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24Q: How Will Kings Spend Their Cap Space?

In the lead-up to the 2011-12 NBA season, we'll ask 24 questions about the Sacramento Kings. We hope to answer at least a couple of them.

The Kings have as much cap space as any team in the league, primed to make a huge splash to upgrade the team. There's just one problem: this free agent class is kind of terrible.

There are three strong centers, a number of decent to lovely scoring guards and a few intriguing young cats. That's about it. Unless you start counting vets like Grant Hill, the All-Star depth here is painfully low; no one would be surprised if the top four free agents -- Marc Gasol, Nene, Tyson Chandler and David West -- were completely shut out of the All-Star and All-NBA teams in the future.

In fact, maybe there's not a single free agent in 2011 who will win any flavor of official NBA accolade going forward, excepting Marcus Thornton's obvious 2013 MVP bid. Trades could help, too ... but the Kings haven't been involved in a major rumor since draft day (Tony Parker) and aren't remotely in play for the names du jour (Chris Paul, Dwight Howard). We'll be happy to be surprised, but it hardly seems like destiny that the Kings will pull a star in a trade.

Star-divide

We know where some of the team's cap space will likely go: Marcus Thornton. His re-signing seems like as much of a no-brainer as any move since ... uh ... when was the last time the Kings signed their own free agent? Jeez. It's been a while. (50 ZillerBucks to whoever gets this.)

Samuel Dalembert could get some more; even if both sign, the Kings should have more left over just to reach the payroll floor.

The amnesty auction system is madly intriguing, and Geoff Petrie indicated on Wednesday that the Kings will be looking at it. Cross your fingers that all of these teams claiming they won't be waiving players are lying; otherwise, welcome to the Travis Outlaw lottery. There's also the possibility to beef up 2011-12 salaries for incumbent Kings who will become unrestricted free agents in July; that list of players currently stands at <crickets>. If the Kings trade for a player who can become a 2012 free agent and isn't already at the player max, that player could have their 2011-12 salary boosted to help the Kings reach the minimum while saving cap space down the road.

The Kings will get to the $49 million salary floor. That means adding $17 million and change in new salary. Petrie could do it in the "cheapest" long-term way possible by pumping up Thornton's first-year salary, bringing Dalembert back on a short deal, and going for a mid-rung guy. Or he could shoot high and come away with a big fish in free agency, trades or the amnesty auction.

As is usually the case with Petrie, we have basically no idea which path the Kings will follow. But it will be important. Stay tuned.

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"when was the last time the Kings signed their own free agent?"

First guess off the top of my head – Beno and his five year tract.

by LightningStrike5 on Dec 1, 2011 12:03 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I want my ZillerBucks!

Or maybe confirmation on the correctness of my guess

by LightningStrike5 on Dec 1, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It's wrong.

Beno was signed using the actual Mid Level exception. Believe it or not, when Beno was signed in ’08, nobody had his Bird rights once Minnesota waived him.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

Him & DC!3. I’m 98% sure. I know it’s not Beno. He was a non-Bird FA (which means he’s not technically your FA), and extensions / sign & trades don’t count here either.

Then again, this is all semantics and how you want to define them. I’ve never heard “your own Free Agent” implied for a player that isn’t where Bird Rights are included. If that is the case, then Beno is in fact the answer.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

DC13^

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Extension.

That’s not really signing your own Free Agent. Or at least, I’ve never seen it said that way. There’s a first time for everything though.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Beno was with us a year before we signed him

If the question is “who did the Kings sign when they had his bird years” I can understand, but the question was “when was the last time the Kings signed their own free agent?” and I think that applies to Beno…

by LightningStrike5 on Dec 1, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

When a player is your own Free Agent...

…it means you have Bird Rights.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about that

He was our player, became a FA, we re-signed him.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Right.

This is a semantic argument. Beno wasn’t signed with the non-Bird exception though. He was signed with the Mid Level (which is why I’ve maintained that isn’t the answer TZ is looking for here).

More power to you if you got it right Lightning Strike.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

And let me clarify something else....

The reason you say your Free Agent is because you typically have an advantage in signing that player. That wasn’t the case with Beno because the Kings didn’t have his Bird Rights. In otherwords, the advantage the Kings had in signing Beno was the same advantage that every other team had. I’m not really sure how Beno was a “Kings” Free Agent when the whole league had equal rights to sign him for a dollar amount. (Technically, teams with cap room could offer more, but only the Clippers, Warriors, Bobcats and Sixers—I can’t remember who had cap room that summer other than those 4 teams—didn’t even ascertain that that. Basically it was the Mid Level or the veterans minimum for Beno.)

Webber and Christie were both signed using Bird Rights that the Kings had due to both of them still having active Bird Rights at the time they both signed their contracts.

Semantics yes. Makes a difference? Not really. Interesting to see how this ends up being defined though.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I think of "your free agent" as someone we drafted...

then re-signed after all the rookie options were over. If that is the case, wouldn’t that be Cisco?

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by Wonderchild on Dec 1, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep. One of us is right.

