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How many SF's combo F's do the Kings need on their roster!!!? It seems to me that Francisco, Omri, Donte Greene, Carl Landry, Jason Thompson are all in the same mold. All would be good role players on a good team, but together, making up 5 of our key players, it just doesn't work. Then throw in Samuel Dalembert and Hassan Whiteside, we have two other big guys that just aren't worth their weight.
I'm honestly very confused in the direction Petrie is heading.
Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins are two great building blocks, yet that remains about it. I think Omri Casspi also has a bright future. He is still very young, athletic, and skilled in all aspects of the game. The Kings need to hold onto him; another reason why I'm confused: of all the Kings players that deserve to be on the trading block, Omri is not the one.
With that said, the Kings need to part ways with 4 of the following 6 players: Francisco Garcia, Greene, Landry, Thompson, Dalembert, and Whiteside.
There are plenty of players we could trade for a combo of any of aforementioned players. What we truly need is a true Point Guard and an actual Small Forward. Here are the following players that could be traded for for the combination of Donte Greene, Jason Thompson, and Beno or Francisco, Landry, Whiteside and Beno, etc. etc.
Wizards: PG Kirk Hinrich; PF Andray Blatche
Raptors: PG Jose Caledron
Suns: PF: Channing Frye;
76ers: PG: Lou Williams
Magic: PG: Chris Duhon
Thunder: PF Nick Collison
Knicks: SF: Wilson Chandler; G: Landry Fields
Hornets: SF: Trevor Ariza;
Nets: PF Kris Humpries; PF Troy Murphy
TWolves: PF: Michael Beasley; KEVIN LOVE!
Bucks: PF: Ersan Ilysova
Clippers: SF: Ryan Gomes; C: Chris Kama; SG: Eric Gordon
Pacers: SF: Mike Dunleavy; PG: T.J. Ford; SF: James Posey
Rockets: SF: Chase Budinger;
Warriors: PG: Steph Curry
Pistons: SF: Tayshaun Princ; PF: Charlie Villanueva
Nuggets: Camello!?
Cavs: PG: Mo Williams
Bobcats: PG: D.J Augustin; PF: Boris Diaw;
Hawks: SF: Marvin Williams
Kings Combo Package 1: Beno, Carl Landry, Donte Greene
Kings Combo Package 2: Beno, Francisco, Landry, Whiteside
Kings Combo Package 3: Beno, Greene, Thompson, Landry
Kings Combo Package 4: Landry, Thompson, Beno
We need a true Power Forward, a real PG, or a true SF. Realistically, the only players we could land from the list of possible trademates above are:
Wizards: Hinrich; Blatche.....Raptors: Calderon........Bucks: Ersan Iloysva.......Clippers: Ryan Gomes.......Pacers: Mike Dunleavy; T.J. Ford...........Rockets: Chase Budinger........Pistons: Tayshaun Prince.......Cavs: PG Mo Williams.......
maybe D.J. Augustin? I doubt MJ would part ways with such a young and talented PG. But the package of Beno, Landry and Jason Thompson may be enticing.
My question is, what should we do!?
We need a TRUE PG......we need a REAL SF.......We need a better PF........
Who would you rather have at PG:
Hinrich, Calderon, T.J. Ford, or Mo Williams....or a long shot, D.J. Augustin?
How about at SF:
Ryan Gomes, Mike Dunleavy, James Posey, Chase Budinger, or Tayshaun Prince?
And at PF:
Iloysva, Blatche, Diaw, Collison, Channing Frye??
Imagine this trade: The Sacramento Kings trade Beno Udrich, Carl Landry, Donte Greene and a Future 1st round pick to the Washington Wizards for Kirk Hinrich and Andrey Blatche:
PG: Hinrich
SG: Evans
SF: Casspi/Garcia
PF: Blatche
C:Thompson/Cousins
Bench: Cousins, Garcia, Dalembert, Head, Pooh, Jackson, Whiteside..............
