If Brandon Roy Is Your Bag ...
by Tom Ziller on Nov 28, 2011 10:18 PM PST
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I don't think it's a roster fit. But when's he right, he's one helluva player. He's finally had time to rest those knees. What percentage of his contract is worth the risk? (He's due $64 million through 2015.)
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It would unquestionably requiring some reshuffling to free up minutes
But I’m all for signing him at 25-40% of his current contract. Because he won’t need to be primary scorer or shot creator, I think he’d fit in just fine as a very high quality facilitator / shooter / glue guy. Plus we all are obv quite aware of his great reputation as a leader and locker room presence.
The issue of course is finding consistent, substantial minutes for him at SG/SF.
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
I went with 25 or less
Because I don’t trust the Kings and guys with knee problems. But I would love to have his veteran presence on the roster, plus he can still play very well in spurts.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 28, 2011 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I love Brandon Roy
But don’t think he’s worth the risk. He’s an incredible player, and I hate so much that his body is failing him. Like TZ said, when he’s right, he’s amazing. I just don’t see that happening, as much as I hate to say it. I might be down for 25% or less of his contract, but even that is a risk…
I'm a buyer if the price is right.
I really like the idea of starting Evans and Thornton and then bringing Roy and Fredette off the bench. It would give Jimmer an experienced player to learn from. I would also like to see three guard sets with Thornton, Roy and Evans. I would go as high as $4-5 million a year for the gamble. I’m pretty sure you have to take on the player for the entirety of his deal (4 years). If you can get 18-24 quality minutes of Roy a night for a few years, I think it’s worth the risk.
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by jjham15 on Nov 28, 2011 10:55 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Esp. if he ever gains some of his old self back
Although I think that’d be wishful thinking. His knees are bone on bone.
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Would we be ok in not playing him in back to backs for a while?
Garcia could fill in on those
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
Isn’t DeJuan Blaire bone on bone too?
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 28, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
No, DeJuan Blaire lacks ACLs in both knees
Roy lacks cartilage. Two very different problems.
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
I'm w/ Aykis
His knees are hosed, and all the docs are saying they can’t fix ‘em. My wonderful GF is a HUGE blazer fan, and even she’s saying “no way, bad for the Kings.” He might make a good player coach for ‘Reke, but that’s about it.
Anyone willing to pay over 33% is reaching too far
I love the heart and determination of Roy, and it is a drag to see his career end on such a sour note. The risk here is just too high for my tastes, and besides I got enough reasons to feel sad without having to watch the shell of a great player come off the bench for struggling team full of youth. It just seems like it would be a real downer to watch.
by double rainbow on Nov 28, 2011 11:08 PM PST reply actions
Which is why he'll sign with the Timberwolves
and David Kahn will ask Coach Adelman to play him 40 minutes a game because its Brandon Roy!
Also, David Kahn will offer to take Roy for 100% of his contract value because its Brandon Roy! Superstars like that don’t grow on trees you know. Also David Kahn doesn’t understand the bid system.
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by Aykis16 on Nov 28, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I think Kings era Adelman would do that
But I think the damage done to Webber really haunts Adelman. Remember, when he coached the Rockets, how he just wouldn’t play T-Mac when he began recovering well enough to suit up?
by double rainbow on Nov 28, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It seems like the team would be silly not to bid something.
I mean, say you put in a totally lowball bid of 2.5 or 3 million per year. There’s a 90% chance that someone else puts in a higher bid and you don’t get him, but that’s no skin off your back.
And, in the 10% chance that everybody else passed because of the reasons people have listed (knee injuries, doesn’t fit well on a struggling young team, etc.), you either have a potentially great affordable bench player (or starter if he proves himself), or you have a trade chip that any contending team would kill to get. Roy locked up for four years at three million per? I think that would at least be worth a young prospect and two future first rounders to a Boston, Dallas, or LA with a closing title window.
