Travis Outlaw Joins Kings For $12 Million Over Four Years
Yahoo!'s Adrian Wojnarowski broke the news that the Sacramento Kings had the, uh, winning bid for Travis Outlaw, who had been placed on amnesty waivers by the New Jersey Nets. Sam Amick of SI.com later reported the price: $12 million over four seasons, or $3 million a year. Outlaw is now the team's eighth highest-paid player behind John Salmons, Marcus Thornton, Francisco Garcia, Chuck Hayes, Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins and Jason Thompson. When all is said and done, he could very well be the No. 8 player in the rotation, supplanting Donte Greene and Garcia as the back-up small forward.
Outlaw had signed a five-year, $35 million deal with the Nets in July 2010; the deal was universally criticized. He ended up having the worst season of his career with the Nets, which is saying something considering he was a preps-to-pros player. He's shooting fell off the table last season (37 percent from the field, 30 percent on threes), and he really doesn't do a whole lot else effectively. He's a microwave scorer who last season totally struggled to score, a shooter who has had trouble shooting. He had four straight seasons shooting three-pointers at better than 37.7 percent before last year's disaster, and that shooting touch at the three or stretch four could be nice to have.
Something to watch will be how Paul Westphal uses him: in Portland, Outlaw was much better than he's been in L.A. and New Jersey the past two seasons. He shot a ton of long two-pointers for the Blazers, and was pretty damn good at converting them (compared to others; it's still a largely inefficient shot).
The salary commitment is small, just 5 percent of the cap. Outlaw won't likely "block" anyone -- Tyler Honeycutt is the only prospect at small forward who will lose rotation time because of this, assuming Donte Greene continues to get looks.
There's not a whole lot to lose here, but I'll be stunned if this ends up looking like a smart deal at any point in the future. It's another player with some talent for Westphal to play with.
I would be remiss not to re-introduce the Travis Outlaw canon into the record. The Oregonian's Kyle Laggner wrote the quintessential Outlaw profile in the summer of 2008. It includes this amazing, seemingly serious exchange
[Outlaw] says he would like to average 15 shots this season -- the amount Roy and Aldridge averaged last season -- and disputes the notion that he had the green light with the Blazers.
"Noooo. Noooo," Outlaw says about the green light, prompting his imitation of Blazers coach Nate McMillan. "'Now Travis, that shot, you can get something better than that.'"
John, his brother, agrees with McMillan's theory, that Outlaw could drive more and get more dunks or free throw attempts instead of settling for the jumper. But Outlaw doesn't want to hear any of it.
"Now, Carmelo, he's doing 360 (degree) fades, and George Karl is over there (he claps his hands) 'That's all right,'" Outlaw says. "Let me get a light like that. I be trying some stuff."
He has, in essence, fallen in love with his jumper, and is not shy about admitting it. He calls his jumpers "wet" because they splash through the net.
"I shoot jumpers like layups," Outlaw says. "Sometimes I get on a fast break and I want to pull up."
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does this mean we're taking the foot off the Ak47 pedal?
Shame though, i think he’ll be a better fit for us. But at the rate of Outlaw’s contract, i’m not bummed abut this acquisition.
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by 'tough as nails' spence on Dec 18, 2011 7:01 AM PST reply actions
Only J-will
can pull up on a fast break.
by Blue Dog on Dec 18, 2011 7:37 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
complete aside
but I think one of the most underrated things ever about Michael Jordan was his pull up mid range jumper on the fast break
by wallywagon11 on Dec 18, 2011 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
I like the signing,
but can’t shake the feeling that Outlaw is gonna be either a complete steal at 3mil, or a complete bust. Still, at least our bench got a little deeper, and hopefully a lot more consistent (hopefully not consistently bad).
Now all we need to do is install ticketing systems on all our players, we’ll be able to make enough money from opposing NBA teams to build our arena by seasons end.
Because they’re gonna blow past our guys like turnstiles. But that’s a problem for another thread.
This.
But it's OK, we have Hassan Whiteside.
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by SierraSpartan on Dec 18, 2011 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I don't know if that's OK anymore
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 18, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 14 recs
Right now, it's looking like it's gonna have to be.
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by SierraSpartan on Dec 18, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
The good part is
he comes cheap enough that I don’t feel it will be an impossible contract to move if he ends up a bust.
