Big Men Scoring Vs. Assist Rate
How important is playmaking and creating assists to the Center and PF game? I created a data base that included all PFs and Centers who have played in 20+ games and averaged at least 15+ MPG. The charts show the Field Goals Attempted and Made at the Rim. What the shooting percentages were at the rim and what percentage of the Made FG’s were assisted. And here are some of the facts that I found.
Of the top 32 Centers and 40 PFs, the Kings had 4 players among those with the lowest percentage of assisted baskets. And of the 10 players who have the least amount of assisted baskets only DeMarcus, Carl, JT, and Chris Bosh scored above the league average FG% of 66.1% at the rim. Here’s the top 10.
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Games |
MPG |
FGM/40 |
FGA/40 |
FG% |
Ast % |
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PF |
32 |
25.8 |
3.8 |
5.2 |
72.2 |
32.1 |
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C |
35 |
17.9 |
0.5 |
1.2 |
44.4 |
37.5 |
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PF |
29 |
26.4 |
2.1 |
3.9 |
54.7 |
39.0 |
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C |
27 |
20.4 |
2.8 |
4.3 |
66.1 |
41.0 |
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PF |
32 |
27.4 |
2.9 |
4.1 |
71.9 |
42.2 |
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C |
31 |
27.2 |
3.5 |
5.6 |
62.7 |
45.9 |
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C |
30 |
19.8 |
2.0 |
4.3 |
46.9 |
46.7 |
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C |
33 |
18.7 |
2.2 |
3.5 |
63.0 |
47.1 |
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PF |
34 |
34.0 |
2.4 |
3.7 |
66.0 |
47.1 |
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PF |
37 |
35.5 |
2.1 |
3.1 |
69.3 |
47.1 |
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League Average |
NBA |
C |
31 |
26.5 |
2.0 |
3.0 |
65.4 |
61.7 |
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League Average |
NBA |
PF |
32 |
28.4 |
2.1 |
3.2 |
66.1 |
60.2 |
Due to the differences in Minutes per Game, the FGA’s and Made FG’s were adjusted to 40 MPG so that scoring could be compared. As you can see the league averages for both the Center and PF are very similar so I’m using the PF numbers as my baseline.
Of the 21 players with a FG% at the rim above the league average of 66.1%, DeMarcus has the lowest number of assisted baskets at 32.1%, JT has the 2nd lowest at 41%, and Carl has the 3rd lowest at 42.2%. Players 4-6 have assist rates in the upper 40’s, 7-11 have assist rates in the upper 50’s and the remaining 10 players all had an assist rate above the league average of 60.2%.
Out of the 72 players I charted only 8 players besides DMC, JT & Carl were able to shoot at a higher FG% than the league average while being below average in assisted baskets. They are Chris Bosh, Amir Johnson, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Dwight Howard, Al Horford, Lamar Odom, Darko Milicic, and Pau Gasol.
Of the 10 players with the highest FGM at the rim per 40 minutes only Zack Randolph and DeMarcus have an assist rate more than 10% below the league average. Howard , Odom, Stoudemire and Bogut, all of who are All-Stars were the only other players below the league average Ast% of 60.2%
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Games |
MPG |
FGM/40 |
FGA/40 |
FG% |
Ast % |
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C |
24 |
21.4 |
6.4 |
8.6 |
74.5 |
82.9 |
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C |
29 |
31.7 |
4.9 |
6.6 |
74.2 |
69.6 |
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C |
30 |
17.6 |
4.5 |
7.5 |
59.6 |
67.8 |
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C |
32 |
35.5 |
4.4 |
6.0 |
74.1 |
55.6 |
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PF |
35 |
35.1 |
4.4 |
6.0 |
73.9 |
57.4 |
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PF |
31 |
36.3 |
4.3 |
6.8 |
63.9 |
48.4 |
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PF |
34 |
37.6 |
4.2 |
6.4 |
65.4 |
59.0 |
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C |
35 |
31.7 |
4.0 |
5.5 |
71.9 |
80.9 |
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C |
26 |
35.6 |
3.9 |
6.4 |
60.8 |
54.4 |
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PF |
32 |
25.8 |
3.8 |
5.2 |
72.2 |
32.1 |
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League Average |
NBA |
PF |
32 |
28.4 |
2.1 |
3.2 |
66.1 |
60.2 |
Of the top 21 Centers in FGA’s at the rim, only DeMarcus (32.1%), JT (41%), Sammy (46.7%), and JaVale McGee (45.9%) have an assisted basket percentage below 50%. Four others have an Ast% between 50-55%, and four other have between 55-60%.
