Amick Weighs in on Kings Trade Talk
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If the Maloofs aren't willing to spend after the new CBA like they say they are
They might not have to fire GP or Westphal because they might just quit. You can’t build a winner this way. You just can’t.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jan 6, 2011 4:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
If the promised spending does not occur
The Maloofs , GP and the Cotton candy vendors should all be self-terminated.
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
Who needs high salary?
The Maloofs could go ultra cheap by trading away Caspi, Thompson and getting 2 first round picks (late first probably). With 3 first round picks the kings could draft a PG, SF,PF in the first round alone! 3 potential starters for rock bottom rookie wages :) It would be a great excuse for them to lose next year and get yet annother lottery pick also. Could you imagine how cheap a starting lineup of 3 rookies and Tyreke and DC would be? It would have to be the cheapest starting 5 in the NBA, yet would have a chance to win a few games.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 16, 2011 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
You realize JT & Omri are on the rookie scale themselves?
Omri & Reke have 2 more years on the rookie scale and JT has 1 season. And, when JT gets that next contract it won’t be considered breaking the bank. You know that right?
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Maybe we can have a payroll of ten million dollars!
And maybe the league won’t notice we’re that far under the minimum salary level. /nods
by otis29 on Jan 17, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You win overt 'cazm of the 9:32 am of MLK day award.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
If Petrie cant make competent roster changes this off season to create a winning product hes fired imho. Next year is his year to make the playoffs or go bye bye. There is NO reason why having Tyreke, DC, Casspi and a high lottery pick this year + a #&% load of cash to spend of free agents should not produce first round play off results. Some will say, “but wait thats only one year for guys to gel ect” I say “make a trade now, get some pieces practacing during the rest of this miserabl season so they are ready to contribute next year.”
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
At this point, they need to stick to the plan.
They’ve come waaay to far to abandon that now and throw it all away for some overpriced fringe all star.
It’s only half a season ahead of us before there are changes, and the Maloofs might make out like bandits.
what plan is that? Losing the most games every year and then drafting someone who in 3 years will leave town for a max nba contract? That only works for about 3 years untill the first guys start demanding max contracts, we are at year 2, the clock is ticking, the kings keep sucking.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I think the plan that sdfd is refering to
is the plan that the team began to undertake a few years ago, when it determined to move the current, high paid “talent,” and then begin rebuilding. It took about 3 seasons to get all of that contract moved, and there have been two drafts since where the Kings have had relatively high picks (4 and 5).
Current NBA rookie contracts have the players with their original teams for up to four seasons (at the team’s discretion) , before the player reaches restricted free agent status in his fifth season, meaning that the team can match any offer, so your fear about a player leaving after 3 seasons is unfounded.
There is no doubt that the Kings need to see a marked talent upgrade this next season, given the draft pick and cap space that they will have. It’s really where the rubber meets the road. But to infer that the Kings have not been following a plan (or that their plan is a bad one) is a bit premature, in my opinion. The plan is still in process. We’ll know in about a year whether or not it was well thought out and/or executed.
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DC wasnt signed to a 4 year deal for some reason, Tyreke was though.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Cousins was signed to a 3 year guarantee
The 4th year is the team’s option, and the 5th year he is due a qualifying offer, which basically makes him a restricted free agent.
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Nice summary by Sam
Landry and Dalembert I am ok with trading for whatever GP deems best for the team.
Casspi should be on the close to untouchable list and only traded for an obvious step up in talent. That means no future draft picks as the main trade piece and no coupling him with inferior talent to get rid of Cisco or Beno, as more cap space will not buy all that much In my opinion they (Beno and Cisco) are not bad contracts and are at most 2-3 million a year (combined) overpaid. You can argue that each is worth their contract.
I am hoping to land a top 15 point guard or PF, or a young player at those positions with a lot of potential.
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
On Beno and Cisco
I agree – if these guys are the worst contracts you have, you’re really not that bad off.
Exactly
There are a lot worse contracts out there, and they have a lot of value to our team as it is presently put together.
They are bad because they are both shooting guards, so is Tyreke. So we have 15mil a year at the SG position and Pooh Jeter as our only PG getting paid less than 1mil a year. Thats whats wrong lmfao.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Who cares how much is invested in one position?
