24Q: What Does Jamal Crawford Chase Mean?
by Tom Ziller on Dec 13, 2011 3:57 PM PST
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The Sacramento Kings are unlikely to sign Jamal Crawford, I would imagine; according to Sam Amick, the Portland Trail Blazers and New York Knicks are also in the hunt, and the Kings never really do anything with a full-court press.
While the Kings have cap space, those two teams need Crawford more, at least on paper. The Knicks are making their runs and have no backcourt playmaking; the Blazers are rather light on the perimeter. Both teams expect to be in the playoffs.
Do the Kings?
Crawford is 31, and one expects that this would be a short-term (1-2 years) deal. The Kings would seem to have their backcourt rotation in place with Tyreke Evans (starting at point guard), Marcus Thornton (starting at two-guard) and Jimmer Fredette (off the bench for either), with Francisco Garcia and Isaiah Thomas ready to fill in. Adding Crawford pops Fredette over to back-up point guard full-time; it could push Thornton into a back-up role in the immediate term, which would be really odd considering the Kings just spent $31 million on Thornton over four years. That's not "back-up from Day 1" money.
Crawford is a scorer, an experienced gunner never shy on the trigger with decent but not great playmaking ability and a decent foul-drawing streak. He's basically a bigger Thornton, but one who's been around for years. What's the plan here?
I understand the club's push to add some seasoning to all this raw meat, but if you're signing Jamal Crawford at this stage, you are doing so to make a serious run at the No. 8 seed. There's no way around it. You can see a player like Andrei Kirilenko being a factor for multiple years given the core of the club. With the backcourt looking the way it does, the same doesn't apply to Crawford. Backcourt bench scorer would seem to be a spot of plenty for the Kings already.
Is it wise to chase Crawford given what the Kings have? What's it mean for what Geoff Petrie and Paul Westphal see in this team?
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All I know is
I’m actively rooting for Portland and New York to win this FA chase.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 13, 2011 3:59 PM PST reply actions 7 recs
Even on a one year deal I still don't like it
Because I just don’t get his fit on this team.
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I'm going a step further than rooting. I'm tweeting Crawford that Power Balance Arena is haunted.
Not taking any chances here.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 13, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Make sure to mention the Indian Burial Ground
And how Portland is amazing all year round.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 13, 2011 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and that Power Balance Pavilion is in
Sacramento.
huh? wha?
by effin steve on Dec 13, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Honestly, if I had to play for a team whose building is on top of an Indian burial ground...
…Portland would be my first choice. By far!
All jokes aside, I feel for Portland and their fans
Just some horrible luck.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 4:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No doubt about it
I don’t believe in curses, but damn if Portland’s not making me reconsider.
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by HeuristicLineup on Dec 13, 2011 6:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Taking minutes away from our rookies
Taking shots away from our main options. Playing bad defense on an already bad defensive team. Not being a good enough player to make up for those deficiencies. Shall I go on?
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 5:06 PM PST up reply actions
Our team isn't bad defensively
Not great, but not bad either. Gonna be better this year, especially with Hayes & Salmons added to the mix already. Also, we have no guards with any playoff experience. While I like our chances with what we already have, our chances only get much better with Crawford on the team. Jimmers minutes won’t be reduced. Don’t worry about that. You’re gonna see lots of 3 guard rotations
Besides Hayes and, to a lesser extent Salmons, our team is pretty bad
Evans: has the tools to be a good defender, just not the want
Thornton: Not a terrible defender, I’d peg him at sightly below average
Jimmer: Too soon to tell, but I’d say he isn’t that great either
Isaiah: Same as Jimmer
Cisco: Average-to-slightly above average depending on his matchup
Donte: Same as Cisco
Salmons: Above average most of the time
Honeycutt: Too soon to tell, my guess is slightly below average at this time
JT: Average defender, but could be slightly above average if he worked on his positioning and dropped his fouls down
Hickson: below average defender, has never been really good
Hayes: Above-average to great defender especially if playing PF
DMC: Average for now, has the tools to be a good or great one just like Tyreke, but too many fouls, and bad positioning kill him. Doesn’t help that he let’s his emotions get the better of him sometimes.
Whiteside: Below average-to-bad. He may be good at blocking shots, but that doesn’t make him a good defender. His positioning and footwork are really bad right now to say the least, and his post D in general is really lacking. He has no DIQ besides trying to block every shot he sees which leaves his man open or draws a foul.
So judging by this, I’d say we have a below average-to-bad defense, which Jamal really won’t help with
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
I like it unless the signing of Crawford would prohibit signing AK.
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Don’t like it any way
by Since'89 on Dec 13, 2011 4:59 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
I'd take Crawford over AK
I think we’re fine with Salmons & Greene at 3. We’re gonna run a lot of 3 guard rotations anyway. Everyone seems to be worried about Thornton & Jimmers minutes but I dont think there is any reason to be worried about that. They’re still gonna play a ton. Crawford just gives us added depth and we’ll always have fresh legs with the guards. Crawford brings veteran & playoff experience to the backcourt. We already have that at the 3 with Salmons, and Hayes at the 4/5. We need a guard like Crawford way more than we do in AK. AK is demanding way too much money. Crawford is more affordable and he really is more of what we need. We don’t need AK. He has the right personality for this team as well. Anyone who can get Crawford but pass on him is crazy. Absolutely crazy. Contenders want the guy and they can’t get him because they don’t have the money. We’re lucky to have this chance to get him. I also read that we offered him $5mil just like Portland but we’re the only team that can offer even more. If we gotta offer more, then freakin do it. You don’t want Crawford going to a division opponent as talented as Portland.
You think having Salmons and Greene is fine?
Mr. Ball Stopper and Mr. Inconsistency doesn’t constitute as fine to me. And no, if Crawford comes, then their minutes will almost assuredly take a big hit. You can’t run three guard offenses all game, especially defensively challenged ones like the one being mentioned.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
Dude we're not making a championship run here...
Crawford is a one-year player. Why waste the money on him when we can get AK for a few years, and at least have a chance of making the playoffs with him on the roster to help?
Are we sure we can get AK?
It’s all about aquiring assets, figuring out what players we want to move forward with at the deadline and then trade four quarters for a dollar bill. Assets, assets, assets….and Crawford would be an asset.
Any new player needs to be player who plays plus defense and defers on offense
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Don’t see where he fits for us.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 13, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
NY needs cap space to sign Crawford
Who could they send us to get them space that would make us want to help them out?
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
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I don't know ...we have such a glut of PFs
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 13, 2011 4:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But if we amnesty DMC we can make room.
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I am sure if we signed Crawford
the Kings brass would see it as him being another experienced wing to help out at 2 and 3 and as insurance if Fredette, Greene and Garcia are not productive, and to give Fredette time to grow. However, I agree that I would rather roll with who we have at those spots and rather get a 3/4 like AK47 since he would fit a better need.
No thanks. I would rather throw even MORE money at Kirilenko if that means no Crawford.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 13, 2011 4:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I could say the same about you
Seriously
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:00 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Crawford could throw more at us to make us want him
but there is a 59% chance he will miss
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 13, 2011 4:09 PM PST reply actions 19 recs
The 11 rec's would say otherwise
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
This guy is seriously rubbing me the wrong way.
by Ultrakingsfan on Dec 13, 2011 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
Ehh it's the only entertainment I have
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
I think the Kings may be putting in these offers to scare AK47 into signing with them.
It seems like the Kings are giving AK47 the best offer of any team and if we sign Crawford it could use up the cap space that AK47 would have received. This could force AK47 into making a quicker decision.
I sent Jamal a tweet
@JCrossover MT23 and Tyreke are penciled in for 40 MPG. Jimmer’s been promised all back up minutes per contract clause. Can you play center?
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by bench_blob on Dec 13, 2011 4:15 PM PST reply actions 15 recs
Hey!
Jamal Crawford just blocked me on twitter. O well, mission accomplished :)
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by bench_blob on Dec 13, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Best defense that he's played in years
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions 28 recs
Jason Jones indicates on Twitter that ownership is pushing for more signings because they don't want to be perceived as sitting on cap space
THIS IS A PROFOUNDLY STUPID REASON.
Honestly, I like the line-up as currently constituted
Unless there’s a blockbuster for someone exceptional, I’m happy. Seems like a good blend of young guys and vets, and with a nice nucleus starting to form. PW kept a struggling team playing hard most nights last season, and if he can do the same I’d think the Kings can play near .500 ball with plenty of room to grow. That works for me in 2011-12.
Fantastic! Reminds me of the rumor of how Memphis signed Cardinal to a stupid contract
“An exceptionally well-connected league insider once told me the story of how Brian Cardinal got his mid-level. Seems Memphis owner Michael Heisley, frustrated by general manager Jerry West’s lack of activity, walked into West’s office one day and asked why he hadn’t signed anyone yet. So an exasperated West picked up his phone, called Cardinal’s agent and offered the mid-level on the spot. Then he turned to Heisley and said something along the lines of “There, you happy now?”"
