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Carl Landry Questions Paul Westphal, Makes Total Sense

Paul Westphal, reeling from an awful season, woke up to something that's going to ruin his day. Take it away, Bee columnist Ailene Voisin:

Then, as he often does during conversations, [Carl] Landry revisits his two-plus seasons with the Rockets and lavishly praises Rick Adelman's offensive system.

"We ran and everybody shared the ball," he said, "and when we didn't have anything on the break, we'd run pick and rolls. We won 22 straight games (in 2007-08) without Yao (Ming) and mostly without Tracy McGrady. We could do that here, but that's not what we do, and you have to play the system the coach (Paul Westphal) wants."

That's a cannonball, man. Right across the bow.  

Star-divide

On the surface, running, sharing and picking-and-rolling is pretty much Paul Westphal's system. On paper. But Westphal has never done anything to enforce it. While that essentially comes down to Tyreke Evans, who works primarily out of isolation, it's on Westphal to enforce the plan and reinforce his goals. Obviously, that hasn't happened. Instead of picks-and-rolls, we get isolation stutter-steps to fading jumpers. We get post clear-outs. Isolation drives to the bucket and missed lay-ups. 'Round-the-horn threes. Pull-up threes. Twenty-footers. Little consistent sharing.

It's Tyreke's fault, but it's also Westphal's fault. It's Tyreke's fault, but it's also Geoff Petrie's fault. I hope that's what Landry means when talks about the system, because Lord knows Evans has enough to work on without teammates blasting him in the paper. It reads as if Landry is taking aim at Westphal and the failed offensive system that doesn't force Evans to run the right plays. That could be due to presentation by the writer, or it could be how Landry meant it.

There's no mistaking how Landry meant this:

"The basketball IQ on this team is not very good," Landry said, "and that (knowledge) takes time. If you look at J.T. (Thompson), he's had three or four coaches in his four years, coaches that probably weren't that good. Everybody in this league can play. But it's about spacing, having the right guys on the floor, running the right play. Move the ball. Set back screens, down screens, and play together. Our shooting percentage is so low because everything is one-on-one."

Direct criticism. And not just at Eric Musselman and Reggie Theus (be still, my beating heart), but at Westphal. Direct criticism of Westphal.

It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. I'm not confident it will result in the team magically becoming better on offense, because I'm not confident that at this point Westphal can really affect change in Tyreke's game.

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Landry does not start the next game, but will start the game after that, preceded by a thunderous chest bump. Then, and only then, will Landry understand his role.

On a more serious note, I’ll be intrigued to see how this plays out. It is very difficult to see any flaws in Landry’s reasoning. Perhaps even more interesting, to me at least, is that Landry has been the role model of a good soldier up to this point. He went from a good situation to a bad one, but he’s never complained. He’s been bounced in and out of the line-up just as much as anyone, but he’s never made a fuss about it. He’s been the guy who showed up, worked hard, took his lumps early in the season, but just kept doing his job. I really, really like Landry and his professionalism. So when Landry begins questioning the system, everyone should listen.

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by Exhibit G on Jan 27, 2011 8:23 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

All I read in there is Adelman is great

So unless you think Adelman would have seriously lasted through the last 5 years without fans like yourself saying he sucks then I dunno what to tell you.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

wally

adelman is great!i said westphal sucks.

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Jan 27, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Eh, not it doesn't; however, yeah to be honest I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Landry didn't think very highly of Westphal

What I was saying though was you come off as someone who probably would be saying Adelman sucks if he stuck around here for a few more years.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Or put another way,

if Adelman had this team, it would still be no better than a 15 win team, which would still have us amongst the bottom 7 on the league (we’re #3 right now). Would everyone at that point be willing to concede that the current issue with this squad is less about the coach and more about the experience and talent on the roster?

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'll give you experience

But do you really think there is only enough talent on this team for 10 wins so far? I don’t. I’m not saying we should be battling for the 8th seed but we should be better then we are now. There seems to be no real structure on offense or a lack of enforcement on players that don’t execute it. Or any real progress even though we have been more competitive recently (we should have been slowly improving form the beginning of the season). Either way that falls on the coaching staff. Now I am of the belief that changing coaches now won’t really improve this situation. In other words I’m not a “FIRE WESTPHAL NOW!!” guy. But I do believe a better coach would get more wins out of the talent on this team.

Oh and 15 wins sounds better than 10 to me.

by StevenG on Jan 27, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, 15 wins is better than 10

But what if the cost of those 5 wins to a financially struggling franchise is an extra $5 million in coaching payroll, as it easily would be if you were talking about a coach of Adelman’s stature and tenure? Does the ends justifiy the means?

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Only if he does a better job of developing our youth.

I don’t believe that simply giving someone like Cousins more playing time and putting him in iso positions is necessarily the best way to develop his game. We knew coming into the season, that he had emotional issues. Putting him in the position to create his own shot, is only giving him more opportunity to fail, and become more frustrated.

I think it didn’t work all that well for Tyreke either, since he still tries to go 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. Neither player seems to be learning how to work within a team offense structure.

I can see were a coach that runs more back picks, down screens, and pick and rolls in their offense, would put our bigs in a better situation to succeed. Help them learn to play as a team and reduce some of this years frustrations. I think the $5M on a coach is a reasonable expense. They’re going to pay $2M for Westphal, even if there is a lockout, or if they fire him.

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by HighTops on Jan 27, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think you have to spend $5 million on a coach who actually runs an offense

I don’t see the correlation. Paul Westphal hasn’t been a very good coach this year but it isn’t because he makes “only” $2 million.

Im sure there are quite a few assistant coaches who, if Geoff Petrie and the Maloofs offered them $2 million to do so, would at least TRY to install an offensive system and some accountability.

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 2:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

One problem

You have to hire the guy and give him at least a couple of years, or he is a lame duck. And to your point, guys like Rambis and Thibodeau were not available for a couple million a year, so you’re hiring someone even less tested than them or Westphal. You don’t just need a guy that’s going to implement a system – you need a guy that has enough standing to get and keep the players’ attention.

Understand, I’m not saying that Westphal is the answer. But the coach that you’re looking for will not be found for pennies on the dollar. Give the job to Jim Eyen or Mario Elie tomorrow, but unless you’re willing to pay them in both rate and term, you will likely not get the players to buy in. Life in today’s NBA.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not so sure that todays player

Isnt more impressed with personality than reputation. Guys like lawrence frank and jeff van gundy and even a greg popovich were relative unknowns but found success because they were good coaches. Paul westphal has the pedigree you discuss and nobody seems to be buying in.

what I want is the next scott stiles without the drinking problem.

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 7:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

"personality"

In the sense of “ability to convince the players he knows wtf he’s talking about and then to prove it.”

Like e-muss, if he wasn’t an asshole, and was a better coach

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 7:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Skiles that is

I just saw teen wolf

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 7:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well, let's be fair

Pop took over for Hill, who had gone 62-20 and 59-23 before getting off to a 3-15 start, sue to David Robinson being out. Pop finished that season 17-47, the Spurs drafted Duncan, and the rest is history.

Van Gundy took over after the Knicks had run off four straight 50-60 win seasons under Riley. Nelson went 34-25 before taking his leave, and JVG mopped up, going 13-10. His first full season, his team had guys like Ewing, Houston, Larry Johnson, Oakley and Starks.

Frank took over a team that had won 52 and 49 games under Byron Scott. After going 22-20, Scott was replaced by Frank, who went 25-15. The Nets had Kidd, Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson on Frank’s best team, which won 49 games.