Conclusion: Only 5 players, who aren’t an All-Star, are shooting at a high percentage at the rim without having at least the league average in assisted baskets. The All-Stars that have done it so far this season are Chris Bosh, Lamar Odom, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Dwight Howard, Pau Gasol and Al Horford. And, the non-stars that have done it are DeMarcus, Carl, JT, Amir Johnson, Darko Milicic.
One might assume that DeMarcus, Carl and JT have such high FG%’s because of their offensive rebounding. But, Dalembert has the 2nd highest Offensive Rebounding Rate (ORR) among centers and the 2nd worst FG%. Cousins is 11th in ORR while JT ranks 20th and below the league average. Carl ranks 18th among PF’s although he does rebound better than both the Center and PF average and about 0.7% better than JT. So, the only possible answer for their high FG% at the rim, considering that they get the fewest assisted baskets and they aren’t exceptional Offensive rebounders, is that they are able to create their own shot around the rim and make them at a high rate.
Brendon Haywood leads everyone in FG% at the rim with 75.9%, and DeMarcus and Carl are already shooting around 72% at the rim. So their FG% might not increase all that much if they were to get more assisted baskets, but it would definitely help JT (66.1%) and Sammy (46.9%) could really use the help.
But, DeMarcus is only 17th in FGA’s, JT is 25th in FGA’s, Dalembert is 27th, and Carl is 31st. So, it seems like we have room to increase our scoring at the rim, if we had more playmaking that created more easy assisted baskets for our 4 top bigs. Just how many more Assisted Baskets would each player have to get to bring them in line with the League Average? Cousins would need 2, and the other 3 would need 1 each for a total of 5 more baskets or 10 more points in the paint per game. Although that would make the Kings #1 in Made Baskets at the rim and #2 in Attempts at the rim, so around 3 is probably more realistic.
The upside is that in spite of our youth, we have 3 very good and efficient bigs who play at the rim as well as most of the top All-Stars in the league. The downside is that DeMarcus barely ranks in the top 40 among Centers and PFs in creating assists for his teammates with a 1.6 APG average, and the other 3 aren’t even in the top 50 with APG around 0.7. So, they really aren’t helping each other, and that means that unless they can improve that part of their game, the assists are going to have to come from the guards and SF’s. And right now, Beno ranks 34th among guards in assists at the rim and Tyreke ranks 39th. Donte ranks 31st among SF’s and Omri ranks 33rd, but their assist rate is less than 0.5 per game so it doesn’t look like they can help much unless they start driving to the basket more. And, that doesn’t seem to be in PW’s game plan for the SF position.
The immediate solution would appear to be run more plays to get open shots for our PFs and Centers. Alley-oops, back screens and pick & rolls are the first things that come to mind. Definitely, we need more emphasis on passing inside rather than always kicking out deep from Tyreke. And maybe, the eventual answer is to acquiring a playmaking PG. Until then we should be very happy that we are lucky enough to have such outstanding bigs as DeMarcus, Carl, and JT.
Note: This data was compiled before the Denver game in which Tyreke had 12 assists and 4 of the 12 were at the rim. Even so, DMC, JT, Carl & Sam were 6 of 9 at the rim with 3 assisted baskets for a Ast% of 50% which is still below the league average of 60.2%.
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Excellent analysis - definitely rec'd
The only thing that jumped out at me is that DMC’s assist rate doesn’t reflect his abilities.
In the first part of the year they didn’t put him in that role or have him pass and distribute the ball. Can’t understand that at all given the Summer League passing, which rocked, but in the last 8 games they have been running plays through him and his assist rate has gone up from 1.6 to 2.6 apg.