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by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 13, 2011 4:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I got a solution.
Make a trade for Josh Childress. Fills a need AND you use cap space.
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Jamal Crawford?? WTF???
No.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 13, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Take the money you would've spent on wasting cap space
and use it to help pay for a new arena. That’ll shut up all the people questioning the Maloofs’ commitment.
by jveezy on Dec 13, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Actually, that's a good reason in my opinion
It shows they’re aware that they’re perceived as cheap and apparently want to repair their image.
The Malindas business plan
ownership is pushing for more signings because they don’t want to be perceived as sitting on cap space
The Malindas business plan in a sentence:
Smoke ’em if you got ’em.
What did you expect?
It’s the Malindas
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Jamal has a TS% of 54%.
link
This is a little above average.
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I'm thankful to have you in my STR life kwill
Ur the only one backing me up on this from what I’ve seen
He's a good 6'5" vet.
His overall fg% is low because he takes so many 3s. But this does not matter because his 3 point % is above average, as noted by his TS%. People need to realize that shooting 3s at 33% is the same as shooting 2s at 50%. Jamal shoots 3s at 35% and has a TS% of 54%. That’s nothing to sneeze at.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I'm sure I've missed the discussion elsewhere, but what makes him desirable to you?
I see him as a somewhat above average vet who doesn’t really fit into a long-term plan. What am I missing, even taking into account kwill’s stats below? Feels a little knee jerk to me.
I agree that he's not a long term option.
I think that’s the point. These guys, like Jimmer, Thornton, and Reke, need a vet to show them how to run the offense.
I think Jamal is the right choice, even above a Nash or Kidd (if we could get them) because Jimmer, Thornton and Reke would never turn into a Nash or Kidd type player.
So I think the logic is to get a vet whos style resembles the young players you have.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
But
He’s not teaching them team play. And while you could MAYBE sell me on JC for this season, he’s going to want a 3 year contract. I want no piece of years 2 and 3. And I really don’t want year 1 either.
I would like to see 2 years max.
He would want 3 no doubt. But maybe he could be had with 3. I just don’t know.
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I meant be had with 2.
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I'd rather sign a vet PG who can teach and would have a good attitude as our
young uns overtook him and stole his minutes.
I guess I'm unaware.
Does Jamal have a bad attitude?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I don't think he's a cancer, but I also think he would balk at playing 8mpg
once Jimmer learned the ropes.
I agree in thining Jimmer will develop.
But we really don’t know until it happens. If he didn’t, Jamal would provide an apt stop gap to help us into the playoffs.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I can see that point of view.
With Jamal, Jimmer would develop more slowly. There’s little doubt about that.
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That's not possible
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Playoffs
I really think with the pursuit of AK and Jamal, the Kings are bound and determined to make the playoffs this year.
Dang. It’s nice to feel like there is actually a possibility this year.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I'd rather have us compete for them organically as team grows
Than force and 8th seed visit with older vets whose contracts will limit our upside in the future.
I think this team can compete for the playoffs this year without JC.
Agreed
Although, I think the playoffs are a possibility without Jamal. With Jamal, I think they’re a certainty. But damn this feels good just talking about it!! And who was 1st on STR to say Kings need to get Jamal??………
Thanks kwill for having my back
Sad there's only 2 haha
Just messing with you, but really I think its best not to sign this guy… like at all
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
That doesn't make any sense
If you can add a guard as talented as Jamal, you do it. That simple. The guy makes every team he’s on better. I’d take him over AK without blinking. Read my other posts throughout this thread for reasons why. I’ve been trying to explain this way too much and I’m tired of stating the same stuff.
Read every other post besides yours to read my reasons why I don't want him
Obviously you think he is a star, which he is not. He is an inefficient, high-usage guard of which we have more than we already need. You say he will make everyone better, but how will he do that taking his own shots though? He is not a passer, nor a playmaker, he is a chucker first and foremost and that’s what he will always be. We don’t need that on this team. AK>>>>>>Crawford big time.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you kidding??
Not a passer?? Not a playmaker?? Inefficient?? Stop. Just stop. When it comes to Jamal, all of you are dead wrong.
As are the stats
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
So is your monkey.
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Latest is that he wants to play 1 and go FA again
He porbably wants an opt out for year 2
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Then freakin give it to him
I’ll die a happy man even if Jamal is only here 1 year. If I had my way, he’d retire a King and get a job with the organization if he wanted it lol. Jamal is frickin dope.
Uhmm... ok now we're pushing it a lil bit
Pretty sure your being sarcastic, but still. And if I had my way by the way, he would never be a King
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
And Kemba
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 8:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Section, I'm new here but
I like you. I have rec’d like 3 of your posts just in this thread.
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Appreciate it
I’m a dismembered head floating in a bowl of gelatin, so this type of positive feedback means a lot – it’s really all I have.
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That was not supposed to happen
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Damn, someone forgot to give me the memo
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions
Is that a Futurama reference?
if so I might like you as much as Ninja loves Jamal Crawford
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Most of 214's references...
….are either Futurama or Simpsons.
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Or Steel Magnolias
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sandy Sheedy approves of your Shirley McLaine fetish.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 14, 2011 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess for me I'd rather hope that Bobby Jackson can handle the teaching
Then, that the young guards buy into whatever system we’re trying to use. I think I see where you’re coming from however, especially:
So I think the logic is to get a vet whos style resembles the young players you have.
…which I wouldn’t have thought of.
And what I meant by that is our players are combo guards.
They’re not lights out shooters, nor are they passing artists.
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Such a bummer that there's another end of the basketball court
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There's no way Geoff is dumb enough to sign him
There is absolutely no logic in bringing him over. Let’s just hurry up and sign Andrei already.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 4:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I would rather have AK than Jamal.
Maybe Jamal is te backup plan. I don’t know if they could sign both unless they amnesty someone. And there’s no need to do that.
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I think this is where we differ
For me, Jamal > AK. Easily. We already got Salmons & Greene for the 3 anyway. Neither of them are weak. Gonna run lots of 3 guard rotations anyway. And AK costs way too much. Way too much. IMO.
Now I'm sensing you're just trolling
Salmons is average (if you’re being generous) and Donte has been less than mediocre thus far in his career.
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Otis
I totally agree about Donte, but do you really think Salmons is just an average player?
I would say Salmons is a 6.5 out of 10 player. Though you didn’t bring it up, I would say that AK is a 7.5 out of 10 player.
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Maybe so
Obviously, I’ve got a bias against him, but that’s because he sucked most of the joy (as well as most of the aesthetics out of local professional basketball) during his last stint with the Kings.
I’ve been on this ride before, and it sucked the first time. Now it’s aged a few years.
And quite honestly, I don’t think he’s a better basketball player than Cisco.
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I remember him last time too.
He rubbed me the wrong way sometimes too. I think he pounded the rock so much then because there were no other real options. It was kind on like Reke in his first year, without the excitement. I hope he realizes he’s not the only good player in town this time. If he does, I think he’ll be a real asset. We’ll see. I hope I’m right.
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I hope you're right as well
It’s not just the pounding the ball, it was the gloomy demeanor.
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NO LOGIC??
Not true. It gives us the best backcourt rotation in the league and gives us a veteran off the bench who has shown the ability to perform at the highest level. Makes us a better team. Gives us a veteran guard with playoff experience, which we don’t have at the guard position, unless you think Salmons is gonna play many minutes at the guard this year, which is unlikely since we have Jimmer & Thornton. Now, if we can get AK47, then I’m thinking Petrie will go that route instead.
Where's the picture of the cricket when we need it?
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 4:41 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
What did he just say?
I think he was talking about that backup PG for Atlanta last season being better than us
Not sure if trollin
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 13, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
In fairness, he did say best backcourt rotation
Tyreke/Thornton/Crawford/Fredette/Thomas
Rondo/Allen/Dooling/Daniels/Bradley
Thank you
And I’ll take the Kings backcourt over the Celtics. Rondo can’t shoot for his nothing. Allen is Allen, wish he was a King. Dooling is a solid vet but I’ll take our guys over him. Daniels & Bradley?? Really?? Yea, I’ll take the Kings guard rotation anyday over Bostons if we have Crawford. And who would take Rondo over Evans?? Nobody.
Actually I'm pretty sure alot of people would
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
That is true but he is also a perfect fit for that particular team
And there are alot of teams that could use a Rondo style PG. Some might say the Kings are one of those teams. Put Tyreke on the Celtics and I don’t think you will get the same results.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so
The reason the Celtics run so smoothly is because they have a “pure” point guard running the team. Tyreke, as we know, isn’t exactly adept at moving the ball when he needs to all the time, and that’s my point of FIT! With Tyreke, I don’t think they win the championship, and they would not be as good of a team because certain teams are built for certain players, this is not NBA 2K12
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Hell... No!
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
I like Jamal as a player...
If I liked looking at a guy shoot the ball every time he has it. I know he’s better but he kinda reminds me of Nocioni only a better playmaker, scorer, and poorer defender.