So while I agree that all three of these unknowns did well with the hands that they were dealt, I have severe doubts that, as newly minted NBA head coaches, they would fare significantly better with the current Kings roster.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 7:27 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Those 3 just came off the top of my head

And I think one could make a case that it would be more difficult to induce a “buy in” by players and teams that are already established than by unproven guys like the current kings. But that isn’t really the point I was making.

You say the players would “likely” not buy in to an unproven coach. Id say that’s a bit too strong a statement, and that its more accurate to say that you just don’t know. But even if you’re right, I will take that over the current coach who, it has become obvious, nobody is buying

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 8:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Clarifying

I said

unless you’re willing to pay them in both rate and term, you will likely not get the players to buy in. Life in today’s NBA.
So I didn’t say that an unproven coach wouldn’t work. What I said is that an unproven coach, paid on the cheap on a short deal, wouldn’t work. So, given that Rambis was one of the hottest of the unprovens, I wonder how happy Minnesota is with him and his four year deal?

I’m not saying that you’re wrong. But I think that it is direction that can fail just as miserably as it can succeed (see Musselman, Eric and Theus, Reggie).

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

And to be fair,

Scott Brooks would be an excellent example of an unproven coach that stepped in and succeeded. The fact that Durant and Westbrook are two of the best players in the league doesn’t hurt, but he got those guys from the outhouse to the penthouse prettty damn fast.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree

But ill take a crapshoot over crap every time

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 9:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm with you

I think our difference in opinion pertains to timing. I see no upside to making a change at this time. You can’t implement a new system in the middle of the season – there’s just no time to really get the team the schooling that they would need. The Kings may as well finish out the season with the current staff, and see what the players can do with the system that is in place. Change it out now, and I think we’ll see the sequel to the Kenny Natt Show. The team’s playing hard, so we might as well leave it alone until the off-season.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

This.

i would also like to say, Ellie’s DUI matters in this regard.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

big yup

that was a very costly non cab ride, and a lesson for all of us about drinking and driving.

by betweentheeyes on Jan 27, 2011 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

With all due respect...

…I’ve learned my lesson in this regard. The simple answer is never do it.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Precisely

Because they will have to go through a full hiring process in the offseason anyways.

by otis29 on Jan 28, 2011 5:04 AM PST up reply actions  

This is an excellent point

Are we certain it is this Coach and this system that we want our youngest players with the most potential to learn under. My biggest fears are that Tyreke takes the road of Steve Francis, Vince Carter, and such players where there own stats are a priority. In the GS game, the way he kept driving to the hoop after the game was decided without thinking of passing made me think he knew he was near a career high in points. I may be way off base, but that is what I thought. Likewise, watching DMC and his blend of skils that remind me a bit of a burly Vlade, his penchant for thinking he is already a premier scorer, and wildly driving from 18 feet away, I just dont know what that is a way I want him to learn. Obviously developing Reke, DMC, and Omri, and perhaps JT, has to be the number one priority.

by MichaelMack on Jan 27, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Would you have fired Rudy Tomjanovich in the first 2 years of Francis' career in Houston?

I wouldn’t have, or at least not for that reason. Especially not in either season. (And while those Houston teams had a better record, they also had an older roster of rotation players than the Kings do at the moment.)

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by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Landry disagrees

Sure, it is both, but Landry makes some clear points about the offensive system. I lean more on it being about coaching, but it is not only that or even coaching/the system by a huge margin.

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by MustangMBS on Jan 27, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

to use some math

if Adelmen would have won 15 games with the same team as opposed to 10 under Westphal, does that mean he is half as good a coach then :)

by Murf on Jan 27, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Using correct math

if Adelmen would have won 15 games with the same team as opposed to 10 under Westphal, does that mean he is two thirds as good a coach then :)

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

or Rick is 50% better than PW.

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

At least

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by MustangMBS on Jan 27, 2011 1:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree with you

I think this team would run smoothly with Adelman. His record is solid and this team has a lot of talent. I still hate how everyone just had to throw Adelman under the bus (just like they did Martin) over merely getting us to the first round of the playoffs.

What the team deserves are good, unselfish plays. I remember how Westphal would draw up plays that would force Tyreke into 1 on 1 situations against Kobe or LeBron, in the final seconds, last season. This is not how you run an unselfish team. Those days of Princeton offense are long gone. What’s the point of having Carril around, if his words are falling on deaf ears?

by CloudyEyes on Jan 27, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow was coming here to post the exact same thing

Great minds think alike. But then again so do terrible minds I’m assuming.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 27, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Never forget...

Exhibit G is a complete idiot

Sorry…

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by vfettke on Jan 27, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

vfettke's right

You’re screwed. Sorry.

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by Exhibit G on Jan 27, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha, I see what you did there

And I’m enough of an Exhibit G, I’m going to Rec you for insulting us :)

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 27, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

quote

I believe it is “Great Minds think alike, small minds seldom differ”

by Murf on Jan 27, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

It's 'fools seldom differ'

but yessum

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a riddle in irony

a thought game meant to provoke critical thinking – or just screw with your head.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I love Carl

but I HATE it when players feel like they need to vent to the media. I mean, your only here for another half a season (if you don’t get traded). And its not like you’re Steve Nash yourself, even when you were in Houston, never having averaged 1 assist over a year. It’s been bad, and most of the things he said were true, but there is no need to blast people like that.

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by Ellimist on Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM PST reply actions  

I'm torn on Tyreke right now.

 I know he’s our best player and he should be taking his shots. But too much this year I’ve seen him become Allen Iverson and pound the ball then jack-up a fall away jumper. Or get an “Iverson” assist by pounding the ball, driving with 7 seconds left on the clock, then passing the ball at the very last tenth of a second because he can’t get his shot off.

I fear the pressure of the “Blueprint” might be affecting his play. It just seems like he’s “trying to get his” sometimes. There is NO question the talent around has improved. But he either doesn’t want or doesn’t know how to take advantage of it. Better teammates should make the game easier for him. That may go back to the coaching though. Or maybe he just feels a lot of pressure to improve on last year.

As you can tell by my rambling…I have no clue.

by StevenG on Jan 27, 2011 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

I wonder
because I’m not confident that at this point Westphal can really affect change in Tyreke’s game.

with “at this point”, do you mean that PW should have done it sooner and now it is too late, or that PW will have to wait for the off-season until he can change Tyreke’s (and the team’s) game?

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by RikSmits on Jan 27, 2011 8:27 AM PST reply actions  

Or

Will it take a new coach altogether to rein him in?

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by Exhibit G on Jan 27, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

I’m not sure anyone can change Reke’s game to fit the type of talent that needs help having shots created for them. Westphal certainly hasn’t shown an inclination or ability to do so. As he’s been Reke’s only pro coach, I have no idea if it’s possible.

by Tom Ziller on Jan 27, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I think TZ is taking a little liberty in putting the blame on Evans.

I read the Bee article, and I didn’t see where Carl placed the blame on any individual player. Certainly, when Beno brings the ball up and feeds it into Cousins along the baseline, and he goes one-on-one with no back sceen, it’s not Tyreke’s fault. Or when Beno feed the ball into Carl at the right elbow extended, and he goes one-on-one with no down screen or pick and roll, that can’t be Tyreke’s fault.

I preferr the type of interview that JJ does for us where the questions and answers are quoted directly, so that the comments aren’t taken out of context. The way the Bee article is written with quotes mixed in with comment, it’s hard to say what Carl was trying to convey. Especially, since he seems to know that he is one of the players who doesn’t pass the ball enough, and goes one-on-one a lot.