To add,
according to this site, the only teams currently under the cap (before renouncing bird rights and therefore clearing cap holds) are Sacramento, Minnesota, and LAC. If that’s the case and a few players are amnestied before many other teams get under the cap, I think there’s a really decent chance that some ridiculously low-ball offers end up bringing home amnestied players. All three of those teams are young enough that they’d be hesitant to pay top dollar (or even market value) for a past-his-prime veteran, but an amnestied player for pennies on the dollar could be an excellent trade chip.
Question in my mind
If Wash was to waive/amnesty Rashard and so be well under the Cap – could they immediately bid on another player?
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
I voted for 25 percent
because bad knees and basketball don’t get along for long. A few minutes now and then, maybe, but where would the minutes come from?
33-35% max for me now that I am thinking about it
Here’s what i am looking at
Tyreke Evans PG
Jimmer Fredette PG
Isaiah Thomas PG
Marcus Thornton SG
Brandon Roy SG
John Salmons SF
Donte Greene SF
Francisco Garcia SF (Amnestied, money given to Roy-See below)
J.J. Hickson PF
Jason Thompson PF
Tyler Honeycutt PF
DeMarcus Cousins C
Hassan Whiteside C
That’s 13 (12 if you amnesty Garcia)players right there, IF Whiteside is ready for big league..I say play JT behind Hickson because I think you will need him definite split time between PF and C with Cousins I figure getting a lot of fouls and you are gonna need to play JT a lot of minutes unless you get a starting or great backup C or PF and only play JT at one of those positions.
I put Honeycutt at PF because he has played it in College, and we are already full at SF unless we amnesty one of them. (Cisco or Salmons) At this point i would say Cisco due to Roy brings veteran leadership and small minutes and honestly would play about same amount as Cisco.
I also would love to see a lineup of
Jimmer
Reke
Thornton
Hickson
JT..
that’s a fast/speed lineup right there
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I think you are forgetting that...
i think Kings priority here is top free agents like NENE, GASOL and probably tyson chandler NOT Roy. Just sayin’
I'd love the Kings to target those guys
But I’d be stunned if any of them came to Sacramento. Not to be defeatist, but that’s my opinion.
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by Exhibit G on Nov 29, 2011 6:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly, and the thing is Nene and Gasol are gonna be close to or Max players…How does any of my lineup prevent going to get these guys..Heck I would love to pick up Nene or Gasol and Roy. And i would much rather overpay Gasol or max contract Nene before giving Chandler the 15-18 he is gonna want..His last contract was 12.5million..He is looking for a payday
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No chance Chandler gets that money
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions
You better bet he is gonna be asking for it though, especially from small teams like Sacramento
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No takers
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I love this line.
I think you are forgetting that…I think…
Damn you widowwolf, you are forgetting what KINGKENJI is thinking!
The Kings could chase Roy and still have money to chase others as well. They could use the amnesty to clear space or trade Thompson, Hickson or Greene to clear up space. There are a lot of options that Petrie is looking at. Besides, fans are looking at Gasol, Nene and Chandler, that doesn’t mean that Petrie is also.
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I think there are safer investments than Roy
I don’t believe the Maloofs will spend above the floor amount unless it is for a game changer. We have a very young core, 10 million will get 1 very good player, or 2 very solid players. You theoretically have 17 million to spend on a SF if you jettison Salmons and would technically still be at the floor .
Back from my digression, I think they will spend the money on 1 or 2 players, who will be in the 8 man rotation, with no red flags attached.
Reke Cousins Thornton Fredette JT Hickson Salmons +(1 or 2).
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
* 10 million assuming we sign Thornton
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
Hell they could pay for Salmons, Go for Nene or Gasol and still pick up Roy if roys money is right..Sure they won’t be at minimum spending, but haven’t we been told this is when they are gonna be willing to spend…I would rather have Roy as a backup then some 450,000 guy..Especially with how bad Cisco’s luck is on injuries..
Oh and I do agree that i would rather have Thornton then Roy if t comes down to it..Cheaper, bigger upside, way less injury worry
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And Widowwolf...