Jamal is a decent scorer in the right situation as he was in ATL last year. But on a team already filled with people with high usage rates, it just doesn’t make sense. He is a guy that needs the ball to be effective just like Salmons, Tyreke, Thornton, and Cousins. Adding one more player that takes away their opportunities could really kill ball movement.
Jamal may be a combo guard, but his PG skills are really lacking as I’ve seen plenty of his games and his vision isn’t any better than Thornton’s. I also seem to remember him having a falling out with Don Nelson when he was with GSW, but I don’t know if I can blame him entirely for that.
Besides on a team this young, we should be getting players that compliment well with our youth, not players that will take minutes from them. Overall I’m just really confused and I hope Portland or NY sign him.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 4:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Broussard
Chris_Broussard Jamal Crawford has limited his choices to Portland, Sacramento and NYK, source says.
Broussard is about an hour late on this news.
And his source is probably all the tweets from other reporters who have said this in the past hour.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 13, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, looking at his advanced statistics
His 2009-2010 season was a pretty severe outlier. Outside of that, he’s been pretty consistently so-so over the years.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/crawfja01.html
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 4:42 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think you're getting off
70+ comments of Crawford love for you today and still counting. Cigarette?
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Never before have I seen such adoration for one player
who’s name is not Jimmer
..."You've got Burkle?"
by kingsforaday on Dec 13, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
It definitely reminds me of bearking's thing for Jimmer
But to be fair, if the Kings had been in the running for Jeremy Pargo I probably would have exhibited the same blind fanaticism that our resident Ninja seems to have adopted.
by Zag Luis Obispo on Dec 14, 2011 12:56 AM PST up reply actions
It means someone needs to lears SF
or someone gets screwed. Why waste money on this unless it is like Kwame Browns new one year deal, even the I don’t this he’s worth it. Lookings at our 4 main guards, Tyreke is the only possible SF which may help if thats the plan (I think I heard Paul say he would run a Jimmer, Tyreke, Thorton lineup). If all 4 stay in only the pg/sg positions, then we are wasting money on players we don’t need.
pg: Tyreke (33) Jimmer (15)
sg: Thorton (30) Crawford (18)
I don’t like. Give me some AK-47 instead.
Is it an either/or for Crawford and AK?
I can’t get an answer on that.
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Yes to AK-47, No to Crawford
by SharkKings49 on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not on this team
And no he is not a ‘baller’, if he was, he would be more popular
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Not that I'm hating,
but I don’t like the fit. If we struck out on Thorton, then I would be ok with it and I think he would complement Tyreke with his shooting. That said, we have Thorton and do not need the older version of him in Crawford.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 13, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I'd take Thornton now over any age Crawford.
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by pookeyguru on Dec 13, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't think anyone really "hates" Crawford
Just speaking for myself, I don’t see the point of Crawford on this roster, especially in a multi-year deal.
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by otis29 on Dec 13, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
This
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'd like it "better"
But he’s such a liability on the defensive end, and this team has actually made strides in that area the last few seasons. With a natural progression from Reke and DMC, plus a whole year of Thornton I think the offense should improve as well.
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I don't like Crawford or the way he plays.
I also don’t see how he fits with the Kings roster which is the most important thing.
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Not hating
Facting.
Let’s take the top 60 3-point shot takers from last season. Of that group, Crawford ranked 40th – the bottom third.
Crawfords adjusted FG% last year was 49%. So was Marcus Thornton’s.
He averaged .28 assists for every shot taken. For comparison, our NaPG averaged .31 assists per every shot taken.
I don’t hate Crawford at all. I just don’t see the need.
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Yes, actually.
After reading this whole thread, I have come to the conclusion that Ninja King is actually Geoff Petrie. He is just messing with our minds. Damn that silky smooth hair.
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by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 13, 2011 4:48 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Of course it's a Hardwood Paroxsym writer who says that. LOL
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those fans are dont know english
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by LLcoolRay on Dec 13, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
No.
Even if we don’t get Andrei i’ll be quite upset if we sign Crawford. We simply don’t need his skills. I honestly think that there are very few (if any) players who would mess up our chemistry more than him. And again the only real free agent out there who would help us considerably is AK-47.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 4:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
By all accounts, Crawford's a decent teammate and good guy
But he’s a chucker who doesn’t play defense. He doesn’t offer much more from a skillset point of view.
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by otis29 on Dec 13, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Do you agree that that's the exact player...
we DON’T need on this team right now?
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Otis
I think you are underestimating PW’s ability to seamlessly integrate a players offensive strength’s into our cohesive offensive sets based on cuts, quick passes, and open jumpers. It would be perfect for another moderately talented shoot first guard that replicates well paid talent we already have on the roster.
OH YOU!
Joking aside, this is (duh) a big year for PW. With the short season, he needs to put a rotation together pretty quickly. Not sure I can handle musical lineups in game 45 this season.
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by otis29 on Dec 13, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that is why I am afraid of having so many players
who are not appreciably different from another. SInce he is not a mastermind of juggling line-ups, I wish we could give him an easier batch to work with.
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As @alanhahn points out, Portland is in Crawford’s backyard. Makes offseason home in Pacific NW. Would be great fit.
If Crawford still lives in Seattle in the off-season, than Portland is not in Crawford’s “backyard”.
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Of course I'm being literal about what Ken Berger said too.
Backyard in relative terms sure.
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I hope not.
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More like the neighbor that would rather not interact with you
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
His house faces Canada.
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And Crawford gets the same offer
But from POR? This might get signed.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
See now Portland actually needs him
With Brandon Roy gone they could really use a player like Jamal. We on the other hand do not.
IT MEANS....
If we sign JAMAL CRAWFORD
WE ARE STUPID
THIS WOULD BE PATHETIC
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 13, 2011 5:12 PM PST reply actions
What you...
Nah too easy
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Too Easy?
Are you kidding me? Do you as well agree that Jamal Crawford is a smart move. Man, what has happened to the quality posting here on Sac Town. I doubt anything you could write to me or towards me would be “too easy.” The fact that you got such a post “REC’D” speaks volumes to the current downfall of our fan posting. come on man.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 14, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Nope.
If you read his other posts, he doe agree with you. He’s being sarcastic to Ninja King – to whom the reply is pointed at.
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Thank you for clearing that up DTG13….I was starting to think Sac Town Royalty was turning into “SILVER SCREEN AND ROLL” (the lakers site, for those who have never braved it). I apologize to Raiderking21. My fault for not having followed the banter throughout the thread.
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Please, please, don’t sign Crawford.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 14, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Been to SSR couple of times to read some rumors and trades.
But I agree. The comments over there is beyond measure.
Speaking of which, you should visit GSOM. lol
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Also, did LeBron really say that about CONTRACTION? I remember his comments about contraction, but I never saw the quote where he didn’t know what contraction actually meant.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 14, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
RAIDERKING21
I apologize. Good stuff!
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 14, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
how is that pathetic?
Are you kidding me? Do you watch basketball? Follow the NBA? Follow the Sacramento Kings? Have you ever watched a Hawks game?
Signing Jamal Crawford would be the worst move for this roster. The absolute worst. We have no need for him. We already have 2 Guards that are shot 1st ask questions later. Then throw in our SF, who is shaped in the same mold. We don’t need another one of these players. Our needs are quite obvious.
You, Ninja King, please bounce the set out of here. If you truly think signing Jamal Crawford is a smart move I’ll make sure to close my eyes every time I scroll down a SAC TOWN ROYALTY post at the 1st hint that Ninja King has written anything.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 14, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
I appreciate the passion,
but let’s dial back the personal assault a little bit. It is your choice to pass on any conversation that involves any member, but it is the right of any member to participate, at least until such point that the site moderators determine otherwise.
Thanks!
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by section214 on Dec 14, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, this was the 1st time I've ever resorted to any kind of personal attack
I’ve been on A’s Nation for a while as well as Sac Town Royalty and I’ve never resorted to such measures. It is tacky and sad on my part. 1st and last time. Won’t happen again.
my bad guys. won’t happen again. already been a long day at work. no excuse though.
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by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 14, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
When I first read Marc Stein's report
that the Kings were “bidding” on Crawford I thought he was embellishing a bit. I knew the Kings with their cap space would be contacting just about every decent free agent and I didn’t doubt the Kings would call to kick the tires on Crawford. But know that we know an offer was made I am as confused as most. Coach Westphal did say they were looking to add veterans and Crawford fits the bill. He’s 10 years in and he’s a proven scorer if not much else.
The pursuit of AK-47 and Crawford are encouraging signs that the Maloofs have given Geoff the green light to go out and Improve the team now. IF by some chance we add them both the 8th seed becomes realistic topic IMO.
Part of me worries the Maloofs gave Petrie the green light because Stern ordered them to
If they dirt-cheaped the season then tried to relocate, he might not be as willing to give them the go-ahead to move the team.