Maybe even, if MJ loses his mind momentairly:
The Sacramento Kings trade: Beno Udrich, Donte Greene, Carl Landry, and a future 2nd Round Pick to the Charlotte Bobcats for DJ Augustin and Boris Diaw
PG: Augustin
SG: Evans
SF: Casspi/Garcia
PF: Thompson/Diaw
C: Cousins/Thompson
Bench: Diaw, Dalembert, Head, Pooh, Jackson, Whiteside
I don't know. I can dream right. The SAD THING is that these trades are realistic. Yet, for the past four years our management just sits on its hands and doesn't make positive moves.
What is the vision of this current roster!? WE NEED TO MAKE MOVES....NOW! Beno can't be our future PG. We can't have 6 interchangeable players that all think they are better than they are.
Lets start it this season with some positive moves. Moves that will set some players in stone at their position. Moves that will influence what we do in the 2011 draft, because face it, we will have a Top 4 pick, and we need to make a splash. Moves that will make our team better and make the Kings fun to watch again.
Please Petrie, I hope you visit Sactown Royalty, I'm sure you do. Please go find the mirror you used to look into around 1999-2002, and remember what you are capable of.
Thank You,
A loyal Kings fan from the Central Coast of California.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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For me it was the implication that Casspi isn't a true 3.
He seems fairly prototypical to me.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 6, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
Yep
I’d love Iggy. But if Casspi isn’t a true 3, I don’t know what you would call him. Also, there is absolutely no reason to trade Whiteside right now. He has little value and a lot of ceiling.
* Dally $13.43 million
* Beno $6.80 million
* Garcia $5.50 million
* Tyreke $3.88 million
* Cousins $3.37 million
* Landry $3 million
* JT $2.18 million
NEK/Coolcat's suggested list of players to trade.
Plus he was picked in part because they view him as the ideal compliment to DMC assuming HW pans out.
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I totally agree SB
I think that Whiteside might (would bold that if I knew how) going to be huge for the Kings down the road. I think that’s one reason he’s being paid well above rookie minimum. He is the epitome of project but on that could be well worth the time. Hang on to him, develop him, forget about him for a while and in two more years he’s going to make JT irrelevant .
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If he didn't lose you at Channing Frye...
…he would have lost you at Chris Duhon.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Lost me at Andray Blatche
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by Aykis16 on Jan 7, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pau Gasol?
I didn’t know you hated Spaniards Aykis!
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Oh yeah I forgot about your hatred of him.
Carry on.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I thought your other anti-fave is
“Danger” Will Sol….
by betweentheeyes on Jan 7, 2011 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Least favorite King of all time
But Najera is my least favorite player
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Will Solomon vs Eddie Najera.
Who loses and why. (You may commence screaming, frothing at the mouth and pure unadulterated hatred now.)
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Michael Jordan's internal dialog.
“We’re gonna be getting rid of these people here… First, Mr. Eduardo Naj … NaJa… NaJa… Not gonna work here anymore, anyway”
by chenp22 on Jan 7, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Lots of work
You did quite a bit of heavy lifting in this thread with lots of prospective moves.
The only thing missing from your analysis (in my opinion) is an emphasis on defensive prowess. I’d like someone who could really help on the defensive side and could guard a few different positions. That’s why I did like the Ariza mention… but there are other defensively strong solutions out there.
I think there’s a very strong likelihood that the prospect of getting a young PG in the draft, eliminates the immediate need for finding a replacement.
I’d like to see us move the guys that we probably cannot resign…Dalembert and Landry. If moving one or both of those guys means we pair them with a younger player with upside, I’ve got no problem with that…provided the goods in return make sense and can make a long term difference as this young team matures.
I’m not really thrilled with any of the names you highlight as “real” candidates either…I hope something happens that comes completely out of left field and has us all excited.
LDM and Kyle_B
LDM: I completely agree with you.
Ariza would be a great fit at the SF…. Then adding a PG in the draft would be perfect. I haven’t been following College Basketball as religiously this season as I normally do, so I’m a bit out of touch with the hottest prospects.
I think Landry and Dalembert should be traded at the deadline.
I was trying to be as realistic as possible in my trade proposals, trying to not let my fanhood outweigh logic.