That has to rank him up there higher and this is only beginning to touch on his potential.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Just checked
Having 2.6 apg puts him tied for 4th among Centers.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
well in the summer league he was also turning the ball over like crazy along with the passes
so I can somewhat understand them being reluctant with him handling the ball too much in the high post. Seemed like they went with Landry in that role and didn’t work so much.
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As I tried to point out, quantity is good but it's all about location, location , location
Over the last 5 games DeMarcus has averaged 2.8 asg. But, he only has 1 ast at the rim in 2 of those games, none in 2 others, and 3 in the 5th game. Thats 5 in 5 games at the rim, where we shot 65% as a team. From inside 10ft we only shot 37.5%, from 10-15 ft we shot 33.2%, from 15-23 ft we shot 36.4%, and from beyond the arc we shot 33.5%.
I’m not suggesting that it’s simple to get easy assisted baskets at the rim, only that we shot at almost twice the percentage there. So, if we could find a way of dishing inside rather then kicking out for the long 2 or 3, we’re twice as likely to get a basket.
I guess before I could get really excited about DMC’s increase from 1.6 to 2.6 I’d have to know how may of those kick outs didn’t result in a basket. If it took 3 or more kickouts to improve his average by 1 assist, we might have been better off having his take the shot himself since he’s shooting over 70% at the rim on his own.
One of the skills I’d like both DMC and Carl to develop is the repost especially when they see the double coming. Many of his passes out of the double team are all the way to the other side of the court and that leads to steals and balls throne out of bounds. You can sometimes catch the doubler in no man’s land, when you give up the ball and he goes back to his man and you reposition your self and get the ball back.
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All excellent points HT. This really is an awesome post.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I would add
That DMC’s missed assists, IMO, are more on his teammates than they are on him. The missed shots come from them not expecting his pass. Landry has missed a few and the surprise was evident on his face. DMC is passing into the post when he gets doubled and that has been to a cutting guard or two the other big. I think this really is a huge improvement from past plays.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I don't quite see the point in focusing on the missed assists and whose fault they are
unless one thinks what happens with Cousins is atypical in that regard.
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I don't know either...
I guess the thought might be that if their assists result in too many TOs or missed shots that they just are not that good at passing the ball. I don’t see that with DMC. His passes are usually money.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Yes please!
Post, get the ball, kick it it out, repost and get it back in even better position! Carl especially who as his Asst % shows has about half the assists of league average, not just his year, but in his career.
This is potentially a strength of the team, our inside game. In the half court we need to focus on getting these things done.
The problem I see is that spacing-wise when a big has the ball in the post there is rarely a wing or guard behind them that they can kick it out to. Watch, there is usually no easy pass for our bigs to make. The other guys are standing and watching – and usually not right behind the big who’s trying to post with his back to the basket. This makes the re-post almost impossible.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 9, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
so true
This team has no Princeton in it. It is a two point triangle. It oftens seems to me that the offense is a series of Iso’s. I feel like I am watching 80’s basketball – Carl is Charles, DMC is Ewing and Tyreke is Dominque.
It is of course, easy to criticize. The offense is looking better of late with more kick outs and some open man passing around the perimeter – Cisco and Omri seem to be looked for as by choice not by last resort.
As the patience preacher may have discussed with the Small Sample Institute – baby steps.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 9, 2011 7:26 AM PST up reply actions
Not only has the offense looked better it is better.
Our offensive efficiency for the season is 99.0, and in the last 7 games we’ve only had one game with an efficiency under 101.0 and that was the loss in Denver.
I also think you & lttg made a very good observation. When we get the ball into DeMarcus, it’s really only the 1-4 Flat at a 90 degree rotation from Tyreke being out at the top of the Key. And, last season it was the same play only with Carl.
I don’t know why PW hasn’t implemented some type of options off of those plays other than running Beno around DMC and going baseline. I think there are all sorts of options that aren’t that difficult to run off of that play. Backscreens on DMC’s man, Beno backscreening the other bigs man so he can roll to the paint for a pass from DMC, and all sorts of slashes to the rim coming off weakside screens.
