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Blazers Rumored To Be Interested In Geoff Petrie, But Portland Hasn't Asked Kings For Permission To Talk To GM

Yahoo!'s Adrian Wojnarowski discussed the Portland Trail Blazers GM situation in the middle of lighting Blazers owner Paul Allen up on Friday. (Allen was sent into mediated NBA lockout talks Thursday afternoon to ensure the owners kept a hard line on a 50-50 revenue split. He didn't say a word to the players, apparently. Woj reports that Allen has lost interest in the team and is stripping the club's expenses down to sell.)

Portland couldn't land Ed Stefanski, and Woj reported that Utah Jazz GM Kevin O'Connor was a target. ESPN's Marc Stein tweeted Saturday that other executives around the league have rumored that the Blazers are interested in not only O'Connor, but also Sacramento Kings president of basketball operations Geoff Petrie. (Petrie, of course, played for and ran the Blazers for a long period of time.)

But Stein then reports that the Kings say Portland hasn't requested permission from Sacramento to speak to or interview Petrie. It's not clear whether Petrie would be interested, either. Petrie is signed through 2012-13, and reportedly makes about $1 million per season.

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It's crazy the GMs make so little money

compared to, say, Hassan Whiteside.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Oct 23, 2011 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Right

Petrie makes more than a guy like Donte Greene, too. And remember that Petrie took a steep paycut when he signed his extension, from $4M down to $1M.

by Tom Ziller on Oct 23, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pookey!!

What’s crackin, brotha?

by Dub_TC on Oct 23, 2011 11:15 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Woah.

Welcome back homey :)

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by iashwash on Oct 23, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It's a simple comparison Pook.

Geoff makes 1 Mil and does WAY more work and is WAY more important than Hassan Whiteside who makes 500K or whatever.

My point was that Geoff does way more than 2x the work and is more than 2x important to our organization than Whiteside.

Got it now?

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 23, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Portland wants Petrie, they can have him.

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Really?

Is it really that ridiculous? Take a look at the last five years and tell me which direction the Kings’ standing have gone?

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you like perpetual rebuilding then thats fine.

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

STR is not STR w/o posts like these

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by Shizzo on Oct 23, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just so you know

Portland and Seattle/OKC also replaced their GMs during that timespan.

Probably just an oversight on your part. ;)

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thought about it

But I’m like 90% sure, both Presti and Pritchard were in place to rebuild both of their teams. Obviously Presti’s still there and Pritchard is already out, and Portland hasn’t won one playiff series yet.

I think rebuilding wise, all 3 teams are still similar. Same GM, similar record in years after best players drafted (so far). Next year is key for the Kings. Can’t really judge until we know the third year’s record IMO

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by edm7 on Oct 24, 2011 7:42 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

If Portland wants Petrie, they can have him.

In exchange for LaMarcus Aldridge and a first-rounder .

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by napg on Oct 23, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

This is certainly an unpopular opinion

But Petrie’s been pretty so-so for quite some time. I realize the “everything is the Maloof’s fault” crowd will rise up, but Petrie’s still the GM of what’s been a very dysfunctional and poor performing franchise.

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure I really agree

Our ownership group was good enough to get us within a few missed free throws of a conference championship, and they also presided over some really piss-poor teams. Same ownership group, right?

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

In name only

The Roman God Janus would be better to represent the Bros as the god of doors and gates is two faced and has given etymologic concepts of both January (the start of a new year and for the Kings they birthed a new beginning) and janitor (except they didn’t clean up the trash, they produced it).

The Clippers can hire Jerry West or Sam Presti (though I doubt either would sign) but as long as Donald Sterling signs the checks, how much run can they have before the leash gets yanked? I would bet if you asked RC Buford to what he attributes his success I would bank on Peter Holt as his answer.

I suspect you invoke the chasm in part for your comment, but the fortunes of the Kings have risen and fallen more with the Maloofs than with Geoff Petrie.

by betweentheeyes on Oct 24, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, there was some chasm

I thought your original statement was a bit of generalizing, and my proper response should have been “maybe, maybe not”.

by otis29 on Oct 25, 2011 4:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kinda disagree as well.