There aren’t many great fits out there in regards to the pieces the Kings have to trade, but there are a few. I really feel that Hinrich could be had, wether or not Kings fans would welcome that is a different story. But he undoubtedly would be an upgrade from Beno….. and Hinrich would bring some defensive awareness to the guard position, something we haven’t really seen since Doug Christie and his wife.
Kyle_B, the vast majority of potential players I listed in regards to what the Kings have to offer is realistic. I threw Carmello in there because of all the trade talk, and threw Kevin Love in there because of his recent comments about wanting to leave…..Of Course the Kings would have NO CHANCE at getting either.
I also stated that the proposal with the Bobcats would only work if MJ was out gambling, making another Hanes commercial with Charlie Shean, or drafting his son with their lottery pick.
I did the Wizard proposal as an example of numerous routes the Kings can take….And actually I think that trade is fair and would work well for both teams. Plus, the Wizards are actively shopping Blatche.
Blatche can be had. Players like Hinrich, Calderon, Posey, Ford, Dunleavy and Tayshaun Prince….
And while they are not the most attractive names in the NBA by any stretch of the imagination, they are nevertheless upgrades.
Lets make something happen.
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 6, 2011 11:58 PM PST reply actions
That Washington trade is a terrible idea
I don’t think that Hinrich is an upgrade over Udrih, I think he would end up being a lateral move. Udrih is a good player and I think he’s a good fit for the Kings, swapping Hinrich for him would not have a significant impact on the team. And why would you want Blatche? He’s a talented player, but also a headcase. He got in a fight with JaVale Mcgee in front of a nightclub on Christmas Eve for goodness sakes! Why in the world would you ever think it’s a halfway decent idea to pair him with Cousins? Why do you think the Wiz are so eager to rid themselves of an uber-athletic, 6’11 PF who is under contract until 2015? Because the risk is not worth the reward. Having him in the Kings locker room is the worst thing you could do for this already very young team.
Also, like you say yourself, Carmleo & Love aren’t realistic options. Neither is the Bobcats deal as you also just wrote in this post.
In other words, I still don’t think your proposed trades are realistic.
I just used Blatche as an example
Undoubtedly the Wiz would want the Kings to take on a player with some baggage, so I figured I would put him into the equation – he perhaps has more baggage than Southwest Airlines.
But I do agree with you, Blatche would be horrible for Cousins. And again, in hindsight, I wouldn’t want Blatche on the Sacramento Kings.
However, I think Hinrich is a real upgrade at the PG position, and that is why I used the trade example with the Wizards. I would like a player like him running our PG show.
1.) It would work for both teams, and
2.) I think it makes us better
Yes, The Bobcats deal is also highly highly unlikely…as I wrote. But, I could write out a half-dozen realistic trade proposals that make us better at the PG and that we could realistically do by trading Beno, Greene, and a combination of Garcia or Thompson or Landry and a combo of a future 2nd or 1st round pick….
How about this one:
We trade Beno, Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, and a 2012 2nd round pick to the Toronto Raptors for Jose Calderon and Amir Johnson….
again, just an example off the top of my head, but that has to be fair, no? And would you rather have Calderon’s toughness at PG….Or would you rather have Beno’s finesse?
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 7, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
I'll still take Udrih
Udrih is due roughly $6.5 mil next year, $6.9 the next and has a $7.3 player option for the 2012-13 season. Calderon on the other hand is on the hook for roughly $9.8 mil next year and $10.5 the next. For the record, I do like Calderon a little more that Udrih. However I’d rather pay Udrih about $20.7 mil for the next 3 years instead of giving Calderon $20.3 over the next 2. And this not counting the $2.5 mil more that Calderon is making this season. I do like Calderon slightly more than Udrih, but I don’t think it’s worth this much money.
In the trade you are suggesting, the Kings would be taking on an extra $4.5 million this season and another $31.8 million over the next two years for Johnson and Calderon. Johnson is also under contract for $6.5 million for the 2013-14 season (he also has an unguaranteed year for $7 mil in 2014-15). On the flipside, Thompson, Greene & Udrih (assuming all options are picked up) will make roughly $25.6 mil over the next 2 seasons.