Other than getting masses amounts of one on one experience, I don’t see much sense in so many iso’s. I don’t believe the plays are too difficult for the players to learn.
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Yes but what if the players are asked to run a play and then don't?
How do you deal with that HT?
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Fire the coach and get one they'll listen to, but you knew the answer.
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Yeah.
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Insubordination? Wow that's a pretty big jump even for you.
I think it’s more inexperience or poor coaching or both, but your entitled to your opinion.
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I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
It’s a simple dynamic: The NBA is a players league. Sometimes though, catering to them doesn’t make them better and can make them worse.
I get that you don’t agree, but then again, I think your Donaghy avatar is stupid too. (Not necessarily because you have it.) What do i know?
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Na, I'm not that cute
It came with my tag line
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nice data collection Coach HT. Wonderful research and data. Thanks. Rec’d
I think the problem is twofold.
As you pointed out, our guards are not very good at passing. They settle for kicking it out to the perimeter because it’s much easier than finding an open man in the paint when it’s congested.
But if Tyreke isn’t exactly Steve Nash, then Carl and DMC aren’t exactly Shawn Marion and Amare Stoudemire cutting the the basket either. DMC and Carl both seem more comfortable creating their own shot than cutting to the rim for a gimme. With DMC’s ability to create his own shot, I actually don’t have a problem with that, but we could use some more cutters on the team elsewhere.
I agree, both Carl & DMC are excellent at creating their own shot.
I hoped that I made that clear with the numbers. But, I also wanted to point out that none of our bigs are very good at setting up each other, so it’s not just the PG’s fault.
But for all of our size and considering that we are strongest at the 4/5 positions, we only have 1 player in the top 25 in field goal attempts at the rim not counting Tyreke. And, DMC is ranked 17th and he’s shooting over 70% from there. So, it just seems to me that we aren’t taking full advantage of our strengths.
I would like to see DeMarcus get the ball to cutters when he’s double-teamed, But, their are plenty of ways to get the ball to the open man in the paint so it doesn’t have to be just cutters. Tyreke does need to look for open bigs around the basket when he’s mobbed rather than put up some wild shot ( note DeMarcus’ monster dunk in the Denver game ). But, I’d like to see Kings move to the 2nd option sometimes.
DeMarcus makes great passes to cutters going baseline after screening their man off of him. ( note Beno’s layup after DMC’s pass ). Now let’s assume that the pass is defended. What I’d like to see as the 2nd option if Beno can’t get the ball, is for Beno to backpick the defender of our other big on the weakside. Than that big can curl into the paint and he could be the reciprent of one of DeMarcus’ passes right in front of the basket ( option #2).
So, I’m not unhappy with our guys creating their own shot. It’s just that I think we are missing opportunities to get more easy baskets because we don’t work together and rely too much on one-on-one basketball.
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Nice work HT
I am one of many around here that really appreciate your efforts, be it the game previews or in depth analysis such as this.
Thanks again!
thanks
good work this took me a while to get through, because of how good the data was.
Still waiting for the Euler of basketball to play for the Kings
Yea, I was worried about that, sometimes less is more.
But, I wanted to make the point that we had a high FG% but had room to improve our scoring at the rim, because we don’t take a high number of Attempts and have an extremely low assist rate. Maybe if I had stated that at the beginning, it might have been easier to follow.
But, I’m glad everyone seems to have found the data interesting.
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So enlightening! Thanks!
So if I get this right, our bigs really work hard to score and they don’t get any help from the guards. Still, they have a high FG% at the rim…
A good passing PG would work wonders for this team.
Very good synopsis
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Great stuff HT!
I wonder how much of this is youth? How much is coaching? And how much is skill set?
In watching us play, it seems clear that the plays we are running often involve getting Cousins getting the ball somewhere to the left or right side of the key (or at the top of the key) and letting him either pass or drive. Clearly Cousins has the ability to see the floor and make crisp passes, so we may see more cutters in that situation. But he is so effective at driving that it seems like sometimes we just clear out for him. As he gets more consistent in his drives, I think teams will have to double him, allowing cutters to drive directly to the basket.