An owner and GM have to be on the same page to get things done. In the early Maloof years, this was the case, and everything went well. After the Adelman incident, there seemed to be a disconnect between Maloofs and GP.

Its kinda like when you have a Republican President, with a Democratic Senate. You just know nothing is gonna get done for 4 years because they are gonna fight the whole time.

by Wonderchild on Oct 25, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Petrie's no spring chicken

He’s 63, and he’s been here for 16 years. I could see him making a change if the Kings moved or if he was offered an insane amount of money. Otherwise, I anticipate him retiring at the end of his current contract. Just a guess.

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by section214 on Oct 23, 2011 9:42 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

^ My point.

It’s surprising he only makes 2x Whiteside.

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 23, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

He makes about $84,000 a month.

For essentially an administration job.

That’s low?

I know it’s low in comparison, but what’s to say that his salary isn’t the fair one, and it’s because of stupid rich people overpaying the others that makes his salary look ‘ridiculous’?

Isn’t stupid upper management bonuses and salaries what got us into our current financial mess? Of 5% of the pop. controlling 90% of the wealth?

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 23, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I think he's a lot more hands on than a typical administrator.

Also, remember the fallacy that there is a static or fixed amount of wealth in the world – that one party can only gain at the expense of another.
(as adequately displayed through this study about “poverty” in America that shows that “poverty” means you only have 2 TV’s lol) Not saying everything is perfect, just that there is obviously still some wealth slipping through those greedy fat fingers.
I hope I’m not getting political, just trying to keep things in perspective. (I will not reply to any reply to this post)

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 23, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's the study. Pretty interesting.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2011/07/what-is-poverty
And before I get attacked, my lil’ family is at the poverty threshold and I’m glad it’s America’s threshold and not Mexico’s.

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 23, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

But it's not to say that he's not giving them his best.

I understand that, to some, GP’s best hasn’t been good enough, but personally, I think it’ll be hard to do GP’s job any better than he has done it to date.

Could it be better? Sure, it can always be better. Until we win a championship 8 times in a row, it can always be better. But I don’t think there are many, if any, people out there who could do better than what GP did, faced with the facts he had at the time, plus the limitations he had to operate under.

I might not agree with all his decisions over the years, but I know that he’s trying his best to make this a great team again. I hope, for the sake of all Sacramento Kings fans, that he succeeds. I hope he will be around to see it succeed.

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 24, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure I agree

Over the last few years, we’ve had rumors that he hadn’t embraced the more modern trends of statistical analysis and there’s been a coaching carousel. We’ve hashed out his usage of the mid-level exception ad nauseum, and there’s an undercurrent in recent years of player discord.

In short, I think it’s always been reflexive to say that nobody could do as good a job as Petrie, because he’s been so damn good in the past. There’s not a lot of recent performance to back it up though.

IMO, it’s quite possible that another GM could have this team further along in the rebuilding process. I can’t fully embrace the “IPWT” philosophy any longer, outside of his work in the draft.

And I’m still waiting to see him build a consistent winning team with a coach not named Rick Adelman.

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not so sure

I mean, I’m with you as it pertains to Geoff no longer having rafter-like status. But I wonder who could have done a better job over the past few years given the financial restraints. This is where I have my doubts that a guy like Pritchard, who benefitted greatly from the deep pockets of Paul Allen (i.e. buying draft picks, and trading into more expensive draft picks) would be as successful here. I do think that some “young blood” might be able to come in here and succeed if they were bred in a cost-conscious environment. But even then it would be hard to judge how much success you would attribute to the new guy, and how much would be owed Petrie for Evans/Cousins/Thornton.

I guess where I’m at is that we knew that this thing needed to be blown up, and we knew that it was going to take a few years to off load the old playoff team contracts. Now that we’re here, I don’t think that it’s time to pull the rug. And if we’re not going to spend the available cap dollars, it doesn’t really matter who the GM is, does it?

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by section214 on Oct 24, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

You and I tend to agree on the criteria for replacing coaches and GMs

Ultimately, the question is “who is available that can do a better job?”.

