Mavs' first swipe, I'm told, will be trying to do S-and-T w/Sacramento for Dalembert by using big trade exception from Tyson Chandler deal
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Then we’ll flip that for somebody?
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2011 9:15 AM PST reply actions
Possibly get a 3rd team in here?
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Why would they need to do a sign and trade when dallys on the market now we renounced his rights..Not like we can offer a better contract then they can now
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
we could offer him 10-12 mill, they cant. Cuban has already stressed he doesnt want to get mixed up in the new cap tax.
It won't be that much money
$8 mil range probably
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
If it's $8M, why not keep him?
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by PhutureKings on Dec 10, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
Unless the Kings have their eyes (and money) set on someone else.
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by section214 on Dec 10, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
unless hes will ing to play for the reigning champs for less than a lottery team...
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Apparently Houston has offered $9mil a year
but is waiting to see if they land Gasol first. They’d add Sammy IF they got Gasol apparently.
I still don’t know who scores the ball on that team.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
I think the revamped deal for Paul in that instance would keep Martin in Houston
and move Dragic, Lee, Hill and THabeet to Hornets
is that enough salaries to match?
I agree that would make more sense for Houston (to keep the vets) and NO (to go young and rebuild), but does it work logistically?
Thabeet makes almost 6, Hill about 3 something and Lee and 2.5.
That’s roughly the same amount as Martin.
I like this deal better for NO (still don't love it)
Lee has more value to contract than anyone in the previous deal, and it least now the Hornets get to “kick some tires” as it pertains to young, hope-to-be-developing players.
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I'm just wondering why Houston is facilitating this deal?
If that package grabs Paul, why not cut the freaking REDACTED out of the deal altogether and pitch in Lowry to boot.
Because Houston still gets Pau, right?
And they want him.
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But why Pau and not Paul?
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That goes back to where Paul will/won't sign a new contract
Which sucks.
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Oh I understand why
I was just trying to explain his question.
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If the same package can net you an L on top of your Pau
I think you’ve got to go for it. Can always move the L later.
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
If it's $8M
They should definitely keep him. Dally was signed for $16M last year. If they could resign Dally and MT for that that’d be great. Then flip JT for SF depth or Afflalo.
by wildcard530 on Dec 10, 2011 11:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
As for Jose B, it wasn't supposed to be a guard per Peaches
Do we need another guard? I don’t think so. Who else on that roster would we want?
Marion? Seems too old and too expensive but . . .
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he's talking about a sign-and-trade
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Well what would the Kings get in return?
That’s the part that makes no sense. Will they do a S&T with J.J. Barea? Anyone know what his estimated salary would be? In additon, if we include a Barea salary how much cap space would we have left? Enough to sign AK47?
im hoping to have enough money to sign nene as well..we need to include garcias contract. If we amnestied him we would still pay this years salary, correct?
Why amnesty Garcia?
We don’t need the money right now.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 10, 2011 11:18 AM PST up reply actions
Every years salary, it just wouldn't count against the cap
We don’t do that unless there was some giant deal on the table
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
Mark Stein
“If Mavs can get Dalembert on one-year deal, they have replacement for Chandler this season and cap space for 2012 free agency as top bidder.”
“Not immediately clear what Sacramento would want in return if deal can be struck but Kings known to covet Mavs free agent J.J. Barea
by Ocram21 on Dec 10, 2011 10:00 AM PST via mobile reply actions
God, f**k Barea.
I respect and like the guy too, but totally don’t care for him on this squad.
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The latest I just saw
The Mavericks are planning on using the trade exception they nabbed from the Tyson Chandler Knicks sign-and-trade to swing it to Sacramento, in exhange for a sign-and-trade for Samuel Dalembert. ESPN reports the idea is to make a huge one-year offer for Dalembert, which allows them to contend this year with a decent Chandler replacement for one year, then have room to make a splash in the big 2012 free agency…
How could we do a a ‘huge’ offer to Sammy and get what back? What is huge? I think for Sammy huge IS probably $12mil. I guess we’d get that trade exception back Dallas received for Chandler?