Evans had a great game against Denver. And obviously he is still young enough that his basket ball IQ and floor vision can improve. But right now, his passing and/or court vision is not great enough for him to do the things Nash (and other great PGs) do where they intentionally drive to a spot that forces openings in the defense and allows cutters to cut. It’s like his driving is so much better than his distributing that he tends to do what has always worked for him in the past. Again, I think this can, and to some extent is, improving.
While the P&R would seem obvious here, Evans is still not the best outside shooter. So teams can and do cheat off the outside shot a little in favor of protecting the lane. Until we can make them pay for that, it will be harder to get Cuz open down low on an Evans/Cuz pick and roll. Beno would be the obvious choice to play that role since he is generally pretty nasty on open outside shots, but for whatever reason, he seems hesitant to get physical on hard pick and roll plays.
My suspicion (and I’ll admit, I could be completely full of it) is that because of our youth and inexperience in playing together, (combined with skill set) PW is keeping the sets pretty simple for now. But just like the running game opens up the passing game in football. Our success in one area should open up more options down the road, as we become more comfortable with one another.
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I think your right about PW keeping it simple
and about Tyreke. Although I’ve said before, that I think his summer would have been better spent working in his 10-15ft jumper rather than his 3pt shooting. Once he beats his man and gets into the paint he has no offensive option other than to go all the way to the basket. And, when he can’t get there it leads to a long kick out, usually while he’s in the air. And, we’ve all seen those turnovers caused by him passing while in the air.
With a deadly mid range jumper, I thought that he’d have the option of stopping the penetration and then either take the short jumper, pass the ball inside if the defense comes out to defend him, kick out like he does now, or not pick up his dribble and continue to the rim depending on the defenders.
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Let's trust the kids and complicate things some so they can learn.
Don’t dumb things down so much. Yes, you and I both talked about Tyreke needing to work on his mid-range being more important than his 3-pt shot.
It’s (obviously I think) so much more important when you have aguy who can penetrate like he can. After that first step ot wo being able to pull up and hit a shot – magic.
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by lietothegirls on Jan 9, 2011 12:43 AM PST up reply actions
That's the next step in his development HT.
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I'm sure Pook, it's just that he was trying to change his shooting stroke too,
And, I thought it was crazy to change your stroke and work on the hardest shot at the same time.
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I don't think he suddenly was going to become a prolific stop n pop shooter and 17 footer guy over the season.
I’d rather him refine what skills he has rather than just worry about adding a completely new element to his game. That will take time and nuance.
That said, I agree that he needs to add that to become a “superstar” and what not. But, as has been said, he is 21. He has time.
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Tyreke is so darn quiet that it's hard to remember how young he is
and I don’t think he’s got the most professional people around him.
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I must say that the last few games, we have been sharing the ball a lot more. It would be interesting to see the stat “Passes per possession” for the Kings offense for the season. My intuition would say that that number has increased.
Hopefully it continues. Nice post HT.
I like that stat
ppp.
Looking at the boring and successful Spurs,Celtics and Jazz I would guess that they rank up at the top (Houston’s Adelman team as well). The teams that carve up defenses with passing in the half court game compared to those that constantly Iso or one and a half pass (one to two passes per possession) is like watching chess vs. checkers. The chess guys are the playoff winners.
by betweentheeyes on Jan 9, 2011 7:42 AM PST up reply actions
And let's not forget these guys -

How in the hell have we overlooked Hackman as a potential replacement for Westphal?
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and such will be the fate of another losing season for Paul Westphal
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by betweentheeyes on Jan 10, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Def agree on your assessment re- the Celts Jazz, Spurs.
I almost contemplated doing it for a few games, but I really dont have the time.
Speaking of Cousins passing ability, I really enjoy watching him at the high post on the offensive end. If the kings draft a big man with our lottery pick, we could run DMC at the high post dishing passes to say Perry Jones or Enes Kanter for example. I think he could get 4-5 assists a game because of his viable 15-18 ft jumper making defenses play him honestly at that range, giving the inside man a good chance to convert from his pass.

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