So basically over the next 2 years, the Kings would be on the hook for an additional $6.2 million for Calderon/Johnson if they made this trade. And don’t forget that Johnson is due $6.5 in 2013-14. I just don’t see the justification for adding these 2 players for an additional $12.7 million in commitments. I’d rather have Udrih/Thompson/Greene and save the money and the 2nd round pick.
You have to remember that money is arguably the biggest issue for the Maloofs right now and I doubt they want to add that much salary for players that are comparable to what they would be giving up.
agree on the money
money is key for the Maloofs at this point
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 8, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'm on the fence on Blatche but thought this was interesting
Why do you think the Wiz are so eager to rid themselves of an uber-athletic, 6’11 PF who is under contract until 2015?
Change the date on the contract, and call the Wizards the Bullets again, and it kind of sounds familiar.
That said, I don’t think we need Blatche’s talents when we already have the guy who according to C-Webb is already copying Vlade, and yah Kirk doesn’t make me anymore excited about our PG spot than Beno already does.
by Gilo424 on Jan 7, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
They should not trade Garcia.
Tyreke looks up to him and i really believe Garcia is key in Evans growth as a player and human. After Reke hit that amazing shot and jumped on the table he went and looked for Garcia. Tyreke looks up to him and Garcia has been there for Evans through his struggles this year. I honestly believe Moving Garcia hurts this team. There’s not much vetran leadership or maturity on this team Garcia needs to stay. Greene and Landry are the 2 i want to see moved.
I agree
I really don’t understand why Garcia is on the trading block. Is it because the Kings are paying him “too much” or something? He’s one of our best shooters on this team and is an all-round glue guy/dirty work player.
You lost me at the second sentence.
It seems to me that Francisco, Omri, Donte Greene, Carl Landry, Jason Thompson are all in the same mold.
No, they’re really not. Cisco, Omri, and to some extent Donté are set shooters and cutters, comfortable stepping out beyond the arc to knock down a three, or taking a quick pass as they’re running baseline for a lay-up.
JT and Landry are in-the-paint hustle guys with limited range.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 7, 2011 8:15 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
You lost me with a mundane response
what’s the point of responding with:
“You lost me at Channing Frye”
Or
“You lost me at the second sentence”
If I am correct, the point wasn’t that all of those players have the same exact game…it was that all of those players are unlikely to develop into difference makers. That they would all be great role players, sixth man, or perhaps even a starter on a championship level team, but never a featured or highly relied upon offensive option.
So if they are unlikely to develop into a difference maker…then why not include any or all of them if a difference maker can be had via trade. You don’t move Casspi for ANYONE, but you don’t label him as untouchable either…at least not yet, in my opinion.
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Did you just say they might be starters on a Championship level team? Because I’m pretty sure that’s what we want, in the end.
Just saying.
We don’t particularly need a featured or highly relied upon offensive option right now; Tyreke and Cousins will both develop into great players, given time and patience, and Casspi will be a particularly good third option in a couple years. We aren’t relying on Landry, JT, Greene and Cisco to carry a heavy offensive load; we’re asking them to play solid D, hit open shots, and don’t make stupid mistakes.
The one thing I would agree with you on is that we should trade one of Casspi, Cisco, or Greene—preferably the latter, since Casspi is already better than Donte, and Cisco is the closest thing we have to a veteran voice.
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by Donovan Jeska on Jan 7, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
I'm quite sure that the Kings are going to look at trading one or two of...
…JT, Donte, Dalembert or Landry. It wouldn’t shock me in the slightest.
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Moving Landry/Dalembert all depends on what we do between now and the deadline
Sam is unhappy with his reduced role. Carl hates losing. I like both of them, but I don’t see us signing either of them if we don’t pick up a significant number of wins between now and the deadline. There are contenders who could use their services, and if we don’t have a chance to re-sign them, then we HAVE to move them before the deadline so that we don’t lose them for nothing. Essentially, it would mean we gave up Hawes and KMart for nothing. Thats the kind of thing that more and more fans would start calling for GP’s head over. I’m not one of them, but it would certainly loosen my hold on the Petrie bandwagon.
Absolutely.
I expect Landry and Dalembert to be shipped out by the deadline, and—with a little luck—Donte with them. If we can get a strong Point Guard and an adequate big man to replace Landry, I’ll be satisfied.