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I usually think we have a chance for the 8th seed
until we are officially knocked out
by SharkKings49 on Dec 13, 2011 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
Amicks latest twitter
Kings want more vets and are trying to stockpile scorers, but make no mistake: landing Jamal Crawford would have an effect on Jimmer time.
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by sac_faithful on Dec 13, 2011 5:49 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Probably drop him to 30 minutes a game
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Since the other team would call forfeit after guarding Jimmer for 30 minutes, it makes no difference.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Our D will be FINE
they’re gonna run more full court D. Our bigs are all legit defenders as well. Nothing to worry about. Good luck to other teams trying to stop us too. They’re gonna HATE playing us.
Demarcus, Whiteside, JT, and JJ are not exactly what I would call legit defenders
I wouldn’t call anyone besides Salmons, Hayes, and sometimes Tyreke a legit defender on this team
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:11 PM PST up reply actions
Signing him would mean
No Jimmer time.
The nicest Lakers fan ever, Here we Stay! Er, I mean here you stay... I mean here Kings stay in Sacramento.
Essentially.
Sit Brandon Belt to play Huff mentality, but worse even.
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Amick Again
"@sam_amick: Surprisingly, source says Kings offer similar to Portland (approx $5 mil). They’re only team of 3 that can go higher; unclear if they will."
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No way.
No way this is true. This must be some kind of joke.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 6:09 PM PST up reply actions
They gotta spend money...
…and the Maloofs don’t wanna be seen as “cheap”. Silly way to spend money though. That’s just as bad as not spending money.
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It sure is
Hopefully Jamal realizes Portland and New York are much better fits for him
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
IMHO, they are the same caliber players
Both are not as good as advertised, but still decent enough players to help certain teams. AK fits here, Jamal doesn’t.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
A couple years ago Crawford would be a valuable asset for us but not anymore. We just don’t need him. I’m all for signing upgrades at positions that are already filled but Crawford isn’t that.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
If it's a 1 year deal than why not?
I don’t really see the point but whatever. I just hope it doesn’t get in the way of signing AK47
by Allbenji on Dec 13, 2011 6:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If Crawford chooses the Kings...
Is it Ok for him to accept the role he is on the Hawks? I mean 6th man, and that’ll be ok with me i guess
Starters - Tyreke, Marcus, Salmons, Hayes, DMC
2nd unit – Jimmer, Crawford, Garcia/Donte, Hickson, JT
3rd string – The rest
Otis!
You are quoting Michael Scott! You are officially my favorite StR poster.
by MichaelMack on Dec 13, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
cowboyron's a legend now
I think he’s really iashwash’s alter-ego when the mushrooms kick in. :)
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by otis29 on Dec 14, 2011 5:09 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
mushroom's would explain a lot. I mean A LOT.
by MichaelMack on Dec 14, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
Shrooms........
…mmmmmm.
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Crawford is the instant-offense type of player.
He can drop a lot of points in bursts. Can change momentum of the game. I didn’t like Crawford before arriving in Atlanta. The things he did in Atlanta, helping a playoff team, open my eyes that he can contribute positively.
I would be ok with Crawford but I don’t think he is really needed. Somewhat superfluous. Unless we really need a veteran guard. Which is up in the air right now..
Rebuilding the Kings.
but how much of that is off-the-ball scoring?
Because that is what we need. There is only one ball out there on offense after all, and we already have enough players that need to create their own shot to be effective on offense.
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by Wonderchild on Dec 14, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly this.
We need cutters and players who can rotate with or without the ball, someone who can punch a Laker in the face. A Doug Christie type.
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NO!
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by lietothegirls on Dec 13, 2011 6:25 PM PST via mobile reply actions
YES!!
Stop hating. We need him on the Kings. We have no veteran guard with playoff experience. Crawford has everything we need.
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by HeuristicLineup on Dec 13, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
Only if someone helped him with the phone
:)
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 6:32 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
So you want another high volume shooter on this team who doesn’t play good defense just because he has playoff experience?
Let's get Matt Bonner while we're at it
He has playoff experience right?
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok I'm sorry, but out of all your posts I believe this one is the most absurd
He has never shown the ability to guard anyone straight up or even stay in front of anybody, he reminds me of Beno and K-Mart
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
Whoa whoa whoa
Don’t say that sort of thing about Beno and K-mart
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I meant on defense
But yes I feel bad now for comparing them. It doesn’t do Beno or K-Mart justice
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Jimmer is more of a defensive liability than Crawford
It’s funny how everyone wants to diss Crawfords D, yet they won’t say anything about Jimmers. I love Jimmer. But if you’re gonna criticize one person, then give equal treatment to everyone.
Neither one of them have played a lick of D in the NBA
The difference is that Crawford has actually been in the league for years.
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Read my post above where I rank everyone's defense and you'll see I ranked him as a poor defender
I’m not making excuses and IMHO I think they are equal liabilities on D
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
I thought AK47 doesnt want to play for the Kings , He only sees $ signs
But Crawford if he signs, it means he wants to play for this team not only for the $.
Apparently he's "intrigued" by us.
So I don’t think he’d be against playing for us but the money’s clearly an important factor
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Should I not?
I’m not familar with her work.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
You don't think Crawford's waiting to see if any of the teams pursuing him sweetens the deal?
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Jamal Crawford
Never mind those rumors, the Kings are not spending anymore money.
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HOLY BALLS
Nene is getting that kind of money!? I know big men are hard to come by but I feel like that is WAY more than he deserves
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Eating my words right now
Just looked up his statistics and his numbers for last year are actually pretty damn incredible. My bad.
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13.4 million per year?
I think he’s worth it – and I think he’s a better player than either Gasol or Chandler.
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Hence
the whole eating my words thing. For some reason I didn’t realize his numbers were so insanely good last year.
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Sorry, clicked before I saw your post
I’ve always liked Nene, but also didn’t realize just how good he’s been the last few years (and in particular last season).
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by Exhibit G on Dec 13, 2011 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Every day that goes by...
without the announcement of “Kings sign Andrei Kirilenko” is a disappointing day. I personally think it’d be the best unrestricted free agent signing since Vlade. I just want all these other rumors to be put to rest already. There’s really only one free agent out there we need and that’s AK-47. Crawford isn’t even worth the discussion.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 7:20 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Absurd
Not worth discussion?? Gtf outta here. When’’s the last time AK did anything noteworthy besides get smashed on by Baron Davis?!! Meanwhile, Jamal won 6th man 2 years ago and is one of the most saught after free agents. Kirilinko isn’t needed on the team at all. Crawford is
Crawford is NEEDED?!
He is the last thing we need. Crawfor won 6th man a total of ONE year. AK got ONE All-Star Birth. All-Star>6th Man. They both have their accolades. The difference is AK actually fits on this team because he is a defender, a rebounder, and Key Word>>>Low-Usage on a weak position. Crawford is a poor defender, high-usage player on a position where we are set.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously I meant Crawford* up there
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:21 PM PST up reply actions
Um
Crawford is one of the most sought after free agents? Is that why he is weighing his one year contract offers while Caron Butler, JJ Barea, and Chuck Hayes are 20 Million dollars richer?
by MichaelMack on Dec 13, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I can't wait till Crawford signs with someone else
So Ninja will shut the hell up already. I have no problem with your obsessive infatuation with him and you’re definitely entitled to your opinion. I think i’m with everyone though that we’re done talking about how Crawford will be a horrible and ill-advised signing. But hey keep at it why don’t ya.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure if he has any inside info but...
alanhahn Alan Hahn
The guess here is Crawford will ultimately choose Portland. Higher salary, close to his Seattle home (and family). But heart is in NYC.
Sense I get is @JCrossover wants to choose #Knicks but concerned about taking such a low salary ($2.5M) and despite $ POR/SAC don’t compare.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
"The guess here" & "Sense I get"
Yea, this sounds like a complete hater. Stop listening to what these “Insiders” say. They don’t know anymore than you or I. Nothing he said in anyway came from Jamal or his agent. He’s guessing. And I’m sure he knows nothing about the Kings, just like most national analysts. Us fans in Sac know more about the Kings than they do.
Well some of us do
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
When I saw this article
I knew that Ninja would need to change his pants.
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Ninja do you have a twitter?
I have to tell Jamal that he has the world’s biggest fan right here
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by LLcoolRay on Dec 13, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
LOL
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
You know I didn't think it would actually be kinda fun arguing with someone so stubborn
But here I continue to argue in vain, and I’m not tired of it one bit. Should I be concerned?
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No!
I have finals and an essay due tomorrow but instead of working on it I am monitoring this because just about every single thing he says makes me die laughing at picturing a ninja getting off from wearing a Jamal Crawford jersey
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LOL ok that was just wrong
And I have a final tomorrow too, but I cant’ go away
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
My fear
is that what he is wearing of Jamal Crawford’s ain’t a jersey.
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ugh, I just pictured
A ‘Silence of the Lambs’-style Jamal Crawford skin dress on Ninja. It puts the lotion in the basket. Thanks, Section.
