thompson and Donte Greene are all excellent candidates to be moved.
I don’t think Greene has any real value, and at least Landry and JT can help teams right now. (It’s a stretch to say that with Greene.) Plus you can always protect a future 1st in 2012 barring another catastrophe for a team too.
This team so badly needs a veteran right now it ain’t funny. I would love to see something like Chauncey Billups, Arron Affalo and Al Harrington for Jason Thompson, Carl Landry and Francisco Garcia.
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That might leave us a little weak at the PF but I'd still do that trade...I think
Chauncey would be good for this team but I’m not particularly eager to see Garcia or JT go.
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
I'm eager to improve this team.
That includes letting JT & Cisco go.
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His contract is only partially guaranteed for next season...
…and that’s really all I care about. This year and next year. I’ll worry about 2012 and beyond if the world is still around.
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Hate to see Casspi leave
He’s probably our third most important player long term right now. Granted that isn’t saying terribly much probably but I like his competitiveness and he’s shown he has talent.
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
Me too.
I’d be horribly disappointed if we traded him, but at the same time, if their coach can help him improve his defense more than our staff is capable of…I can see the upside.
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The Bulls, in particular, like Casspi not only for his ability to shoot but also his experience in pressure situations after playing at the highest levels of the Euroleague with Maccabi Tel-Aviv as well as his defensive potential, believing that the energetic swingman would develop nicely on D under the guidance of Bulls head coach Tom Thibodeau.
How true is this? Is the Bulls’ coach that good at developing young players?
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he has done well with athletic freaks and Pierce (who, strangly, is far from an athletic freak)
I predict JT will never breathe through his nose.
This may be true but...
I just don’t see what Chicago has and the Kings would want for Casspi. As much as I love Scalabrine…
by M_Shady on Jan 2, 2011 4:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
That part about K-Mart really makes us look like idiots.
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Not if you aren't one of the people that didn't have a hard-on to get rid of him.
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by andy sims on Jan 2, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
man, I have man-love for Casspi
I wanted to adopt, but all the good looking babies were taken
by joeytothelimit on Jan 2, 2011 4:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Id forgotten about carls
Fourth quarter dominance last season….man that guy has dropped off big time from last season.
by Smills91 on Jan 2, 2011 4:28 PM PST via mobile reply actions
What about Orlando?
How about Landry/Garcia for Reddick? The Magic need another big and Garcia would cushion the Reddick loss. What I know is that we really need to get something of value for Landry. No matter how much you like or don’t like Martin, it’d be a waste to end up with just cap space for him.
by M_Shady on Jan 2, 2011 4:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
you know what's funny? (well not really)
Like a week or 2 before Martin was traded one of the “writers” for hoopsworld had wrote the Kings are most likely going to deal Martin for capspace. So on the comments I called him a moron & said why on earth would the Kings trade Martin for capspace? He then replied how financially strapped the Maloofs were & they will dump him.
Turns out I was the moron.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jan 2, 2011 7:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Which writer was it?
Not all hoopsworld is garbage, the bulk is, but they do have a gem in the rough every so often.
I always flip flop on Casspi
Right now I’m all for keeping him. Casspi has certain things you just can’t teach. Besides his energy & intensity he has a desire to be great. He wants to be one of our big 3 & he wants to win. Not just games but championships. As much as we’d love to think all athletes getting paid millions are like this it’s simply not true.
Simply put he has the tools to be a great player & I believe he will be because he also has the desire. I don’t think he’ll settle on being a bench player or a role player.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jan 2, 2011 7:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Being a great role player is valuable.
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That's true
and I’m not so sure Casspi is opposed to it. He is ambitious, but not delusional. He know he’ll never be a superstar, but he thinks that he can be a good 2nd or 3rd option on a solid NBA team. And I do too. He just wants to play and contribute to wins, either as a starter or a Ginobili-type sixth man. And that is where I think he has the most chance to be successful.
The last few games have shown that Omri can be a decent defender, and that he isn’t afraid to take a shot in crunch time. Granted, he is streaky, but that is something that can improve over time. What makes hims so valuable IMO is that he often finds ways to contribute with energy, rebounding, steals, passing and/or hustle when his shot isn’t on.
The problem is that to get value in trades, you have to give away value. But I think that trading away Casspi may be a move the Kings will live to regret, unless they get some great value back.
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He know he’ll never be a superstar, but he thinks that he can be a good 2nd or 3rd option on a solid NBA team.