Honeycutt weighs like a buck-60. He will never play PF at the NBA level. Good kid, good project but Donté Greene would be a better stretch four option. I wouldn’t doubt that the Kings try to clear out some of the mess at the small forward position. Salmons is a 30-35 minute a game SF and I’m pretty sure they would like to use Tyreke at least some there this season in a pseudo 3 guard set.
Honeycutt is a highly skilled, low risk/high reward pick for next season and beyond. His offensive game is further along than what he showed at UCLA. Their system restricted his play. What I really like about Honeycutt, besides the defense, is he has great court vision and he can really pass the ball.
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Greene can play 5-10 minutes at the 4
in some situations. Other than that his RBing will kill you.
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
Also
I agree Honeycutt is a 3, but potentially a damn good role player. If his D is better than Greene’s, Donte could find it hard to get minutes by mid season.
As a result of the NBA going dark and staging a lockout I plan on saying only depressing things until the season starts. If they put out the schedule I plan to also go and sit in the Arco parking lot on nights games would have been played. I will Tivo CSN on games nights. They can't stop me. Its my team and I'll cry if I want to, cry if I want to.
From what i saw of Donte at 4 I do not want to see that again..Its to bad we couldn’t get Darnell Jackson back here (i know overseas contract and all) so we could have another back up 4 just in case JT has to play more C minutes. Honeycutt would be much quicker then most 4’s out there but without size agree he would get pushed around. We are only talking about spot up minutes anyways for those small quick teams for him anyways as a 2nd rounder (Kind of like Brockman)
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So many directions and possibilities
Fact 1: As jjham has written throughout this site, the Kings need (are recquired to, must, have no alternative) to spend money. We hope they sign Marcus Thornton and their draft picks but that leaves an estimated $11M (at the least). It might be one big FA, it might be 4 minor acquisitions (though roster room will limit that to ? 2 ? more roster spots). It might be before the season, but it must be before the trade deadline. (I hope Hyoneycutt likes Reno, I hope Whiteside likes Reno better than last season).
Fact 2: Contracts will be shorter, per the new CBA. No more 8 seasons of Rashard Lewis or Gilbert Arenas. ( Non fact: We will most likely see some head scratching, dry heave inducing signing by the Kings but at least it will be short term)
Fact 3: It is going to be one heckuva Friday Dec 9th weekend!
Could Brandon Roy play small forword if the Kings acquired him?
How effective would he be at small forward?
Yes he can but why would we need him there..We already have Salmons and Cisco and Donte at SF, vs we have Thornton, Garcia and ??? at SG
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if his knees hold up
he’s way better than anyone we have at SF now., that’s why we need him there.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Nov 29, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
They won't
bone on bone
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
I said 25%
I love watching him play for the Blazers, though I wonder about
- How he would transition to an extremely limited role.
- His health as others have mentioned.
Still, we have to spend money on someone.
We chatted about this a bit in another thread
This seems like a really bad year to grab a guy like Brandon Roy. The schedule’s going to be brutal.
However, if you can get him dirt cheap (say at 25 to 30%), I think he’s a decent risk.
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
I'd go to 25%, and imagine another team would go higher
Could see the T-Wolves and Warriors spending on him.
Can a team over the cap use the MLE to bid? He’d be a scary good fit on the Bulls.
For the Kings? I think we have more pressing issues.
25-50%
I’ll take him just for the fact he’s a closer. Roy can help us finish games in the 4th, something we desperately need
All Games
Finish in the 4th, unless they go to overtime.
Crazy I know, but I just checked basketball reference and its true.
I’ll get my coat.