I’m still betting I am. If I’m not, won’t be the first time.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm a world renowned semantician

And please, I beg of you, spell it right – it’s “semantician”, not “sementician”. Anyways, I digress.

From a purely semantical point of view, I believe that Mr. Guru, esq. is correct in this instance. Only a player for whom you own the Bird Rights would be considered “yours”. Once a contract has expired, and there are no advantages to the player’s existing (or I suppose, former) team to keep that player, he is technically classified as just a “free agent”, or in the case of a good player, “the Lakers’ free agent”.

I hope this has clarified the matter to everyone’s satisfaction.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Semantician.

Noted. Carry on Mr Semantician.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I dated a girl in college who, well

people should have told me sooner.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope.

He got an extension.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

when did we sign Bird?

I stop drinking for a week and Pookey comes back and we now have LArry Birds rights! I am going back to the bottle!

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by want2win on Dec 1, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Ron!

Go for it all. You're a great champion.

by Muff209 on Dec 1, 2011 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Whew!

I thought you had really lost it there for a second.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Beno is correct

I’d forgotten we rented him from the waivers.

by Tom Ziller on Dec 1, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Extensions

Tom, couldn’t some of this cap space be used up by potentially extending the contracts of Jason Thompson and JJ Hickson as well? Just curious.

by Word_Jockey on Dec 1, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Next year yes.

This year no.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

The last time the Kings signed their own Free Agent....

….is Chris Webber and Doug Christie in 2001.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

This is a super unlikely pipe dream

But Chris Paul and Dwight want to play together, and the Kings have the assets to bring them together.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2011 12:10 PM PST reply actions   4 recs

Zoinks!

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

And you called me crazy

For praying to the basketball gods to get Rudy Gay… Glad to see you finally coming around.

by Merickel on Dec 1, 2011 12:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

At least he admits it's a complete and total pipe dream.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean come on, if we want to get crazy here

Might as well aim big. Neither of those guys would necessarily want to come here, I know. But if we land both of them? How could they not at least consider signing an extension to play with each other, something they wouldn’t be able to do otherwise? Especially if we end up somehow keeping one of Tyreke or DeMarcus (although it would probably take both of them to acquire those two guys in trades).

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by Aykis16 on Dec 1, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

JJ Hickson and Marcus Thornton is such a terrible offer.

And I believe we can’t deal back-to-back 1st round picks, so that’s gone too.

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by Shizzo on Dec 1, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Thornton and Honeycut?

:-)

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

If we managed to keep Cousins, Howard could teach not to get all those T's!

Oh . . . wait.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

haha what's crazy is we're fit to do something big..

with all our young talent, expiring contracts, and petrie’s mysterious endeavors. i say we definitely can be a dark horse in any sweepstakes

by D00M on Dec 1, 2011 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

Rec'd for being the first smartass to say this.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

In this thread^

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Aye. Mine too.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Realistically?

Overpay for Nene knowing that you have the Salmons contract that you can amnesty in a year to add that one last piece.

Or, make a big trade. Or both by trading Tyreke plus for CP3 and rolling the dice that you could keep him.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I'm sure Chris Paul

would love to sign an extension with the Kings, especially if they gave up most of their talent to get him. That’s not rolling the dice, that’s suicide.

by Sean E-S on Dec 1, 2011 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, CP3's agent is lobbying for a trade to the Knicks.

Let’s hope that CP is dyslexic and mistakes Kings for Knicks.

Might be harder to explain the Sacramento on the jersey front though…

This.

by elfboy_ on Dec 1, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

I'm thinking other than signing Thornton

and maybe Dalembert it’s going to be a very uneventful free agency period for the Kings. I think we’ll sign a few vet’s to fill out the roster and reach the salary floor and that’s it.

Gasol, Nene, and Chandler are not coming here. We’re not trading for Paul because he’s not signing an extension here. Josh Smith? Maybe. Caron Butler? Going to a contender. Battier? I also believe he’s heading to a contender.

I seriously believe we will be reading "Kings sign Earl Watson and Francisco Elson to 1 year deals’ soon.

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by StevenG on Dec 1, 2011 1:59 PM PST reply actions  

Two random thoughts

Chris Kaman – If the Clips extend Gordon and DeAndre Jordan and chase (say) Thaddeus Young, then the expiring 12.7m contract of Kaman becomes something that Sterling would prefer not to pay. Given that not many teams would be willing to on board those dollars, would a 2nd round pick land the services of the K-man for one year?

Or -

Elton Brand – More expensive at an expiring $15.7m, but if the Sixers are adamant on matching offers for T. Young, they may need to jettison Brand. Same deal – Brand and his somewhat bloated one year salary comes here for a 2nd rounder.

I mention these scenarios only as alternatives if the Kings fail to boat a “big one” in free agency.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2011 2:30 PM PST reply actions  

Technically Brand has a player option for the 12-13 season.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

Read it wrong – I thought it was a team option. That makes Brand way too pricy.

