J.J. Hickson and Dan Gilbert's mistake(s)
Okay so I've decided to start analyzing some of the Kings new players. J.J. Hickson is my favorite addition from this abbreviated offseason. The primary reason why I feel this way is because the Kings obtained a starter for a bench player in my opinion. Yes Omri Casspi was a maximum effort player and he was well-liked by many Kings fans, but he was widely inconsistent. Hickson, however is much like DeMarcus Cousins in that he is capable of putting up 20 and 10 on any given night. Add in that the double digit rebounds are nearly a given every night and suddenly you have a force in the paint. To prove this, Hickson ended last season with 11 double doubles in the Cavaliers last 13 games. Even more is that fact that the Cavs were statistically the worst team in the NBA last season and had virtually nothing to play for, unless you consider spoiler as something. Hickson is one of those players that can make an impact without really trying that hard. He is just a freak of nature athletically, sort of in the mold of a Josh Smith with his leaping ability and dunks/blocks.
I live near Cincinnati and I watch most Cavs games on FS Ohio. I watched Hickson during the LeBron era and this year, post LeBron. Obviously the Cavs were a very poor team and weren't competitive most games this past season. However, Hickson seemed to be a bright spot almost every night for Cleveland. Whether it was the 21 and 12 he put up in a home victory over LeBron's Heat or if it was the 31 and 15 he put up in a hard fought loss to Memphis, Hickson can play. How rare is it that a team has 4 potential all-stars under the age of 25? With Hickson, Cousins, Thornton and Evans, the Kings may just have that. If that doesn't make you excited, I don't know what will. It is even more rare that a team acquires a young big man with so much potential for a max effort SF. Really? I really respect Dan Gilbert, but c'mon man. I would be just as much if not more irate about the HIckson deal than I was about the LeBron departure, if I were a Cavs fan. Then to pass up on Derrick Williams for Kyrie Irving. What?! Ok I get it, Irving could be your floor general for years to come but skilled big men don't exactly grow on trees. Whatev, that's Cleveland's dilemma.
Back to Sactown and what Hickson brings to the team. Hickson brings athletic ability, rebounding, decent scoring, good defense, good energy, etc. Honestly, I feel that he is a large upgrade over Samuel Dalembert. Obviously he plays the 4 and Dalembert plays the 5, but you get my point. With his arrival, it is also assumed that Dalembert is leaving the capital city for greener pastures. No longer will we have to cringe when Sammy D pulls up for a prayer of a 15-footer, just saying. Also, I think Hickson is another piece to the puzzle of a Kings team that is capable of winning right now. It is a relief to myself and others that these moves that Petrie is making are all starting to make sense and take shape. How many years were the same questions raised as far as the direction the Kings were headed in? Now I think it is safe to say that the Kings plan on competing this year or whenever the lockout ends in the near future. That alone satisfies me because it shows that there is a plan for this organization and we aren't just banking on the fact that Tyreke and DMC will carry us.
After all, it wasn't long ago that the Cavs were offering Hickson and Zydrunas Ilguaskas to the Suns for that guy Amare. Yeah, you know the guy who signed with the Knicks two summers ago and averaged 25 and 8 this past season. I don't know what changed in the eyes of the Cavs on what Hickson meant to the team, but apparently something did. I think the Kings were the benefactor of this delusional claim that Hickson wasn't a piece to the puzzle in Cleveland. Like I said, I respect Dan Gilbert but I disagree with how he has built that team. You don't build a team around a point guard, plain and simple. You must have a quality big man, preferably two, to compete with the big boys in the league. He gave the Kings one to add to the quality big they already have while stripping his team of anything worthy besides the 35-year old Antawn Jamison. Bravo, Bravo Mr. Gilbert! We'll be sending you a Thank You card in the mail! Obviously Gilbert isn't the GM but judging by the turnover of coaches and players in that organization, something is clearly wrong. Much of why the Cavaliers were good was because of King James. King James smoothed over what was wrong with the organization and its no coincidence that the problems became widespread once he left for South Beach. Gilbert and others never gave LeBron the supporting cast that he needed to win a title, which was idiotic on their part. This proves how delusional Gilbert and others in the Cavs organization are and why it comes as no surprise that they would trade J.J. Hickson.