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by Donovan Jeska on Jan 7, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Donte is the odd-man-out
but I’m not sure about his trade value. He’s proven to be inconsistent at both ends of the floor.
I really like Cisco as the starting 3 and Casspi backing him up. Eventually I think Casspi can become our starting 3, he just needs to work on his defense. I agree that Cisco is the closest thing we have to a veteran voice on the team, and it seems he and Tyreke have really bonded. I’d hate to break that up.
Out of context much?
If you’re going to quote me, please do it correctly. What I said was, “Nice effort, but you lost me at Channing Frye.” So I did compliment the post for the effort, but I felt that any post that suggests acquiring a guy that makes Spencer Hawes look like an interior presence a bit suspect.
And while I agree with your concept of moving “non-difference makers” for “difference makers,” I’m not really sure how one accomplishes such a feat.
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Comedy... somehow I misquoted you?
Really? It’s not as if the spirit of your response was lost. You invalidated his post with a short reply…not much context to misconstrue…
The dude writes a book and you say “nice effort, but you lost me at Channing Frye” Why even respond? He didn’t even mention Channing Frye as a realistic trade option.
How does one accomplish such a feat?
You’re telling me that you can’t think of a SINGLE example where non-difference makers were exchanged for a difference maker? I guess you missed that Pau Gasol trade…it kind of changed the Western Conference… We could have gotten Michael Beasley last year for a second round pick and future swap of 1st round picks, according to the rumor mill…and it would seem as though that has gone pretty well for Minnesota…unless you don’t think the 20+pts and 6 rebounds would be useful on this team.
History suggests that if you pair a significant expiring shot blocking big man like Dalembert, or a 6th man talent like Landry, along with young players with upside… good things can happen.
Yes
The “dude” wrote a book, and I wrote, “Nice effort, but you lost me at Channing Frye.” I repsonded because I wanted to applaud the effort, if not the text. This happens on occasion at StR – people post things, and then others respond. That is what I did here. If you somehow misinterpreted that, I suppose that is your problem and not mine.
Back to the Kings – good day.
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Well, given that this is the Urban Dictionary definition of Bob Lablah -
The guy in the group that no one generally cares to hear the opinion of.
The social retard that enters a good conversation and fucks it up for everyone else.
I can take this in no other way than as a personal insult, which is not permitted here at StR. I’d probably find the humor in the Arrested Development reference if it was coming from someone that I knew better, but I don’t feel like accepting it from you. Please read this if you have not already.
You’ve been a good member since joining a month ago, and since your disagreement is with me, I won’t level a warning (I would have had you taken this approach with another member). If, after reading the post that I attached, you have any questions or wish to discuss this further, please email me at section214rh@gmail.com.
Thanks, have a great day, and go Kings.
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Ok
Since I don’t know you, it certainly wasn’t meant as a personal insult. It was the Arrested Development reference, that you knew it was, but you didn’t feel like accepting it from me.
Perhaps you’ll accept future attempts at humor.
Thanks, you have a great day as well
by LDM on Jan 8, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
You understand you're arguing with a site mod, right?
More importantly, the one who most often has the banhammer in his hands.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 8, 2011 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Or only it seems like these days.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 8, 2011 10:28 PM PST up reply actions
We need role players.
We need guys like Omri, Landry, JT, Donté and Cisco who can be effective role players, guys who don’t need the ball to be a necessary part of the offense, who can spread the floor, and who can be part of the supporting cast around Evans and Cousins.
All but Donté are, right now, good offensive options, albeit on a sub-par team. Let’s see where the rest of the season goes before we ship them out.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jan 7, 2011 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why?
With that said, the Kings need to part ways with 4 of the following 6 players: Francisco Garcia, Greene, Landry, Thompson, Dalembert, and Whiteside.
I can see reasons for parting with Dalembert, possible cost/contract reasons for parting ways with Landry, but everyone else on that list is playing on the cheap and of dubious trade value, except El Flaco, and Cisco is still of dubious trade value due to his contract.