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Right...we'd get the exception
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
And . . . . ?
Those are good for what – a year?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
But I believe that GP, who has a conscience, feels he owes something to Sammy after renouncing him and having him reduce his salary demands last year to play for the Kings
He is trying to offer something to help the guy, and brokering a deal for him to get signed by Dallas is easy and costs the Kings nothing
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions
Right
And the trade exception is at the very least a tradeable asset.
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I don't know if a player (even in the form of draft pick, like a 2nd rounder in 2018) has to be included
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
I seem to recall Stephen Jackson (maybe?) being traded solely for an exception. I may not have the player right, but I think that I’ve seen it happen before. If not, then yeah, one of those future 2nd round draft picks that seem to trade hands about six times before they ultimately disappear.
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Geoff Petrie is a good will GM. He is using that good will for Sammy who is hunting for a deal. And yes, I like those apples.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
We gotta take something off of Dallas's hands though...
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If I'm understanding this right,
(note – there is a 100% chance that I am not understanding this right) The Kings don’t have to take a player back in trade, as they receive the trade exception. Dallas is allowed to take on Dalembert’s contract without reducing contract because they currently have this large trade exception. The trade exception becomes a tradeable asset for the Kings (unless they have visions of exceeding the cap on their own), and it allows them to give Dalembert a “gift” by facilitating a trade that enables him to land a good contract.
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correct
we dont have to take anything back but would love to barea on this roster..when was the last time a team had to JJ’s on it?
by SACroyals15 on Dec 10, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Fit?
If you add Barea, you are basically saying that Fredette sits this year. You have 96 minutes in the backcourt each night (plus maybe 6 minutes at SF when they slide Tyreke over there and go “small”). About 38 minutes for ’Reke, 32 minutes for Thornton. If you bring in Barea and give him 24 minutes, that leaves about 8 minutes for Fredette, which also means that Garcia and Isaiah Thomas wait for someone to get hurt.
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Right, i don't get it
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
You'd basically be saying you about the Jimmer - and your draft machinations
What? Something not good though.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 10:16 AM PST up reply actions
If Jimmer can't beat out Barea
Then we still have a backup PG. If he can, we have a tradeable asset, all for Sammy, who we aren’t going to sign anyway.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I think Barea creates a problem here as the roster is currently constructed
If Fredette doesn’t play, Jimmer fans will torch the place. If Barea goes from NBA champ contributor to pine sitter for a non-playoff team, he’s going bitch up a sh*t storm. And I still don’t think that he’s all that great.
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Dude goes home after the game to his GF
How much bitching can he do?
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Well if
Jimmer is as good as everyone is saying. That’s shouldn’t be a problem right? If jimmer does ball then we have a descent backup Pg.. We don’t want jimmer thinking he doesn’t have to play for anything, this dude ain’t proved shit yet.. Make the move for barea, a proven player to add dept to the roster. Kings are dumb if we don’t get a player back in return.
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 10, 2011 11:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yep
Two unproven rookies as our only PGs is not a recipe for a playoff run. I mean, we want to make a run at the playoffs right? We could use another PG and Barea is the best PG available right now.
Do you agree?
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by PhutureKings on Dec 10, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
It does matter
If Barea doesn’t get big minutes, he’s going to be one pouty mother – bank on it. And I agree that Fredette needs to earn his minutes – the first guy that he has to knock off is Garcia.
Again, this comes down to my perception that Barea is overrated and will cost too much money. He was not a very good player for most of last year. He peaked in the playoffs when he was given some very soft match ups. I think that he will cost more than a couple of million dollars and more than a year, and anything more than 1 year, $2m is too much for his limited skills and gaping holes, in my opinion.
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completely ok with Garcia sitting around.
though i think thomas can be a good player.
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not at all. i want both Jimmer and Thomas to play.
i dont want barea.
i guess i should have provided more info.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Are we aguring
that we don’t want to acquire a better player because he may beat our guys out for miniutes?
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
R before g except after u
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Is he better?