I thought about the inverse of this question though, because there seems to be a lot of praise for Petrie for navigating the land mines of a mediocre team that has serious salary cap issues.

That question, in my mind, is “what has Petrie done that an averagely competent GM could not have done?” I think most GMs would have made the C-Webb deal with the Sixers in a heartbeat. I’m not sure an average GM could have done worse moving the disparate pieces received back in that deal. Coaching changes? This is an area most blame the Maloofs, and either way, any average GM could have sat back and let their ownership group make the bad decisions. As mentioned, we’ve talked about mid-level exceptions around here quite often. From a drafting angle, he has been solid IMO, but the jury is very much out on the careers of Tyreke, DeMarcus and Jimmer (the three guys who are supposedly going to get us back in the thick of things).

This whole episode with Kevin Martin and the subsequent trades related to that deal are unimpressive in my book. And the Salmons deal was just completely stupid from a value standpoint.

Obviously, I’m probably missing a few things he’s done that have really benefited the franchise and it’s future. But I’m not really seeing anything that’s earth shattering.

I guess I’m getting to the point that I can’t assume there isn’t anyone better out there.

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I see your point

Regarding the coaches, I hold Petrie 100% accountable. As I have always said, if you are going to give him credit for the good decisions, you have to hold him accountable for the bad decisions.

My question on the Martin deal was how much of it was dollar driven. This is the one place where I will allow that the Maloofs influence things. I can’t help but think that some of this was the brothers determining that if the team was not competing for the playoffs, slash payroll.

I see Petrie right now the same way that I see Westphal, and that is that if you are going to make a change, be sure that you are moving up and not just making a change to make a change. Added to that, I just don’t see a GM with a free-spending background being successful under the current ownership, and a young GM cutting his teeth might fall prey to too much Maloofery. When it’s all said and done, Petrie is probably the right man for the job right now.

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by section214 on Oct 24, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

That makes sense

In all honesty, I’d rather see an ownership change first, then a GM change if necessary.

Funny though, the first thing I always think about with Petrie is how intertwined his success has been with Rick Adelman. Is he the type of GM that can only build under one coaching philosophy? Would he be a better fit taking Kahn’s place in Minnesota?

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can't place the blame for the coaching carousel at the feet of Geoff Petrie

Not renewing Adelman? Hiring Eric Musselman? Reggie Theus out of New Mexico? Kenny Natt? Paul Westphal and his League low salary?

Yes, he has to play the cards he is dealt, but he has Jokers in his hand and no chips to ante. The lack of financial backing has effected every bit of the negotiation and acquisition process.

by betweentheeyes on Oct 24, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

As expected - Petrie getting credit for the good, the Maloofs for the bad

What you are saying may well be true. But we don’t exactly have a GM finding a “diamond in the rough”. So again, what has Petrie done in the last 5 or 6 years that any averagely competent GM couldn’t have done?

I do like what Petrie has done for this franchise in the past, but he’s living on reputation (and excuses) at this point.

by otis29 on Oct 25, 2011 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

couple of things

Just because you state beforehand that someone will say it doesn’t make it invalid. BTE’s points about the coaching carousel still stand in my opinion

what has Petrie done in the last 5 or 6 years that any averagely competent GM couldn’t have done?

Drafting well – There are obviously some GM’s who have done very well over the same period, but there are also other GM’s who have failed at drafting the past few years. It doesn’t exactly make Petrie a Top5 GM, but definitely above average in my opinion.

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by TheFifthMookie on Oct 25, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I’m not sure the jury’s out on his drafting the last few seasons, but then again I’m a notorious DMC doubter.

by otis29 on Oct 25, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just purely out of theoretical curiousity

would your opinion differ if Kevin Martin soon after that Boston game came out publicly questioning his role on the team and the coaching staff’s direction?

by wallywagon11 on Oct 25, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can say

That the Martin trade was not entirely dollar driven. Kevin wanted off the team but he was too nice to say anything publicly. That early injury cost him a lot of potential chemistry building and by the time he came back, it was Tyreke’s team, and the team had full on embraced the youth movement.