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 18, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Off topic
But did u guys see westphal ripping tyreke in a sac bee article. http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/12/westphal-calls.html#
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 18, 2011 8:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I think alot of this sluggish talk
has to do with the way Tyreke plays. He kind of glides around the court and it can look like he isn’t going at 100% sometimes. He needs to do that so he can change pace to blow by people to get to the rim.
I thought you looked a little sluggish out there today, Reke

On the other hand, Jimmer, I thought you looked very very good.

Okay, you two, now go out there and play together.
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by Slam_Dunk on Dec 18, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I remember reading
Outlaw grew anxious living up to the big contract NJ signed him to.
Hopefully at 3 mil he becomes the player he was in Portland.
Let me get this straight
We “won” the Outlaw bidding at $3mil, and Billups goes for $2.5mil?!? This seems odd.
by ivAAron on Dec 18, 2011 9:23 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Maybe we were bidding against ourselves,
plus Billups poisoned the well with some crap about retirement.
This.
Billups
Didnt he send out a warning to owners to not pick him up off of waivers? Said he wanted to make his own decision. I would have loved an old vet mentoring our young guards, but not if he’s going to be unhappy and be a cancer in the locker room.
by Cold12 on Dec 18, 2011 9:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Pretty sure it's a blind bid process ivAAron
and considering Billups pulled the whole “I will retire” thing … well?
by wallywagon11 on Dec 18, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
I am so embarrassed, I thought the Kings signed Bo Outlaw

On April 17, 1998, Outlaw recorded 25 points, 13 rebounds, and 10 assists in a 121-109 win over the New Jersey Nets. After the game, reporters asked him how he felt about his first triple-double, to which Outlaw famously replied “What’s that, some kind of hamburger?”
You wouldn't be the first.
ESPN has been calling him Bo Outlaw for a while.
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by T Darkstar on Dec 18, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's who I always picture when I hear Travis Outlaw
even though I know they’re different people.
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Certainly not the move that makes champions
But certainly made the team a bit better than before. For a team striving for any improvement, even incremental ones are a-ok.
Also, I’m looking at that Minnesota team, and I admit I’m a bit jealous.
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Just some thoughts on minnesota
What really stood out to me about Minnesota is that just about everyone on that team can shoot except Rubio. Love and Williams both had threes, and I think love had two. I doubt Rubio ever is an elite or even good scorer but he will rack up assists on this team. They are undersized but with love and Williams at the 4 & 5 and Beasley at the 3 they have some rowdy weapons for Rubio to work with. I bet Addleman makes it work and they contend for the 8th seed within the next couple of years.
I only watched a few min of the T-Wolves game
but from what I saw, Rubio’s passing is as advertised. He seemed like he would thrive in an up and down system and add some flash.
Didn’t see him shoot once.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 18, 2011 12:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don't remember where I read it
But someone was talking about how rubio’s passing seemed to be contagious and got the whole team in the passing mindset, much like Jason Williams led kings teams. I agree with the similarity and we will see with time if they can run as pretty a game as the kings used to.
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by raiderking21 on Dec 18, 2011 10:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
From what I've seen discussed around here-
It’s unlikely thatte team amnesties anyone. Don’t forget that they’d still be liable for the players salary, it just wouldn’t count against the cap (uh, right?). Maloofs are unlikely to pay a guy to not suit up if their finances are in the shape they appear to be.
by lead_pipe on Dec 18, 2011 10:18 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
As I recall, the money paid to an amnestied player counts against the salary floor but not the cap
Still don’t like the signing based primarily on the price the King’s paid. From what I’ve read and I don’t know how accurate it is, there were no other bids and we bid high. At the vets minimum, Outlaws contract would probably be reasonably easy to move. It’s not an albatross contract by any means but it’s more than he’s worth and it’s long enough that after the 2012/2013 season when the cap luxury tax penalties kick in it will be harder to move and for a player who won’t improve the Kings much anyway.
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You are correct
From what I have read the Kings don’t plan on amnestying anybody. That doesnt mean they shouldn’t. I am just saying in general that something should be done with him. Amnesty, Trade, leave on the side of the road, anything. Right now he is fit just to get juice-box’s and oranges. Can we all admit that he is waaaaay to expensive just to get us juice-box’s?