We just made a significant investment in the form of a high draft pick and moving down in the draft to add the Jimmer as our 3rd guard.
it makes no sense to move him down to the 4th for possibly years.
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
And Jimmer will sell tix if he's any good at all.
JJ?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I think we'd be taking a risk with Jimmer and Isaiah as our only PGs
It certainly wouldn’t hurt to have Barea to mitigate that risk. I think he would be a great addition THIS year. Down the line when Jimmer and Isaiah have more experience, I’m not sure there would be enough minutes to go around. But if anything he is an asset, and he is the best PG in this year’s free agency class.
Uhhhh, Tyreke?
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it was settled already
Reke isn’t a PG. That’s why we drafted Jimmer as our PG for the future. And we can’t deny that Jimmer and Isaiah are unproven at the NBA level. PG is also the toughest position to learn in the NBA. Hence, it wouldn’t hurt to get someone at the position who has proven himself. It’s good to have a bit of redundancy for competition and insurance against injuries.
I have yet to see
where the Kings have said that they drafted Jimmer to play the point.
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X a million
Jimmer is a chucker not a passer.
by Lotusprime on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The key
is that if Fredette develops you have a guy that can probably be on the floor with either Evans or Thornton, or both. No reason to pigeon hole Evans or Fredette as point guards or two guards.
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You'll hear it eventually
He’s going to have to play PG in the NBA. And if he’s going to start alongside Reke, that’s what he will be, a PG. Jimmer himself even conceded this fact, and believes himself to be a PG.
Question
Who was the point guard when Bibby and Christie were here? Bibby if you’re going by height or by who brought the ball across the time line, but once the offense started there was no point guard – Bibby’s assist stats were not overwhelming.
Evans will be the lead guard for this team, because he is the guy most likely to become a backcourt star for this team. Everyone else’s responsibilities will be based off of his development.
And 1 – Evans sure looked like a point guard down the stretch of his rookie season. Let’s see what he can do with two good feet under him again.
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The "PG" of that team was a combo of Vlade and C-Webb from the high post....
Princeton offense baby! ;-)
Exactly
And with passing bigs like Cousins and Hayes, our current guards may never see big assist numbers, either.
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good point
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions
Being a PG isn't just about assists
It’s about running a team. Getting everyone involved before looking for your own shot. I agree, the PG/SG positions will be blurred a little with Jimmer/Reke, but that doesn’t change the fact that Jimmer is going to have to learn how to run a team. He is going to have to share in that responsibility if he wants to play significant minutes in the NBA. And it’s going to take time.
Check out the Sacramento Kings Preview on NBA.com. Jimmer isn’t the only one who thinks he has to learn the PG position.
Check out Barea's advanced stats
The only thing about him that makes him a point guard is his height.
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It's not just about stats
Barea can run an offense. Half the time he’s on the floor, its a simple pick and roll, which he’s proven to be really good at. Hayes is one of the best screener’s in the game (according to Jerry Reynolds). Put that together and we’ve got something we can rely on when our starters are on the bench. Barea can make plays in the pick and roll, which is extremely valuable in the NBA.
I just don't see it
But it’s because I just don’t think he’s worth what someone will eventually pay for him, he’s been a defensive sieve his entire career excluding his time with Tyson Chandler, and he is a very inefficient offensive player. Aside from that, what’s not to like?
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He may not be an ideal backup PG
(Although he was the backup PG for a championship team). But he does have a very underrated skill in being great at pick and roll offense. On defense, he will mostly be asked to guard the other team’s backup PG, which shouldn’t be much of a problem. I just think that we could use a vet who can take some of the ball handling responsibilities. And Barea is the best one on the market. I just think that he would help us win games, plain and simple.
Barea being the best on the market is a reflection of the market, not on his talent
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
No
I don’t like Barea’s game and don’t want him here compared to what we already have.
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That's what I'm saying bro... That's what we need is competition.
If jimmer balls then great, but if he doesn’t then next man step up.. I feel u El
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 10, 2011 11:32 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Jimmer isn't going to develop quickly enough if we get Barea.