I dunno…our team has finished games pretty early the last few years.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 29, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Funny,
One of the problems with Roy is that he is another ball dominant guy
I just don’t see how/why we add that. We all know that our biggest need is a catch and shoot guy who can play D. Though with Thornton and Jimmer we do now have some shooters.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
On a More Serious Note
Is Roy with no knees better than our current options at the 2? How does he help us develop our youth and compete long term? If we were a contender looking to add the final bench player, then maybe…
by Rickyflip on Nov 29, 2011 6:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I love Brandon Roy
But last season was disastrous for him. I think he is way too risky.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
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IF
and it’s a big IF, but if Roy could be obtained for 25%($16 million through 2015) or so, I’d pull the trigger. He’s a great talent with bad knees. The Kings wouldn’t need him as a top option, but he could be great with limited minutes and less wear and tear on him. Not many guys I’d rather have mentoring our young guards. I wouldn’t break the bank on him, but the risk is mitigated if the price is right.
People are bringing up
That he would be great off the bench in limited minutes. If Brandon Roy could be Brandon Roy for 20 minutes a night, be happy with that bench role, and not have his knees deteriorate abysmally as the years progress… methinks the Blazers wouldn’t have been quick to waive him. We have to be careful what we peg him as.
Brandon Roy is square – he’s got those lovely perpendicular corners, his faces are nice and even, he’s got great math when it comes to area and circumference. We know what we’re getting with Brandon Roy: it’s a beautiful delectable square. And maybe if we had round hole, we could take out a little Play-skool hammer and bash that square peg till it fits our circle hole. But right now the Kings’ holes are triangles, octagons, ellipses and further enigmas. If it looks like we can shove that sinuous peg that is Brandon Roy into one of those holes, then any team must shoot the trigger. But otherwise we’re just going to be left with an unused peg and some more holes to fill.
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by iashwash on Nov 29, 2011 7:54 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
Nice Metaphorical Yabber
Something like a weird comparison of Brandon Roy to a child development toy is yet another reason why I love STR. I’m going for some green up in there.
I get what you are saying, but....
The Blazers have to pay Roy $68 million over the next 4 years. That is not a really good 20 min a game player. Paul Allen has more money than Jesus so buying Roy out saves Allen huge amounts of cap space and clears the bottom line in case the rumor of Allen selling the Blazers are actually true.
And if the Kings can get 20 good min. a game out of Roy, that is a universal block that fits any hole. Roy is a very good player with a really bad knee.
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I dont get it...
Paul Allen all of a sudden cares about the team’s spending…
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by Wonderchild on Nov 29, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions
Once that Luxury tax starts hitting higher amounts i bet he will..Thats not for 2 more years but still
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Thats going to be interesting
how teams start positioning themselves
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Some may save their Amnesty until then if they can..Other option i see with this amnesty option- Another GM calls up petrie and says, hey i am going to be letting so and so go, you make sure you bid X amount if you want him (To clear their luxury tax line) , and i will owe you one later..Sneaky way of getting around the whole 3 million money move
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One of the problems with Roy is that when healthy, without pain
He’s so much better than so many other guys. That an really be a problem in a bench role. He and others might accept that on a good vet team – but here?
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Hey now :)
I said they wouldn’t be so quick to waive him, not that they wouldn’t… right now Brandon Roy is the first player that’s nearly been semi-unofficially waived… ahead of Arenas, Lewis, Haywood, et cetera, ad naseum. I mean it’s not like the Blazers get double the tax savings by dismissing him early… to just cut ties so immediately and without reproach should send warning signals.
That said I love me some Brandon Roy, and if the Kings manage to fight the throngs of semi-interested teams for his favors and win, I will be ecstatic and excited for the many roles he could bring to this Kings team. Still, I would worry that those roles won’t necessarily be compatible with his envisioning of his own roles and whether team expectations will ever be in line with his expectations, and whether the fans expectations will make it impossible for the team and Roy to see eye to eye. I see Brandon Roy and I worry that a coach whose edict is to not play him more than 20 minutes a night will suffer endless reproach because Roy was taken out in the fourth even though Roy wanted to play, and the team lost.
If Brandon Roy is picked up, then a real lineup isn’t made easier, it’s made damn impossible. Roy is a slow 2 who needs the ball and is terrible in spot-up shooting (not necessarily just in the percentages, but in his attitude towards having that role on the team).