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Trade him
For Mo Williams or a guard. I’m tired if hearing about leadership. Yes it matters, but these are grown men they can manage without him. I seen a slow unathletic decent shooter. Hate on Donte all you like he played well and is only 23. I’d rather keep trying with him than playing Garcia because of loyalty.
by dj3ptspecialist44 on Dec 18, 2011 11:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I am soooo with you
Why are we even loyal to him? Honestly what has he done? I don’t just mean this season or last I mean EVER? I say we drive him out to Stockton Blvd, give him $5 bucks and tell him to learn a trade and holler “DONT GET BEAT UP” as we wave good bye to him.
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I don't understand all of the hand wringing and angst here
Once Salmons comes back, Garcia likely does not play much…perhaps even less once Outlaw is up to speed. And sadly, he is still better than Greene (fact!), so if we’re making the call based on contribution, Greene gets sent packing before Garcia.
You’re not going to trade him, because although his contract only runs two more years, he’s still overpriced. You’re not going to amnesty him (unless you sign another player that makes it necessary for cap reasons), because it’s really not going to save you any money. You’re not going to cut him for being a malcontent…because his is not a malcontent.
You don’t like the guy. Fair enough. But from any logical business sense, he’s here and he really isn’t hurting anything. He is only likely to get playing time when others are hurt or ineffective, and in the mean time he’s a good teammate. His presence on the Kings roster is really a non-issue.
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by section214 on Dec 18, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Yup
Untradeable without giving up another good asset, no point in amnesty-ing him, not a bad attitude. Also he’s not an abysmal player, and realistically someone at the 2/3 is going to get injured at some point and push Garcia into a backup role. Still don’t know why Petrie bid against himself and gave Garcia such a big deal, but it’s not like Garcia is killing the cap or the team.
This and I like Garcia better than Greene
Greene’s likable and all, but Cisco is actually a fairly consistent baller. He’ll give you what he has and is a perfect role player. Too bad our roster currently sucks(compared to other teams RIGHT NOW) and therefore exposes him as just that, a ROLE player. If he were on the Bulls, he’d be a godsend. Garcia is a quality player, but he’s perfectly a made to be a ROLE player, not a star, nor starter.
I don't see how Garcia is a problem on this roster
At least, to the extent it seems to upset you.
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Yeah, pretty much
He’s overpayed, but that’s it. You need two strikes on a player to get rid of him, so unless Garcia starts leading a rebellion, he’ll be on this roster.
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OMFG
That Petrie would touch this guy with a ten foot pole shows he’s lost something.
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by thelettere on Dec 18, 2011 10:40 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Am i happy?
We will see how this re-tread does but we need to re-sign dalembert! we need some bigs by the baske,.not just whiteside.GO KINGS!!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Dec 18, 2011 11:11 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
I really think this has the potential to be a great pick up for us.
Outlaw used to be nasty when he was on the Blazers. I think most of the bad perception surrounding him is do hime not living up to his 5/35 contract. The truth is there is no way in a million years that he should have ever been paid that. I think 12/4 is the perfect deal for him and will really help take the pressure off. We need a player that knows how to play at the forward position and Outlaw knows how to play. And if not we are paying him next to nothing so no harm done.
by rmgordon4 on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Agree
I’m with you on everything you said!!! I like this move as it opens up even more potential to pull of trade(s)…..Now C’mon Dally!!
by Get Jimmered on Dec 18, 2011 11:52 AM PST up reply actions
I'll bet the Blazers would trade Oden for a King
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Greg Oden is injured. Still. He is not playing this season.
Unless you meant Odin who is a Nordic badass, him and Jimmer on the same team? Universally awesome!
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by betweentheeyes on Dec 18, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Odin is cool and all,
but the dude only has one eye. That’s got to mess up his depth perception.
This.
This signing reveals what Kings think of Cisco and Donte
as much as their opinion of Travis Outlaw. (For that I applaud them because both these guys are not part of the future.) But its like an admission is “we are really bad at this position so lets go sign this guy so we are less really bad”.
Its fair to grant that last year was an anomaly, and he was playing slightly out of position (back-up 3 vs 4) since his PER was steady at 15.0 for a few seasons, and he’s young enough to regain his best form, but I still think this signing sucks. It is low risk, low reward signing, but there is no end game to his addition than adding a meddling player with mediocre to worse skill set.