I wouldn’t mind a backup veteran PG, but I want one who’s (1) cheaper than Barea and (2) won’t complain if he takes a back seat to Jimmer.
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I don't care
You’re talking about 10-12 minutes a night behind Tyreke. Barea’s not going to be happy with that. Fredette or Thomas or Thornton or Garcia can initiate, given the fact that the Kings aren’t running a traditional pass-first point guard offense in the first place.
If Barea wants to come here for a year and play about 10 minutes a night backing up Tyreke Evans for $2m, I’m all for bringing him in. My bet is that he is looking for at least 3 years and $12-15m, and I wouldn’t pay that for him.
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You don't use your lottery pick, who is the Naismith winner and a fan phenom and put him at the end of the bench
It doesn’t make sense from a basketball roster strategy and it makes less sense from a ticket selling perspective.
Come see our new draft pick Jimmer Fredette – on the bench.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
He is not going to ask for that much.
Nor will he get it.
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We'll see
I don’t know how much of a haircut that he’s willing to take for the honor of playing in the NBA.
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Not knocking u Sec
But trust me bro, he’s not getting that type of $$$. Trust me
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 10, 2011 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
im arguing that i dont want to give a big pay day to a backup.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
The dude wasn't even a starting Pg
No way he’s getting 12 -13m type $$.. Come on guys.
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 10, 2011 12:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I see your "no way" and raise you Francisco Garcia's contract
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someone can make much less than 12 million and still be overpaid
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Well guys he is worth something right?
The dude came to our house last year & lit us up. & super balled in the playoffs hes got some skills,weather he had weak competition or not the guy is only 1 ft tall givethe man some value.. 1-2 m is a slap in the face don’t u think.. Damn yall cheap I would hate 4 u guys to be our GM. Lol.. J/k
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 10, 2011 12:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
You think he is going to get more money than Chuck Hayes got?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Here's a list of guards currently under multi-year contracts, non-starters, $3-$7m annually
For fairness, I did not include guys on their rookie deals or in the last year of their deals:
Jordan Farmar, CJ Watson, Ronnie Brewer, Corey Brewer, Steve Blake, Luke Ridnor, Jarrett Jack, Thabo Sefolosha, JJ Redick, Chris Duhon, Francisco Garcia, Ramon Sessions (albeit because the Cavs drafted Irving).
I don’t think “no way” means what you think it means. Might happen, might not. But this shows that it sure could happen.
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All that's nice.
But it’s not.
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 10, 2011 12:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Barea's better? Doubt it.
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We still have room to sign him
The renouncing cost Sammy a chance at a five year deal.
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by section214 on Dec 10, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
"A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced,"
According to Larry Coon’s Salary Cap FAQ #79. Has to be at least a 3-year deal but only the first year has to be guaranteed.
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by rc360 on Dec 10, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
We just renounced his Bird rights I think
He’s still our FA and we can resign him regardless of the cap but now for only 4 years (I think)
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
anyone could sign and trade him if they have the cap space, correct?
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
No. If he's not our FA you have to hang on to him for 3 months or
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
got it.
so he is still considered our free agent even though we renounced his rights?
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From the first link
A sign-and-trade deal can be made even with players who have been renounced
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
BTW, CP3 back to Lakers in new trade. Details just starting to emerge.
Changes apparently in what Lakers are sending.
I think a lot people, particularly some columnists (Bill Simmons) are negating the overall worry about the CP3 deal. Get Chris Paul now and Dwight Howard later this season
That is what Dan Gilbert was crowing about.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
CP3 is the first shoe to drop
Dwight to the Lakers is the 2nd.
If this happens, I’ll be infuriated. It’s total bull that the league allows the Lakers to have feeder teams to funnel all-star and superstars to their roster just because they have a big market with an asinine tv deal to fund their expenditures.
5 years of Lakers versus Heat
could get boring
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to people who live in LA
Or Miami.
by Lotusprime on Dec 10, 2011 11:57 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Actually I meant...the finals would be fun to watch
Its the season, knowing that is always the finals, will be boring.
