Ranking the Top 50 Sacramento Kings, Pick No. 47
by Aykis16 on Oct 14, 2011 7:04 AM PDT
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Carl Landry is your 46th Greatest Sacramento King of All-Time. Top Hat (read this thread if you haven't. Or if you have. It's still hilarious) came to Sacramento in the much debated Kevin Martin trade and left in another trade for Marcus Thornton. Landry didn't turn out to be the PF of the future we had hoped he'd be but he was a class act during his time here. Carl is one of the nicest people I've ever met, and it was rare to see him without a huge smile on his face. Wherever he goes, I know I'll be rooting for him.
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TODAY'S CONTESTANTS:
Cuttino Mobley, Jim Jackson, Larry Drew, Marcus Thornton, Billy Owens, Terry Tyler, Joe Kleine, Omri Casspi, Keon Clark and Jim Les. After the jump, a statistical breakdown of their time in a Kings uniform.
Cuttino Mobley (2005):
14.9 PER, 17.8 PPG, .440 FG%, .424 3P%, 3.9 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.2 STL in 38.7 MPG (43 Games Played)
Jim Jackson (2003):
12.4 PER, 7.7 PPG, .442 FG%, .451 3P%, 4.2 RPG, 1.9 APG in 20.8 MPG (63 Games Played)
Larry Drew (1986):
13.7 PER, 11.9 PPG, .485 FG%, 1.7 RPG, 4.5 APG, .9 STL in 26.3 MPG (75 Games Played)
Marcus Thornton (2011):
18.2 PER, 21.3 PPG, .450 FG%, .361 3P%, 4.7 RPG, 3.4 APG, 1.7 STL in 38.1 MPG (27 Games Played)
Billy Owens (1996-1998):
13.9 PER, 10.6 PPG, .460 FG%, .364 3P%, 6.6 RPG, 2.9 APG, 1.0 STL in 29.7 MPG (166 Games Played)
Terry Tyler (1986-1988):
12.9 PER, 8.1 PPG, .470 FG%, 3.9 RPG, 1.0 APG, 1.0 BLK, .7 STL in 21.0 MPG (227 Games Played)
Joe Kleine (1986-1989):
11.6 PER, 7.5 PPG, .456 FG%, 5.8 RPG, .9 APG in 20.0 MPG (288 Games Played)
Omri Casspi (2010-2011):
12.4 PER, 9.5 PPG, .431 FG%, .371 3P%, 4.4 RPG, 1.1 APG, .7 STL in 24.5 MPG (148 Games Played)
Keon Clark (2003):
13.9 PER, 6.7 PPG, .501 FG%, 5.6 RPG, 1.0 APG, 1.9 BLK in 22.3 MPG (80 Games Played)
Jim Les (1991-1994):
13.8 PER, 4.8 PPG, .420 FG%, .416 3P%, 1.3 RPG, 3.1 APG, .6 STL in 15.2 MPG (208 Games Played)
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Marcus Thornton
stats are better than Cuttino’s, and 43 to 27 games doesn’t bother me that much
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Oct 14, 2011 7:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Jim Jackson
We’re way past the point where statistical contributions are key, and in my mind his grit in the playoffs left a more lasting impact on the team than anything Mobley did or Thornton has done yet (although I hope that changes soon).
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Injury-plagued throughout the regular season, the Sacramento Kings relied on a deep bench to win a second straight Pacific Division.
Two prime reasons were named Jackson: Bobby Jackson and Jim Jackson.
Billy Owens
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Sean May got in great shape to play with Sacramento
and he always played his hardest when he came into the game. I admit I made my fair share of May fat jokes when we originally signed him, but I grew to respect the effort and dedication he put in throughout the season, and even the work he had to do just to get on the team (he had a weight clause).
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by Aykis16 on Oct 14, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
100%
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Joe Kleine for #50!
Because no one in that draft really panned out.
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by section214 on Oct 14, 2011 8:14 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That guy at #22 sounds like he would have been a good pick.
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Who the hell is jim les?
Anyway todays a tough one and im stuck between Cuttino and Jim Jackson. Looking at all the variables i’m gonna go with the big cat. His production was jus too good to look past. That and he also played a huge part in taking us to the post season. I remember being pissed we traded Doug for him but I was really pleased by how well he fit in and helped the team. But yea in this vote Cuttino gets it for his overall production over Jimmy’s solid bench play,SHARP shooting and a longer time spent here. But whats 20 games honestly and this is why im voting for Thornton tomorrow
What kind of money...
…is this?
Jim Les (1991-1994):
13.8 PER, 4.8 PPG, .420 FG%, .416 3P%, 1.3 RPG, 3.1 APG, 0.6 STL in 15.2 MPG
Money from 3 points once a game? That’s deflated currency.
With all due respect,
the 3 point shot was fairly new to the NBA at this point, and Les was the first guy to don a Kings uniform that could stick the deep shot with any consistency. He is also on Jerry Reynolds’ short list of players with upper level playing smarts. Alas, he lacked the size and the speed to be more than a bit player in the NBA. But in the season that he got burn (90-91), he exceeded had a true shooting percentage of over 61%, shooting an eye popping 46% from 3.