I’m not a fan of making moves just to make them. I can see wanting to improve from some of these players, but then, why isn’t Beno on that list? We could improve from his play at the ‘other guard’ position too.
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by wallywagon11 on Jan 7, 2011 10:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Those are fun until you go about 10 years
and none of your players have faces or names you recognize anymore.
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by caseycheesecake on Jan 7, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
or just edit the players every 5-6 years and make them younger lol
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by Portland's Cowboy fan on Jan 7, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Nice article, a lot of big thinking!
But I like where we are at the moment. As someone mentioned in another post, we’re close to having a ton of room in our cap, an advantage we haven’t had in quite some time. With the exception of trading maybe Top Hat/Dally, I’m in favour of GP maintaining the status quo. We’re essentially watching our team grow right in front of our eyes, which is very okay with me. Patience is the key to rebuilding, and once we can get through these tough (and sometimes fun) times, the grass will be a whole lot greener!
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Is it just me or does it seem like he wants to trade our role players for another teams role players?
I mean there’s nothing wrong with that if it benefits both teams. My problem is you say “these guys are nothing but role players so we should trade them” Then you put forth a list of role players who you want to trade them for.
Anyways that said I like the idea of Kirk Hinrich & Andre Blatche.
Hinrich is a good defender, ball handler, & has improved his 3pt shot. Could be a very nice complement to Tyreke in the backcourt. Basicly Beno with defense. I just don’t see the Kings spending $9 mil on him when the could have had Luke Ridnour for $4 mil.
Andre Blatche would be great next to Cousins in the front court. My only concern would be how volitile he is. Him & Cousins on the same team could make OJ Mayo vs Tony Allen look like a pillow fight.
Right now I would say Reke & Cousins obviously are untouchable. Omri should be close & Cisco should be until we either find another leader or one of our core guys steps up. That could take a while so I say keep Cisco. Beno really shouldn’t be traded just because he has a bad contract. He should only be traded if we find a replacement for what he does. Otherwise we are left with the nightmare of a Tyreke/Luther Head backcourt.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jan 7, 2011 12:16 PM PST via mobile reply actions
In my opinion--for what it's worth---
…Cisco should be until we either find another leader or one of our core guys steps up.
We need a veteran leader that can also run our offense in crunch time. Billups comes to mind. A veteran voice that leads by example when the game is on the line. Yes, we have our two up-and-coming studs that are great in the clutch, but I want them to continue to learn from someone, rather than picking it up as they go. Cisco’s 6.whatever mil contract should not be kept around simply for his leadership. I love cisco, but if we can upgrade that leadership role, pull the trigger.
I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues. To the logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to underestimate one’s self is as much a departure from truth as to exaggerate one’s own powers.
--Holmes, on Modesty
by Donovan Jeska on Jan 7, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
No on Blatche.
Hell no. That cat is not needed. He doesn’t even really provide, when he’s going right and all is well in Blatche world, what the Kings actually need anyway.
I don’t like Blatche’s attitude though. That’s just as important as his style of play for me right now. As far as Hinrich, I think the Wiz like him and don’t want to give him up because their season isn’t going as hoped.
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Could not agree more
Like I said above, I don’t think there’s a worse idea than pairing Blatche with Cousins. Why add such an immature player to a team that is so young to begin with? The risk is too high.
true, Blatche is a nut
again, just an example, and again, in hindsight, a HORRIBLE choice. Perhaps the worst trade proposal I’ve made (except for the Hinrich part)… And I’ve been writing out trade proposals on my homework since I was in middle school and we had Tariq Abdul-Wahad and Kevin Ollie.
I wouldn’t want Blatche playing with Cousins and I wouldn’t want him in SacTown, and I wouldn’t want him driving down to Davis and hitting on the College girls and then making the news by fitting some Frat boy outside of The Grad.
But I do really think Hinrich, or a similar Point Guard, is the way to go.
Just my opinion.