I remember when the Kings were good and guaranteed the playoffs, the regular season was good but no where near as much fun as when every game meant something because you knew we needed every win to get to the playoffd.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
well, if they can pull it off by following the rules and money and market is their facilitator
than that’s the breaks, more power to them. I don’t like it but it’s a square deal.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Except this isn't the case
And Dwight Howard is not going to be a Laker.
Lakers can offer Andrew Bynum. The Nets can offer Brook Lopez.
Lopez is younger, better, and injury-free.
No way the Magic would take Bynum over Lopez.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
I'm hearing that Bynum may be in the trade for CP3 instead of Odom and they are getting Okafor back.
by vikinginferno on Dec 10, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
30 minutes ago...
chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Lots of speculation that Emeka Okafor is in the new CP3 deal. Source says he is not part of trade.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
id hope not. he and scola would compliment each other well
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Come on.
Lakers magically pull trade after trade out like this. They could get both and I wouldn’t be surprised
by LightningStrike5 on Dec 10, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I could see the Lakers swapping out Bynum for Odom
so the Hornets get younger in the trade.
But that makes even less likely they could swing Howard trade.
Odom for Howard? Thats laughable.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
But if Howard says he won't resign with NJ,
they’ll be coerced into trading him to the Lakers.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 10, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
If Dwight and DWill are both in NJ
And they don’t both resign, they’re insane.
by LightningStrike5 on Dec 10, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Well...
The latest is Dwight Howard wants to go to NJ Nets, or at least is receptive to it.
And Otis Smith does not give off vibe of GM who is going to be coerced into sheer stupidity.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Agreed
Otis Smith does not need to be coerced to be stupid.
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by section214 on Dec 10, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
i'd be even more infuriated
if other Owners/ Stern have say in whether the Lakers can get Dwight Howard, seeing that he will be a “free” agent. Why can’t they play where they want to play, if they’re willing to leave $30 million on the table??
come on now
Dwight is not going to LA. He came out and said, send me to Brooklyn. Once Gasol is traded to the Rockets the Lakers won’t have enough assets for Dwight. And Dwight will be traded to the Nets no doubt.
What would we do with a trade exception?
I don’t think the kings have any intention of exceeding the cap. Would we use it to take on someone’s inflated 1 year contract? I’m still confused on how this helps the Kings in any way, other than doing Sammy a favor.
I think we would use it as a trading asset
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
trade asset
but what would we get in return? an inflated 1 year contract?
You use it to help faciliate a trade
and you net a young player or a draft pick in return. On the other hand, if nothing ever comes of it, what have you lost?
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Non-related
Denver offers Mbah a Moute 4 years, $19m. Milwaukee has a few days to match. That would be a nice pick up for the Nugs, especially with Wilson Chandler stuck in China. I think the Bucks match, though.
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And Greg Oden probably not playing again this year
(Didn’t I already post that before wifey shut my laptop?)
if somewhere else – sorry
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by lietothegirls on Dec 10, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
This is why I have a phone
No shutting the phone down.
by Lotusprime on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
He would fit in nicely with that roster
George Karl will do wonders with him.
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Fair contract for Mbah a Moute
If that guy could learn how to hit a spot up three he’d be amazing.
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Get 'er done Petrie
Honestly, this has no effect on us. But, I’m a firm believer in karma
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
...soo why do the Lakers keep on winning???
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
by Shizzo on Dec 10, 2011 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
We have no room for Barea
Rather use our cap elsewhere.
by LightningStrike5 on Dec 10, 2011 11:09 AM PST reply actions
Three team trade
Knicks get Chandler
Washington gets Turiaf
Dallas gets small pieces and a trade exception I believe
Billups is amnestied
I hope the Kings get a lotto protected 1st round next year from the Mavs.
That way we can ship that one to the Cavs to replace the Omri/JJ deal pick we sent to them.
I don't think it's up to Cleveland.
They agreed to a lottery protected 1st rounder. I really don’t anticipate us in the playoffs just yet, therefore no pick this year in that scenario. Having a Dallas late 1st allows us to move it to them and fulfill the trade obligation of a non-lotto first round pick.