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by HighTops on Jan 27, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Bingo!

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by kingsfan300 on Jan 27, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I would have to agree

Landry clearly was talking about the offensive system. Evans plays within that system and did not get called out in that piece by Landry at any point.

Does Evans go off play and try to create? Yeah? Is that what this article spoke to or what Landry was quoted saying?

No.

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by MustangMBS on Jan 27, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Landry is eloquent, which confuses people.

He has a personality, he doesn’t speak clichés in a monotone, he’s a real joy in interviews. I know these aren’t reasons to offer him a fat free agency deal, but I am going to miss the man when he’s gone.

And about this topic, he appears to be right. If Evans can play a more team-oriented game, Westphal and Petrie will both get smarter overnight.

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by andy sims on Jan 27, 2011 8:36 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

As TZ mentions though

Its kind of Westphal’s job to get Tyreke to play a more team-oriented game and he’s not doing a good job of enforcing it.

There have been spurts of awesomeness where this team has played together and within themselves (including Tyreke) but it never lasts long.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Iverson is the example to me

He was at his best when they took him off the point and made him a 2. He could focus on scoring as his #1 responsibilty, and he still managed to get a butt load of assists. I think Reke needs a point who will keep the offense flowing and also know when its time to give Reke the ball and let him do his thing. I think Reke could still end up, eventually, a 25 5 and 5 guy under that system.
To add to the wish list, it would be nice if the PG was 6’6" so we had the whole mismatch thing going.

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by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

We had a 6-3 guard on Augustin and Augustin was 6-7 at the rim.

and when 6-6 Tyreke Evans was defended by 6-0 DJ Augustin, Evans couldn’t score or even get in position to post him up.

Speed kills in the NBA, and the game has two ends of the court. Whatever advantage a 6-6 PG has on the offensive end, he loses on the defensive end trying to defende a quicker more moble guard, running off screens and picks.

Chris Paul is 6-0, and I can’t think of any 6-6 PG that I’d take over him.

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by HighTops on Jan 27, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Wade Too!

If I remember correctly Wade was at point for a while and when they let him be a 2 they won more games.

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by want2win on Jan 27, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

I don’t think that’s exactly why they were winning more games

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

WW..I like to live in shallow comments without reasearch

You are right they had more talent in other areas,,I was making a vailed attempt at pointing out I think Wade became more effective when he was moved to a 2.

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by want2win on Jan 27, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions  

There have been spurts of awesomeness where this team has played together and within themselves (including Tyreke) but it never lasts long.

Would that have to do with the youth and the fact that this team hasn’t been together that long, or because Westphal’s system is creating dissention among the players?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Ooooh, I know! I know!

Is it “C. All of the above?”

I don’t think there’s dissension per se, just not enough enforcement by Westphal.

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by vfettke on Jan 27, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

How do you enforce something without losing a player?

That’s the tricky part I think.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it'd be too hard with this group

They’re all young and for all we can tell, they want to get better and compete. Enforce might be a bad word, as it sounds forceful. But, these guys should be watching tons of tape with their coaches on things they are doing wrong and learning what they can do better. Remember, most of ‘em are still frickin’ kids. If its presented right, they’ll listen and learn.

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by vfettke on Jan 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

According to Omri's blog

That’s exactly what they have been doing. Watching tons of tape on their 4th quarter breakdowns. I’m not there, so I can’t say whose fault it is. But in teh same breath that Landry talked about ball movement, he mentioned that he tended to jack up shots because he didn’t know when he would get his hands on the ball again. And that is from a supposed vet.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 27, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

When he was first hired

Westhpal talked about coaching the system, but letting the players play. That giving the players a lot of freedom allowed them to perform better than they could if they were restricted.

by markdog333 on Jan 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

So in otherwords what these kids need is a task master to make them learn the ways of the world.

Interesting. So in otherwords, we’re all frustrated over watching a young losing team and we’re grasping at straws to find answers. Wonderful.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I would say that this season has definitely put this theory to the test

It seems to me that the players would have to understand the system to understand how to deviate from it properly.

by markdog333 on Jan 27, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

During the opening road trip we had great ball movement and won some games

As soon as the team started losing we stopped moving the ball and playing iso..so I think it is Wesphals inabilty to keep the youth focused and maintain what they can do in short spurts. This IMHO is where Westphal fails

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by want2win on Jan 27, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

During the opening road trip we weren't playing all that gret either to be honestly

I would take the team that lost on the recent east coast trip over the team that played the first road trip every single time. They weren’t playing very good on that early road trip, they had some scheduling luck and other teams also playing fairly crappy.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

sooooo many errors, good luck trying to decipher what I wrote

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

WSquared or WW or W2

I agree, sort of, I think we are playing better D but I think our Assist to TO ration and ball movement was better in the first 4 games..but I am propably imagining things.

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by want2win on Jan 27, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Right on point
And about this topic, he appears to be right. If Evans can play a more team-oriented game, Westphal and Petrie will both get smarter overnight.

And Tyreke will also get a lot smarter and better in the process.

Landry is just saying the obvious.

"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."

by NewEraKings on Jan 27, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no problem with it at all

It seems like he has been reading some of the more astute posts on this site for months

- the low talent level on this team has been exaggerated
- the offensive system either sucks or is not being run per instructions- on a remarkably consistent basis
- this coaching staff cannot and\or will not influence our young star to play team ball

Summary: the coaching is a major problem on this team and the coach should have been fired 2 months ago.

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 8:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

thank you carl

I have been saying westphal is a awful all year,and you just made my point.westphal is here on the cheap.(money)maloofs do not want to spend money on a great coach so they hire coaches like westphal and hope for best.also they will not spend for big time players and they sure in the hell are not going to pay for a arena.so it is what it is.i say they will leave sacramento in 2012 i hope not but it is all about the money…

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Jan 27, 2011 8:40 AM PST reply actions  

I especially like

the ellipsis.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 27, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

rec'd

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

ellipis parched

Better crack open another cold one.

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by SavageBeast on Jan 27, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Rude personal attack.

But still rec’d.

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by caseycheesecake on Jan 27, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Lol.

Did you read their fanshot the other day about how K-Love had to argue with Rambis to be taken out of the game before the end of a quarter so he didn’t pick up another foul?

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by caseycheesecake on Jan 27, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Perspective

we are halfway through another awful season and this is one of the few hiccups in terms of team dynamics we’ve seen. This is minor, minor stuff so let’s all keep that in mind.

Now for the over-analyzing – I LOVE what Carl had to say about the current team/offense/coaching. The win streak mention is pie in the sky – but the fact that a player is calling out how crappy this coach’s system is gives me hope that these guys aren’t willing to bend over and take the blame for what I see as Westphal’s ineptitude. We’ve broken down last-second plays, rotations, etc – but the underlying point to all of that is this team does not move the ball well and are not held accountable for not moving the ball.

our starting guards combine for <10 assists a game. we are all excited about DMC’s passing ability but that is translating into 1.7 assists a game – not exactly Vladesque – more like Kamanesque. Landry, Greene, OC, SD, JT all with <1 assist a game – if you are moving the ball on offense guys would be getting at least 1 assist per game. Check out Houston’s roster by comparison and you see every player in their rotation avgs. at least 1 asst a game and most of them are over 2. that’s the ball movement Landry is talking about.

by Madzillagd on Jan 27, 2011 8:46 AM PST reply actions  

My only problem with Carl's comments

and I essentially agree, is that he has a terrible assist rate for his position, not just this year but every year he’s been in the league.