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 7, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
*fighting some frat boy
not fitting, which nevertheless would be news worthy
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 7, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
I like JT
as our 3rd big…..Esp. because he can play the 4 and the 5. And i like how he and Cousins have grown close. If we could keep Cousins, Casspi, Reke, and JT i’d be happy! Again if the right package came around i could part with JT but I think Cousins, Casspi/top 3 pick, and Reke would be our big 3.5 lol
Role Players, The Waiting Game, and Francisco Garcia
Don’t get me wrong, I know that the backbone of any good team is its role players. We need role players to be good in the future, just like anyone else.
And I do see the value of holding onto Jason Thompson…I think he would do better if our team was a bit more rounded out, and I still feel he can improve.
However, the ultimate message I was trying to get across, and what I truly believe is the problem with our beloved Kings, is that of the current 12 man roster about 6 of them are interchangeable role players. They all serve the same role, give or a take a slashing 3 combo forward here (Greene), an Energetic Shooter there (Casspi/Garcia) and an 4 that rebounds slightly better and bangs down low (Thompson).
I love watching the young players progress. I think Reke and DeMarcus have bright futures, and I’m also a huge fan of Omri’s upside.
Yet, I just don’t think Landry, Donte Greene, and Francisco will ever get any better than they are right now. They are all good players, and would serve good roles on contending teams….I could see Francsico being a great player off of the Chicago Bulls bench, I could see Donte Greene providing a lot of energy and a nose for the basket on a team like the Bucks, Thunder, Jazz, or Celtics. And I could see Carl Landry playing big minutes off of the bench for a team like the Spurs, Celtics, Jazz, or Mavs.
However, on our team, these players all wash each other out.
(With the exception of Francisco’s leadership, which I do value, and which is evident to all who watch the games.)
However, if we were to somehow make an upgrade, I wouldn’t be opposed to holding onto Thompson and Garcia if we could do it by simply getting rid of Beno, Landry, Dalembert, and Donte Greene.
With the logjam at the 3 and 4, I still feel that our bigger problem is a true Point Guard that can compliment Tyreke’s game. That is why I suggested Kirk Hinrich, who is a realistic option (meaning we have the right players to make a trade), and who would bring defense to the guard position and who would play a more traditional PG, allowing Evan’s to explore more scoring options in the half court game.
Hinrich, and all of the other players I listed (besides Love and Carmello) are the realistic trade options of each team in the NBA. I went through every team, and only listed teams that have a player they would be willing to trade for what we have, a team that would be willing to trade with us in the 1st place, and a trade that would make sense for both teams — that is why not every team is listed.
Then I said that only a few are truly obtainable, and only a few are true upgrades: Tayshaun Prince, Iloysva, Calderon, Dunleavy, TJ Ford, Hinrich, Mo Williams, and James Posey.
I would love to trade 3 of our role players for one of these guys, and I think it can be done, perhaps without throwing in a future draft pick. And I would love to trade Beno…..I can truly see a fair trade between both teams working out…Calderon, Ford, Prince, Hinrich…..
Yet, I also see a tiny bit of logic in waiting it out…
We are undoubtedly heading for a Top 4 pick in the 2011 NBA DRAFT.
And there are some nice players out there. According to NBADRAFT.NET , the Top 5 prospects for the 2011 NBA Draft are:
1.) Perry Jones 6-11 SF Freshmen from Baylor
2.) Kyrie Irving 6-2 PG Freshmen from Duke
3.) Terrence Jones 6-8 SF Freshmen from Kentucky
4.) Jared Sullinger 6-9 PF Freshmen from Ohio St.
5.) Derrick Willaims 6-9 PF Soph from Arizona
Perry Jones, Kyrie Irving, and Jared Sullinger would all make me very happy. I’ve watched a view Ohio St. games, and Sullinger is the truth at Power Forward. I’ve also seen Perry Jones highlight film on YouTube, and wow, the kid is athletic. Though I do remember watching him play once and he was very very raw…..But then again, I remember watching JaVale McGee live in College and thinking that I could check him (I’m 6-0), he literally traveled on every single possession and had no knowledge of the low post game…yet, look how far he has come.
With that said, I also took a look at the Free Agent Class of 2011, and man is it dull.