Is there any confirmation that the non-lotto 1st round pick HAS to be a Sacramento Kings non-lotto 1st round pick?
Interesting thought.
If I was Cleveland I would prefer to wait a year or two and get a lottery pick. We traded our pick with the conditions. I wouldn’t think we would be able to substitute someone else’s pick.
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I suppose it matters of the language of the deal
But there’s a strong possibility it just has to be a late 1st rounder and if that’s the case, I don’t think they get to elect when they get it unless it’s absolutely spelled out in the contract of the trade.
I'm sure it specifically states that it's our pick because if it's like you're hoping:
Let’s say we make the playoffs this season and our pick is #17 and we pick up Dallas’ #26 pick. In your scenario we could make them take Dallas’ pick instead of ours. I don’t think so.
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
on the flipside of that
if our pick is #23 and Dallas’ pick is #15 we get to keep the #15 pick.
Chauncey has officially being waived using the amnesty clause
Might be in the minority but I wouldn’t mind if Petrie puts a bid for him. He’d be an expiring, adds lots of experience and can still play a bit.
I still think the team needs to add a veteran G on the cheap. If we still need to reach the salary floor at some point, why not?
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by edm7 on Dec 10, 2011 11:55 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I would love to add Chauncey
but I think he would refuse to play here if we signed him.
by rmgordon4 on Dec 10, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly
Any team he agrees to go to should pick him up right away.
Not only is he a good player still, he’s an amazing player-coach.
Imagine him telling Reke how to play? Amazing.
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I would love it
but after his quotes that just came out, he’s probably not coming.
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Yeah I know
It’s all lust, no love. There won’t be any relationship.
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by iashwash on Dec 10, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
he is out of his mind.
if he wants freedom then he can accept a $0.00 buyout
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
just like the owners have to live with the deal... so do the players
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I believe I just read
claimed players through this amnesty process can’t be traded until July 1st
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Bid for him
And if he won’t play, at least he won’t play for Miami.
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On a side note, which of the general consensus contenders are u rooting most for?
" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn
None
I’m rooting for the Kings.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 10, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
He wouldn't refuse
He’s got 14 million reasons not to.
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
Trade exception
If we get one from the Mavericks for a S&T of Sammy, can we use that trade exception to sign someone above the cap that was not our FA?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Thanks.
So we could use a trade exception to go above the cap on a trade where we take more salary. We could also trade the trade exception to another team so they could go over the cap on a trade, and we’d receive something or someone back in return, right?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Yeah. You trade the exception for a player.
We could use it to take on an expiring at the deadline. Allowing a tax team to save cash and netting us cash and or pick(s).
Though, we wouldn’t need it unless we get up close to the cap.
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
Is the amount of the exception dependent on the size of the S&T contract?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Yeah, 100% +100k, I think
Here’s the link, trade exception is a non-simultaneous trade. Look at #72 for more on that.
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
I've been having my hopes up thinking
We’d do a sign & trade with Memphis. Sending them Sammy for maybe 3 years $24 million & getting back Gasol for a max. That would save Memphis about $7+ million a year. Not including luxury taxes they’d have to pay if they went over the tax line.
This wouldn’t change them that much as a team I would think.
by Allbenji on Dec 10, 2011 11:59 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I thought Rockets
I thought that the Rockets desperately wanted Sammy, I bet they come with a bigger better option then Mavs.
No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans
Hey - The Kings have acquired a new player in Chuck Hayes and Section has not posted his predicted Jerryisms. We need a StR Welcome Wagon for the Chuckster
I have to admit, it’s a tough to find any. I am calling on a higher power to led the way.
The Chuck Wagon has served him lunch
Purple Hayes all in his brain
Weak sauce, but all I can think of today
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 12:28 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Hey, hey Hayes!
in a Fat Albert voice? No way Jerry does that, though
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 10, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
So you want to drive the lane?
Talk to Chuck
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by A Night At The Arco on Dec 10, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Jerryisms
You’ve just been served your lunch by the Chuck Wagon.