If Carl gets the ball, just like Tyreke, he’s 95% likely to put up a shot of some sort.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

that’s probably what Carl is best suited for. He’s a super efficient 6th man type of guy.

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by vfettke on Jan 27, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

That’s what you want Carl Landry to do.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

agree.

i’m glad he acknowledged he’s a black hole.

i’m not a fan of landry’s game on the kings. put him on a better team as the 6th man and he’s perfect, but the kings need a better all-around player at that position. even if there was better ball movement on the kings i think carl would probably be one of the players that jacks it up too much.

by Madzillagd on Jan 27, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

As pookey pointed out in a post below, his TS% is nearly 60% for the month...

I’d say it’s a good idea to get him more looks. He’s finding his offensive game again, and thats what we need him for. He’s a proven clutch scorer, and he’s one of the ones I want with the ball in his hands in the 4th quarter of a close game.

Is his improved offense a result of the team playing more competitively, or is the team playing more competitively because of his improved offense? I don’t know the answer. But I do know that he’s starting to get back to the efficiency levels that made us bring him here in the first place, so I’m happy when he gets a lot of touches.

by rpmonkey on Jan 27, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a good idea for him, but is it for the team?

He is part of the ’let’s all stand around – or clear out actually, while so-and-so makes a play’.

Plus, he’s had a number of critical errors at the end of games recently. Off. fouls, TO’s, bad shots, sort of this year’s JT.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

In the 4th quarter of a close game...

Don’t you want the person with the best chance of scoring to have the ball? Sure, he can make mistakes too, but I would say that Carl is far less likely to make a mistake than Tyreke or DMC. The only one on the team less inclined to mistakes would probably be Beno, but even his 4th quarter decision making has been suspect. Once again, in the Charlotte game he tried to force a pass into the lane that didn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of making it through.

I think, if you’re trying to preserve a lead, or come from behind, you have to have your most efficient scorers get the ball. Carl is one of those guys.

by rpmonkey on Jan 27, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I would agree if the guy could pass

he can’t – or doesn’t.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

My problem with Carl in the 4th

Which he gets the majority of the minutes at PF, is that his game is one dimensional. If he gets the ball in his sweet spot, fantastic, he is a very good scorer. But if he is not, then he is contributing so little. His man defense is average, his passing well below average, and rebounding non existent. The Bobcats had six players with more offensive rebounds than he had defensive rebounds, and he played thirty minutes. I understand his urgency and focus being on scoring, since he can do it well, and that this is his lone chance for a big contract in his career, but he is so lacking in other areas that I dont know how that is going to work out for him, or how it is working out for us.

by MichaelMack on Jan 27, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a hard time getting riled up over Carl's comments in this article to be honest.

I guess they are somewhat critical of his teammates and the coaching staff but at the same time I don’t think this is the type of stuff that burns bridges really. Curious if PW reacts reasonably or goes the route he went last year.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 8:47 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

He said it in a very good way

As harsh as it is, he didn’t just sit there and complain and put people on blast, which is good. What I think is funny though, is now we have 2 guys talking about their old teams a lot. Landry: " When I was in Houston…" Beno: “When I was with the Spurs….”

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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 27, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a bit of humor

in these guys thinking back wistfully to the teams that waived or traded them.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Not really, because they were winning when they were there.

Everyone gets traded or waived eventually, but winning heals a lot of wounds.

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by HighTops on Jan 27, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

And getting waived wounds a lot of heels

Udrih was cast out of San Antonio when Pop ran out of patience with him and his inability to embrace San Antonio’s system.

If it’s not funny to you, so be it. But I find it funny that Udrih recalls his days in San Antonio as though he learned something or benefitted from being with them. That’s sure not how he felt when they showed him the gate.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I don't find it funny (unusual, not ha ha)

No matter what happened in SA to Beno, he came here got his big contract and major PT, but still longs for winning over losing. I find that totally, natural for anyone in a competitive business.

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by HighTops on Jan 27, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

And if he was back on a winning team

But spending most of his time on the bench because he wouldn’t play D, he would long for his playing time back. It a circular thing. If you play well, your team tends to win more. And if your team is losing, you have to look in the mirror first and ask, “What can I do better?”

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by SavageBeast on Jan 27, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Touche,

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by HighTops on Jan 28, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

true..

but, it can also be seen as players who have been a part of successful teams in the past and comparing and sharing with this team what it took to be a winning squad. this can be viewed as a form of leadership that we all can agree is needed in as many forms as we can get. He didn’t say anything that we can’t all see and have discussed. and lets be fair, Carl has had his fair share of bad play as well. I also agree with him (as he has repeated a lot lately) tghat the team has way more talent then their record. they should be better, so i guess that does come back to coaching

by gaindeyouth on Jan 27, 2011 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

if i went to game

and had a sign that reads_FIRE WESTPHAL_will they let me took it in arco?

by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Jan 27, 2011 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

I honestly don't know but technically if you bring two signs, have something positive on one and have a blank one taped on the positive one so it looks like one sign

and bring something to write with you can make the sign at the arena.

As a sidenote, just curious … but what are you typing on? Is it an actual laptop or is it a phone?

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

If that were true

wouldn’t his spelling be better?

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by hozr on Jan 27, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on if he's speaking through a mouthful of arena dogs

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by CaliforniaJag on Jan 27, 2011 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

They might let you take it in

Don’t know if you can took it in though.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Then you haven't met cowgirlsue.

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by caseycheesecake on Jan 27, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Why isn't this Greene?

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by PurpleLoco on Jan 27, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

It may be spot-on commentary by Landry,

but choosing Ailene Voisin as your platform is an extremely questionable choice. And that’s not a shot at Voisin. I just don’t understand how a bench player with an expiring deal that is very likely on his way out of town thinks that he is going to improve the situation by going public.

And 1 – I wonder if the primary issue for Landry is not wins and losses, but touches. This year is potentially costing Landry millions, so it is understandable that he has become frustrated.

And 2 – After all of this is said, I would love Landry to explain to me how Adelman made him a 10%+ better free throw shooter than Westphal.

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by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 8:56 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Adelman has obviously learned

how to break down the opponents free throw defense. Something that PW has yet to figure out.

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by prowseinthehouse on Jan 27, 2011 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Landry's probably more frustrated by the lockout

coming when he’s in a contract year set to be a UFA.

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by Aykis16 on Jan 27, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of touches

Amick said he had the impression that early in the year Carl became a black whole himself out of concern for his pending free agency and that it took a while for him to get over it and just go back to playing hoop..

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

SA said it on the Rise Guys (KHTK) today

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at his career stats

and compare his asstrate to even league averages at his position, Carl has always been a bit of a black hole.

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by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I know career wise it's low, but check out his Ast% though for the first two months compared to right now and career wise

He broke 10% a grand total of twice before December 29th and only broke over 5% seven times. In 28 games.

Since then he has broken 10% seven times and 5% five times. In 15 games.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

ug

didn’t mean to have “career wise” at the end there. Sorry.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

That is also a function

Of general team offensive ineptitude

by lchristmas on Jan 27, 2011 10:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Eh, much ado about nothing IMO

You can read as much as you want into it, but it didn’t strike me so much as Carl taking shots at the coaching staff or fellow players as Carl implying that a young team needs to stop making dumb mistakes and start playing smarter basketball.

Which is really a big “no duh”.

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2011 9:02 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Hard not to take these quotes as shots at this coaching staff
“If you look at J.T. (Thompson), he’s had three or four coaches in his four years, coaches that probably weren’t that good.”
We could do that here, but that’s not what we do, and you have to play the system the coach (Paul Westphal) wants.

