Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: The Most Dangerous Division in Sports

Signing Bonuses Could Help Kings Meet $49 Million Minimum Payroll

In the comments to my story on the limited potential of frontloaded contracts to help the Sacramento Kings meet minimum payroll requirements while maximizing future salary cap flexibility, LPKingsFan raised an important question: even though signing bonuses don't greatly impact the cap sheet, could they be used to help meet the minimum payroll?

The answer is yes.

A popular misconception is that a team's salary cap figure determines whether that team has met the minimum payroll and avoided the penalties associated with coming in under it. This was an issue at the trade deadline a year ago, as the Kings grabbed Marquis Daniels at the deadline seemingly to get over the minimum.

But the league confirmed to me at the time that the Kings would have been fine without taking on Daniels, because the team was on pace to pay out just more than the $43.5 million minimum payroll. How could that happen if the Kings' cap figure before the Daniels trade was $42.4 million?

Star-divide

Remember that the Kings traded Carl Landry for Marcus Thornton near the deadline, 53 games (or 65 percent) into the season. Landry's cap hit was $3 million, but the Kings paid him about $2 million before the trade. Thornton's cap hit was $762,000, but the Kings actually paid him about $275,000.

So the Kings' final cap figure after that trade was $42.4 million, below the floor. But the team was on schedule to have paid out $43.9 million in actual salary -- about $400,000 above the salary floor. Thus, the team would have avoided penalties. (So why did the Kings take Daniels off the Celtics' hands? Remember that Boston wanted to shrink its tax bill, and sent cash along with Daniels. Boston saved about $2.3 million in luxury tax; one can assume the C's sent Sacramento enough cash to cover the $800,000 owed to Daniels plus a portion of those tax savings. This is one of those classic "revenue streams for poor teams.")

***

So how does the signing bonus figure into this?

Remember: the signing bonus boosts a player's first-year salary and drops subsequent annual payouts proportionally. But it has no effect on the cap. Since the payroll floor looks at actual cash paid out but not the cap figure, a signing bonus can get a team like the Kings closer to the minimum payroll.

How do signing bonuses work? In the old collective bargaining agreement -- which should be the same or similar as the new CBA when all is said and done -- teams could offer as much as 20 percent of a multi-year contract in a signing bonus.

Let's put this into practice. Say the Kings and Marcus Thornton agree to a five-year, $34.5 million deal. Suppose Geoff Petrie wants to get closer to the minimum payroll because he doesn't feel like signing crummy players. (This is an assumption, not a rumor or report or anything.)

In a totally normal deal of those terms, Thornton's first-year salary paid out would be $6 million, and the cap hit would be $6 million.

In a deal frontloaded to the max, the first-year salary paid out would be $7.8 million, and the cap hit would be $7.8 million.

In a normal escalating deal with a maximum signing bonus, the first-year salary paid out would be $11.5 million ($4.6 million in base salary plus the $6.9 million signing bonus) and the cap hit would be $6 million.

In a frontloaded deal with a maximum signing bonus, the first-year salary paid out would be $13.3 million ($6.4 million in base salary plus the $6.9 million signing bonus) and the cap hit would be $7.8 million.

Here's what that deal would look out in terms of actual salary paid out:

$13.3M | $6M | $5.5M | $5M | $4.6M

And on the salary cap sheet:

$7.8M | $7.35M | $6.9M | $6.45M | $6M

Remember: the Kings need to spend about $17 million to hit the salary floor. By frontloading a five-year, $34.5 million deal with a maximum signing bonus, the Kings could get $13.3 million of the way there. That's a huge potential impact.

Comment 62 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

This is definitely something they need to look at doing

Particularly since we’ll have some guys up for extensions off rookie contracts soon.

Author of NBA Mashups. Follow me on Twitter here.

by Aykis16 on Nov 30, 2011 11:27 AM PST reply actions  

Fo sho

Couldn’t this help the kings sign RFA’s that are on teams strapped by the cap?

by wildcard530 on Nov 30, 2011 11:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, the Tax anyway

That’s what Portland did to Utah to lure away W Mathews. Because Utah would have had to pay Lux tax to match the offer – it was one of the reason we assume they declined.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Perfect move to steal Marc Gasol

if that’s what the Kings FO are looking to do. Similar situation if they’re looking at Thaddeus Young.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

No to Gasol

DMC and Gasol are both not the most athletic players I feel it could be issues with those two playing together as far as defense and rotating to players especially towards the perimeter. I think they need a more athletic frontcourt mate next to DMC, would rather have Chandler or Nene

by prostacker on Dec 1, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

From Coon’s FAQ:

At the other end of the spectrum there is a minimum team salary, which is defined as 75% of the salary cap. Any team that doesn’t spend at least that much is surcharged at the end of the season, and that money is given to the players. In practice, most teams’ salaries will be higher than the salary cap amount.

I hope this came from the bylaws of the NBA and not from the CBA itself. Without knowing what those bylaws say (and I don’t trust the NBA to disseminate accurate information regardless of circumstance—they lie whenever it seems to suit them), it’s not possible to verify it’s accuracy.