Still, just because he wanted off the team doesn’t mean that the trade then wasn’t dollar driven. I feel we could have gotten a lot more value for a player of his caliber, or at least some of the picks that Houston got from New York or something.

Landry for Thornton does not redeem Martin for Landry in my mind because those were two separate trades. One bad, one good.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 24, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah

The Martin trade really didn’t make Petrie look good – I remember the hubbub being that other teams didn’t even know Martin was available and things like that.

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Oct 25, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was really just Danny Ainge

trying to cover his own ass.

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by section214 on Oct 25, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Time for the Kings to have some fresh blood

In the front office and some new ideas. Petrie has been one of the top GMs for awhile earlier this decade but he looks like he’s lost it a bit in recent years and sometimes change is necessary.

Not going to take anything away from Petrie for his work earlier this decade but if anyone still think Petrie is still a top executive in the NBA is drinking the kool-aid and I want what you are having.

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 9:48 AM PDT reply actions  

If you are basing this on the performance of Kenny Thomas,

I agree with you 100%.

I would have no issue with the Kings replacing Petrie if they could land a hot shot right hand man to Sam Presti or R.C. Buford. But succeeding here is not a simple task in the Kings current financial forecast. A guy like Kevin Pritchard (for example), might have some major problems as a GM without the deep pockets of a Paul Allen…and the luster of the job that Pritchard did in Portland seems to dull as each month passes by.

Put another way, I have doubts that the KIngs can upgrade the GM position while they are in their present financial flux. No one worth their salt would want to come here, and the Maloofs are definitely going to pay above and beyond right now to hire a new GM.

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by section214 on Oct 23, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

definitely not going to pay…

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by section214 on Oct 23, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The right hand man of RC Buford is...

…..a fellow named Sam Hinkie. Who has interviewed for the Portland job earlier this summer (I think—maybe that was Dennis Lindsey—I forget) and the Minnesota job in 2009. (Glen Taylor rejected Hinkie, Lindsey and Penn on the basis that they were too expensive.)

The real right hand man to Presti was Rich Cho whom, as you know, is now in Charlotte after wrinkling Paul Allen’s fantasy of Alice in Wonderland. I’m not sure Presti is anymore successful than Pritchard has been, but I am sure OKC has a better future than Portland.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 23, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hinkie is Houston

Morey’s co-pilot. Dennis Lindsay is Buford’s apprentice. (Well, he and Dell Demps, now in NO.)

by Tom Ziller on Oct 23, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

I wasn’t sure I got that right even after checking. I get them confused too easily.

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by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2011 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

What has Petrie done the last five years that has dramatically improved their win total?

What has Petrie done the last five or so years that have dramatically improved the Kings in the standings? I get the point that the Kings are rebuilding but the Kings simply have not made many smart personnel moves or many crafty personnel moves.

Petrie is not David Kahn but lets not pretend the Kings don’t need fresh blood in the front office.

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

What would any other GM have done

with a team coming down from 8 straight playoff seasons (and 50+ win seasons) that was loaded with heavy contract?

I’ve often said that Ron Artest’s initial success here was the worst thing that happened to the Kings, because it forced them to try to hold on to being competitive when (in retrospect) the ship had already sailed.

But since you asked, I would give him a poor grade for Hawes, a fair grade for Thompson, and very good grades for Evans and Cousins. I did not like his trade of Martin for Landry, but I like it a lot better since Landry begat Thornton. I do not like the Salmons/Udrih deal, but it’s way too soon to call that one.

Recapping, you like Kenny Thomas and I like Geoff Petrie. I’m comfortable with that if you are.

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by section214 on Oct 23, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa, don’t put words in my mouth. I thought Kenny got an unfair shake by the fans. I’m not going to hide from the fact he was gawd awful the last three years. But, people seem to have short-term memory b/c he had a solid first year, continued to be decent in the 2nd year and still started under Musselman in his 3rd campaign before falling off the rails under Theus.

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with that

All I am saying is I have not been pleased what Petrie has done the past few years and as a result our rebuilding effort has been slower than what it should be compared to Portland and Oklahoma City.

Do the Maloofs share the blame? Yes. But Petrie is hired to run the basketball operations and be opportunistic when it comes to transactions. I think he has done poorly in the second regard.