I like Carl a lot, and he put this as delicately as he can. But he is obviously not happy with the coaching on this team. I haven’t been on the fire Westphal bandwagon because of the fact that this is a young team that needs to learn to play together, and another turn on the coaching carousel is not going to improve things on that front. However, I’m beginning to think that PW is not cut out for this job. Unfortunately I don’t know of any “big name” coaches who are actually available aside from Larry Brown gag. I don’t know that he is our coach next season, but I don’t know who could take his place.

by rpmonkey on Jan 27, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Well the first might be a shot at the prior coaching staffs

Point taken on the second. However, I’d like to hear Carl’s tone rather than just the written word. I think this may come of in writing worse than intended.

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree with you on tone.

Carl gives a great interview, and yeah, tone is everything. I’d like to be able to hear what he said instead of just reading it.

by rpmonkey on Jan 27, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

SA said on Rise guys today

that this would be consistent with how Carl seems to feel when he interviews him.
 I got the feeling there was more resignation in Carls voice than anger.

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

One of the strange things about this article...

…is that it seemed like she took some of Carl’s quotes from Amick’s article and put them in their own. Maybe that’s becuz Carl says the same things to each reporter or something.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you meant by this. Could you clarify?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

sorry been working on a bunch of other stuff and only comment here briefly so I am about at a point where I am pretty much only writing gibberish

You pointed out how it’s so strange that Amick’s article and Voison’s are so similar. I was just saying that, given the fact they both are writing within a day or two of each other about Landry’s views on the teams and using very similar material, this is really an awesome example of how both Amick and Voison have a very different style.

For example, you can never quote a “twinkle in the eye” or a “sheepish grin” to but you can sure as hell describe it and Voison goes to great lengths to do so inorder to narrate the story. Now, whether it’s a preconceived story or just trying to articulate what she really sees, or whether she just only reads romance novels is up to the reader to figure out I suppose. As for Amick, I am always amazed how protective he is of players when doing these interview pieces and often writes very positive comments and it’s pretty easy to see why players like talking to him. The funny thing is, when Amick writes anything critical of the organization, he all of a sudden has a bunch of anonymous sources close to the situation and all kinds of details of what happens behind the scenes between the players and coaches. I’m just saying, if I were an NBA player, I would definitely be friends with that guy because not only will he make you look good in interviews but if you ever felt like the coaching staff or the head coach were screwing up, look out (Plus you won’t look bad doing it).

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I feel like Sam, despite differences I have in opinion with him, works his ass off to the bone to present a story in a straight-forward manner. I don’t always agree with the conclusion (that’s my right) or some of the details that make up the conclusion, but I appreciate how he writes his story. I feel like if he’s writing something about a player that is complicated, it will come off that way. I know what I’m getting with him, and while he may not be flashy as a writer or Fanhouse guy (whatever), I know that Sam isn’t just saying something to fill space. He genuinely believes in what he’s writing.

I long tired ago of Voisin’s penchant to pick a topic, rant about it in sometimes incoherent fashion, and only cherry pick things that make up the point she feels is the overriding issue. I’m not even sure I understand what Voisin’s POV on things are. This Carl Landry piece is another case in point. Is it a hit piece on Westphal, Evans, Petrie, all of the above, none of the above, 1 or 2 of the 3? After reading this, I’m left with more questions than anything else and that frustrates me to no end.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I hadn't read Voison for a long time actually.

Reading this article is fricking brutal. Just so … boring. I get the sense she is just trying to explain the frustrations in the lockeroom but dear lord I don’t give a shit if Landry is moving to the door and pausing. Who gives a shit, seriously? Seriously, what’s up with all the passive flowery writing? It’s frickin painful, I don’t care about Pooh staring at a state sheet and frowning. I don’t question her accuracy in everyone being down but it’s just … I dunno, just bad writing to me.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah she doesn't want to be the bad guy in reporting a negative thing.

Of course they are pissed off, who likes to lose?

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Sam said He and Aileen

Talked about Carl a lot before she wrote this article.

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

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by jjham15 on Jan 27, 2011 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Otis said what I wanted to say.

If you want to look for drama, you’re going to find it.

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, Carl...

He’s so much more eloquent than 90% of the league that it’s impossible to be angry at him for the criticism.

…It also helps that he’s completely correct. And it really could not have come at a worse time, when he’s playing considerably better than the past couple months. I’d hate to see him in the doghouse with Westphal simply for being candid. At this point, I would be very happy to see him stay and be our sixth man. His offense really is impressive when he isn’t settling for jumpers.

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by Donovan Jeska on Jan 27, 2011 9:02 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Can this be improved with experience?

Or do we need a natural point guard?
Or should we draft Jimmer Fredette?

by amack10 on Jan 27, 2011 9:14 AM PST reply actions  

Jimmer?

IF the kings continue on this path… we land a top 5 pick!

Are we really a fanbase that thinks Jimmer is OUR guy?

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by Shadrack on Jan 27, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if he's our guy

I do know he’s a freakin’ amazing college player. I’m well aware that amazing in college doens’t always translate to the NBA, however.

by Kusian on Jan 27, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

It's definitely too early to tell

But people have been comparing him to Steph Curry. A player like that seems like a good fit for Tyreke. But like I said, I haven’t really seen him play, and don’t know if he’s capable of running the offense in the NBA.

by amack10 on Jan 27, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I know

It was more of a joke considering he just scored 43 and the Kings seemingly can’t score. I honestly haven’t seen him play (just on youtube). I do think that we need to look for a point guard though. If we end up trading Landry for a first rounder I think we could use someone who can come off the bench and score with ease, particularly from the outside since Tyreke likes to penetrate. That seems like something Jimmer can do.

by amack10 on Jan 27, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

This is not the first time I read the word...

Jimmer on this site….

of course, I remember Rubio… our community was divided.

Statistics are like a girl in a bikini. They show a lot, but not everything.

by Shadrack on Jan 27, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Are we opposed to guys who score now?

Last I heard having thirty foot range and an NBA body were considered positives.

by Lotusprime on Jan 27, 2011 4:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good

Westphail sucks donkey balls and she be told so.

http://www.makechadrich.com

by Chad Vander Veen on Jan 27, 2011 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

^should be

I suck donkey balls at typing

http://www.makechadrich.com

by Chad Vander Veen on Jan 27, 2011 9:16 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Where is everybody finding the donkeys?

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know,

but I find this opportunity to suck balls and ass at the same time most frightening.

SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!

by section214 on Jan 27, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Can we all just agree that it's everyone's fault, please?

And let’s just focus our attention on making fun of cowboyron!

"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty

by vfettke on Jan 27, 2011 9:17 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

How many cowboyrons does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

Answer: Trick question, none, he’s still a virgin.
2nd bad answer: None, he’s too fat to fit in a light bulb.
Sorry, its early, I tried.

There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.

by ElRonToro on Jan 27, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

He's talking about brute force

There are teams out there that have a couple of the best players in the world – they’re able to defeat other teams simply because they have better players. The isolations, the stutter steps, the pull up threes – those are signs of the most elite tier of player that (almost otherworldly) can connect time after time after time.

Tyreke isn’t that dude. He thinks he is that dude, but he’s not there yet. DMC thinks he can brute force anyone in the post, and while he could be that dude, he’s not. They have to play excellent TEAM basketball to win games, and of all the games I’ve watched, it looks like everyone wants to be a superstar. Adelman enforces excellent team basketball – that’s why his teams are usually successful. Dude knows what he is doing – his record proves that

by melee on Jan 27, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Adelman also has players who understand and embrace that.