So yeah, that's my two cents on the Hickson addition. Again, this guy is highly underrated and obviously underappreciated by some. He brings a much needed post presence on both sides of the floor that the Kings haven't seen since C-Webb's glory days. I personally, am very excited to see him on the court with Tyreke, DeMarcus and Marcus whenever this lockout ends. Add in the fact that Hickson will be motivated by his departure from Cleveland and watch out! Until next time, Go Kings and let's end this lockout!
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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Good post!
Fun to have fans with real insight on other teams.
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Great insight
Totally stoked if/when this lockout is lifted for the Kings upcoming season. And I think we completely got the better end of that Hickson/Casspi trade. Adding athleticism, especially to the PF position, is always a plus in my book.
But I do not blame Dan Gilbert for not getting a title in the LeBron era for the lack of trying. He continually spent money to try to find pieces around LeBron, and it continually failed. Sure he made mistakes, especially trading for Shaq when he could have easily gotten Amare. But that is not Dan Gilbert’s fault, but LeBron’s and their coaching staff. He never evolved his game to allow his teammates to thrive on the court. Nearly every bit of LeBron’s game revolves around him controlling the ball.
Further proof of that is last season in Miami. He and Wade are not functional teammates on offense. Either player have a good off-the-ball game (although Wade’s is slightly better) They just take turns handling the ball, and their talent level usually hides their inefficiencies.
IMO,
It was Miami’s defense that kept people from realizing how excruciatingly ugly, poor and predictable their offense was.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 1, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Considering
that Miami had the 3rd highest Offensive Rating in the league and 5th highest Defensive Rating in the league, I’d hate to hear what you think about our offense and defense.
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Part of it is different standards I guess...
LeBron is in his 9th season now, and Tyreke, DMC, JJ, and Thornton dont have that combined.
I was one person that was against LeBron and Wade playing together. I didnt see their games fitting together. Not that they cant evolve their games to fit, but that takes time. But LeBron relies on his athleticism to make up for a lot of his deficiencies, as does Wade. He is just now realizing that his athleticism alone cannot get him a title, I think. That is why he spent time with Hakeem this summer, and is developing a post game. He also needs to develop an off-the-ball game (as does Tyreke and Jimmer) so that he can be useful when other people on the team have the ball. In the Finals last year, when Wade had the ball in the 4th quarters, he stood around on the wing looking completely lost, like the aliens from Space Jam just stole his talent or something.
I don't like the way the Heat team was constructed.
But I have no qualms in saying that they’re one of the best teams in the NBA and will likely win several championships in the next five years. They were within two wins from a title in their first season together for crying out loud.
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You burned my soul
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by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
but you can bring up
the boston big 3 did it in the first year they were together! :D
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Nov 8, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
Their great defense led to their good offense.
Two of the best perimeter defenders in the league and pretty good defensive PG in Chalmers got them a lot of easy buckets in transition.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 1, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I originally should have said “half-court offense”.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 1, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
While I don't agree with your analysis of Gilbert's handling of the Lebron....
….I do appreciate the challenge of organizing grou
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Fuck I hate my iPod sometimes.
Anyway as I wuz saying before my retarded fat fingers hit a button it wasn’t supposed to, I can appreciate the time & effort it takes to put together thoughts such as this. I hope to see more of these from you because it’s clear you enjoy doing this and as a reader I can appreciate good writing from a non editor. While I have no desire to write another fanposts as I’ve written plenty to satisfy that, I hope you continue with the writing. There’s no such thing as too much quality content.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I fear that dumping Hickson might have something to do with GIlbert's stance in the current lockout.
If the season is lost, (and Gilbert might be prepared to go the distance due to pigheaded egoistical stubbornness to prove to everyone just how big his penis is) - breathe -
he could have lost Hickson just because he might not want to match any offer on the big man (because even if all current owners get what they want in the current negotiations, a bunch of them are still stupid enough to overpay for talent and lose money all over again, hence making this work stoppage completely pointless, like many of my posts) -breathe -
But boy, am I glad we got Hickson.
