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"I thought Tyreke looked sluggish and not ready to show how he can play," Westphal said. "I think he needs to pick up his pace play and he did a little bit in the second half. He needs to keep getting in better shape and play at a little faster speed and make better decisions with the ball. He killed the clock a few times and that's not the way we're going to play this year."

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Tha'ts the thing

First preseason game with 3 starters out, Tyreke doesn’t play badly, and Westphal is already calling him out. It’s a great way to get players to tune you out.

I make no bones about thinking Westphal is a bad coach, this is but one of many reasons why. Fans and the media love these public pot shots, but great coaches don’t do this, or at least pick their spots very carefully. Publicly calling out your star player for getting his legs in the first exhibition game is ridiculous. Good luck, PW.

by nbrans on Dec 18, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Well at least you and I agree Phil Jackson ISN'T a great coach then.
Fans and the media love these public pot shots, but great coaches don’t do this,

by Smills9133 on Dec 18, 2011 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Phil Jackson picks his spots

And his players. Methinks Phil wouldn’t be dumping on Kobe after the first exhibition game. He probably wouldn’t even dump on Luke Walton.

by nbrans on Dec 18, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

he has done exactly that.

He has called Pau out a couple times, and that’s a player with soft nerves as it is. Tyreke played OK in the game, but he was hardly where he probably should be. He was out of tune, and his coach just said it like it was. I don’t see the problem here.

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by Ellimist on Dec 18, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

So you're saying you have an issue with it?

I am happy to see PW say that we aren’t going all to stand around and watch Tyreke dribble dribble dribble, while no one else moves, and then watch Reke dribble the shot clock out, or turn it over.

I’m sure PW has/is talking to Reke regarding his play. This is a good thing for the team. You know, encourage ball/player movement.

by chenp22 on Dec 19, 2011 4:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree

Calling him out in the media is petty. He’s just posturing because too many fans think he never says anything to Tyreke in private. Say it in private & don’t worry about what the fans think. Winning games is what will get the fans on your side. You’re not Phil Jackson. You will never be Phil Jackson. Try to focus on atleast being Rick Adelman.

by Allbenji on Dec 18, 2011 5:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not a PW fan but

Maybe he’s already spoken to him in private about this issue in the past and this is the next step in resolving this issue

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by kangsfan on Dec 18, 2011 6:58 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I don't see this as calling him out

I think Westphal is declaring what he wants his offensive gameplan to be—“not the offense of last 2 years.”

by nobodyinparticular on Dec 18, 2011 10:36 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it this way

I think he is just telling the media what he saw and isn’t calling anyone out. Tyreke looked sluggish and he wants him to work on that, nothing more nothing less.

by Merickel on Dec 18, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

It's preseason

Players are GOING to look sluggish in the preseason. Especially with an abbreviated training camp. I would see the “sluggish” part of this quote as an explanation of why Tyreke wasn’t as good as he normally. I wouldn’t consider it calling him out.

by nobodyinparticular on Dec 18, 2011 11:13 AM PST reply actions  

To add to this-

Our perception of PW’s comments isn’t so important. What counts is the way in which they’re taken by Tyreke and the rest of the team. Even with the Spencer imbroglio and line-up wackiness he’s consistently had the team going hard (if not going well). Let’s give it some time to see if he keeps up with this sort of thing, and to see how it affects the team.

by lead_pipe on Dec 18, 2011 11:33 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

As a coach gets more options...

…in regards to talent, he can hold players accountable. In the last 8 month we have added Thornton, Fredette, Salmons, Thomas to the back court. At any time PW can and should send a message to any of them without fear of a huge drop off. Calling him out is a good thing,but shouldn’t have been done publicly.

by jroot on Dec 18, 2011 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Well said Section

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by SavageBeast on Dec 18, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Remember

last year the team had issues with nobody calling out Tyreke on his crap. If anything this may help keep the team as a whole in better shape (as long as he is fair about it).

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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 18, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Because it is a shortened pre- and full-season, I think Westphal wanted to light Evans'

a little.

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by Natomaser on Dec 18, 2011 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Please explain

I don’t understand why you would assume that a comment like this would lead to Tyreke tuning him out. Your distaste for Westphal is obvious, but this also sheds some insight into how you feel about Tyreke. Give the guy a little credit. Do you really think Tyreke is the type of player that would stop listening and learning for being called “sluggish” and being questioned on his time management, when it clearly was an actual issue? If so, than we got some bigger problems that a new coach won’t fix.

I know it was basically a meaningless preseason game, but listen to some post game interviews with other head coaches, specifically after a loss. Comments like that are not uncommon by any means. For all we know Westphal talked to Tyreke about it and he agreed with him. If the Kings are going to be a successful team, than Tyreke needs to be a leader and except responsibility and criticism when things don’t go right. I for one have faith that he will.

by Crocoduck on Dec 18, 2011 12:23 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

From the article
Evans said he didn’t feel sluggish.

“Not really,” Evans said. “Just couldn’t get the flow of it. That first couple of minutes was kind of difficult. Me and Steph (Curry) talked about it but I got going after that really.”

I trust Evans to be a professional and maybe I’m making a mountain out of a molehill. I just think it was a harsh statement to make to the media and that Westphal should be keeping his powder dry. Yeah, keep Evans accountable but keep this behind closed doors.

by nbrans on Dec 18, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, keep Evans accountable but keep this behind closed doors.