(After Hayes takes a charge, Blake Griffin edition) Looks like old Blake just got a taste of ground Chuck.
The Tasmanian Modestanian!
(And I think the Purple Hayes moniker is the best.)
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by section214 on Dec 10, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
When Marcus Thornton lights up Derrick Rose
“Every Rose has its Thornton”
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by kwill on Dec 10, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Just wait’ll we get our Hayes on you.
by Caljin on Dec 10, 2011 2:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
"Looks like Chuck Hayes is giving opposing big men a little...
Hayefever"
by jveezy on Dec 10, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Or "Chuck Hayes giving opposing big men a...
Hayesterectomy
by jveezy on Dec 10, 2011 1:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Or "Chuck Hayes is giving opposing big men a...
lot of trouble."
I’m not good at this game am I….
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Welcome to Anaheim Bruce Boudreau!
Go Ducks Go!
by JuMowbray on Dec 10, 2011 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'm down with that.
If he can get someone to foul out:
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hayes Hayes Hayes
Goodbye
by jveezy on Dec 10, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A good rebounding night
Another one of Chuck Hayes’ Glass Buffets
by jveezy on Dec 10, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Once all signings and trades seemed to have died down
and we know what our team will look like, we’ll have a 24Q: Jerryisms/Nickname post.
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Marc Stein
Source close to process tells ESPN that, as long as Kings have enough cap room, they can sign and trade Dalembert even after renouncing him
My favorite part of this is that ESPN needs a source to tell them that the Kings have enough cap room.
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by A Night At The Arco on Dec 10, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Such a great way to spend a Saturday afternoon
Study for a Calculus II final while enjoying the free agency speculation with the best fans in the world.
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
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by A Night At The Arco on Dec 10, 2011 12:37 PM PST reply actions
Thornton derives the lane. He sure has become an integral part of the offense this series. Well,
there was a convergence of factors that led to his signing. Fortunately, he passed his Pee Test last week.
Peaches as the kings decimate the L@&$ers in the playoffs.
by fryingpan136 on Dec 10, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
My God! These are all fantastic!
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
Miles from the novel "Sideways"
by A Night At The Arco on Dec 10, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I want my bug name signing!
Seriously? Lawrence hill and Adrian oliver?
by ina_118 on Dec 10, 2011 1:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Does that mage Lawrence Hill
our training camp mudder?
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Darren Oliver
Is a sav. He was one of the top scorers in the NCAA the past couple years, albeit playing for SJSU in the WAC. He should put some pressure on Isaiah and would be a great practice/scouting squad player to go up against Jimmer and Reke. Dude’s got some serious O game.
Wow, and he had time for two World Series appearances. Impressive.
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maybe THATS carmichael dave's rocky reference
If I was in a room with Bin Laden, Hitler, and Robert Horry, and I had a gun with two bullets, I'd shoot Robert Horry twice.
so i'm still a bit confused
what does this trade exception rights get us in the future? A future pick ? If so, this is a good deal. If we can double up first round draft picks in the 2012 draft I’d be ecstatic
Since we now have 15 players signed, does that mean that the "Big Name" fell through?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Dear Chauncey Billups,
If you wanted freedom you should have signed a one year contract.
I’m sure if you want to give back the $14 million you’re gonna get this year New York will let you go wherever you want.
F*** that guy.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Dec 10, 2011 1:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sounds personal
Was he the “Big Name”?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
his quotes today were just completely over the top.
before i thought it was just his agent posturing. apparently not.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
by TrojanCBB on Dec 10, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd be pissed if I was Chauncey too
All he owes the team that picks him up is to show up and play, which I’m pretty sure he will do to avoid leaving all that money on the table. However, he’s not contractually obligated to provide a cheery presence in the locker room or mentoring for young players, and he’s making it pretty clear that he has no interest in doing that for a non-contender. I don’t fault him for a little spite at this point.
what he owes the team paying him $14 MILLION is to not be a douche bag.