See I don’t know that this is the case Rik. I appreciate that you think the better of him, and when he shows that consistently I’ll be extremely thrilled to simply agree with you. I also agree that the Kings don’t have a great interest in trading Omri, and when I read it (as mentioned somewhere else by someone) I thought it was probably another team making the inquiry more than the Kings wanting to give Omri up.
In alot of ways, Omri is the perfect complement to Reke & DMC.
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Of all our young pieces outside of DMC/Tyreke
Omri is the one I’d be least willing to give up.
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I agree
He is our core for the future (Casspi, DMC, Reke). I don’t think the Kings would trade him. Casspi is the best 3 point shooter we have.
I wrote this well over a month ago...
…and I can’t see how it’s changed one iota since.
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Good article and I think the core 3 are untouchable.
Although the Kings drafting a SF with the 2011 pick is a stretch. We will go after a pure SG or a true PG….lol
I don't think we can afford to get rid of Cisco
unless a player with equal or better leadership comes back. JR expressed some very thinly veiled criticism of PW last night night and talked about as soon as Cisco saw more playing time – the team got better. He’s the glue right now, the vet they all respect right now, we can’t aford to lose that, the kids need him.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 3, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Didn't Casspi himself mention or allude to
in that translated interview that the Kings view him as piece #3 after Tyreke and DMC in their rebuilding efforts?
Si.
Which makes me think that someone high up [Petrie, PW, Maloofs?] told him so, perhaps in the player meetings at the end of last season?
“Personally, I think I’m one of the three players that Sacramento is planning to build her future around. I work to justify the hopes they have for me.”
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~Carl Sandburg
with the next draft it will be 4
players to build around. Time to rise….
by betweentheeyes on Jan 3, 2011 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Pookey, you made a few comments
in the past indicating that Casspi in your opinion is feeling that he is a star (and should be treated liek one). Correct me if I’m wrong.
Now I cannot prove that he doesn’t think that, and I assume you can’t prove the opposite. But I am curious what makes you feel that way.
Dunking Dutchman
You're wrong.
I always said I thought Casspi’s highest end possibility was a Shane Battier like player. (A role player star.) Not a star in the Reke/DMC mold.
Now as far as why I think Casspi thinks that, he’s human. It doesn’t take a great logical leap to assume that he might not feel that way. He might feel that way at times, but a lot of players ego’s are difficult to satisfy. Shawn Marion is a classic example. Is Casspi Marion? No, it’s just an illustration of the point I’m trying to make; it’s a problem with NBA players and Casspi is one.
It’s always going to be an issue because I think as the Kings get more successful, the Israeli angle will always factor in here. It’s the same reason that Nocioni gets asked the same questions in Argentina or Rudy Fernandez in Spain for that matter, and unless Casspi makes peace with that and resolves to deal with it, this issue will always be there. It’s simply a problem any way you slice it. And, it’s not necessarily because of Casspi being an Israeli but more of a NBA player; this is what happens with a lot of high end teams with players who are very visible and have fans that aren’t necessarily rational about that players standing. At some point, it would be completely ridiculous to say that wouldn’t have it’s effect on Omri.
That said, it’s only an issue if it’s really an issue. Most NBA issues come down to shots and playing time, and the rest is semantics.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 3, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we misunderstand each other
I didn’t say you thought he is a star, but that you thought he believes himself to be a star.
I actually like the Battier comparison, although he’ll likely be better on offense, less good on D then Battier.
Thanks for the explanation. I don’t see it that way, but the future will tell if it will become an issue.
Dunking Dutchman
Oh yes Rik I did mis understand you. My bad.
I do think that he does think of himself a star, but it’s not an Israeli thing as much a function of his spot on the National Team over there and what not. Rudy Fernandez thinks something similar himself. Is it really a stretch to say that a young talented player like Omri that was an up & comer in the EuroLeague, and now the NBA, actually doesn’t think of himself as a star?
It’s a problem, and it’s a good problem. But it’s a problem nonetheless.
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At Maccabi
Omri came off the bench mostly, and didn’t always get many minutes, if I remember correctly.
At the national team, he often played very well within the system, and knew when to defer to Haperin, their most experienced player, and Eliyahu when he was hot. I think he also understands the gap in quality between Israel and Spain.
I just don’t see it.
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I understand that you don't see it.