The overall payroll is near the minimum, and there really aren’t any contracts that are stifling the ability of this team to make moves.
Because we can only play 2 sg’s per game, so having 3 high priced shooting guards forces us to either play 2 sg’s in our starting lineup or not play a player that makes 3-6 mil a year. So kings play 2 SG’s….
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
How exactly does having 3 "high priced" shooting guards
Force us to play anyone? How exactly does any of the Kings salaries force PW to play certain players? And how does it prevent the team from going out and getting other players?
Seriously, I’m just not following. Is there some kind of position cap in the NBA I wasn’t told about?
LOL, because GMs that pay players 6mil a year to ride the pine dont last very long
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 5:56 PM PST up reply actions
If that were the case,
virtually every GM in the league would be unemployed. When it comes to odiferous contracts, the Kings are definitely on the low end of the scale right now.
I’m curious – how overpaid do you think Beno is? As one of only three PG’s currently shooting over 50% for the season, he is making right about the league average for a guard. I have him at about fair value for the season, though overvalued because of the length of his contract.
Garcia is overvalued as well, but probably by a couple of million dollars. Now, go down each team’s payroll, and check how many teams have a smaller problem than that, and how many have a larger problem than that. My bet is that the Kings come out on the better side of this ledger.
Last but not least, Westphal determines playing time, not Petrie. And I have seen not one shred of evidence that would infer that Westphal is playing Udrih and/or Garcia because the front office is ordering it. The sad truth is that they are playing because they are amongst the better players on this current roster.
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First of all Beno is a SG, lets get that straight lol. So is Tyreke. I mean seriously, Beno had never played pg when he was waived from San Antonio. We picked him up out of pure desperation as a quick stopgap because we felt he could learn the point. Well, here we are years later and he is still a SG.
So for a 6’2-6’3" shooting guard who plays poor defense but can knock down an outside shot and get about 4-5 assists a game. Thats worth 2-3mil in the NBA by my estimation making him overpaid by about 2-3mil a year.
Garcia, a scrappy SG, but we have evans…so he plays as an undersized SF. Garcia is a borderline starting SG, and a non starting SF in the nba imho. So for a 6th man type of talent level at SG your looking at about 3-4mil a year give or take, so hes only slightly overpaid if he were our starting shooting guard or 6th man SG. But we have Tyreke, so he wont be a 6th man at SG, and not a starter either. At SF he is overpaid for what he can do, flat out, sorry. Hes a good guard, but not so good a forward imho.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Makes no difference to this conversation
OK, call Beno an SG if you like. Call him a dessert topping. Call him a floor wax. He is paid on the average of what an NBA guard makes these days, and he is at least average. His contract is in no way hamstringing the Kings from making other deals.
Garcia is overpaid by a couple million a year, whether you want to call him a shooting guard, small forward, the Count of Monte Cristo, whatever. Again, he is not inhibiting the Kings from making roster moves.
And as much as I appreciate the schooling of what is and what is not a point guard, shooting guard or or small forward, the fact remains that Garcia has and is playing some small forward and Beno is playing some point guard, and they are doing this for one of only 30 NBA teams. This, in my book, makes them a small forward and a point guard, respectively. And yes, they are also 2 guards.
Hey, they are multi-postional players. Maybe we are underpaying these guys.
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With regards to Beno...
…I’d argue he’s an excellent value at this point.
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Mikki Moore? Kenny Thomas?
Hell, Samuel Dalembert while you’re at it…
Not that it’s a knock on him; Moore was a move of desperation, Thomas was necessary in the Webber trade, and Dalembert gives us a lot of cap space after his contract is up. Point is, Petrie seems to have survived paying some serious cash to players sitting on the bench a lot.
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Interesting stuff
Doesn’t make much sense for the team to deal anyone for relief since they are so close to the minimum payroll – does it?
I guess you could deal Cisco for a similar player who has an expiring deal so you can relieve the extra years of the contract. Not sure why another team would do that, unless they see Cisco as a piece to put them over the top.
by otis29 on Jan 6, 2011 5:01 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I get the feeling from the last two articles of Amick's that I have read
As we as the fairly constant refrain from ESPN, that our front office doesn’t seem to get that much respect, or isnt thought of as ran too well. Even back from the Martin/Landry trade, some national writers said that the Kings did not do their homework in what they could get for K-Mart. I wonder if they feel that Petrie is slipping, if he is handcuffed by the owner’s financial situation, or are they under-manned, and not have enough high level staff working the phones.