By the way, when was Crawford last sighted?
by defender96 on Dec 13, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ninja
I think I’m the only one that agrees with you about it being good to get Crawford. But I think your rubbing people the wrong way with some of your comments. This is just a friendly heads up. That’s all. I’m referring to the “that’s crazy” comment type stuff.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I actually really like his enthusiasm for the Kings
And it’s quite possible that Crawford would sign here and many of us would eat our words.
I just don’t understand how anyone can be so certain about a journeyman player – and make it sound like he’s the superstar we’ve been missing this whole time.
There’s not an ounce of self doubt in any of his opinions about anything. I can’t speak for anyone else, but that’s definitely what’s rubbing me the wrong way. Maybe it would go over better if he had been here a long time, I dunno. But he seems to be implying that a lot of (who I think are pretty bright) basketball people at this site are dumb.
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by otis29 on Dec 13, 2011 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
I'm sure that you made some good points here,
but you used too many words and I got lost.
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I can't oversell Jamal.
He is what he is, and that’s not a superstar or an allstar. I just think he would help the young guards because his style of play is similar to theirs. Plus he has a playoff experience.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I dont think anyone is dumb
but people are coming off as haters IMO. It’s as if people think he’s trash and would make the Kings weak. The arguments I read people make against Crawford, I’m not hearing them say the same thing about Jimmer. Defense for example. Crawford is a 12 year vet who has proven himself. The main reason Crawford is great for us is because it makes us so deep in the guard area. The rotations & lineup possibilities are fun just thinking about them. In regards to Jimmer, I love Jimmer and I love that he’s a King, despite the fact we passed on Kemba for him. And I think Jimmer could end up being a superstar as well. Trust me, I think the world of Jimmer. He very well could end up proving he was the best pick for us. I’m thankful he’s on the team. Don’t ever wanna see him leave to be honest. Can’t wait to see this team regardless of if Jamal is on it or not. BUT, I just don’t undertand the negative attitude toward Crawford. Even when we state stats in his favor, people still wanna hate. I just don’t understand how anyone wouldn’t want him on their team. Not just Kings fans. Hoop fans in general. But, in no way am I trying to disrespect anyone. Yea I got a little annoyed with a few things I read, but I’m just on here trying to conversate with fellow Kings fans. And yea, I think since I’m a new guy on here, people are a little resistant. Especially since I speak with certainty. But then again, it seems everyone else does too. Anyway, no disrespect to anyone. It’s all love and I’m thankful there is a website like this for us to talk Kings basketball. Appreciate the feedback as well
Agree
I think the addition of Crawford would really help with the horrible schedule that is coming up. We’re already pretty deep. Crawford would just be a welcome addition.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I don't think anyone is really hating
Maybe the way you post at times is making other post in a ‘hater-ish’ way. There are stats that favor him for sure, but there are so many players we could say the same thing about. The reason we disagree is because we don’t feel he is the right player on this team. Every player has a fit and there is not one player that fits on every team. There are sometimes more to skills and stats that prove whether a playr fits or not. In this case, there are circumstances that make Crawford a ‘bad’ fit. You think otherwise and that’s fine, but you act as though you think you know more than alot of people here, and that may be what’s rubbing them the wrong way.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly in this free agent class, I'd prefer us to not sign any of the guards available
There’s no one out there (including Jamal) that jumps out and says he will be a great pickup no matter what
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed
We really just don’t need any guards right now. It’s nothing against Crawford. Even though he’s the type of guard we REALLY don’t need
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
how bout insurance guy?
if any in the backcourt will get injuries (i’m not praying there would be, and i hate the sound of it really) , so who’s gonna replace them. I’m not saying Crawford is the answer, i think only GP and Pw knows that answer.
You're probably right
Or else they wouldn’t be interested, but I also think they would disagree with you in how much you value this guy. I think if we offered him 4 years at the max you would be the happiest guy on Earth. I think they just see him as another role player, another vet, not a gamechanger.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 14, 2011 12:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I feel u bro
Some of these cats on here jus don’t understand basketball … Jus gotta seperate the good with the bad. Jamal is a fucking beast .. Enough said.. & who are the kings thinking we can just pass on a player jamal, as if people are just lining up to come to Sacramento?
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 14, 2011 1:17 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thank goodness you guys are here to educate us
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by otis29 on Dec 14, 2011 5:12 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Again, we can all like who we like
but declaring someone with a career 41% shooting percentage as beast, as well as someone who chucks on average 5 three pointers a game despite a very mediocre shooting percentage, well, if that is a beast to those people, then there is not a lot to discuss with them
by MichaelMack on Dec 14, 2011 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Not sure that matters
Petrie and Reynolds aren’t exactly setting the world on fire the last half decade.
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Here Ya Go
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Jamal Crawford reached out to Isaiah Thomas for advice. True story. That would be Isaiah Thomas of the Kings and not Isiah Lord Thomas
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
Miami's love for their team is like fucking some dudes wife. You knew its wrong but.. it just feels nice
by Mr. Know it all on Dec 13, 2011 8:47 PM PST reply actions
Wow
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
HA. I changed my mind for a second.
When I saw it was Isaiah Thomas I imediately thought of Piston’s fame. I’m still ok with it now that I know it was the Kings’ guard.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I would bet
that by “advice,” Jamal was really asking how good the team looks. If they really are legit. And you know Thomas is telling him “YES!! Come to Sac!!”
Any idesa how Jamal and Thomas know eachother?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Uh-oh, you know who else is from there?
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Someone give Jamal, Spencer's number or twitter
Maybe he could convince not to come here, or at least to give PW a chest bump
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
If only we could get Hawes back...
Championship!!
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The Kings should sign him
He has playoff experience
by Josh L on Dec 13, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Spencer already resigned in Philly.
by Lotusprime on Dec 14, 2011 7:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Crawford and Thomas are really good friends
All those Seattle guys stick together. Crawford, Thomas, Terry, Nate Rob, Spence, Brock, B-Roy.
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Who would you rather obtain?
Jamal or AK
I know i don't know it all... its just what my parents call me
Miami's love for their team is like fucking some dudes wife. You knew its wrong but.. it just feels nice
by Mr. Know it all on Dec 13, 2011 8:52 PM PST reply actions
AK
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
YES!
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:54 PM PST up reply actions
Hilton Armstrong?
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
You know it all, right?
Which one will we get, if anyone at all?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Jamal And AK , as long as its not KB
can you imagine if we could get 2?This comment thread will end lol
Jamal
Ak has a hard time keeping his motor running… Ak has a hard time staying focus..
Ak Is playing in Russia right now.
Ak said he wants TO ONLY play for 3or4 years. That is not something u wanna hear even if it is true, when he said that it killed it for me right there… Sign Crawford … Even tho Ak is the better defender I will admit that .. I jus ultimately think he will lure Josh smoove here.. I’ll take Craford on pump #1 please
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 14, 2011 1:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think what he said was more along the lines of,
He feels he can only compete at the NBA level for 3 or 4 more years. I dont look at that as something negative, but more positive. He knows his body and his limitations and I think he’s right.
by Crocoduck on Dec 14, 2011 7:59 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I'd rather him be honest and say he only wants to play a few years
than force a team to give him a five year deal and then mentally check out for two years just to collect a check
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 14, 2011 8:42 AM PST up reply actions
im starting to think
Maybe the organization doesn’t have a lot of faith in Jimmer at this point, and us fans think he is a future HOFer. I can get on the bandwagon for Crawford, if the organization doesn’t have much faith in Jimmer I’m on board with this
by Chent on Dec 13, 2011 8:59 PM PST via mobile reply actions
After three practices?
Man, he must suck.
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I think
they’re looking at Jamal as the experienced veteran guard they want to add. I don’t think it has anything to do with Jimmer. Jimmer will play plenty. They love & believe in Jimmer. It’s simply about making this team as strong as they can. IMO
Who the hell thinks he's a future Hall of Famer?
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
These guys
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by section214 on Dec 13, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Jimmer, party of 3
is a GREAT sign…if only because I picture a dimly-lit Applebee’s in Provo when I say it in my head.
I miss Big Mike and his Arco Thunder monologue.
by RJinFairOaks on Dec 13, 2011 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Jimmer
I like the kid, but I’d have to say he’s a longshot for the Hall of Fame. Let him become a starter first.
"His D was a difference at the end."
by NewEraKings on Dec 13, 2011 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
WE NEED CRAWFORD YALL
Man yall we need JC on this team. The Kings goal is to start competing now and we can’t do that without veteran leadership. Imagine the starting five as it is with Evans, Thornton, Salmons, Hayes & Cousins then you got Fredette, Crawford, Greene, Hickson, Thompson or Whiteside coming off the bench. That would be sick and if we play well we might attract a superstar like JOSH SMITH (who played with Crawford in Atlanta) to play here!
Don’t let me get started with a front court of Smith, Hayes & Cousins. That would just be nasty…… any disagreements?
Disagree with Crawford
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by raiderking21 on Dec 13, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
A DMC, Hayes, and Smith front court would be damn nice.