That would be one difference between the Rockets and Kings IMO.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

And it's amazing that a team that is 22-25 (granted without Yao) this season...

…and has gotten to the 2nd round once with Adelman (granted when Yao was healthy), is suddenly something the Kings need to be.

I think some of the mythologizing of other teams needs to stop. Every team has players who try to score in ISO’s. The difference between the best teams and good teams is simply talent. All the high end teams in the NBA have commitment.

Mountain meet molehill.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It's because

it’s clearly better than what we have here right now.

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 27, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Personally, I think grass is a waste of time and money.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

On the smoking kind.....maybe. Depends on how I feel about it.

On wasting water to have a cookie cutter front lawn that is green, definitely.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I used to work my ass off to have a green lawn

Then I got a dog and a big old trampoline for my daughter that’s in my backyard. It hasn’t been the same since.

/sigh

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2011 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm digging mine up

and planting roses and building a water feature this spring.

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 27, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it big enough to hold Arco?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Hahahaha.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

My advice

don’t go small on the water feature. You’ll spend about as much but be dissappointed. I’ve done several, be ambitious and make it an actual feature.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I've got a semi-big crashing

waterfall in the backyard, it makes entertaining in the back yard pretty cool.

by goklngs on Jan 27, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

me as well

and I’m going to add a higher tier come spring. It’s soothing to us and never fails to draw admiration from visitors. Very transformative.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

The cost can add up though

especially if you have a Koi pond below it.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Who are you the Duke of Earl?

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Jan 27, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The big cost up front is the pump

What did you get/pay? I’m hoping to build a 4’ hill in the corner and have a fall and then a stream like thing for a while running from it

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 27, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

The costs are spread pretty equally

The pump, about $300 for a good one, the skimmer/filter, about the same for a good one, the liner if you have any size of pond will be close to both of those and finally, unless you make multiple trips to the hills to collect and get your own, nice sized rocks – and you need more than you think, really add up.
Don’t use dirt for your waterfall base, it will move under the weight, use cinderblocks which look ugly going in but are fine/ invisible once covered with rocks. That is unless you’re planning something less orgamic and more formal looking. But still, nice blocks for that also really add up.

For any kind of pond make very sure it’s level from side to side or you get a strange look water level wise.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for the advice!

I’ll keep it in mind when I get crackin on this!

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I actually still have some left overs laying around

A waterfall resevoir/overflow (I decided to make my own out of rock and liner) and a decent sized piece of liner I collected early because I got a deal – but then went with a bigger one as I wanted a larger pond.
Let me know, I’ll give you a good deal.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

How big is your liner?

I already have a low spot full of water. Just going to go with it. Probably need a long and narrow liner though.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jan 27, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd have to check

I think I lost the packaging. If you plan on fish though you do need some depth or they’ll roast in the summer, the water will get too dirty and the various critters will wade in and eat them.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Give me a call and stop by some time

I’ll show you my pond and the liner, waterfall overflow etc…

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Threadjack!

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd start collecting things as you can afford them

and start making those trips up to the hills to collect good sized rocks. You’ll want a few actual VERY big ones to get a nice look, so be prepared with what you’ll need, muscle and equipment (dolly etc.) to move and load them.
Check on Craigslist regularly for stones and equipment as well. Sometimes they’re practically being given away if you’re quick enough.

It’s quite a project, digging the hole (if you have a pond)is easier than you’d think in the right weather but you need to get rid of the dirt somewhere. I spread a lot of it around in low areas and was able to pawn the rest off on neighbors who had low spots.

Choose the site carefully, really think about it and read up on it.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Rocks on CL are often free

River rock mostly… If you want some raw granite you can get a permit for $20 from the US Forest Service and take up to 10 tons out of some of the old quarries off of Highway 50, down Icehouse Road. Quite a drive and you need a truck with a boom.

I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...

by MustangMBS on Jan 27, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a nice pump on craigslist right now

only $100 for a very good one. Not the submersible but rather an in-line so you need to hide it behind your rocks or something.

http://sacramento.craigslist.org/grd/2185189293.html

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 28, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

this is very true

Live every week like it's Shark Week.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It's about time someone like Carl said something

Paul Westphal has failed. Plain & simple. I really don’t see how anyone can argue this. Don’t get me wrong. I understand another coaching search on a budget is terrifying. It scares the hell out of me too but something has to change. They should have hired Thibideau in the 1st place but he’s taken now. So wait for the offseason & do some major homework & for God sakes don’t be afraid to spend a few bucks. Find the best assistant on a great team. The Spurs or Celtics most likely. Probably stay away from the Lakers. A triangle offense might be too complicated for a young team.

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Jan 27, 2011 9:42 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

They should have hired Thibideau in the 1st place but he’s taken now.

I get the sense that was never really something the Kings were in a position to do.

Live every week like it's Shark Week.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Not when the Chicago job was available

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I get the sense that after the success he had in Boston

he was in a great spot there where Rivers might possibly leave at any moment and he really had no reason to rush to whatever job was available. I get the sense that he was the one who was a bit more picky unless the Kings really wanted to wow him with an offer he couldn’t refuse.

Live every week like it's Shark Week.

by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed with Wally.

He never seemed to be committed to coming to the Kings.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Fade away jumpers

lead to losses and the Kings take more shots when leaning backwards then any team I have witnessed. WP should bench anyone shooting fade shots to reinforce the issue so these guys square up to the basket.

by g4y Vulture on Jan 27, 2011 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

The Double Disappointed Western Jalepeno Carl

is officially on the menu. Comes with your choice of Fire (Wesphal) or ’Reke Sauce….

...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...

by Sacto_J on Jan 27, 2011 10:03 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I love Landry and he's right.

Landry is the toughest dude on this team and I think he’s a crucial building block. The same cannot be said for Westphal who is obviously part of the problem at this stage. He has a lot of you thinking this team isn’t that talented and is too young to be winning. THAT IS BS. This team has quality talent at every single position which is more than you say for teams that go out and beat The Kings regularly e.g. the Bobcats at home no less.

Obviously Landry knows this coach sucks and it’s obvious in the way this team loses. You can blame inconsistency on youth all you want but with a bad system on both sides of the floor and terrible substitution patterns that MAKE THE TEAM INCONSISTENT this team will continue to be lousy and we’ll start to lose the ambition in our young talented players. If Landry gets traded or even benched for saying this and Westphal remains free of blame I’m going to start to have an attitude problem with this team.

by mavisdory on Jan 27, 2011 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

Laces out Ellie?

...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...

by Sacto_J on Jan 27, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Come on

Be an ace. Turn on some Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura. Sit down with your pet and do some good detective work and figure it out!

Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!

by prowseinthehouse on Jan 27, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Jim Carrey just found out Einhorn is Winkle. :)

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Shooter had a perfect record

Unfortunately, Westphal and Tyreke have borrowed the picket fence from him instead of the inside-outside plus pick-and-roll formula used by every decent team in the league in crunch time.

"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."

by NewEraKings on Jan 27, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

With all this being said

Houston is 22-25 this season. So adleman is struggling more than he usually does. I’d say that right now Houston’s roster is better and more experienced than Sacramento’s.

by amack10 on Jan 27, 2011 10:25 AM PST reply actions  

Good point.

"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie

by AnotherStupidSN on Jan 27, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not convinced that roster is better

more experienced, certainly.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with that

Fairly mediocre roster with some glaring holes. No defenders. No defensive big other than 6’5’’ Chuck Hayes.