For what it's worth,
nobody thought that the Celtics were well-run under Ainge right up to the moment that he acquired KG and Allen. Meanwhile, everyone bowed to the greatness of Pritchard, who was shown the door before his team ever won a playoff series.
The Kings are a bad team right now, and everyone involved is taking their lumps. Let’s see what everyone is saying in a year or two.
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casspi?
why in the hell would the kings consider trading Casspi? Hes young, cheap, and talented. If the only reason would be to trade Garcia or Udrihs contract, that is just stupid since we are way under the cap.
Utah is the most obvious trade target to me, they desperately need a 2 guard, where they play Raja Bell, and even Earl Watson and Ronnie Price with Williams. They might take on Udrih or Garcias contract along with Dalembert or Landry for their 1st round pick.
With Mehmets injury lingering, they are terribly thin up front, Landry or Dalembert would be huge upgrades over Fesenko or Elson.
Why trade Caspi?
Because he is not the starter at small forward. If he were starting, Id keep him. For whatever reason the Kings dont think hes a starter. Id rather have a 1st round draft pick to possibly draft a starter. There was a trade I was playing with on the ESPN trade machine involving Caspi:
New York recieves:
Omri Caspi
Jason Tompson
Sacramento Recieves:
Danilo Gallinari
1st round pick (late 1st round)
Gallinari would start at SF, Landry would start at PF. This would give us an extra draft pick in the first round as well.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 16, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
LOL.
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…or do you just have a major league hard on for Danilo Galinari?
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I have a hard on for a starting SF, and also one for annother first round draft pick, call me crazy but ill trade a bench warming SF for a starting SF any day, JT for a first round pick isnt a bad deal either, as we need a more defensive minded PF imho.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Because he isnt our starting small forward. Why is this? He started some as a rookie? Now we have a shooting guard playing SF and have the worst record in the NBA with him comming off the bench. We need a STARTING SF. If he was that good he would be starting instead of Garcia. We could trade him for a first round draft pick, or a starting SF. Thats why you would trade him. The teams that want him will use him as a 6th man off the bench gaurenteed. Im not sure there are many teams that he would start on, if he cant get starts on the worst team in the NBA.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Leverage
Casspi is contributing right now, and if we can leverage his ability to be a marketing force for a city with a large Jewish population we would be fools not to see what the other teams would be willing to provide.
Very few players are untouchable, and I don’t consider Casspi a lock to become a multi-year all star.
Would we say No if New Jersey wanted to give us Devin Harris for a Casspi and others deal?
I don’t know what the future holds, but I still have confidence that Petrie is doing what he can in light of the financial constraints placed upon him by management
Not that I don't agree, but...
What do you think we could get this coming offseason? I mean if you look at the players available it seems like slim pickings. I think the best we could probably do is Wilson chandler, who we would need to over pay. Its not like we are the New York Knicks who everyone wants to play for…
I think that as the playoffs arrive and the percieved or real state of mediocrity or disappointment becomes more apparent
the number of tradeable/acquirable players will expand. Teams that spent big this last off season (like say, Milwaukee) and performed poorly – maybe a first round playoff lose at 4-1 and out, or teams that didn’t make the playoffs but thought they should have, say Memphis will look to make a trade, expanding the available players.
I think the Petrie/Maloofs will be very cautious about having waited all this time just to land Wilson Chandler for $8M per. Or at least I can hope. I think alot has yet to happen to understand who will be available and at what price. The can’t miss exception still applies (I still don’t understand what can’t miss means but we will apply it anyway).
I think the biggest reason we all carry this cloud of apprehension is that the Kings have not done anything in a meaningful and positive way that did not involve cutting salary and talent in a few seasons. It has been a long time since the sole acquisition of a solid upgrade in talent and a large commitment in cash (and contract length). Mostly, they didn’t have the opportunity (they commited the money to re-signing players or trading away a more expensive contract) or the financial inclination. It should be noted that after the next two seasons, lock out or not, will find the Kings in need of the financial freedom to re-sign RekeRoY and the Zohan one year and the Impassioned Prince of Pout (DMC) the next.