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rec'd
for a non-Jamal post
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by Wonderchild on Dec 14, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
According to hoopsworld reporter Alex Kennedy
Kings, Blazers, and Knicks are all offering one year deal to Crawford. One year, I might bite. I would still much rather have AK though.
by coachtheus on Dec 13, 2011 9:50 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I don't want him either way,
but I could certainly live with a 1 year deal. I’d be pissed if we signed him for 3 years.
I agree 100% with this
I still don’t like the fit, but for one year, I can understand adding a veteran like Crawford. He’s better than most FAs out there, even if I’d prefer to have one at a position we need more help at.
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 14, 2011 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
Having Jamal wouldn't hurt & Guess what???
Having JC would give us an immediate playoff birth and guess who might join the party before or at the trade deadline?
You might want to clarify
Assume you mean Josh Smith, but with the way this thread as been going, you could be referring to Joe or Jabari and I’d no longer be surprised. After all, they have playoff experience.
Wait...
Do the kings or the bucks have to play in Atlanta this year?
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 13, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Talent is talent.
I’m gonna dream big and hope that we sign Crawford and AK. We will have a lot of assets and GP will have a lot of options if they are looking to make any major trades before the deadline.
According to Sam Amick
Kings offered one year 6.5 million deal for Jamal Crawford. Portland offered 5 million. And new York offered 2.5 million
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 13, 2011 10:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Where's the report?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Looks like we're in the lead for JC
Man I hope he agrees to the terms cuz we’ll be a lock for the playoffs is he does!!!
I really don't understand
the whole, “if we sign Jamal (or AK) we are an automatic playoff lock!”
I have to disagree with that, I REALLY want us to get AK but saying that either of those players are that big of a piece that we go from being 2nd to last in the West to being playoff bound is beyond me. Believe me I am being positive about this year and I think our young squad has enough time together that we can be a good team but saying ANY team is a lock for the playoffs before seeing them play is hard for me to do.
Also biggest problem I have with offering Crawford 6.5 is I think he will take it and then even if AK does want to come this way we won’t have, or won’t be willing to offer, the kind of money that he wants
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Agreed.
I really hope signing JC doesn’t hinder our chances at signing AK.
We would definitely be playoff contenders though.
I ran the numbers in my last post
And Geoff Petrie confirmed my estimates as accurate, saying the Kings are a million and change below the salary floor. I estimated the Kings to be $1.35 million below.
The Kings are at $45 million dollars after signing Hayes and MT23.
$46 million is the 80% floor. The cap is $58 million.
If Crawford accepts and their payroll goes to $51.5 million. That puts them $6.5 million below the cap. So they’d still have room to sign AK47 but any offer over $6.5 to AK47 puts them over the cap. (but below the tax threshold)
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Do we know the details on Marcus' deal?
How it’s structured annually?
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I think the Kings still have about 14$ million in cap-space
Assuming the offered AK 8$ million and Crawford 6$ they could sign them both and barely be over the cap.
by deadenddude on Dec 13, 2011 10:58 PM PST up reply actions
Right
About $13 to $14 million to spend.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
What's not to like?
Crawford is a great scorer who doesn’t need to start, would gives us three good guards with experience without putting too much pressure on Jimmer.
More importantly, he will make everyone earn their minutes instead of having them gifted to them, a major reason we have the second worst record in the NBA in recent years. Aren’t we ready to turn the page on that crap?
Seriously, let’s bring in players who will improve our team without worrying about the fragile egos of the youngsters.
"His D was a difference at the end."
Hear hear!
“Seriously, let’s bring in players who will improve our team without worrying about the fragile egos of the youngsters.”
what he said!
by bananahammock on Dec 13, 2011 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
THANK YOU!!!!
Honestly, if the Kings get Crawford, can any other team say they have had as good an offseason as us(including the draft)??
Yea that'd be super legit too
I prefer JCrossover tho. I’ve been a big fan since he was at Michigan & I think he’s a better baller, especially for this team. 6th man of the year 2 years ago. Kirilinko costs a lot oo. JCrawford is a super steal for the kind of money he’s gonna accept right now. Everyone is saying he’s the same as Thornton, who I love as well. But, Crawford who has a 6th man trophy, playoff appearances, proven to be clutch & consistent, has never had an ego issue, coulda been the main guy on many teams, yet accepts a lesser role for the benefit of the team, and has played 12 seasons, and isn’t out here demanding big money like everyone else. Peeps gotta recognize the baller & person JCraw is. Dude has super good character. Would be Great influence on our young guys here.
But yea, I wouldn't be mad at AK47
Don’t forget about the Hickson addition as well. That was a steal
But he shoots only 41% from the field. And that is his best attribute. While I appreciate your fervor, I just don't see where you get that anyone has to accept what a baller he is
if he was so valuable, he wouldn’t have to be wading through mediocre contract offers. Kwame Brown got a one year 7mill, Caron Butler got 3 year 24 mill, and I doubt anyone on this site would every use the term baller to describe them.
by MichaelMack on Dec 14, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Phil: Shortened Season Could Lead To Unlikely Champion (He mean the SAcramento Kings?)
Former Lakers coach Phil Jackson famously branded the Spurs’ first title team in 1999 as an "asterisk" team because they won the championship after playing in a shortened 50-game schedule after the lockout.
“With a shortened season you get all kinds of crazy things,” Jackson said while taking a break from a commercial shoot at the Walter Pyramid on the campus of Long Beach State on Tuesday.
Jackson mentioned the Jazz and Pacers as teams that had a chance to win the 1999 title, but failed perhaps because of the heavy schedule.
“With the asterisk season back in ‘98, San Antonio and New York certainly weren’t on the listed teams that would be in the Finals. You had all these teams, Utah and Indiana, that were all prepped to be there and these shortened seasons make a big difference to players.”
Beautiful NewEraKings
I’m right along with you and bananahammock! We’ve got to get past this rebuilding stuff and get straight into competing for a championship. I’m tired of the developmental stuff and all that. We need to bring in players that are capable of getting us back to the playoffs where we belong and eventually a championship to give all the loyal fans some bragging rights!
I’ve read so many people complaining that bringing in AK or JC is a bad move because it will cut into some other players time, and therefore make them disgruntled players. That’s definetly the type of attitude that leads to a losing team year after year
by bananahammock on Dec 13, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
I heard Grant Napear agrees with you all as well
So you got that going for you, which is nice!
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Nice point KINGKENJI
I’m sure hoping that we can do something special this year! It’s all team chemistry and bringing in players that want to win a CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
Thanks!
Just like what i pointed out about the western conference is very wide open:
(If the Kings pan out the way we envision it to be, then it will be an exciting playoffs)
1. Phoenix Suns – its not the same Suns a few years back with Nash, Amare & company.
2. Portland Trailblazers – no Roy and no Oden, LaMarcus out for 2 weeks (heart problem?)
3. Golden State Warriors – need adjustment, new coach, Curry vs. Ellis
4. Minnesota Timberwolves – Kahn alone supports my argument, but they also needs adjustment, coach Adelman i know will make this team better but not this season.
5.Houston Rockets – also will adjust to new system, new coach
6.Denver Nuggets – not enough player to compete?
7.Utah Jazz – No more Jerry Sloan
8. New Orleans Hornets – No CP3 = no playoffs?
What do you think?
And Yes I am talking about PLAYOFF's here
Im really tired of the rebuilding phase and i think this is the time (the shortened, COMPRESSED schedule that the Kings are at an ADVANTAGE because of younger legs and the burning desire to win. I know they are tired of losing, just like me when i watch them the last couple of years.
Where I agree
Agree on Suns, Warriors(they dont have enough, but I love their coach), Rockets, Nuggets, Hornets. But when I look at the Wolves, I see them as a team on the rise just based off their roster and the addition of Adelman. I think he’s the right coach for that team. Not a playoff team yet but they’re not far away. Just need another year probably. Nobody should take them lightly tho. They are full of talent. Kahn might have looked foolish at one point, but that team is respectable now based on who they have playing & coaching. Jazz are gonna be a good team too. Not sure how far they’ll go but I think the playoffs are a possibility and I like Tyrone Corbin for now as coach. He’s a Sloan guy, and that team has legit players. As far as the Blazers go, ya never know. Despite the injury issues, they still have a quality team and coach. I still consider them a playoff team, but they’re not a lock as of now. Regardless of any of these teams, I consider the Kings a playoff team now. If they don’t make it, I think it’s somewhat of a bust season, especially with the talent on the team and considering what this season means to Sacramento in general.
As of right now, I see West playoff picture like this
(in no particular order): Mavs, Grizz, Thunder, Spurs, Clippers, Kings, Lakers, Blazers. Jazz right there too. Does that sound absurd??
Not absurd at all
But I think the Kings are the worst team in that group, and Denver & a few other teams will be right there, too.
HEY YALL CHECK THIS OUT
I was just on ESPN’s Trade Machine and atlanta still has a trade exception on Jamal Crawford so here’s what I proposed
WE GET:
Jamal Crawford (Sign & Trade)
Josh Smith
ATLANTA GETS:
John Salmons
Tyler Honeycutt
Jason Thompson
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK, IS IT FAIR OR WE GIVING UP TO MUCH….