The biggest impact players out there are: Caron Butler (Unrestricted), Tayshaun Prince (Unrestricted), Aaron Brooks (Restricted), DeAndre Jordan (Restricted), Wilson Chandler (Restricted), Jeff Green (Restricted), Al Thorton (Restricted), and Andrei Kirilenko (Unrestricted)
Now, if we could somehow outbid the Houston Rockets for Aaron Brooks, or the Thunder for Jeff Green, I would be all for that! I think those two signing alone (given our cap space next year), would be pieces that fit right into the puzzle. I highly doubt that the Thunder will not match any offer on Jeff Green, so I say we go the route of an Andrei Kirilenko or Tayshaun Prince…..They immediately start at our SF.
If we don’t address the PG position through a sign or a trade, then we pray that we land Kyrie Irving in the draft — meaning that we draw out with either the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd pick in the 2011 NBA Draft. Though I also saw some intriguing names listed to land later in the draft at the PG position: Josh Shelby, Kemba Walker, Brandon Knight, Nolan Smith, Jimmer Fredette, LaceDarius Dunn, Shelvin Mack, and Corey Fisher…..Though I don’t really see any of them being impact players.
Sorry to stray from my initial point though….Which is, I’m tired of sitting and waiting for this vision Petrie apparently has. When the Kings can realistically upgrade this season by the trade deadline, let our young core mature, and then land at least 1 or 2 good players in the 2011 Free Agency and with our Lottery Pick.
So, lets part ways with Greene, Landry, Dalembert, and Beno this midseason, and hopefully land a true PG or a defensive SF in the mold of a Tayshaun Prince.
Then we can address blatant holes in the roster with a nice 2011 Free Agent, and a smart pick in the draft.
Again, just for the sake of speculation, 2 Visions for the 2011 Sacramento Kings:
Vision 1: Address a SF this midseason with a trade of Beno, Landry, Greene, Dalembert, and a future 2nd round pick, then sign a PG (like Brooks) in 2011 and draft a Power Forward (Sullinger):
PG: Aaron Brooks; Tyreke
SG: Tyreke; Garcia
SF: Tayshaun Prince; Omri Casspi; Garcia
PF: Jason Thompson; Jared Sullinger
C: Demarcus Cousins; Whiteside
Vision 2: Address the PG this midseason with a trade of Beno, Greene, Landry, and a future 2nd round pick for a player like Kirk Hinrich or TJ Ford; sign a SF in the offseason like Andrei Kirilenko or Wilson Chandler; and draft the best available PG (hopefully Kyrie Irving with the 1st or 2nd pick):
PG: Hinrich; Kyrie Irving
SG: Tyreke; Garcia
SF: Kirilenko; Casspi; Garcia
PF: Thompson
C: Cousins; Whiteside
Again, the two roster examples are simply examples. I THINK there are lots of positive ways we can go.
And, let me just say, I love Sactown Royalty. I should be writing my personal statement right now to get into Law School, but instead I’m envisioning the future of the Sacramento Kings! WELL WORTH IT!
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 7, 2011 2:33 PM PST reply actions
Be careful DaRubiesSLOKingsA's
If you rosterbate too much you’re going to go blind.
"I say man up, take care for your fabric and get wooden hangers." ~ carlsbadace
At least his soul will feel better.
Stop hatin Wally.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
by pookeyguru on Jan 7, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
hey there is nothing wrong with a littler rosterbating
"I say man up, take care for your fabric and get wooden hangers." ~ carlsbadace
I think
Small Forward Palooza is the new in thing in the NBA think about it. Way too many teams have way too many small forwards. I wonder if this all happened by accident??
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not sure about that
the depth at that position is actually not all that great compared to yesteryear. You look past Lebron, Durat, Granger, Gay, Iggy, and Melo and it gets pretty wacky. Not bad but not exactly great. SF has always been fairly deep. It just seems like a lot because there are a lot of tweener forwards (but there always are)
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My girlfriend has been extremely busy lately with grad school and work, so sadly, ROSTERBATION is all I have right now.
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Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Jan 8, 2011 11:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Just saw this at Brightsideofthesun and had to link. Pretty funny.
How to Stop Rosterbating 101 …
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
The nice thing about rosterbation
is that it causes blindness…and then your current roster doesn’t look nearly as bad.
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by section214 on Jan 8, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

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