Lets hope Outlaw surprises, but see what Hollinger says and try to get excited:
One of the poster children for the lockout: After signing a five-year, $35 million deal, then playing as if he were an 11th man for the Dakota Wizards, Outlaw’s career is at a crossroads. We saw signs of slippage in 2009-10, but nobody could have expected the crash and burn in 2010-11. Part of the problem, I maintain, is how he’s used. Outlaw was effective in Portland when he could play big chunks of the game as a small-ball 4 against backup power forwards, something he hasn’t been able to do the past two seasons.
He has made surprisingly little advancement in his basketball IQ in eight pro seasons. Outlaw still doesn’t have a great feel for the game off the ball and rarely uses his length and athleticism to get to the rim, preferring instead to shoot long Js off the dribble. He can shoot them over most defenders, but these are good shots only late in the clock; Outlaw routinely takes them earlier. Overall, two-thirds of his shots were from 16 feet or beyond, an odd strategy for an average shooter who stands 6-foot-9.
With all that said, he won’t be as bad as he was a year ago. Faint praise, I know, but that 30.2 percent mark on 3s is bound to improve, and the Nets will probably figure out how to put him in better situations.
Outlaw needs to be a major offensive contributor to be useful, because defensively he doesn’t offer a lot. Although he’s very long, Outlaw is all arms and legs and can’t get out of his own way. Once he starts going one way, he has no chance of changing direction quickly. His lack of coordination leads to near-comic sequences chasing players through screens off the ball, and his lack of strength means he can’t
play 4 more regularly. Synergy rated him among the league’s worst defenders, and his plus-minus supports that.
Yikes.
And if this signing means the end to the pursuit of AK47, or return of Peja-vu, it doubly sucks.
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by bench_blob on Dec 18, 2011 12:19 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I'm beginning to feel that this organization
is just bad all the way through, and/or doesn’t care about winning.
Reminds me of following the post “run TMC” era warriors – i.e. no hope.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 18, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
I would love it
If they brought back Peja. Even though he is old.
by KingsAs49erSharks on Dec 18, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
Outlaw... I want to see a Kings Spaghetti Western now (long title)
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Bench depth.
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by Scott Section 213 on Dec 18, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
4th quarter, .07 seconds down by 1 our line-up with the game on the line should be:
PG: Jimmer
SG: Reke
SF: Salmons
PF: Travis Outlaw
C: DeMarcus Cousins
That’s cold-blooded right there. Each and every one of those guys has proven they can hit the dagger(minus Cousins who’d be there for screens and passes and a threat to hit the 18 footer if the defense sags onto the guards).
Yeah I don't know how you don't have Marcus in that lineup
I’d have him over Salmons easily.
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Just put Jimmer a step or two from the half court
Have him shoot it from there… I like those odds.
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That is all.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 18, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would put Cisco in over Salmons
He does not freeze up at all taking the big shots
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
MT over Cisco
I’d do Jimmer, MT, Reke, Ouflaw, DMC. ball in Jimmer’s hands, unless of course it’s full court with no timeouts and only 1.5 seconds left, then Reke has to have it.
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by rpmonkey on Dec 19, 2011 7:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I like the Outlaw pick-up
It is pretty obvious he just likes playing in the
pacific time zone. His natural clock will be in time again, and that is the difference between hitting the rim on a jumper and swishing it through.
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by Ba-Da Bing on Dec 18, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Your username works perfectly well with your jokes
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by rmgordon4 on Dec 18, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Have you tried Atlantic time
It’s no good for me, but maybe you…
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Yeah the Kings probably won the frugal shopper of the year award
But I don’t like this pickup. Further quagmiring our roster in mediocrity makes no sense. We needed a defensive-minded power forward – Outlaw is not this.
by convoy on Dec 18, 2011 2:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
To be fair they are going after that guy
but he is being too wishy-washy and they needed a cheap stop-gap
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 18, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
I HATE this signing.
Outlaw BLOWS, and is a 10 cent head to boot.
Not the kind of veteran we need.
These kind of signings just seem to be about the Maloofs ‘saying’ that they are signing guys and trying to improve as cheaply as possible.