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Portland’s rebuild’s looking pretty awful right now.

and OKC had better pick positions int he past 4 years:
 #2 pick in 07’ (Durant)
 #4 in 08’ (Westbrook)
 #3 in 09’ (Harden)
 #18 in 10’ (Bledsoe)
 
For comparison, the kings had
 #10 in 07’ (hawes),
 #12 in 08’ (Thompson),
 #4 in 09 (Evans),
 #5 in 10’ (Cousins)

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Oct 23, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Petrie has done as well as he could considering the conditions that he was working in.. Yes there were a few more down years then we would have hoped for, but he had serious Maloof handcuffs on him as well. If he is ready to move on (either retirement or another team), more power to him, but we would be worse off for it. That being said, I really don’t see him wanting any part of the mess in Portland. If anything, I think he would want to see this current rebuilding process to a certain level of completeness and then retire.

by gaindeyouth on Oct 23, 2011 10:00 AM PDT reply actions  

I hope he stays and fulfills his contract

By the time 2012-2013 season ends, the financial situation of the Kings will be more than just talk. We will have found out if the Maloofs are spending more (as they said they would) or not, or if they have broken down and are willing to sell the team.

by Wonderchild on Oct 23, 2011 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Hypothetical question

(since there’s a lockout, and I’m bored)

say the Blazers do want Petrie, and he leaves …. who would you guys want the Kings to make a realistic run at for GM?

by Dub_TC on Oct 23, 2011 11:17 AM PDT reply actions  

I have three

Dennis Lindsay, Sam Hinkie and David Griffin.

by Tom Ziller on Oct 23, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Why Griffin?

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by pookeyguru on Oct 24, 2011 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Highly respected in Phoenix

Left because it was clear Sarver was more interested in getting a return than competing, and that Sarver didn’t respect the office of the GM too much. (In other words, Kerr deserved to get paid.)

by Tom Ziller on Oct 24, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jeff Van Gundy

for hilariousness

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by Shizzo on Oct 25, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Meh

A few years ago I would have been upset to lose Petrie. Now I wonder if the modern game has passed him by a bit. It’s hard for me to imagine there aren’t decent young candidates out there – although it is hard for me to imagine that Heckle and Jeckle could find them.

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think he deserves another season to see

It takes 3 seasons to gauge a rebuild and while we should have started rebuilding sooner, we appear to be moving in a very positive direction.

Reke, Cousins, Thronton, Jimmer, Hickson and JT are a nice young core. There are sure to be some other moves, but Petrie has done a nice job laying the foundation. Reke’s foot injury made things seem worse than they actually were last season. But we got a taste in late January/early February and then at the end of the season of what this team was capable of.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Oct 24, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it's an "ok" core

Light years ahead of where we were a few years back, for sure.

by otis29 on Oct 24, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with 214

I don’t think Petrie wants to uproot himself and have to learn a whole new system right now. I think he was planning on retiring when his contract ends.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 23, 2011 11:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Always the insightful planner

Part of the deal with GP taking his lessened salary was the promotion of his long time contemporary Wayne Cooper and the advancement of his son, Mike Petrie.

A new deal with a new team would have to at least include those two with a long term commitment. Should a new ownership group control the Kings I don’t know how this will factor in and may influence a decision to move on or stay. Geoff Petrie’s current conract was a 3 year extension ending at the conclusion of 2012 (the signing was announced 29 December 2009).

by betweentheeyes on Oct 23, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

drive angry plot outline

A vengeful father escapes from hell and chases after the men who killed his daughter and kidnapped his granddaughter.

by yokosolo on Oct 23, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Nicolas Cage

Another ill-advised career choice.

by yokosolo on Oct 23, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

But he does look a little like Petrie.

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by yokosolo on Oct 23, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

Please stay Geoff !

He is the “captain” of our “ship”,
that is still on a “fearful trip”.
This “voyage” is not “closed and done”,
till the “prize” we seek is won !

by getPGwithbounce on Oct 23, 2011 4:42 PM PDT reply actions  

Is that ship Petrie is captaining called the Titanic?