Anyone reading my thoughts on the Rockets know I’m not a big fan. Think they are stuck in the no man’s land we were in a few year’s back. Resisting blowing things up and rebuilding, but not a threat. And while they have some youth, I don’t think their young players are very good. Outside of Brooks, who is maybe a #3 on a great team, who’s #2 – Buddinger, Williams, Patterson, Hill?

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 27, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

At what point...

does this become Westphal’s fault?
I understand being loyal but, shouldn’t we have improved from last year? Isn’t that how it works, especially since we are more experienced and have improved talent?
What has Westphal done any better than Natt or Musclehead? I’m sorry, I can tell i’m in the minority here but, this team has the talent to win games, they just need to be pointed in the right direction.

by goklngs on Jan 27, 2011 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

especially since we are more experienced and have improved talent?

More experienced? Getting through your rookie season qualifies as more experience? This is another myth that should be let go but won’t. Too much at stake to let it go right now I guess.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Inexperience is the blamed culprit right?

Why wouldn’t getting through your rookie season qualify as more experience? Guys like Reke and Casspi have a year and half more NBA experience than they did at the begining of last season. Dalembert was brought in for a tougher,better more experienced inside presence. Everyone except the rookies now have a year and a half of experience with THIS coaching staff. The only myth going on here is that these guys are still too young to win games.

by goklngs on Jan 27, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

The only myth going on here is that these guys are still too young to win games.

Ain’t disagreeing with that. I don’t think Paul Westphal does either. There’s only one rub: The players have to go out and perform. And so far, it’s hard to know what kind of performance you’re going to get from this group collectively.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

50-50

Westphal is far from blameless. He’s not a disaster (in the Natt, Muss sense of the word), but has not done much to impress me either.

However, yes, youth has a big affect on winning. When four of your main rotation players are 20, 21, 22 and 23 that’s going to put you at a disadvantage. Especially on the road and in close games. Exactly where we have struggles most.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 27, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed SPTS.

I’m just not sure any coach can or would have done more. It’s not like Westphal is dealing with Dwyane Wade and Pau Gasola at 28 years old yanno?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Pau Gasol^

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Landry comments

I totally agree. PW has to use his players better. Tyreke needs to learn that this is a team sport. Move him to the 2 spot, trade for a point guard, and or use poo more, he’s up tempo, so run, run, run. Also defense leads to offense, they need to really play much much better defense. Players are starting to get frustrated, and they can only blame themselves.
Study more, practice more.

by Allah Chingada on Jan 27, 2011 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

I have been saying

Tyreke has ball hog tendencies for a few weeks, and have emphatically stated PW has done a poor coaching job all year. And this team has significantly underachieved.

If you review the games so far, and relatively easy schedule, you will count 20 to 21 games where the Kings were at home within striking distance, on the road with the lead. They repeatedly squandered away quarters and possessions, underperformed and could not execute.

Strategic coaching, effective play sets, key substitutions, cohesive play would have made all the difference. If half of those games have different outcomes, the Kings are close to a .500 team.

As far as Landry calling out the coach, I think the job PW has done is pretty pretty self-evident. PW doesn’t need Landry to point out he has coached ineffectively. He has shown that all by himself.

Preseason was squandered by PW and not put to best issue, either, with inattention to detail and a bunch of nonsensical lineups leading to opener. The level of play we are witnessing now, improved competitiveness, could have been achieved 15 to 20 games into the season, not 40 games.

If PW is the coach next season, he was a feline in a previous life.

by bench_blob on Jan 27, 2011 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

My biggest problem with PW

was training camp/ pre-season.

Spending soooo much valuable court time getting those guys ready for the D-league and the waiver wire.
Plus I think he dumbs down the offense too much. You want smarter players give them smarter plays to run that they can get excited about. They would have failed on some of them of course but we’re tlking about developing talent here.

"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII

by lietothegirls on Jan 27, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Funny thing about Mr Landry.

As he complains about this team is playing, he’s played much better recently (especially in hitting his FT’s). He’s gotten to the line 71 times this month, and that’s 16 more than December (where he got to the line 55 times). Oh, but this month also has 2 more games to increase that total.

His FG% for the first 2 months of the season was around 45%. Now for January it’s around 53%.

His TS% is now 59.7% for the month. Of all the guys who seemed to have turned a corner this month, Landry is absolutely one of them. He’s also one reason the Kings have been more competitive and in many close games (although they pretty much have been lost at the end with some kind of meltdown). It’s not an accident that the Kings have been better recently in FT shooting because Evans and Landry are shooting better percentages from there. Since they are among the 3 best Kings at drawing fouls and getting to the line (Cousins being the other), it’s incredibly important they convert.

I guess my point here is that while I understand Landry’s frustration, I’m not sure you can skip the process of growing up in the NBA and speed it up to where you start to win consistently. That’s the goal, and I don’t think it’s changed. But in the meantime, you’re sure gonna have a lot of frustration.

I don’t care what Landry says. Westphal is using him the best way he can, but the problem here is that your 2 best players are 21 and 20 years old who are nowhere near being polished products. Sure, I can see why Landry’s frustrated in all of this. It’s frustrating to play with youth, even talented youth, and thus the losing. The name of the game, after all, is winning and the Kings haven’t done that.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:45 AM PST reply actions  

I agree

I’m not saying that PW is doing a good job. But he is a proven player and coach in this league. That’s why it’s hard for me to think that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He probably has more years in this league than the whole roster combined! The bottom line is you need experience to win in this league. That’s why you usually always see the oldest teams in the finals.

by amack10 on Jan 27, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Recheck PW's head coaching record

Both teams he took over were’nt bad teams or losing teams like in most coaching changes. He took over 55 win teams, and within 3 yrs Phoenix was a 41 win teams, and his record in 2+ years with Seattle was 76-71. In the 4 yrs before Westphal took over Seattle, George Karl had lead the team to 57, 64, 57, and 61 wins. Westphal was fired 15 games into his 3rd season coaching Seattle.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Jan 27, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

So there's light at the end of the tunnel?!
Westphal was fired 15 games into his 3rd season coaching Seattle.

by getPGwithbounce on Jan 27, 2011 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

There are 2 different reasons

He inherited rosters that were drastically different from each other. And, had different involvement with them. He also got fired for 2 different reasons both times.

It’ll be funny to see what happens if Westphal doesn’t get fired this summer.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 28, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a more realistic take
I don’t care what Landry says. Westphal is using him the best way he can, but the problem here is that your 2 best players are 21 and 20 years old who are nowhere near being polished products. Sure, I can see why Landry’s frustrated in all of this. It’s frustrating to play with youth, even talented youth, and thus the losing. The name of the game, after all, is winning and the Kings haven’t done that.

For shits and giggles, I checked Carl’s basketball reference page, and here’s how the team makeup looked with Houston during his two full seasons in Houston (top 7 players in minutes played and ages):

2007-2008:
1. Tracy McGrady – 28
2. Yao Ming – 27
3. Rafer Alston – 31
4. Luis Scola – 27
5. Shane Battier – 29
6. Luther Head (!) – 25
7. Bonzi Wells – 31

2008-2009:
1. Yao Ming – 28
2. Ron Artest – 29
3. Luis Scola – 28
4. Aaron Brooks – 24
5. Carl Landry – 25
6. Von Wafer – 23
7. Rafer Alston – 32

And here is the top 8 for Sacramento so far this season:

1. Tyreke Evans – 21
2. Beno Udrih – 28
3. DeMarcus Cousins – 20
4. Carl Landry – 27
5. Omri Casspi – 22
6. Francisco Garcia – 29
7. Jason Thompson – 24

One of these does not look like the other, IMO.