This likely takes us out of the AK47 realm, which is just terrible IMO.
I don't see why this would take us out of the AK-47 running
this only puts the payroll 2million over the minimum
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 18, 2011 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
The new lowered minimum
The Association lowered the cap floor from 85% to 80%.
I like the signing because the guy is more talented than Cisco or Greene. Accumulating talent makes for better trade opportunites. And hey, maybe, just maybe, he will help win games now.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 18, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This guy had the PER of almost half of the league average
This team shoulda just used Garcia and/or Donte Greene. Outlaw signing makes iittle sense and pay him $12M over 4 years?
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by kingme18 on Dec 18, 2011 7:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
$12/4 is NOTHING
extremely low risk move. If he’s plays like he did pretty much every year except last year it’s a great value signing.
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Any team in the league could have just had him. I don’t think he has any trade value at all.
Do you think that any of our forwards do? I’d say we MIGHT get a second round pick for any one of them – might.
not even remotely true
there are very few teams still under the cap that could bid on outlaw and there were multiple teams eager to snatch him up after he cleared the amnesty waiver.
this was a low risk with likely reward signing by geoff to cover his bases as ak47 was seemingly out of the picturre at this point
If we are going to add cap, WHY wouldn’t we take on guys that have a game, or are young enough to develop? We must have the most lame small forwards in the NBA. This contract cuts into the money we could offer Kirilenko.
I just honestly don’t get this signing at all.
well, according to ESPN roster classification
Small Forwards around the NBA – where the highs are high and the lows are low
Boston: Paul Pierce (34 y/o), Sasha Pavlovic
NJN: Shawnee Williams, Stephen Graham, Damion James
NYK: Carmelo Anthony
76ers: Craig Brackens, and listed as F* (not PF or SF) Thaddeus Young, Andres Nocioni
Toronto: Linas Kleiza, James Jonhson, Gary Forbes F
I could go through the other 24 teams but I think the Atlantic Division proves the point.
Not so bad when compared to that group now, is it?
by betweentheeyes on Dec 18, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Ha! You make a good point!
Still, in the past two years, Travis Outlaw and Francisco Garcia have been almost the EXACT same player. Look up their stats. I doubt very seriously that anyone here would be fired up over acquiring Garcia as a FA.
I just don’t see this as useful depth. I’d ALWAYS rather have a big buried on the bench than a swingman. 2/3s are a dime a dozen. There was no reason to wrap him up for FOUR YEARS.
Hmmm,
The Outlaw blows, he wails.
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by section214 on Dec 18, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Kings' Roster:
Six Guards; Eight Forwards (Nine Counting Cousins and Outlaw); Three Centers (Counting Cousins), including a possible cardiac case, but at least we have Whiteside——Priceless!
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Reading the wide swings of emotion on this thread makes me...
…feel like I’m not alone. Thank you all. It’s that time of month for the girlfriend and yes am I hearing the rants. LOL j/k
by Scott Section 213 on Dec 18, 2011 5:14 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yah
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Ditto.
I have a buddy who’s father died of an out-of-the-blue heart attack. Guy was healthy, etc. It’s great they saw something on the exams.
by Scott Section 213 on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Could this signing be because
Salmons will be out with his knee injury l for a long period of time?
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
Not a knee injury.
Quad. The play he got hurt happened right in front of me. Cisco jumped into Salmons’ side trying to block a shot.
by Scott Section 213 on Dec 19, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions
Once again, everybody's soooo pessimistic on here
Give the guy a shot before jumping to conclusions. I feel like that’s everyone’s favorite game around here.

by JVinci on Dec 18, 2011 6:16 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
convoy still wants his stapler back
Or he’ll burn PBP down.
by $KingsElite$ on Dec 18, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
When I return to the office next week...
…I’ll dig up an old used one for him. LOL j/k
by Scott Section 213 on Dec 19, 2011 7:56 AM PST up reply actions
Just remember, if you hang in there long enough, good things can happen in this world. I mean, look at me.
by Brannigan's Law on Dec 18, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I think they are acknowledging that they can't really sign the big guns
So they have to try to improve the squad incrementally while retaining flexibility. So they are trying to add guys that are slightly better than the guys we have and be fairly deep down the roster for when the inevitable injuries occur.