Their most apparent “window of opportunity” is from day 1 post-CBA to Feb 2013, arguably sooner.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 7, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Not to strike conspiracy or anything...
…but this smells a bit like revenge. Maybe it’s not, but Sam wasn’t treated that well by basketball operations over his 5 years as beat writer. Either way, I still take what Sam says with a grain of salt.
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Never heard anybody say, or imply, Sam was petty before.
I guess there is a first time for everything, but I can’t see what merits this about him. Always seemed like he was a really professional dude and nothing in this article was so far out there…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
He is professional.
I’m not saying he’s not. He’s well within his rights to say what he has and how he’s said it. I just think some of what was said seemed more vindictive than he needed to say it. Then again, I might be too sensitive. Doesn’t matter really. Stuff will happen or it won’t. Sam’s either right on some or all of what he wrote, or not. We’ll see.
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I think what he said was pretty on target.
Every deal that has been made involved tearing down for a rebuild, shedding contracts, or getting out from under longer term salary obligations. They passed on Beasley and have not shown an inclination to take on additional salary even though they could get cheap or fair priced talent. Landry and Dalembert are the most likely to go given the situation and there would have to be a real incentive involved to trade Casspi.
It seemed pretty reasonable, but he did not sugar coat it. It really didn’t read like a hatchet job to me.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
It didn't read like a hatchet job.
It read like someone who had problems with the basketball side of the organization repeatedly and took an opportunity to say that they didn’t do something. He doesn’t have to infer it; he knows people will do it all on their own.
Look, this isn’t an anti-Sam Amick rant. Much of what he said makes sense without any context. Does Michael Beasley make sense for this team? No of course he doesn’t. That’s why the Kings didn’t offer anything for him.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Possible trading partners
Teams improving at least .100 in their past 10 games compared to overall season winning percentage: Detroit, Miami, Orlando, Portland, Golden State, LA Clippers.
Teams declining at least .100 in their past 10 games compared to overall season winning percentage: Boston, New York, Indiana, Cleveland, OKC, LA Lakers, Phoenix.
Some of the teams on the getting better list might be trying to add another piece for the stretch run (Portland?). Same thing with some of the better teams on the getting worse list (Boston, Knicks, OKC, Lakers). Other teams on that list such as Phoenix may start to think more about blowing it up.
"Remember now, patience and stop the whining. This is something we have to endure to get better. We have no choice. Stick with Petrie, stick with Westphal, stick with Tyreke, stick it to the fans."
Portland has 2 mid first round picks this year, as do the Suns. I would like to see the Kings make a deal with one of them for one of those first round picks, even if its late in the first round. We could package Landry or Casspi and our high (possibly 1st pick) of the second round for their late/mid first round pick. This would allow us to draft a mid round PG if Irving goes back to school next year and leave our top pick open for one of the SF or PF prospects like the Jones’.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
What is the plan?
As Kings fans I realize we look at this new cba agreement as the time where we make our move…but for who? The free agent list does not look so great, unless you love Z-Bo or Jamal Crawford. There isn’t a top 15 point guard to be found. Do we hope that our top pick nets Kyrie Irving? Who are the players the Kings front office will be looking to spend money on?
Just my opinion here
But I’d probably ignore the free agents for the most part. If Petrie’s going to chew up some of that cap space, he’s probably going to do it via trade.
For who? With who?
If we do make a trade for a player what contracts do we have to make the trade work? And I am curious at what type of player people think we can get. It looks like point guard and power forward are our needs…is our ceiling Devin Harris and Jeff Greene?
In my opinion, the "for who" and "with who" are unimportant right now
But the logic is basic – the Kings have a larger pool of talent to choose from via trade than they do in free agency. Plus, they have to pay the contracted rate of a player, not a “premium” to get a player to play in this market.
Since the Kings have cap space, a lot of the rules of matching player salaries do not apply. The Kings just absorb the dollars of a contract.
Plus Otis...
…the pool is larger for the Kings this season than just next season when other teams will have cap space and opportunities to trade for players. Also, the Kings, if they decide that there isn’t an offer worth making before the trade deadline will still have their cap space during draft time to make a trade. That’s important to remember too.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
isnt that what they said about the legendary 2010 free agent market where we signed Dalembert for 13mil and have 32mil in cap space left over and the worst record in the NBA?