This.
by elfboy_ on Nov 1, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Could be
I could see GIlbert making a bonehead move like that.
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by Cincy Kings Fan on Nov 1, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
Did you really say
4 potential All Stars under 25? I think you meant 5…

This post has just been Jimmeme’d!
by thewaterispoison on Nov 1, 2011 10:25 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Key word was potential. I think everyone acknowledges by now that Jimmer is a sure fire all star.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Nov 1, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
no
He’ll score but we’ll see about the rest
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by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! (plunk)
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by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
On a serious note
Can’t wait to watch J.J. in action. I’m really hoping he motivates JT to work harder and can teach him to finish around the rim.
by thewaterispoison on Nov 1, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
+1
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 1, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Poor choice of words
Because JT is all heart and works hard in the games. I would just like to see his dunking around the basket and not go through the inconsistencies that he sometimes has, although that is sometimes not his fault with the lineup changes. Being around now 2 aggressive big men, I’m just hoping he takes his game to the next level. That’s the point I was trying to make.
by thewaterispoison on Nov 1, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha
I think I’m at the point that I accept JT for what he is. No matter how hard he works, I’m not sure he’s going to improve a lot on his touch around the basket or being able to use both hands.
Maybe I’m wrong, and there is a next level for him. But what we have now is pretty darn good – a serviceable player who is a hard-worker with a good attitude and can be a nice piece of the rotation for a while.
I think the next level for JT
is just to get more experienced and solid as a defender, something I think he improved mightily on last year (particularly his team D), possibly due to the influence of having a good defender like Sam Dalembert on the roster.
I don’t think we want JT to be an offensive Juggernaut. I’m just fine with him hitting his mid-range jumpers at a consistent rate and getting those offensive boards and put backs.
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I think JT definitely has some more untapped potential.
At the end of the season, he played absolutely phenomenal. Everything is fantastic minus the FT shooting. It’s all a matter of consistency for him.
He can get better around the basket
He just needs to stop tipping at the ball and start with more layups. They’ll get blocked sometimes but . . .
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by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
All you need to be 'good'
is two reliable moves around the basket.
I’d settle for one : -)
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by lietothegirls on Nov 1, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you guys realize just how hard it is
when the players surrounding you are all as tall and as strong and as physical. If it was so easy to be good around the basket, everyone would be.
Another thing, JT has been near the league leaders in put backs since his rookie year. He’s averaged 11 points on almost 50% shooting. How much exactly does he have to improve until people think he’s good?
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Do all the missed put-back tips count as FGA as well as ORBs?
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 1, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
yes, I think so
but expecting a scorekeeper to keep track of all those jabs at the ball . . . .
And I really like they guy, and think lots of teams would want him.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Too many easy ones missed at crucial junctures
and you know it man
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by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Definitely psyched about JJ playing.
He cant teach JT what he lacks, above the rim skills and explosiveness. It is sad to say that JT will probably be the odd man out, especially if the Kings want to add another big. 96 minutes is not a lot of minutes for DMC/JJ/(INSERT FA BIG HERE)/JT. I would say 30-36 minutes each for DMC/JJ/Free Agent and JT will have to settle for the rest.
Hate to be the one to burst the bubble but...
Hickson’s awesome rebounding coincided with Ryan “Charmin” Hollins’ insertion into the Cavs’ starting lineup.
JT could get 25 rebs a game playing next to Hollins. Just saying.
Hickson, good scorer but potential All-Star is a big stretch.
That was my first thought also.
No doubt about it, JJ is an amazing athelete. But at the end of last season, his only competition for rebounds on his own team was Hollins. Plus JJ averaged 28 mpg for the season, but averaged 33+ per game during the 8 games in April when he got most of those double doubles.
And, unless the Kings go the season with Cousins & JT at center (meaning they don’t resign Sam or another FA center), Hickson isn’t going to get starters minutes with the Kings. Even if Cousins and JJ start, the ball is going thru DMC hands, and JJ is going to get his points off the boards. But, as a defender and rebounder, he can add a lot to the team.