Does he deserve to be in the top 50? Don’t know. Does he deserve consideration? Absolutely.
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I put him up for consideration
Because in win shares he was one of the highest players left in terms of total win shares contributed to the team. I felt that was significant. Probably going to add Anthony Bonner, Spencer Hawes and Kenny Thomas as the 3 next ones, and then move on from there (we’ll probably take a break from these for a couple weeks before resuming Top 50-100 if lockout is still going on, which is looking like a fair possibility.)
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No respect due.
And by Jerry Reynolds do you mean the 22nd selection in 1985’s NBA draft?
I am looking at Les’ shooting percentage and still cringing. Did he only shoot 3s? If he could hit them at that %, why didn’t he shoot a few more?
I do not remember much about this guy. But Olberding? Let’s talk.
If he could hit them at that %, why didn’t he shoot a few more?
Because
Alas, he lacked the size and the speed to be more than a bit player in the NBA.
Jim Les had a true shooting percentage of about 58% during his time here. That is why the shooting percentage should not make you cringe.
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But it does.
It just does. True shooting percentage my ass.
I’m kidding.
You win section. Jim Les deserves my consideration.
Going with Jackson here....
I wanted to go with Omri, but it looks like it would be a wasted vote. I really dont think Mobley should go in the top 50 though. I’d be okay with Mobley at 51 out of principle. I think Keon, Drew and Kleine should go before Mobley. He only played 43 games just like my possition on Thornton.
Dude
So you’re passing on Cuttino only because he played 43 games? And you’re voting for Jimmy? Are u aware that Jackson didn’t play too many games here himself? He played 20 more games than Mobley dude. I mean, you’re entitled to your opinion but you’ve gotta be the only guy here who thinks Jackson, Keon, Drew, and Joe Kleine should go before Mobley.
by SoCal Diplomat on Oct 14, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Well,
I think that Jackson, Drew and Kleine should go before Mobley. I guess that you could say that Jackson played only 20 more games here than Cat, or you could say that Jackson logged 50% more games here than Cat. I guess it depends on your perspective. My perspective is that Jackson was a far more important player here than was Mobley, and he played here longer as well.
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On the other hand,
Mobley actually played more minutes than Jackson, and was more efficient on the offensive end (though Jackson was clearly the tougher hombre on defense). I still like Jackson better, but I respect anyone that opts for Mobley.
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Additionally
We’re arguing about the 47th best King of all time. I believe we’re in pretty subjective territory.
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Good point
It’s like arguing over which color cupcake sprinkle tastes better (Blue, of course!).
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Jim Jackson
He was a BEAST and stepped up a lot in pressure situation. Plus if Atlas ever needed a rest I’m sure Jackson could give him a spell.
by John Takanikos on Oct 14, 2011 10:26 AM PDT reply actions
wow, landry over marcus?
keon please
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by Loyalty2Royalty on Oct 14, 2011 10:34 AM PDT reply actions
Jimmy Jackson
Go for it all. You're a great champion.
by Muff209 on Oct 14, 2011 12:13 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Jim Jackson
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
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by A Night At The Arco on Oct 14, 2011 12:37 PM PDT reply actions
Sticking with Cuttino Mobley
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by raiderking21 on Oct 14, 2011 1:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Larry Drew
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by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Oct 14, 2011 2:16 PM PDT reply actions
Going with...
JJ.
(I know Thornton going as low as 47 or 48 will probably look like a joke in a couple years, but since we can’t be sure he’ll stay a King, gotta go with JJ)
Jackson
Samuel Jackson, that is.This group is collectively poopy =(
Sure there’s a couple guys on this list I really liked having on the team, but none that trump the mystique, persona and star power that Samuel Jackson brings to the screen or this tangent. I mean, enough is enough! I’ve had it with these m***#F****ing snakes on this m***#F****ing list….!!!
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To quote OP, "something is wrong w yall"
Seriously, Landry with his 15.3 PER and his 81 games is the 47th greatest Sacramento King? And we’re getting Mobley or Jackson next with their below league average PERs and their half a season with the Kings.
Free all the 200+ game players!
I'll agree on this, though.
At some point, time served ought to start mattering fairly heavily. As a Jim Jackson voter, I’d have a hard time voting for Thorton any time soon.
Jim Jackson
Without counting, only he and Mobley look to have a chance at this point. It might have just been my perception, but it felt like when Jackson came, he blended in beautifully to the team concept that the Glory Days Kings team ran while also adding some needed toughness. Again, this might just be me, but I felt like Mobley was a touch of a square peg in a round hole— a traditional two guard on a team whose offense wanted everyone to be ready and able to facilitate for others at any time— and maybe more than once in a possession. So, in our criteria-free ranking of greatest Kings, I don’t hesitate to give a vote to someone who seemed to fit well with the Zeitgeist of the times over someone who just didn’t quite seem to fit.
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