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ummm homeskillet.
We didn’t sign Dalembert. We traded Spencer Hawes and Andres Nocioni for him. And we don’t have 32 million in cap space but rather about 14 million in cap space. And sparky, we’re the 2nd worst team in the NBA. So you’re 0-3. Thanks for playing and mahalo.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Kings are afraid to pay anyone real money....
The Maloofs look like a deer in the headlights right now imho. Afraid to pull the trigger and bring in talent for Tyreke and DC. Dont think for a second DC and Tyreke wont take this into consideration when its time for them to become free agents. They will sign with teams that surround their talented players with a good support cast and that arnt afraid to spend a few bucks in the process. If not now when? Why suffer yet annother league worst record when we could bring in guys right now that could help the kings win?
Respectfully disagree
Who should they have brought in that they passed on as it pertains to “real money” players? If the Kings have still not utilized their new-found cap space (yes, it is new found…they have only had it this season!) by this time next year, your comment may have more credence.
And you need to relax on Tyreke and Cousins becoming free agents. Tyreke can’t become an unrestricted free agent earlier than 2014, Cousins 2015 (unless the Kings decide not to pick up their options).
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Well we could have A.Jamison, B.Davis, C.Kamen, Mo Peterson are just a few of the players available right now to the kings if we wanted to pick up their contracts. There are many more vets on teams that want to dump salary also.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
Let's look at that list
Jamison makes $13 million this year and $15 million next year. We currently have an undersized power forward making $3 million. No doubt, Jamison is better than Landry. But I don’t think that he is $10 million better. Further, I don’t think he turns this team into a playoff contender.
Davis is owed $13 million this year, followed by $13.9 million and $14.8 million. We just spent the last 3 years getting out of these bloated contracts for marginal players (Davis has not been an upper level pg in this league since 07-08), and now you want to pay out for this guy? No thanks.
Kaman is available if someone wants to give the Clips assets – they aren’t giving him away. So while I might not mind his $12.8/$13.7 million contract, I wouldn’t want to give up much to obtain a guy that has managed to stay healthy only one of the past four seasons.
Mo Peterson has not been a double digit scorer in this league since 05-06. Why pay $6.7 million for him when guys like Ime Udoka are available for league minimum?
Oh, Mo Williams. Same as Kaman. Cleveland is dangling him, but they aren’t giving him away. It should also be noted that Kaman and Williams have been talked about in trades more recently – it’s not like the Kings passed on these guys over the summer, or that some deal was likely offered that they turned down.
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Why pay $6.7 million for him when guys like Ime Udoka are available for league minimum?
Because apparently it’s more important that we spend money rather than not spend money – even if what we buy are elderly, middle of the road players.
All of the players mentioned are upgrades at their position for the Kings lol, its not you that has to pay for them its the Maloofs, who by the way have 32mil in cap space this year making them the absolute lowest paid team in the NBA by a longshot. Its not like we dont have cap space to upgrade our team..
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 4:17 PM PST up reply actions
we paid Dalembert 13mil this year…..Id rahter have paid that to Kamen :P
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
We have Dalembert's expiring contract because
(a) it enabled us to make league minimum for payroll, and (b) it helped get us out of Nocioni’s contract. While I agree that I would rather have had Kaman for Hawes/Nocioni, my guess is that deal was not available.
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agree, they didnt know how brutal Griffin would be at that time :)
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
Or quite frankly it's not worth taking that contract on.
Do you even know anything about the way NBA business works? I mean, like anything about it at all?
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Hes under contract for 2 years at 11mil a year? Why is that such a bad contract?
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Okay so he expires in 2012.
Still ain’t feeling you, and there is no way the Clippers would have taken Nocioni and Hawes to get him.
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No I mean trade for him now, like trade Dalembert and Caspi or future draft pic or something for Kamen, as the Clippers have been looking to get rid of his contract.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
I meant Mo Williams, my bad.
Jamison is 10x better than Landry, hes a several time all star and the leading scorer on the Cavs atm, which isnt saying much I know but still.
Kamen is worth what they want for him, they want to get rid of his contract because of Blake Griffin of course, we could get away with him easier than most people think. Hes a proven big man, all star callibur player.