That said, it’s good to know that is the NBA’s official stance. It will be handy to see how they respond in the future with some teams potentially having trouble reaching the salary floor.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

Coon doesn't dispute it

The floor is defined via 75% of the floor in the old deal (85% now), but it comes down to what the team spends.

by Tom Ziller on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't arguing he was.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And as far as league rules

Bear in mind that it was the league that confirmed the interpretation to Ziller.

In most polarizing arguments, the truth is found somewhere in the middle.

Follow me on Twitter
Author of Inside-Out Game

by Exhibit G on Nov 30, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. That thought had occurred to me too.

I was criticizing the NBA, not TZ.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

We now have all that flexibility we've been craving for years

Let’s hope finally we do something awesome with it.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2011 11:55 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Amen.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, a front page shoutout! thanks TZ

Hopefully the front office considers this if they miss out on the big-name guys who are actually worth the $ (and I’m not sure I’d want to pay Nene much more than $12-13, for the record). Preserve the flexibility to you use it for quality, not quantity purposes.

by LPKingsFan on Nov 30, 2011 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

Preserve it for what?

Then you have to make it to the salary floor which (about 49.5 million or so), even if you gave Thornton the loveliest of all signing bonuses of all time, which would not make it. You’d either have to take a short term contract like Matt Carroll of the Bobcats (whom I’m sure they wouldn’t mind giving up), but you wouldn’t get a DeSagana Diop whose contract is expiring. Teams just won’t give up expiring contracts to get “salary relief”. So many teams are near the floor right now (about 2/3 of the league is either at the floor, just above it or well below it), and every team has spent the last 3 seasons preparing for the realities on this side of the CBA. Holding your cap room for a later date is a major risk, and a risk that historically, and in my view won’t change with this new CBA either, that doesn’t typically pan out if you roll over cap room repeatedly. At some point, you have to take a risk on a player or scramble around coming up with band-aids that illustrate how cheap you are and little else.

This new salary floor basically killed the idea of flexibility the same way the owners not being able to help themselves in the last CBA was a problem. Which is not a bad thing in of itself IMO, but this new CBA is not the panacea some believe it is. It is littered with problems as you would expect anything designed by humans to be.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey

leave your mom’s cooking out of this!

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions  

What's wrong with my mom's cooking?

I think it tastes perfectly fine myself.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

So you’re saying she isn’t human? That explains a lot.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure that's what I'm saying.

Actually what I’m saying is I like her cooking just fine. Duh.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It is littered with problems as you would expect anything designed by humans to be.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Umm okay so?

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I was making a joke about your mom’s cooking. This back and forth has made it so much funnier, I’m sure…

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Why?

I can understand that if you’ve eaten here cooking for a long time, but you don’t even know her. Do me a favor: Just don’t go there alright? I’da been okay with if you made me fun of me, but there are things that are off limits in all cases. This is one of them.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

her cooking^

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to have you back Pook.

Sacramento Kings and Seattle Seahawks fan in OKC

by rockrichmond2 on Nov 30, 2011 8:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Thanks man.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Questions for those who know

Does this happen very often? Obviously, the Nick Collison example comes to mind but I can’t recall a lot of talk about this in the past. If it doesn’t happen often it wouldn’t be a criticism, but this is one of those sneaky, CBA moves that I don’t know if Petrie looks to do.

Again, in OKC we just saw Presti use it to his advantage so I just automatically associate these type of move with the new wave of GMs.

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

The Collison signing bonus was a creative use of cap room.

It’s one way, especially if the Kings can’t re-sign Dalembert and acquire Nene, you could get to the floor a lot easier with Thornton. It would also ease the cap strain in later years when Jimmer is coming off his rookie contract for example.

I suspect that’s one of a few things the Kings will do if they don’t make a major FA splash.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Well actually a lot easier is a wrong statement on my part.

Easier yes, a lot easier no. Making up that last 10 million will be a lot harder than giving Thornton a great signing bonus.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember that one too

and Wes Matthews too. I was aiming more towards the ‘signing bonus’ aspects of this strategy. I don’t think Hinrich had that in his contract but I could be wrong

"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims

by edm7 on Nov 30, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope. Hinrich didn’t have that in his contract.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The Kings major FA problem

is that no one wants to play here. We need Petrie to create the salary cap flexibility for the future (like Ziller’s Thorton example above) and execute a trade to get a top-level player here. Big-time FA’s are very unlikely to sign here

by gregory l on Nov 30, 2011 12:41 PM PST reply actions  

We need to start winning

That would help a lot

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, but I think the point was to maintain it if we cant' get anyone worth it now

because once Reke and Cousins blow up (in a good way, ideally), and the team starts to win, we could then add a couple more top-notch players (maybe a Rudy Gay next year if Memphis regresses and is capped out after keeping Gasol?) to what suddenly becomes a compelling destination.