"His D was a difference at the end."
technically this how the bench mob got started
by bignerd on Dec 18, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Yep.
You remember the history of the glory days. Plus he’s a ‘good’ lockerroom guy.
by Scott Section 213 on Dec 19, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
When you get right down to it, to the point where bone is grinding on bone how many teams can actually sign the big guns?
Knicks, Lakers, Dallas, Boston, Miami? You can possibly add the Clips and Brooklyn Nets to the list. Am I leaving off any teams that the big gun free agents would willingly go to? I’m not talking money per se but attractive urban destination cities that the cream of the NBA crop wants to live in and play for?
I think they (King’s front office) are acknowledging that there aren’t that many big guns out there this season to be had by any team and that they are unsure if the team as constituted is ready for and would turn into a potentially “great team” if they added the big gun this year. I want to see DMC and Chuck Hayes play with the Kings other starters but if AK47 is enjoying playing in Russia and is in no hurry to leg it back to the states then I would really like to see Sammy brought back for the Kirilenko type of contract offer.
Frances Amthor: I think you're a very stupid person. You look stupid, you're in a stupid business, and you're on a stupid case.
Philip Marlowe: I get it. I'm stupid Farewell My Lovely (1975)
And in this vein I get what I want how I want it because I am the customer. You might want to remember that you thieving scumbag mongrel bitches.
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outside of divac...
who has this team ever picked up as a free agent? draft or trades(reluctant ones for the other parties at that) seem to be the only possibility
by Brannigan's Law on Dec 18, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
THIS
is the reason why over the years I have slowly began doubting Petrie.
MY NAME'S AL HARRINGTON, I GET BUCKETS
Doubting Petrie because big free agents won't sign here?
I don’t see how that makes sense.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 19, 2011 7:49 AM PST up reply actions
I think...
…Sammy loves us fans. He was having a blast at last season’s season ticket holder party. That is a wild-card in our favor, if Petire is still talking with his agent.
by Scott Section 213 on Dec 19, 2011 7:55 AM PST up reply actions
Deja Vu again?
Hi guys I’m new here
Well, this signing looks awfully alike comparing with Desmond Mason on 09 and Antonie Wright on 10. Both kicked out before or on the early days of the season. Feeling a bit of deja vu again…
I just wanna ask, is the possible to waive an amnesty clause player a team picked up?
by Felix Charlie Chan on Dec 19, 2011 5:23 AM PST reply actions
Agree that this move and those are similar in that they are all low-risk, fair-reward, and ultimately are nothing to sweat either way.
Not sure about when we could waive Outlaw if he somehow starts hurting the team, but I think you’re worrying too much about a 3mil/year guy that will play if he’s contributing, and won’t play if he’s not. If he’s outplaying Cisco/Donté then he’ll get minutes and they won’t, if he’s not outplaying them then Outlaw won’t get minutes and they will. I really don’t see what the big deal is here.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 19, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps Outlaw could become the only player ever to be amnestied 2x.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 19, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
Chump Change the new board game by the Maloof Brothers

No money? No problem.
Its the new board game put out by the Maloof Brothers, whose philosophy is: Why put out big money for an NBA player, when you can pick up a player for Chump Change?
Teach your children the value of a dollar with this game. Get it in stores now, in time for the holidays.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
by Slam_Dunk on Dec 19, 2011 8:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Really?
The Maloofs have committed $65.5 million dollars in future salary to 3 players in the last week:
Thornton: 32 million/4
Hayes: 21.5 million/4
Outlaw: 12 million/4
They outbid the league to acquire Outlaw, and locked up MT23 and Hayes the first day money could be spent. Their offers were generous and finalized without penny-pinching squabble.
You can debate the merits of these players, but the Maloofs are spending. Your characterization is a bit of a cheap shot at easy targets that does not hold weight in light of recent events.
The Kings have put in a bid for AK47, but they cannot force a player to sign. AK47 is reportedly making $8 million dollars a year (3/24) to play in his homeland. To lure him away, the Kings would have to exceed this amount, perhaps significantly. Would you not agree? It is not outside the realm of possibility, in fact, it is likely that the Kings offer is upwards of $30 million dollars. This is not chump change.