B Davis ok not so much upside, but is an all star PG with only a few years left on his contract, Irving/lottery pick pg could come off the bench for him untill his deal expires.
Mo Williams to me is the least attractive of these possible aquisitions because of his bad defense, but he only costs 3mil a year more than Beno and is a legit starting NBA PG that can score it from the outside.
I realize none of these guys alone are the solution to the kings problems, but aquiring one of them would adress a weakness the kings have.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
OK
Jamison has been named to the all stars twice, so if twice is your definition of several, you would be correct in your assessment. We are going to have to agree to disagree on your “10x better than Landry assessment.” I think that he is marginally better, certainly not $10 million better than Landry.
Sorry, you’re way to vague for me when you say that Kamen is worth what they want for him. What if they want Cousins or Evans? Is that worth it? Kaman has been in the league for 8 years. He has been healthy for 4 of them. Of those 4 years, he was good 1 of them – last year. I think you put a lot more value in Kaman than I do, and that’s fine. Moving on -
Davis was an all star guard 4 years ago. He is no longer an all star-level guard, though he sure gets paid like one (makes Udrih or Garcia’s contract look like a booger, but that’s another conversation). He is a career 41% shooter from the field, 32% from 3. His best days are well, well behind him. Yuck.
I’m not a major fan of Mo Williams either, but he is probably the most attractive of the players that you have listed here. He does make $17 million over the next two years (after this one), so he is probably not much more than fair value, if that. I wouldn’t give up anything to get him, but I might take him off Cleveland’s hands if they were just looking to unload him.
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Meh @ Mo.
With Beno, I’d just rather keep Beno and look for a G to complement to Tyreke That guy ain’t Mo Williams for whatever it’s worth. And, I also think Beno’s value as a player is creeping higher and higher given how he’s produced this season (and last year honestly). Better than the MLE value you get players with this type of contracts IMO.
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I wouldnt give up DC or Tyreke for any of those guys. I would give up Casspi for Mo Will or Davis because we need a PG so bad.
I like Kamen cause hes a good rebounder, has a good post game, can hit the 15-18ft jumper on a regular basis. When healthy that is, but I am interested because I think the Clippers would let him go pretty easy to rid themselves of his contract.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
Umm hell no.
That’s doing a move out of desperation and that’s just simply stupid.
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Lets say we pick up Davis or Mo Williams, and then draft a pg with our lottery pick. We have Mo or Davis start for the rest of this year. Then our rookie pg comes off the bench for him next year, then thier contract is over and we start our Lottery Pick the next year. Gives our new pick time to mature by comming off the bench a year before he starts for us.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Let's say we stick a stick up our ass and then say we have a stick up our ass.
What do you know, we got a stick up our ass!
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This might be the first time
that I like his idea better than your idea. Though I would probably prefer a stick up my ass than Baron Davis running my team for the next two and half years at $35 million, now that I think about it.
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Give me this...
….when I say that sticking a stick up your ass is cheaper medical bills and all.
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See, this makes no sense to me
Casspi has great value in relation to his contract, while Davis has an albatross of a deal. We’re not talking about 07-08 Davis here, we’re talking about a guy that is statistically inferior to Udrih.
You rail about what Udrih and Garcia are making, and you want to take on the remaining $48 million of Baron Davis’ contract. Let me tell you something – the Clippers would give you Davis tomorrow, gift wrapped, for a 2nd round pick. And I wouldn’t do it. Way, way, way too expensive for the player that Davis has become.
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Oops - $35 million, not $48 million
Still way too much.
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Flog yourself with a noodle 100 times for making a mistake.
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Tyreke Evans 2 yrs remaining on deal
D. Cousins 2 yrs remaining on deal
Casspi 2 years remaining on deal
Thompson 2 years remaning on deal
I dont know where you got your 5 year numbers but ESPN says otherwise.
by Chad Schafer on Jan 17, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I get them
here.Shampsports is a highly regarded site, much more reliable than ESPN. Even DraftExpress bests ESPN.
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Truthfully ESPN just takes it from Mark Deeks now.
Or, with the dude who used to work for Portland (the assistant that got fired whose name I’m blanking on), I think they probably have a better understanding of the cap. It really doesn’t matter though. Mark hasn’t updated his site after all the trades that have happened. Anyway, like you, I prefer Sham to the other sites out there.
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