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by section214 on Dec 1, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

On the other hand you’re going to have to get to the floor. I really hope the revenue sharing allows teams to keep up with the floor. If it doesn’t, the NBA is going to be the NHL redux. Or at least have owners crying poor yet again.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 1, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Please no Nene

At his age and knee health maybe we’ll get two good years out of him plus he needs the ball to be effective and we already have too many guys who need the ball. Realistically all the kings need is some time to gel together and grow. What Petrie should do is get a quality vet to lead our young kids. Also can we get a better coach?

by rise_to_mediocrity on Dec 1, 2011 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

Nene needs the ball to be effective?

His career usage rate is 18.1. Last year (probably his best year as a pro), his usage rate was 18.8. For reference, Darnell Jackson was an 18.0 with the Kings last year.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Now the injury history - although not crazy bad

is a valid point

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

For a guy Nene’s age, his body’s been through a lot of stuff.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

But he has only missed 12 games total over the past 3 seasons.

77-82-75. So, recently he’s been solid. And, he’s had more 75+ game seasons in his career than sub 75 game seasons. 5 to 4. Linky

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 1, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, that's a very good sign

makes you think the earlier ones were just bad luck, bad breaks – not fragility.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me correct myself

His usage rate might be 18.8, which is low for a dominant player, but i still dont believe he can gel with demarcus without getting frustrated. The kings need a passive and defensive big men to go along with demarcus. someone who can recover for demarcus and shut down the paint. Thats not Nene. It is gasol though, but Memphis will never let him go. They’ll trade Rudy Gay before voluntarily vacate their playoff spot by giving up Gasol… Deandre Jordan is a more realistic choice for us!

by rise_to_mediocrity on Dec 1, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok

I wasn’t aware that Nene was a guy who doesn’t play well with others. Honestly, I see the opposite. I see Nene’s energy rubbing off on DeMarcus and those two guys being a pretty nasty tandem.

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by otis29 on Dec 1, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree, they'd be quite a pair energy wise, attitude wise

I also think they’re fine together offensively, I’m not sure I know how they do together defensively.

Better than most tandems from sheer athleticism, little PFs would give them problems I guess.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so regarding the little PF issue.

Nene is EXTREMELY mobile (“thank you captain obvious”). So don’t see why it’d be a problem.

And if the PF is some super quick, spiderman type character, we can just sub in JJ and stick him on the dude.

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by Shizzo on Dec 1, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He's mobile in the paint

DeMarcus schooled him some last year by drawing him out.

Nothing new for most C’s. Cousins is/will be better defensively out there (I think)

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

But Nene would be thrilled getting some of DMC's inside passes

or while rolling through the lane to the basket (Dunk!)

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by lietothegirls on Dec 1, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah I see the opposite too

Either way, I know we’d have to overpay to have a shot at Gasol or Nene but I really do enjoy both those guys. Particularly Nene.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 1, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

More than likely just a pipe dream...

but there’s rumors of Josh Smith being on the trade block. Not sure what it will take to get him but it seems like ATL is open to shopping him around and he appears to want out. Seems like it’s inevitable he’s a goner. This is just based on what I read on rotoworld, yahoo, and espn.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 1, 2011 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Amnesty will be where our new acquisition comes from.

And I think Sammy will give Sacramento opportunity to over-match whatever deal is out there for him because at the end of the day he wants to get paid the most amount of money possible.

As far as other players, I think we need to see what we have now as a healthy unit before we add to it anyway. We added shooters and shored up the 3, people are healthy and a little older. Moreover, a good showing from the young guns this year will increase their trade value making any high-level player acquisition through trade more likely/doable.

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by sac_faithful on Dec 1, 2011 3:38 PM PST reply actions  

Well hell. If we're gonna go there...

…let’s GO there!

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by SierraSpartan on Dec 1, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions   4 recs

I think we're giving up too much.

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by kwill on Dec 1, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea. Blake has only been in the league for a year.

Blake still has a lot to learn and I don’t want that to be on the King’s clock.

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by kwill on Dec 1, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

hahahaha

I would trade Cisco for Blake’s brother.

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by TrojanCBB on Dec 1, 2011 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok here you go-Just for you http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=c946jbj

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by Widowwolf on Dec 1, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

NO WAY.

Blake’s PER is only 21.9, but JJ and Greene’s PER is 15.7 and 9.7, respectively. We would be losing a total of 3.9 PER ((15.7 + 9.7) – 21.9 = 3.9). With our young team, we cannot afford to lose PER like that.

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by kwill on Dec 1, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Blake could bring Mr. Fluffy.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 1, 2011 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at the Free Agent list, we could bring back lots of ex-Kings on UFA.

Peja, Bibby, Landry, Shelden Williams, Darius Songaila!

Forget retro unis. Retro roster, baby!

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by elfboy_ on Dec 1, 2011 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not sure about any of those players. I'd definitely bring back Kenny Thomas though.

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by Normdog on Dec 2, 2011 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

24Q: How Will Kings Spend Their Cap Space?

Not a penny more than they have to (sorry but the Maloofs are still the owners)

by betweentheeyes on Dec 1, 2011 11:50 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

truth

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by Shizzo on Dec 2, 2011 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

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