The Hawks didn't even want to give up Jeff Teague for JT
So why would they give up Josh Smith for JT and Salmons’ bad contract?
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by Josh L on Dec 13, 2011 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If they did it
It’d be because Smith wants out and JT is a quality big in this league on any team. Salmons would be a nice addition as well. Not sure we’d even have to give up Honeycutt. I’d rather keep him. I want Josh Smith on the Kings very badly. Not sure I’d wanna trade JT for him, I’d rather JT be a King for the long haul, and I’m one of few Kings fans who actually like Salmons it seems, but Josh Smith obviously does things neither JT nor Salmons can do because of his size, strength, & athleticism. If you put JT & Salmons on Atl, they’d look something like this: Johnson, Horford, Williams, Salmons, McGrady, Teague, Heinrich, Thompson, Pachulia, & a few other guys. That really is a pretty good group of guys that would be a playoff team. The trade C-Rich proposed might be enticing to them. No way to know for sure what the Kings lineup would be, but I think it might be something like this:
Evans, Fredette, Thomas
Thornton, Crawford, Garcia
Smith, Greene, Honeycutt
Cousins, Hickson
Hayes, Whiteside
What do you think about that??
Everyone knows I want Crawford on this squad. But let me make it clear that I don’t think ANY trades are necessary. The team we have is already nice. This is merely just an idea of how a Josh Smith addition would look. Looks pretty dran good to me tho.
Like I said in the recent fanshot
I don’t see the fit.
He’s a scoring guard, a veteran, but doesn’t strike me as a leader.
AK makes more sense for what he’ll bring to the table, specifically giving us some kind of shot blocking presence.
I guess I just see signing Crawford as a redundant waste of resources.
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@jwquick Please tell Jamal his $6.5 million payday from Maloofs is contingent upon Joe or Gavin hitting Keno jackpot at Tropicana.
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by bench_blob on Dec 13, 2011 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Keep fighting the good fight
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by Josh L on Dec 13, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Your right KingKenji
I think this is our year man! we just gon have to play hard and find some chemistry within our offense and defense!
Uh-oh we are screwed
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An important factor in the @JCrossover free agent sweepstakes: He says he is a “big fan” of Kings coach Paul Westphal and his style of play
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I'd rather not be 4 deep
in high usage, inefficient, shoot first guards.
Especially when someone like AK provides a relatively similar playoff background an veteran leadership while helping to fill the shot blocking void and fitting better on the roster as is.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 13, 2011 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
Generally Speaking
It works much better when the pieces you are adding actually fit.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 13, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
What makes you think that it will?
Look, you’re obviously a fan of this idea. That’s fine.
But if we were trying to project what the team would look like as is with the addition of Crawford, I just see a three guard lineup of Thorton, Crawford, and Reke all wanting the ball and all looking to score as they are all scorers that don’t compliment each other as a unit. Add Cousins and Hickson to that same group of guys and you may have the most inefficient offensive lineup in the game. Not saying they’d be out there 48 minutes a night, but playing those guys in a three guard rotation scares me for all the wrong reasons.
Sure, we’d be deeper at guard, but even if we were looking to do that, I would much rather we seek out a true point guard playmaker in either free agency or trade, or another good to great perimeter defender.
or AK47 to fill a shot blocking need, be another good defender and grab rebounds.
Jamal Crawford does not fit any of that criteria for me. That’s just me.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 14, 2011 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
All this talk of Crawford's positives
Not one mention of defense. Interesting, that.
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I thought I saw him play defense once
a few years ago. I can’t be certain, but I might have.
by MichaelMack on Dec 14, 2011 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
You're thinking about Joey Crawford
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by section214 on Dec 14, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Damn. Yeah that might do it.
And no KING-whatever, that’s not necessarily good. Adding an incredibly high-usage player to a team with a copius amount of high-usage players can easily disrupt our offensive flow and overall team chemistry. We’re just fine without him but I wouldn’t be surprised if we sign him tomorrow. You’re just one of the irrational 5% of guys here who would actually be pleased to have him here.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
He's implying that Crawford's not very bright
Or he’s a genius, if he figured out Westphal’s “style of play”.
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1-4 FLAT!!!
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That's just great
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I am very surprised
that he has picked up on PW’s style of play. I have watched every game for two years, and can see no discernible style. Maybe JC is some basketball jedi that will be the secret to unlocking our potential.
Maybe.
by MichaelMack on Dec 13, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Or Maybe
The 1-4 Flat appeals to him…
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 14, 2011 12:01 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Do not see why the Kings should spend for Crawford
Right now we need a better starter or a better backup at small forward and a back up point guard. We could use a truly outstanding center or power forward, but then we would have to trade somebody. Obtaining Crawford as a shooting guard leaves us with both of those needs. Thornton can profitably play 32 minutes a game. I do not understand seeking Crawford. Would that be followed by a trade of Thornton? Could the Kings be thinking of Crawford or Thornton playing 16 minutes at small forward?
Carlji
Yes, they could trade Thorton.
Don’t see why they would though
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 13, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't understand any of this.
Thornton is essentially the same type of player as Crawford. I mean am i wrong? Are not the same damn player? Thornton is just younger is all. I genuinely hope that Crawford chooses New York or Portland. I really couldn’t care less where he goes as long as it’s not here.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 13, 2011 11:50 PM PST reply actions
Agreed completely
Why do we need another player who is just like Thornton? We’re already a pretty stacked team, we need to find pieces that eliminate our weaknesses rather than just stacking our current strengths.
Well, whether they sign Jamal Crawford or AK47 or both or nobody
All I care about is winning and the Kings staying in SACRAMENTO, although i’m not from Sacramento, I saw what they have gone through and I wish they will no longer experienced that! Let’s Go Sacramento Kings!!!
I feel the exact same way
But the thing is we don’t really NEED anyone else, Westphal said it himself. AK-47 would help out alot however, but Jamal Crawford would not. There will be improvement this year and there will be more W’s but this a needless signing. I think we pretty much have all the pieces now and we can add more if we must but we’re one of the up and comers that’s for sure. But again I’ll probably barf all my organs out if we sign Crawford.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 14, 2011 12:05 AM PST up reply actions
Check out what the jokers over at Blazer's Edge think about our quest for Crawford
Blockquoted paragraph Chris Broussard of ESPN.com reports that Crawford is down to Portland, New York and the Sacramento Kings. New York can only offer a room exception deal worth $2.5 million per year for up to two years. Sacramento is under the cap so they can make a larger financial offer but the Kings currently have 178 shooting guards — none of whom has completed a pass during his NBA career — on the roster.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 14, 2011 12:01 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I have always thought Blazer jerseys were really sick
and apparently I like their fan base as well. That actually had me lolling pretty bad and it’s so true.
This is why I think going after ANOTHER shooting guard makes very little sense. We either need to pull a veteran point out of nowhere out of our ass or sign AK. OR IF WE WANT A LOCK FOR THE PLAYOFFS BOTH DURRDURRDURR. But seriously, no need for Jamal. Sorry ninja
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I don’t know how much more painfully obvious it can be made. Jamal is good, I’m not doubting that, but do we need every single person on the team to be a shoot first scorer? NO! That is actually the exact opposite of what we need.
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Crawford allowed 36% field goal shooting while on defense in the playoffs last year
He’s much more than a “Shooter first.” When he shoots, everybody is scared. Why?? Cuz he’s consistently deadly. Fast, quick, great ball-handling, nastiest crossover in the game. Will make us way better than we already are, and we’re looking like a damn good team already bruh
You got a source for that?
Because you’ve mentioned how “clutch” he is, and I’ve shown that to be false. I’m sure this time you have a link?
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Because Brandon Roy & "pass-first" Andre Miller worked out so well
I don’t think we need a pass-first PG. I just don’t think we necessarily need another high priced scorer when we have MT
by Allbenji on Dec 14, 2011 7:28 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
J-Craw
Crawdad
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 14, 2011 6:05 AM PST reply actions
NYPost_Berman
“Jamal Crawford told Oregonian late last night his mother wants him to sign with Portland. Uh oh.”
by Da-King on Dec 14, 2011 7:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions
My mother wants him to sign with Portland
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 14, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
We should all get our moms to sign a petition.
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by DTG13 on Dec 14, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
NYPost_Berman
“Jamal Crawford told Oregonian late last night his mother wants him to sign with Portland. Uh oh.”
by Da-King on Dec 14, 2011 7:39 AM PST via mobile reply actions
My dad wants his mother
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 14, 2011 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So does Delonte West.
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by DTG13 on Dec 14, 2011 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
stp it with delonte
older women need love too.
seriously are we still talking about this?
the merits and flaws of Aaron Jamal Crawford? Seriously, he’s an OK player, he’s not the second coming of Michael Jordan, heck he’s not even the second coming of Jalen Rose.