I just don’t see there being enough shots for Jimmer, Tyreke and DeMarcus plus JJ.
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I'm reserving judgement on the whole 'freak athlete' thing
It’s not something I’ve noticed.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I just don't get the rationale here.
I think we are overlooking what Hickson does bring to the team. He is clearly an upgrade over what we’ve had at the 4 in previous years and allows DMC to move back to his natural position of center. Competition for rebounds is really irrelevant. It doesn’t matter who gets them, it matters that we get them instead of the other team. I’m pretty sure Geoff Petrie weighed all of these factors before acquiring Hickson. All I’m asking is to have a little faith before you make assumptions.
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by Cincy Kings Fan on Nov 2, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure Geoff Petrie weighed all of these factors before acquiring Hickson. All I’m asking is to have a little faith before you make assumptions.
But isn’t your faith coming from making assumptions?
That's just your assumption wally
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by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
I used statistical data to support why I feel Hickson is an emerging player. There is more data to prove that Hickson is an emerging player and an asset to the Kings than to disprove that and say he doesn’t have potential. Am I right?
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by Cincy Kings Fan on Nov 2, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, no one, not Wally, said that
I think it’s the whole ‘Star’ characterization.
Besides, Wally likes to argue, that’s part of why we’re here.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 2, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a bad joke Cincy
off of the line about being pretty sure Petrie weighed all of these factors (which is an assumption) then folowing it with having a little faith. Just being a smartass (and thought LTTG dishing the same well deserved treatment).
Many here (including me) will miss Casspi
but I think most also think it was a fair deal.
I’m just not convinced we’ve come close yet to dealing with our SF problem, though John F-ing Salmons should defend the position well for another year or two.
We suddenly seem to have Big men coming out our asses, but athleticism, fast break ability? Lacking.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 3, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
With Jimmer,
we’ve shortened out fast break length by about 25’, right? Right?
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by section214 on Nov 3, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The fastbreak and pullup from 30'
is definately now in the playbook
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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
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"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Nov 8, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Says who?
SG currently seems the most interchangeable/replacable
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by lietothegirls on Nov 4, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
and they are basically the same position. Wings
Some lean more towards the rebounder slasher, some are more the spot up shooter, but pretty interchangeable. Though, I think shooters are lacking a bit in today’s NBA.
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 5, 2011 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions
In other words -

Wings is wings.
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by section214 on Nov 5, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I think this was read as
Though, I thinksHooters are lacking a bit in today’s NBA.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 6, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
I still feel like Donte can show us something
just needs to defend, hit jumpers, and convert layups on fastbreak. I like his he’s pretty good at #1 and #3. And has steadily improved #2
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I disagree
You think DeMarcus Cousins can’t rebound as well if not better than Ryan Hollins? I’m not sure where you are getting your facts from?
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Cool with the trade except for....
the protected 1st round pick. Here is my thinking.
The pick just isn’t protected for the next year. Its actually a protected pick for every year up to 2017!. Does this restriction on the King’s first round pick for the next 5 years tie Petrie’s hands a little bit trying to make a trade or two? If the owners are able to get that hard salary cap in place with this new CBA, there should be many team GMs trying to unload talented (but overpaid) players that the Kings could use. Just like the LBJ & Chris Bosh sign & trades, the Kings are going to have to trade away at least one first round pick that might end up being transferred to Cleveland.
If the Kings are in the lottery for the next 5 years
We have more to worry about than Petrie’s hands being tied in a trade…
My hope is that we’ll improve by 10-15 games this year, still be in the lotto and get a nice piece in a very deep draft, then start fighting for playoff spots in the years after that as our guys have grown and gotten some on court chemistry.
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which is what we have said the last two seasons
My hope is that we’ll improve by 10-15 games this year, still be in the lotto and get a nice piece in a very deep draft, then start fighting for playoff spots in the years after that as our guys have grown and gotten some on court chemistry
by betweentheeyes on Nov 9, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
is this 10-15 higher win count projection rated for the shortened season??
or relative to an 82 game season?
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