If you don’t like the Maloofs, I understand. But it is only fair, not to mention accurate, to consider all the variables in play, factual and logically inferred, instead of clinging to cynical preconceptions.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Dec 19, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yet they are barely over the amount they are OBLIGATED to spend under the current CBA
So there’s no real kudos due to them at this time IMO. Just making an offer to a guy doesn’t convince me they are going to spend the rest of the cap money – actually spending that money will convince me.
Until then, they are doing the bare minimum.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Tough crowd
They are currently $2.5 million over bare minimum, or thereabouts. How does making a legitimate offer not convince you of their willingness to spend? If AK47 says ‘yes’ to their offer, are the Maloofs going to say ‘just kidding’?
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
And here I thought you were a results oriented person
I guess it just depends on who you’re talking about. A hard-working but somewhat limited big man like JT? Well, look at the numbers! Nothing else matters! He’s awful!
But a couple of snake-oil salesmen who wouldn’t show their faces in town most of last season and hoped to have the franchise in Anaheim right now? Well shit, those guys gave Travis Outlaw three million per year! They must be legit!
Maybe the Maloofs know their AK47 offer won’t likely be accepted, but it’s good p.r. for them to make the offer? Or perhaps they are just trying to impress Stern for a season so they can say with a somewhat straight face that they gave it their best effort and then file for relocation again?
What have they done the past few years that should give anyone the idea they are serious about spending money or legitimately improving this team until they actually spend it?
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Dec 19, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
In their defense
Most everyone agreed that the past few years were the wrong time to spend big on free agents for this team due to the rebuild process. as I remember, we didn’t want to end up a middling team just at the fringe of the playoffs year to year.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 19, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Not the past few years actually
They had cleared a considerable amount of cap space prior to last season and had the flexibility to make some moves. And they did nothing other than spend the bare minimum while they chased Anaheim.
Those are facts. Sorry if them going a few million over the cap to sign a mediocre player doesn’t excite me.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I'm 100% with you on this year being dissapointing
But the reason for not signing people last year was the CBA, and it was at least plausible, and a somewhat supported position here on STR – we knew the CBA was coming up, and the plan was to wait until after and then use the “more valuable post-CBA” cap space.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 19, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
I'll give you that, the CBA issue was "plausible" at the time
Watching the Maloofs abandon Sacramento (especially on Fan Appreciation Night), then cower and run from the local media when they tried to approach them in New York – well, that made me realize the issue was more likely cheap-ass owners who thought they’d be counting their big-market dollars right now.
I don’t trust ‘em for a second. Signing Travis Outlaw or “making an offer” to AK47 isn’t enough to change that.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
again, I completely agree
It made sense at the time, and then in hindsight, could also be a symptom of them packing their bags in the night.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 19, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
My opinion of JT, like any player, is not rooted in numbers
it is reflected in numbers. He has below average body balance, slow reaction time, no low post moves, heavy feet, and a fragile emotional disposition. His numbers subsequently support what the eyes can see.
JT did tone up a little this off-season, so maybe this will help.
If the Maloofs were interested in good P.R. they would leak the terms of their offer. That theory doesn’t add up.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Yet your signature last season spoke strictly about your prediction on his numbers
And that’s the argument you made consistently…that all that mattered was where his per-game numbers fell. Don’t pretend you had a nuanced argument, I don’t think any of us have memory’s that are THAT short.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Dec 19, 2011 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My prediction was based on my perceptions outlined above.
Lets move on.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Then let's move on
My opinion of JT, like any player, is not rooted in numbers
it is reflected in numbers.
So, to be fair, shouldn’t you apply the same criteria to your opinion of the Maloofs?
At least JT appeared to be giving an effort the last few seasons. :)
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Dec 19, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I guess it just depends on who you’re talking about. A hard-working but somewhat limited big man like JT? Well, look at the numbers! Nothing else matters! He’s awful!
I fyou are talking about JT dude hes just in his 4 years into the league…His stats are pretty damn close to Kamans career stats, and you say he is awful..He is not quite starter material, but he brings a lot to this team off the bench
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
Dude broke his back and returned in what... a week?