So my mind wants to go down the list and ague how the different combinations don’t fit, but when I think about Garcia paired up with Roy, my heart aflutters.
I don’t know man, it’s late. I’m not sure what I’m saying. I think that what I really want to say in more flowery and anecdoted language is that basically I agree with you, but I think you’re simplifying the logical leap substantially. So while the answer to Roy is yes, I think jumping to that answer shouldn’t be made as quick as it had been. Why is that important if we’re both arriving at the same answer? Well the amount of complications and considerations we put into this thought process lets us know how low a percentage would be “worth it” and what kind of return we’d expect on that level of investment.
Look at that, I tried to simplify it and I spit out a wall of text. Fail. My apologies if this sounds like I’m talking down by over-explaining everything… that’s me making up for my tired state and not me trying to be the pedant.
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The thought
sounds nice …. but I don’t think he’s a good fit right now. I don’t think he gets to where he was, at all. If there was a chance, then maybe it would be worth the gamble.
I think the Kings would be better off taking that money and throwing it at someone like Gasol (which I don’t think is leaving Memphis) or Chandler. Hell, I’d rather see them throw that money at someone like Thad Young or Jeff Green (I highly doubt they do … just sayin.)
I was thinking
of answering “not at all” since I think the acquisition of Roy would create a bit of a logjam at guard (I take for granted the return of Thornton, I love him too much) and we already have a Roy on our team (see what I’ve done here? I’m clever, uh?)…but I ended up answering that I’d be ok with taking him at 25% or less than his contract since he still is an awesome player when healty
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I went with 0%
And if you’ve ever seen me comment over at Blazers Edge, you know that I looooooooove me some Brandon Roy.
The issue for me is that when you couple Roy’s balky knees with this year’s compressed schedule, the result would likely be a player that misses as many games as he plays. And for all of you that are already tired of Westphal’s constant lineup tinkering, throw Roy into his toy chest and he could really go crazy(er).
I can see Roy as a deadly sixth man for a top tier playoff team that won’t need him as much during the regular season (OKC? Chicago? Memphis? Miami?). But I don’t think that he’s a great fit for this Kings team.
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by section214 on Nov 29, 2011 8:21 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
My favorite non stat - Durability. And unfortunately, this guy gets a negative number.
Is he part of the Goon Squad or the 4th Quarter Hero Team? If he comes in at the end of games (his forté) who’s spot does he take? Evans (RoY for Roy, 4 flat replaced by the 2 crutch?), Thornton (Brandon In, Buckets Out?), Even replacing Salmons with BRoy removes (arguably) your best man defender.
Chemistry-wise is another question: When healty, Brandon Roy is the best player on the team, period. Is he your leader? If he is your leader, it goes back to original issue – how much does he play and when?
Brandon Roy is a class guy with world class basketball talent and knees that need to retire. He would be a great fit in Miami to rest the oft injured DWade or Chicago to finish games when DRose is unable to or the back up for Allen and Pierce that Jeff Green wasn’t. Love the guy but I don’t see him fitting in Sacramento.
by betweentheeyes on Nov 29, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Like I've been saying
there may be an opportunity for a waiver claim and trade opportunity
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
That'd be interesting
Wonder if you’d be allowed to do that. Say a team over the cap wants a guy on the waiver wire, so they contact a team under the cap to put an offer in for them, with a trade in place for the waiver guy. I bet there are going to be restrictions to when a guy claimed off waivers can be traded though to prevent this from happening.