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Why are we even listening to offers for Casspi again
He’s as close as automatic from downtown as we have on this team. This team needs SHOOTERS. He’s our ONLY consistent deep threat. You keep him until you get/create shooters elsewhere.
by Smills9133 on Jan 2, 2011 8:37 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think Garcia is too good a shooter to let go too.
Plus, he brings energy and a great team spirit. He is also the longest tenured King and brings some veteran leadership. But I agree, we can’t let Casspi go either. We need his shooting and attitude.
by fryingpan136 on Jan 2, 2011 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
well we've got to get rid of somebody.. and i think our best bets here are beno, cisco, donte
and the expiring contracts of landry & dalembert
I'd say Landry, JT, Beno, and Donte
I’d prefer to keep Omri, due to his shooting and defensive potential. Cisco’s the veteran presence we need. He commands respect from everybody but and has no problem being a mentor to the youngsters, even if he’s not getting his minutes. He’s not just a role player, he’s a role model as well. The Kings need him around.
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I still think JT is probably a keeper as well
If Landry and Sammy go – we need him. That’s assuming we’d be making a move for a PG.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 3, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Absolutely
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Yeah, not an absolute keeper
as we can definitley upgrade over him. But I think before all is said and done, he’ll be a very good man defender who can hit the 17 footer pretty regularly and board well. There’s always value to that in a NBA rotation, especially with his size and length.
I believe if your going to keep Omri, you need to replace Beno with Cisco
I’m all for having a veteran presence, but I think it needs to be among the starters. And, Casspi should be the starting SF next season. And, Beno’s only real weakness could be hidden if the Kings played better team defense, so I still like him as the 3rd guard off the bench at either the 1 or 2 spot.
Of course that means that we pick up a veteran PG to run the offense. I don’t see Landry resigning with the Kings and there’s only an outside chance that the KIngs try to resign Dalembert, so if JT is moved we need to pick up a starting PF who could also provide some veteran presence.
Based on who might be available, I wouldn’t mind seeing the Kings going after Wallace to start at PF and Miller to start at PG along with Tyreke, Casspi and Cousins. With Beno, JT, Donte and our #1 picks making up our 9 man rotation. Whiteside could see some light minutes and I think we need a defensive SG who can hit an open long ball.
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The article didn't make it sounds like they are desperate to trade Casspi, just open
I love Omri, but if we can trade him in a package for a better player, he’s not untouchable.
Donte/Landry/and JT should be talking to their Remax agents
Donte is the league’s highest paid cheerleader. Landry is gone for the obvious reason because he will not resign with us. JT, I love the guy’s effort and rebounding, but he has very little offensive game. I just keep thinking if we had a real power forward next to DMC/Evans/Beno with Cisco and Omri how much better we could be.
by noreboundsnorings on Jan 3, 2011 10:32 AM PST reply actions
might be able to pry out patrick patterson from houston?
don’t know of any other pfs that we’d be able to get through trade
No thanks.
We’ve got Patrick Patterson Sr already, and by all accounts he’s on the trading block. I’m not sure what Patterson really does for us at this point of time.
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Donté makes incredibly little on an NBA scale
Donte is the league’s highest paid cheerleader.
That would have to be Eddy Curry, who has been paid almost $30 million over the last three seasons to not play.
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No kidding
add in Peja and a few others.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 3, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
With Carl and Sammy gone, I think Donte still has value at both the 3 & 4.
Granted his numbers have never been great, but he has the height and athleticism to be a good rebounder and shot blocker. I believe the restrictions placed on him by PW have limited his value, because he’s trying so hard at sticking with his man to be the defensive stopper that PW is asking him to be. As a stretch PF or once he understands when he can cheat off his man, I think can be a good rebounder and weakside shot blocker similar to Kirilenko. He’s going to have to improve his outside shot, but he was a 38% shooter from 3-pt range last season. So, with some more practice and confidence he should get better.
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Not that I really care because I think the idea of Power Rankings is a silly exercise (but one that does draw readers)...
…..but Marc Stein just put the Kings at 27 after they won 2 games this week.
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We're moving up! Can we please change the fail meter?
Because personally, I don’t feel don’t feel like we’re failing, and I’m sure I’m not alone.
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It's just the beginning of a process.
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Understood
but agree with PL, that maybe an accident that just maims a few people instead of potentially leading to death would be a better representation at this point.
No no I agree with that Spts.
I was just making a point that we’re at the beginning of an overall process in terms of the NBA cycle.
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