He has permanent beast status in my book
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 19, 2011 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We'll be satisfied when we make a trade
that brings in a nice player and vaults us near the top of the salary cap.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
And makes us competitive.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 19, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
We have cap space we’re going to spend. I don’t know if we’ll spend all of it, but we’ll spend a good portion of it. Gavin Maloof, May 2, 2011
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
by Slam_Dunk on Dec 19, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I totally agree. They’ve spent money and more importantly they haven’t spent it stupidly. I have no issues with the money committed Thornton, Hayes and Outlaw.
Also, to all of the people whining about the lack of money being spent, who the hell do you want the Maloofs to spend it on? We all know that this free agent class is pretty damn weak. That being said, the Kings managed to sign an elite post defender and a dynamic shooting guard to very fair contracts. I would like to see AK47 in Sacramento and the Maloofs made a solid push to get him, I’m not sure what else they could have done. And the fact is that you don’t know what more they could have done either. For all any of us know, the Kings blew him away with a 3 year, $33 million deal but he didn’t want to play for Sacramento.
Spending money to spend money is stupid. I understand that people are frustrated with the Maloofs, I am too. But I’m not frustrated with this offseason, which by the way isn’t over yet.
Looking Ahead (and back...)
GP has always been in search of good “value” players…Granted we spent more in early 2000’s but we were competing for rings then and most of our big contracts were resigning players we already had(Cwebb, Bibby, SnT for Miller, Peja) … 3 mil/year seems like a good value to me for Outlaw as does 5mil/year for Hayes… Big name Big money FA’s usually don’t consider Sac so GP has got to pull off a good trade ala CWebb for Richmond. Aquiring Outlaw gives us more flexibility to pull off such a trade and bring in a top tier player in a 2 or 3 for 1 move near the deadline (we have some youth/expiring contracts that other teams might want.) Plus we need to resign both Reke and DMC who probably are our “Big Name Big Money FA’s” so we don’t want to get wrapped up in too many big long term contracts right now.
by Get Jimmered on Dec 19, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Richmond for Webber,
I don’t see a player that would be able to pull of a trade like that again. We can’t trade Tyreke or Cousins and get a “Webber”, because they’re not in their primes, they’re young, and they make much more sense for us to hold on to.
So is all our cap space going to go to re-signing them in a year or two?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 19, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I say yes...
I gotta believe GP is planning ahead for both of them…They won’t be cheap!!!…. Are they both Max Deal Players? Will they WANT to stay? The CBA will help with it’s new rules about resigning the players you draft – we can offer much more money to keep them than other teams can offer them so we will need space.
by Get Jimmered on Dec 19, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
They needed to spend another small chunk of change at some point, might as well do it before the season starts.
I bet the Maloofs told Petrie to get whoever he wants, as long as it’s good value. They put in their offer for AK47, figuring he’s probably the only guy out there that would be worth a biggish payday for this team right now (though, I have no idea what they’re thinking on Dally right now, it’s been a weird offseason in regards to Sammy in his dealings with the Kings and with any other team). They’re probably a little frustrated with how the AK situation is going down, were hoping to have the roster set by the start of games, don’t see any remaining FA that they want to throw a deal at, would’ve probably liked to bid on Billups if he wasn’t throwing a bitch fit, saw Outlaw hit the waiver wire and figured this was a good chance to get good value on a probable rotation player.
Now they’re over the minimum, are a lot less reliant on inexperienced players than in previous years, have good depth for a brutal schedule (not the deepest talent, but at least not a huge drop-off through most of the roster), and still have a huge amount of cap and trade flexibility moving forward. Signing Gasol or Nene would have been nice, but if this is the last move the Kings make until the trade deadline, I’d say they feel pretty good about their offseason. There are a ton of reasons to expect that they’ll be a much better team than last year, and a lot of other teams can’t say that. Time to roll the ball out there, hope the guys all gel and take a good step forward this season, and give us all something to cheer for. Let the Outlaw era begin!
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 19, 2011 8:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Because you are hoping Travis Outlaw gets to that level?
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
soooooooo....
No chuck Hayes, but we are stuck with a broken handed travis outlaw….wow this team’s basketball I.Q. just plummeted. I don’t like it, I don’t like it all…perhaps we all took too much pleasure in watching the Lakers off season debacle and the karma got us. and aaaa the dude did not break his hand in a boxing workout. if you saw his interview on the news, he was way to evasive about what happened. I see him being a real bad fit for us. he is no chuck hayes that is for sure.
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by section214 on Dec 20, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
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