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As far as I know
the only restriction is back to the team that waived him
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
As we're one of the few teams that would bid first - AND
could outbid just about anyone, it does raise some possibilities if trades aren’t restricted.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
I like this
the fact that we are under the cap would also give us more flexibility due to the new trading rules, so a deal would be easier. Could be a great way just to get a couple pieces, but it could also be a piece to a larger trade…
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I would grab him at 35%
As I read comments on here a see some people asking where he will fit in- well he would take up a spot as a SG. We all know we will see some Jimmer, Thornton (if we resign him) , and Reke line up- so it’s easy to see a Reke, Thornton, Roy lineup- with all the time Roy has had off with the lockout and a shortened season I think he will be fine this year. It’s future years that worry me. He’s such a good player it sucks his knees are crap.
by Sincere P. on Nov 29, 2011 8:29 AM PST via mobile reply actions
if you go for Roy you don't resign Thornton
by wallywagon11 on Nov 29, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
I agree, there is no reason to throw high money at 2 players who will be playing the same position
One is younger and healthier, and the other when healthy has super star potential. But either way you look at it, we shouldn’t try to have both.
by The Guy on the Couch on Nov 29, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
I suppose your right.
I for sure want Thornton, what he did for our team at the end of last year was great. Bit just the possibility of a healthy Roy drives me crazy. But like I said Thornton put up great numbers last year for us and brought some passion back to Sac. I think I would change my mind and drop it to 20% we have so much cap space.
by Sincere P. on Nov 29, 2011 9:11 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Roy will never be truly healthy ever again
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Totally understand he won't ever be 100%
But still think a Roy at 75% or better has value on a NBA team. For the right price I would take a shot. Don’t we have to sign players just to make minimum payroll? Not saying we should sign him over any legit center or Thorntin. Ive been thinking about Shannon Brown- could have the Gerald Wallace effect like after he left Sac. But can’t see the need for him… Maybe back up 2 guard.
by Sincere P. on Nov 29, 2011 11:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He could only play 47 games last year
in this compressed schedule – how could you count on him? If I was a contending team though I’d try to get him, use him lightly during the season and set him loose in the playoffs.
Not for us
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
What playoff teams have the cap room to sign him unless he gets super low bids.
For what I understand he has no say on what team lands him if he got the amnesty. But I’m sure some team will out bid Miami or whoever. You guys are starting to talk me out of it. Maybe it’s more trouble then it’s worth. But I can’t see many playoff teams that could get him- especially with D. Kahn in the mix. Good Luck!
by Sincere P. on Nov 29, 2011 12:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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Roy can’t be Roy by playing off the ball and at <25min/game. Doubtful he can play much of this year’s strenuous schedule. And doubt he wants to join a young team. No fit.
Roy does fall into the Petrie – Shareef tradition of smart players whose debilitating injuries cut careers short. He’d best be served either going to Phoenix’s miracle doctors to extend his career a year, or just getting into coaching/front-office now like GP and SA-R.
rules for amnesty
Im a little confused. I thought an amnestied player doesn’t have a say to where he goes? If that’s the case why is ESPN saying Roy can sign with a team? I thought a player that is amnestied doesn’t have a say to where he goes?
by Kenneth256 on Nov 29, 2011 9:28 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
If no one claims Roy, he can sign wherever he wants.
If he is amnestied, he must first clear the waiver claim process which now has a bid component. If the Kings (or any other below the cap team) puts in a bid, and that bid is the highest bid, Roy goes to that team and they assume the remaining years on his contract (4). Whatever they pay Roy, comes off the top of what his outgoing team would have had to pay. So say the Kings throw out a $4 mill a year bid and win, Roy would still get his $68 mill but it would be split $16 mill paid by the Kings and $52 mill by the Blazers.
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by jjham15 on Nov 29, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I wish I'd seen this before I posted the below
I wonder about claiming off waivers and trading. A deal might be waiting to be done in that situation.
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Any idea what the time frame is for the waiver auction?
Maybe they can get all the GM’s that are interested, and film it in front of a live television audience auctioneer style. Winner takes home the player. It’d be interesting to see the GM’s sweat it out.