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

You mean older experience and polished players are more successful than younger less polished and less experienced players?

Oh my lordy lord Otis, you just done did screw up my dichotomy you rotten evil Greek man you. (Rec’d.)

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by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Umm...

when some of your examples of polished players include guys like Ron Artest and Bonzi Wells, your point loses validity.

Remember when Bonzi turned down a fat deal from the Kings and royally screwed himself? Those were good times…

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by vfettke on Jan 27, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

When you seem to forget that they were veterans and had been in the league for years....

….and that was the point, I don’t see what Bonzi’s turning down the deal with the Kings or Artest’s loopiness has to do with things here.

Bonzi Wells and Ron Artest have numerous faults as players, but that doesn’t mean you can’t say they won’t help teams in part because of their NBA experience. Or, you can, but come off sounding like you don’t understand what the point was originally.

You have the name “McNulty” in your sig. Your argument is invalid.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

That's probably a good point, McGrady (to a lesser extent) could probably be included as well

However, these were guys who had significant NBA experience. If they were continuously breaking away from Adelman’s intended offensive sets, would they have played that many minutes?

I’m just not sure PW has many options other than to keep these youngsters out there until they either get the gist of it or Petrie is forced to change the personnel.

PW’s “goals” here are considerably different than Adelman’s with those Houston teams. So Carl’s expectations of PW might need to be different as well.

by otis29 on Jan 27, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

And FWIW ....

…other than Landry’s TS% for the month (which is 59.7% like I said), you have Beno’s TS% which is 59.5%, Tyreke’s TS% is 50.5% (which given how awful it was during November/December is a marked improvement but still subpar), Cuz’s TS% is 48.7%, JT’s TS% is 54.9%, Omri’s TS% is 47.6%, Slammin Sammy D is 54.6 TS%, Cisco is 52.6% TS%, Pooh is 41.1 TS%.

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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Jan 27, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't really care too much about the ages

Yao Ming, Artest, Scola, and Artest are all pretty darn good players regardless. Heck Mcgrady (although not great) wasn’t exactly full on terrible in 07-08.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Lakers have 10 players 30 years or older

But they will make the finals this year and hopefully lose.

by amack10 on Jan 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

You're kidding here right?

The Lakers core of Bryant, Gasol, Odom, Artest, Blake, Fisher and Barnes are very experience. Bynum is their only rotation player under 25 and he’s been in the league for awhile now cause he came in at 18.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 27, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't read this as blaming Tyreke at all.

I think reading this as pointing the finger at Tyreke is completely off-base. Landry IS NOT saying that Tyreke is selfish or a ball hog at all.

He is saying that his coach is running a slow half court, one-on-one offense that focuses on isolation plays instead of an up tempo style that would capitalize on their youth and on the ability of their players on the fast break.

Evans is awesome getting into the paint before the other team has time to pack the paint. We have wings that can cut to the hoop and big men that can come in for the dunk or the offensive rebound and follow-up dunk.

This team would be much better playing a more up tempo style, but they don’t because that IS NOT the offensive system. That is what Carl is saying. Can’t argue with that.

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by MustangMBS on Jan 27, 2011 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

A few things

Adelman is a great coach – one of the best of all time in terms of wins. Not coincidentally, he already has a job. What coach that would be interested in taking over a bad team in a small market is on Adelman’s level? Saying PW should coach more like Rick Adelman is like saying Carl Landry should play more like Tim Duncan. Just because it’s true, doesn’t mean saying it in the press is going to make the team better. So what is Carl’s motivation for saying it?

It’s crazy to me that people don’t see losing and making coaching changes as a self-perpetuating cycle. Like players, coaches must be given time to develop – not just their own skills, but also their relationship with the team. If an undeniably great coach isn’t waiting in the wings (looks around), and the present coach hasn’t “lost” the team, why set the franchise back by starting from scratch? It’s funny that Carl should use the example of Adelman to make his point, since the coaching carousel created by letting him go has been such an obvious destabilizer for the Kings. What’s even funnier is that Carl should bring this to the table when the team is clearly playing better of late. I ask again, what IS Carl’s motivation for saying it?

The point is, if you replace the head coach with every disappointing season, you’ll remain a loser forever. Let’s let the basketball IQ and chemistry improve with experience, and raise the talent level with another high pick and our oft discussed cap space. Then – assuming we’re still not satisfied with the “system” or the wins and losses – we might actually be able to attract a great coach, instead of one who’s simply shiny and new.

by furious.d on Jan 27, 2011 1:31 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Ohhhh shinyyyy

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by MustangMBS on Jan 27, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I am not too surprised. Voisin seems rather mean spirited to me.

She probably calculates that there is nothing lost in burning Landry, since he is leaving at the end of the season anyway.

by fryingpan136 on Jan 27, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do you assume she burned Carl?

If you actually read the quotes, it’s practically the same exact thing he said to Amick

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Because I don't like her. I don't like her take on Cousins or Evans either. I think she

is just trying to create drama and trying to make what he said sound as bad as possible. I guess I like Landry (not so much his game, but the man) and can’t believe he would be so insensitive. Having read Voisin’s take on many an issue, I don’t like her too much. Anyway, Carl said she took his words out of context, and I believe him over her. Though I must admit, it does sound a lot like what has been said before.

by fryingpan136 on Jan 27, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

either way it was a poorly written article but unless she misquoted Carl I don’t see what horrible wrong she did to him other than making him read some bad writing.

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by wallywagon11 on Jan 27, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Carl called Ailene crazy on Grant's show.

I love Landry.
Grant tweeted a link w/an interview with Ailene and soundbites from Carl.

In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
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by PurpleLoco on Jan 27, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not the coaching, it's the players

It’s not the players, it’s the coach

It’s more the players not following the coach’s system than it is the coach not having a strong game plan.

It’s more the awful coahes not developing the young players on the team.

I just can’t sort this out, everyone has a finger pointing at someone else. Something needs to change, someone has to go.

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by Pat Willie on Jan 27, 2011 3:08 PM PST reply actions  

If I had to guess

I’d say eventually the two things to change will be:

1 – Coach

2 – Players ages/experience

by SPTSJUNKIE on Jan 27, 2011 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's your fault and you need to go PW. ;)

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by HighTops on Jan 28, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Peaches is ripping Ailene right now

Michae Bluth - "Clear as the Ann on plain's face."

Leela -" Man, I'm sore all over. I feel like I just went ten rounds with mighty Thor"
Fry - "I feel like I was mauled by Jesus. "

Homer - " When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power…like God must feel when he’s holding a gun."

Tobias - "Where the f*** are my hard-boiled eggs?!?"

by Apoet on Jan 27, 2011 5:09 PM PST reply actions  

and Westphal is going to be on the radio at 6:00 if anyone is interested

Michae Bluth - "Clear as the Ann on plain's face."

Leela -" Man, I'm sore all over. I feel like I just went ten rounds with mighty Thor"
Fry - "I feel like I was mauled by Jesus. "

Homer - " When I held that gun in my hand, I felt a surge of power…like God must feel when he’s holding a gun."

Tobias - "Where the f*** are my hard-boiled eggs?!?"

by Apoet on Jan 27, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

But who can?
I’m not confident that at this point Westphal can really affect change in Tyreke’s game.

by getPGwithbounce on Jan 27, 2011 9:45 PM PST reply actions  

Tyreke.

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~Carl Sandburg

by PurpleLoco on Jan 27, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

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