The last thing we should do is pull a Dumars (see Gordon and Villanueva), spend the $$ on mediocre players to meet the min, then be stuckey once the extensions for Evans and Cousins kick in

by LPKingsFan on Nov 30, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

you could get someone here now. With Reke, Cousins, Jimmer … got some decent pieces. If they can start winning a little, should be easy to throw money at someone and have them come here. Especially if the new arena can get built.

by Dub_TC on Nov 30, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think many of us want Petrie out chasing free agents

I still think trading into it is the best philosophy – and especially with all the interesting nuances to the salary cap.

"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)

by otis29 on Nov 30, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

If they need to give money away to meet their salary minimum I’m around to assist.

by bignerd on Nov 30, 2011 12:45 PM PST reply actions  

same here

totally fine with a one year deal too. I’m sure I will figure out a way to deal with all of the uncertaintly about who in the NBA is going to pay me next year.

by wallywagon11 on Nov 30, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I would love to sign Thornton to this deal

And then give Oden an offer around 8M one year with a team option. Would be 4M over min salary cap. And if Portland matches then give 4M to haywood.

by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:49 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

if he were smart, he would sit out another season

make sure he is healthy. That is what Big Z did in Cleveland, and he wound up having a solid career.

"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."

by Wonderchild on Nov 30, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn’t be surprised. We could still give Peja 4M to get to the minimum cap if all else fails.
Would Rather find an amnesty player for around that money though

by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Nov 30, 2011 12:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Would frontloading

Make it hard to get equal trade value after the first year of the contract?

by Sacramental on Nov 30, 2011 1:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

It depends.

The cap hit is all that matters to the team that is paying Thornton. If the Kings traded Thornton a few years down the road, his cap hit would be smaller than the dollars paid to him. So depending on the finances of the team he was traded to (mainly if they were at the salary floor instead of near the luxury tax), this is a big deal.

Otherwise, it really just depends on circumstances of the player the Kings would be trading for and Thornton’s production at that point. Too many variables to really know until a trade happens honestly.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Argh

The cap hit of Thornton would be higher than the dollars paid to him in those years. THAT is what I meant to say.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

We're already trading him? !!!

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

You are so December 29th.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions  

For teams under the cap - quite a bit

from 125% of salary to 150% (plus $100k in both cases)

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Nov 30, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. A 20% increase in desparity between contracts makes a big difference.

"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.

by kwill on Nov 30, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice, adds to our flexibility. On a related note

Amick mentions that we need to hit the salary floor before the start of the season. Is that something new, or is he wrong?

Of course it doesn’t hurt that he’s well aware the Kings have to spend some $18 million to reach minimum payroll by opening night.

by Kfan in Korea on Nov 30, 2011 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

This is why I have been pushing the whole Daly/Nene thing so hard.

This salary floor is going to be hard to reach and maintain flexibility as a bunch of people have suggested already.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting amnesty fact

Larry Coon (salary cap guru) says the amnesty can only be used by a player on the roster now. So, if the Kings trade/sign player in the future and it doesn’t work out, they could not amnesty him.
Still allows for a Salmons amnesty….I’m just saying.

by gregory l on Nov 30, 2011 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Howard Beck said the same thing on Sunday.

I think what happened is that the amnesty was the same as 2005 except that it could be used at anytime during the upcoming new CBA. This of course is in addition to the amnesty would take a players contract off the cap as opposed to just the luxury tax.

As far as being able to acquire a player and use the amnesty, there was no way the NBA would allow a team to acquire a bad contract for assets in return. Too many teams would lose too much if that was the case.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Nov 30, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Rebuilding -

Whether GP anticipated the amnesty provision and we can expect him to (maybe) dump Salmons by next summer, I don’t think the Kings have any big plans to try and sign Dally, Nene or Gasol as FA’s. That would imply big minutes at the 4 for DMC, so why would GP trade for Hickson just before the lockout, with JT and Whiteside (project, okay) on board … isn’t that 3 young guys to play the 4 lined up behind DMC?

by Watty4ever on Nov 30, 2011 5:51 PM PST reply actions  

Because, if nothing else,

he believed Hickson was more valuable than Casspi.

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Nov 30, 2011 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to Sactown Royalty, the best community of Sacramento Kings fans in the universe. That's not my opinion; it's scientific fact.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Small
Kyle Lowry
Small
A Learning Experience on Loyalty For Sacramento Via Golden State
Lionel_small
#HereWeStay
Small
Francisco Garcia Wallpaper/Illustration (UofL days)
Kings_sports_illustrated_small
Funny story
Small
As I sit here and watch the OKC Thunder come back against the Lakers
Waymantisdale-tz-150_small
the owners called down the thunder
Chief_petty_officer_small
Maturity in Sacramento Debacle
Small
Ryan Anderson to the Kings - Petrie's Gotta Give It A Thought
Chief_petty_officer_small
Open letter to the Maloofs

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Editor

Loofie_small Tom Ziller

Joe_kleine_small section214

Demarcus_thornton_small Aykis16

Associate Editor

Coachie_small rbiegler

Banana2_small Exhibit G