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by kingme18 on Oct 23, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

awesome

it’s sounding more and more a matter of when than if. This timeline gives us more reason for optimism and something to look forward to.

/ Wondering if I should change my signature

by kwill on Oct 23, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

rise the hot hand!

and melt that iceberg!

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Oct 23, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

awesome

it’s sounding more and more a matter of when than if. This timeline gives us more reason for optimism and something to look forward to.

by yokosolo on Oct 23, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's with the "quotation" marks?

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 23, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's actually playing MadCaps and doesn't know how it works.

It should read:
He is the "penis" of our "penis",
that is still on a "penis".
This "penis" is not "penis",
till the "penis" we seek is won !

This.

by elfboy_ on Oct 23, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Til the penis we seek is won?

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by Exhibit G on Oct 23, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

awesome

it’s sounding more and more a matter of when than if. This timeline gives us more reason for optimism and something to look forward to.

by yokosolo on Oct 23, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Petrie has earned the right to finish what he started

This (lockout pending, of course) should be a make or break year to a lot of people in this organization. If no noticeable improvement takes place then a change in the front office (and coaching, of course) may be needed.

If that happens I would hope the Kings would look at some young up-and-coming exec, maybe someone’s right hand man (Buford’s, Presti’s, etc.) But, IMO, the org is not there yet so I’m rolling with Petrie and his team.

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by edm7 on Oct 23, 2011 8:12 PM PDT reply actions  

So who's most likely to be our GM when Petrie leaves?

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by caseycheesecake on Oct 23, 2011 9:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Most likely Mike Petrie.

Shareef is probably a year or two away from being ready. I don’t see the Kings going outside and adding a GM so the logical choice would be their assistant GM, Mike Petrie. The path has already been set forth and the Kings expect Geoff Petrie to finish what he started. Although I doubt he walks away, it has been a brutal year for everyone involved with the franchise. There are so many things up in the air, not just with the relocation talk, but with the lockout and the ownership group in Sacramento as well. I can’t imagine Petrie chasing another job but I wouldn’t blame him if he did.

A few years back, Eddie Jordan chose to go to Philadelphia instead of coming back to the Kings. I made the argument then that the Kings job was a better job because of the financial situation of the two team. The Kings had light at the end of the tunnel and a top 4 pick, while the 76ers had a lot of money tied up in Iggy and Brand. I see the Portland job the same way, they are better today, but they have long term financial woes that are not easily rectified. Petrie, like Jordan, would have to clean up someone else’s mess before he could ever put his own stamp on a team.

Could he win games? Sure, but if my star player (Brandon Roy) might never play more than 15-20 minutes a game the rest of his career and my team still owes him front line money ($72 million), then that’s not a good thing. Add to this the Gerald Wallace trade, the Greg Oden situation and the age of Miller and Camby, this team has a lot of holes and not a lot of ways to fix them.

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by jjham15 on Oct 23, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

They swapped Miller for Felton

But there’s issues with him as well since they only have him for one year, and he’s gotten fat during the lockout apparently. They also don’t have a clear backup at the point to take over eventually.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 23, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Depends on how Geoff leaves

If Petrie were to take another job, you’d have to think Mike would go with him. I’d think hiring an untested GM who was a couple of years ago a scout and who happens to be the son of another team’s GM would be avoided. Mike doesn’t exactly have the experience level of, say, Donnie Nelson.

If Geoff is fired, I don’t imagine the team would keep Mike around, though I’d love to be proven wrong, because I’ve heard great things about Mike.

by Tom Ziller on Oct 24, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the only way Mike becomes GM is if Petrie retires.

Which I think will happen when Petrie’s contract is done.

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by Aykis16 on Oct 24, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

A better question is who is most likely to be the Kings owner when Petrie leaves?

That will have a huge impact on how the Petrie replacement situation shakes up.

by glazier_25 on Oct 24, 2011 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree that Petrie does deserve to finish what he started. When a person serves a team faithfully for a long period of time they normally need to be let go when they feel the need, not when others do.

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by sheltonchristina on Oct 24, 2011 8:46 PM PDT reply actions  

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