He gave up freedom to choose where he played when he signed that long term deal. He traded that freedom for the opportunity to be grossly overpaid on the downside of his career.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
he knew how nba trades worked when he signed the contract.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Agreed 100%
As (I think) you stated earlier, if he wants to stand on his principles, let him except a $0 buyout and he’s free to go wherever he wants.
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Accept, not except
Good grief, where did that come from?
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If asked, he is obligated to help young players.
Why you would think that helping the young players is not part of the job description, I have no idea.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
The test is called "the reasonable test."
If he was asked to do something that is not reasonable to his duties he could decline without fault. If he was asked to do something that was reasonable, and declined, he would be at fault. If he did that he could be disciplined and fined, because it is not unreasonable for a veteran to be expected to show rookies the ropes.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Not what I meant at all
Of course he has to work with young players in practice if the coach asks him to. I just meant he’s not going to put in any extra effort to mentor anybody or be a good locker room guy.
This is all hypothetical and pointless, anyway. I’m just saying that I understand his bitterness, and if I was in his shoes, I wouldn’t want to end my career on a young non-playoff team either. He’s either trying to game his way onto the team he wants (in which case he would just show up to collect a check if he lands on a team he doesn’t like), or he’s genuinely considering retirement over it. I don’t fault him either way.
I agree. I hope Minnesota or Sacramento signs him and force him to retire.
Otherwise, a contender signs him cheap and the competition just gets better.
Here are Billups options
1. Play for whoever bids for you for 1 year, be a professional, make your pro-rated $14 million. Then go ahead and sign with whoever the heck you want afterwards, making even more money!
2. Retire and forfeit all money, never play in NBA again.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 10, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Not to mention said team may trade him to a contender before the deadline
Not a horrific situation for Billups no matter where he goes. Especially since I believe he wants to coach after his career. Nice chance to practice.
From Jason Jones
By the way I can confirm the Kings are trying to lure Andrei Kirilenko from Russia.
by LightningStrike5 on Dec 10, 2011 1:52 PM PST reply actions
No!
I want Gasol.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
This is now its own Fanshot on the Front page.
FYI
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It doesn't look like AK is Russian to get here.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Dec 10, 2011 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
From Adrian Wojnarowski
Dwight Howard has requested that the Orlando Magic trade him to the New Jersey Nets, league sources tell Y! Sports.
Thank god it’s not the Lakers
First Proclamation "The Kings will make the playoffs!!!"
Not supporting my argument but the man can only dream, its up to Sacramento Kings to validate my proclamation this early lol
Ok few points on the status of the Western Conference
1. Phoenix Suns – its not the same Suns a few years back with Nash, Amare & company.
2. Portland Trailblazers – no Roy and no Oden, LaMarcus out for 2 weeks (heart problem?)
3. Golden State Warriors – need adjustment, new coach, Curry vs. Ellis
4. Minnesota Timberwolves – Kahn alone supports my argument, but they also needs adjustment, coach Adelman i know will make this team better but not this season.
5.Houston Rockets – also will adjust to new system, new coach
6.Denver Nuggets – not enough player to compete?
7.Utah Jazz – No more Jerry Sloan
8. New Orleans Hornets – No CP3 = no playoffs?
The Western Conference i think is very very open!!!
So much for this idea
Dallas trading exception to Lakers for Odom.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 10, 2011 9:11 PM PST reply actions
Just say this
Dalembert is seeing his options dry up in front of his eyes.
Maybe he can be had for cheap(er) now?
"If the 49ers success offends you, so be it." Jim Harbaugh
And now they are trying to get Dwight Howard to LA
Which is infinitely the better move. If this trade is made I would hope to see another veto, just to piss of the [redacted].
"If the 49ers success offends you, so be it." Jim Harbaugh
by Mityt on Dec 10, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i think the internet would self combust if Dan Gilbert is able to block a trade that has nothing to do with the Hornets
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Well to be fair
He could go to Orlando once Howard is gone.
by Lotusprime on Dec 10, 2011 9:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Then why wouldn't he stay?
The Kings have a better roster and situation.
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 11, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
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