Otherwise, say the deadline is 12am, and you have two or more teams still bidding, does it get resolved by having the last highest bid entered(ebay style)? GM’s better invest in some sniper software.
the question of how much Roy can Roy still be with his gimpy knees is one side of this discussion. But, I think that a more relevant issue is can Roy be Roy in such a diminished role that most reasonable folks see as realistic. Would he be able to come into a team (such as the Kings) and be a good back up in limited minutes? I seem to recall him expressing his frustrations to the media in last years playoffs over his reduced role. His talent level (superstar) may not ever be able to reconcile his health level (limited back up and team role model). When we look at other similar situations (Webber, McGrady, etc), the superstars generally appear to be ill prepared with such a transition, particularly so early in their careers. As much as I would love to fantasize about adding Roy to the team, I have a hard time seeing it ending as a productive/positive move.
by gaindeyouth on Nov 29, 2011 9:38 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm with you on this.
I think we’ll see some teams who have more of a need at the 2 that are willing to take a bigger risk.
by Crocoduck on Nov 29, 2011 11:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Any reason why we can't do a claim off amnesty - and trade?
That might raise some possibilities from a contender
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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That's am intereting thought.
As long as it’s not to the Lakers or Heat!
by Crocoduck on Nov 29, 2011 10:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Neither have anything we'd want back that I can think of
Now if Memphis wants a good player but needs to position itself salary-wise
(still having Gay dreams)
oh. . . . wait
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have the same Gay dreams too, my friend...
It’s a long shot but I could see it as a possibility. Step #1: Kings throw max at Gasol, force Memphis to match. Step # 2: Get the Memphis front office drunk and remind them how far they got in the playoffs without Gay! As they start to sober up and have a massive headache we explain the salary tax ramifications they’ll be facing in a few years. Step 3: Get drunk again and talk about Roy’s great career and how he’s only 27. After a brief reminder of step #1 we tell them were willing to help then out by trading him for Gay, ultimately saving them millions in taxes!
by Crocoduck on Nov 29, 2011 11:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Also remind them that they still have Mayo on their team.
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 29, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, they have Gay-Mayo, but they could have had Gay-Love
They got Kaaaahned.
by Kfan in Korea on Nov 29, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
As I said above, use Roy only a little during the season
and keep him for your magic bullet in the playoffs
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Nov 29, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions
No need to be ashamed.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Nov 29, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
As long as my wife doesn't find out about it.
She doesn’t like Rudy Gay.
by Crocoduck on Nov 29, 2011 11:34 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But he can dunk so hard...
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by caseycheesecake on Nov 29, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
Just because Roys body may not hold up to the rigours of playing as a star in the NBA, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t still think of himself in that light. Lots of star players have not adjusted well to the demands of becoming a role player.
I just think that with the cap room the Kings have to spend $20 Mill and change according to Sam Amick on Carmichael Daves show yesterday, they could afford to be more bold at this stage to make an offer to a decent Free Agent or maybe exchange some cap room for a talented NBA player on another roster.
I just don’t think at this stage dealing for damaged goods is the way to go at this stage
He could have Al Bundy Syndrome.
Yep. Just because Al Bundy was in his fifties did not stop him from thinking he could still score 4 touchdowns in a single game, like he did when he was in high school. Roy could have this same condition, though he’s not the same as he once was, like AL.
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As polarizing as a prospective King could be.
As witnessed by a near 4 way tie in the opinion poll.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Awesome talent with a fatal flaw
Not worth the risk imo. Reminds me too much of the Derek Smith fiasco, and I have zero desire to relive that nightmare.
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If Brandon Roy does leave my Blazers I really want him to end up on the Kings for as cheap as possible. He is worth 2-3 million a year. He won’t have it every night, but the nights he is feeling it he is going to show the fans some special finishes. We can’t keep Roy because his contract otherwise I’d be for keeping him. I would love to watch some Kings games and listen to Jerry Reynolds and Grant Napear cheer Roy on. They are two of the best play by play guys in the business.
by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 29, 2011 5:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
You've got to bid something.
Else he goes to the Lakers for a league minimum contract.
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Meh
Spite is for suckers. The Kings and the Lakers are in different spots right now. Signing Roy does not close the gap for the Kings. Now, if I’m OKC I bid $1 over the minimum.
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