Second coming of Jordan?
Already have him.
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by DTG13 on Dec 14, 2011 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When did John Goodman sign with the Kings?
"His D was a difference at the end."
by NewEraKings on Dec 14, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions
In other news
Rodney Stuckey wants more than 45 million over five years. In other, other news Rodney Stuckey is out of his mind.
by Lotusprime on Dec 14, 2011 9:08 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Rodney Stuckey should ask for 5 years 90 million.
Maybe he can pull a Jedi Mind Trick and convince Joe Dumars he’s Derrick Rose.
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There's a higher success rate
when he uses it on Kahn.
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Don't know how I would feel about this
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by Da-King on Dec 14, 2011 10:27 AM PST via mobile reply actions
do not like this
Cisco is one of the only consistent off-the-ball shooters we have (when healthy obviously)
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by Wonderchild on Dec 14, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I swear
if we choose crawford over Cisco I will be extremely pissed. I love Cisco :’(
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It makes sense though
They should amnesty Salmons, but they aren’t going to do that so soon after taking him on.
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if we sign Crawford for 6.5million and waive
Cisco for 5.5 million. that gets us right to the salary floor. Well Played Malinda’s, Well Played.
But they still have to pay Garcia
At least they have to pay him the difference of his contract vs. what someone else may bid him for. And they waste their amnesty bullet on a rather small savings. I don’t see it.
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Only way I see it
Is if you bring Crawford, and then bring in Kirilenko right after. Otherwise I don’t see using the amnesty just for adding Crawford when all adding Crawford will do is bring us to about 90% of the cap.
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I could see that
but I still think it’d be wasteful.
the cap is 58 mil right?
the kings need to spend 46.5 mil to reach the floor and we’re currently around 45 million right? Bring in Crawford for 6.5 and AK for 7, that takes us to 58 million right? The only thing I can think is that if you bring in AK and Craw then there are no minutes for Cisco so GP may amnesty him simply so he can find a situation where he can play.
He still tradeable for a future 2
don’t see why you would pay him to go away
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I could see that, too
Though it would be tempting to pull the trigger on Salmons’ longer, bigger contract if you had both Kirilenko and Crawford signed.
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I would do Salmons over Cisco
because he wouldn’t complain about minutes
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Cisco's deal is also smaller
and he’s a guy all the young guys look up to.
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I'm not saying that I want to amnesty Cisco
I’m just saying that I can see where it would be better from a minutes perspective. I don’t like it, but the Kings believe that Salmons is better than Cisco. I also think that if you sign Crawford and Kirilenko you’re basically banishing Jimmer to clean up minutes unless AK is gonna play some 4. I don’t like it at all but I can see why they might do it.
I think AK47 will play some 4
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
do not like
doesn’t make sense either as we’d still be under the cap. team doesn’t need to do it unless they are trying to vastly overpay AK to get him to hurry up his decision-making
@dampania
why use the Amensty on Garcia ???
so ridiculous on so many levels its not even funny
This will be one of the dumbest moves in of 2012 free agency
Only thing I want from this season is : Tyreke to take the next step into all star caliber player, Demarcus to take the next step, and Jimmer to knock down shots. Making the playoffs is a huge mistake with this draft class IMO
To me nothing can top what the Knicks did to Billups...
They just picked up his option and amnestied him in the same offseason.
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by Wonderchild on Dec 14, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
It was a dick move from them, no doubt.
But their mentality is:
“He’s getting payed anyway so no biggie”
They’re looking at it in a business standpoint, not from a player standpoint per se.
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Trade Garcia Don't Amnesty.
I don’t understand the fascination with Cisco. He’s a nice guy, team player, but he can never stay on the court for any length of time.
The Kings have seen him more in a suit than on the court. From the financial standpoint I agree using the amnesty on his small contract doesn’t make any sense, because the deal isn’t hemorrhaging us.
We went from a team with no talent on it to possibly adding guys like AK47 and Crawford and we are complaining. It’s a 1 year deal and if it costs us Garcia so be it. We know Crawford will be on the floor do we know that about oops I fell and got a boo boo Garcia?
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 14, 2011 11:41 AM PST reply actions
I doubt Garcia's tradeable
But yeah, he is injury prone – seems to be an issue for most NBA players who are slight of frame. To be fair though, a good bulk of the time he’s missed is due to a freak accident.
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Spurs maybe?
I agree he is injury prone by some weird occurrences which is unfortunate because I like Cisco. More or less it’s frustrating to see him hurt every year. I think Garcia is tradeable to a team like the Spurs who could use a guy like Garcia.
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 14, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but if you have questions about him being injury prone
Won’t the Spurs? Would they want to tie up $12 million over the next two years for a guy that has a poor injury history?
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True
That’s basically MLE money right. Who of the MLE players are semi young like Cisco and offer what he may offer to a team like Spurs. I think a couple years ago we almost traded him to the spurs. Can’t remember when or who it was for though.
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 14, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Fell and got a boo boo?
I love you but that was just lame.
(did I get the hate the play not the player right?)
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I said that because it’s always something stupid like a little kid running and falling LOL. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cisco got injured by falling off a ladder while hanging Christmas lights. It’s always something and he’d be perfect for our team if he was every not hurt.
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 14, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well, over his first four seasons he averaged 73 games played
Then he had the freak injury in 09-10 but came back and played from February on. It was really last season that the nagging injuries were keeping him off the court (58 games played).
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Wow good stats
I know he had some ankle issues as well as that nagging wrist injury as well, but didn’t know he averaged 73 games.
That’s interesting, but Crawford is a better player then Cisco easily however I agree the fit doesn’t make much sense other than it raises our talent level.
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 14, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
I disagree.
Cisco can spot up shoot better and play defense. Which is…exactly what we need.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 14, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
I will give you when he got injured landing on Miller's foot
trying to get a lodged ball off the rim was pretty weird.
I will learn that your statements have a dramatic flair and to not take them literally or mean spirited.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
ak47 sat out todays game without being injured
watched in a suit for what it is worth. Heard on CD show.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
High hopes?
What about signing Crawford and trading him and Future pick for Gerald Wallace? Or him and ak47 god willing we somehow get both when we amnesty Garcia? Petrie could be loading commodity assests for trades… I personally would love Wallace back in Sac exactly what we need
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by corpse916 on Dec 14, 2011 12:10 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Can't do that
You can’t sign someone and then trade him. I believe he has to be on your roster for 30 days then you can trade him, so that won’t work.
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 14, 2011 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Wow that was fast.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 14, 2011 1:21 PM PST up reply actions
IF AK & Crawford both sign we will be about 3mil over Cap,
I think JT will be moved for a Whiteside type player & a 2nd round pick to get us back under the cap!
No Amnesty of Garcia to popular in the locker room & the community!
Why would we move JT and get another Whiteside type player.. Just amnesty Salmons and be done with it..Plenty of teams would probably take him up for at least 40% of his salary, and we would be fine at that point. You .Don’t give away young pieces for nothing
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While I agree that this would be optimal
It would look really bad for the team to amnesty Salmons after moving down in the draft and giving up Beno Udrih to get him – just five months ago.
So no chance that’s gonna happen for a while.
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Why JT?
Well believe it or not,IF we sign AK he will be the starting PF with Salmons at SF!Hayes will be backup C with Hickson as backup PF.This makes JT the 5th big & perfect tradebait being" a young piece"!
Except
that Hayes is defensively more of a PF than C, so JT is really the only defensive center that you have other than Cousins (not counting Whiteside until he does something). This team gets pretty small if you get rid of Thompson – Cousins would be your only rotations player over 6-9.
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by section214 on Dec 14, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Understand
Still the reason I see JT as oddman out is,ALL the bigmen that have been brought in.
Cousins & Whiteside drafted,SammyD then Hickson traded for,Now trying to sign AK all points to JT on the way out.I could see JT & Green to Phi for Spreights as an example then sign some like Fesko with the open roster spot.This would add length.BUT lost in this hypothetical was MY ORIGINAL POINT "NOBODY NEEDS TO BE AN AMNESTY VICTIM ON OUR TEAM!That was my point, the rest is a GUESS!
Whitside, Greene, Cisco, Hickson are all players that i would trade before JT..Jt is versatile at 4/5 position, has mostly better stats then Hickson (I got a post somewhere around here on this), and is already cohesive with the rest of the main squad including Salmons (JT drafted last year salmons was here).
That and JT doesn’t mind coming off the bench, doesn’t win, has a great motor and is a proven backup with his stats not being too far off you average starting PF/C. Hickson hasn’t proven anything in the league and the only defense he is better at is blocking shots, which does not equate to defense.. Honestly see JJ being like Landry here and getting traded off to contender at deadline. If we picked up AK47 here is the lineups i am seeing
Evans / Jimmer
Salmons / Thornton
AK47 / Garcia(Donte) (Dependent on matchup, Garcia is better defender and less chaotic)
Hayes / JJ
Cousins / JT
DNP’s – Greene(Garcia), Whiteside, Honeycutt and Thomas
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