That’s the thing: we don’t know whether this is what Westphal has been doing for the past two seasons. I mean, we all know Evans makes questionable decisions at times; this statement to the media may be the thing that jump starts Evans into becoming a better decision maker.

Or not.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 18, 2011 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

If Evans is not man enough to take criticism he is not the leader of this team

Think what you will of PW, but he called what most fans saw. If the coach has to tap dance around a player, then that player is not your team leader. I fully expect Evans to take the criticism as a challenge to step up his game. Two years ago the whole game was on his shoulders. Now he has other solid players around him. It’s up to Evans to recognize the difference and play solid team ball. I think think he can and will. But if he doesn’t, PW has every right to call him out.

Do you think Sloan Pop would be afraid to call a player out in public?

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by SavageBeast on Dec 18, 2011 12:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Sloan wouldn't

But he was let go after a long career because he couldn’t get along with Deron Williams, and he clashed repeatedly with Kirilenko. Maybe you put that that on the players, but ultimately I’m an adherent of the Adelman style of treating players with respect, sticking to a pecking order, and giving players the freedom to make mistakes without yanking them. Players flourish in that style – just as you or I do when we have bosses who keep us accountable without being dicks about it.

by nbrans on Dec 18, 2011 1:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I expect he will step up his game

I just wouldn’t expect it the first game of a shortened pre-season.

by Allbenji on Dec 18, 2011 5:57 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Good for PW

If Tyreke’s is really going to be the leader of this team and lead by example he needs to be the best player he can be at all times. If the coach will call out his best player, everyone else knows the same applies to them. Reke is in his 3rd year, no more coddling the kids.

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by edm7 on Dec 18, 2011 1:27 PM PST reply actions  

I like it

I don’t like PW, but I like this.

There has been chatter in the past that PW had one set of rules for Tyreke, and another set of rules for the rest of the players. And players resented the fact that Tyreke was not held to the same level of accountability as to his lesser talented teammates.

I don’t have a problem with this, in fact, I like it, because Tyreke is not going to wilt in the face of criticism. He is going to be more conscious of adjusting his game appropriately.

My perception of Tyreke is that he sometimes crosses the line from extreme confidence into cockiness. Extreme confidence is good. Cocky is not. There are times he wants to razzle and dazzle with dribble display and this is not the easy or efficient play. Last night he went behind his back into nowhere that resulted in jump ball and loss of possession. You could see PW cringe.

And the main thing is this: PW is not trying to limit Tyreke. He is not trying restrict his freedom as player. The adjustment PW wants Tyreke to make will not prevent him from becoming an All-Star. He’s just sending a loud and clear message that has not been consistently received: Make the easy play, not the forced play. Rely upon your teammates and ball movement, not unquenchable desire to embarrass your defender.

The fact that PW ‘calls him out’, which in my view was just frustration borne out of repeated witness to selfish play, speaks to the fact that Tyreke has ingrained tendencies to monopolize that are tough to shake. It is ironic, however, that PW has been part of the reason the tendencies to monopolize exist in the first place.

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by bench_blob on Dec 18, 2011 1:44 PM PST reply actions  

Missing the point here

Westphal calling out Tyreke = good

Westphal calling out Tyreke in the media = not so good

If he’s not careful he’s going to lose the lockerroom.

by Scirocco on Dec 18, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

if the team loses games PW is out, simple as that

if there is a concern about players being motivated or listening and it reaches the point of saying something like this in public, this would be one of those points because if Tyreke doesn’t speed it up he’s screwed either way. And it’s going on to year three now so at this point might as well.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 18, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats how you define it

which is fair enough, but you can also look at it as PW is taking a public stand on behalf of the good of the team. In effect saying, everyone is now being held accountable to play the right way, including my best player.

DMC was called out last year publicly. He seems to have responded OK, though overall I thought the discipline was mishandled. I don’t think Tyreke is nearly as sensitive to criticism as NBrans implies, that he may tune out his coach as a result. I think Tyreke can handle the criticism and be a better player as a result.

If you want to say its better handled behind closed doors, you won’t get much argument from me, but I don’t think his comments were premeditated. They were said out of frustration in the moment.

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by bench_blob on Dec 18, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Tyreke handles criticism well

but that doesn’t mean pussy-foot around him. I like that he’s telling it how it is, I just wish this happened a year ago

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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 18, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

See it doesn't NEED to be public

I feel like the DMC situation last year was really similar. Could have all been resolved behind closed doors. I’m sure there was valid criticism to the way Tyreke played the game, but it doesn’t need to be told to the reporters.

I can’t remember a single time Adelman called out a player like this; it was always “x had a bad game, he’ll bounce back” or something vague like that. Here Westphal SPECIFICALLY points out Tyreke 1) was sluggish 2) needs to get in better shape 3) needs to not kill the clock. Whether it was spontaneous or premeditated, its just completely unnecessary.

I’m not a Westphal hater. I think he’s a decent coach. This was a boo-boo on his part regardless.

by Scirocco on Dec 18, 2011 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Lose the lockeroom?

What Westphal said is not harsh, uncommon, and in my opinion was justified. Tyreke had 5 TO, settled for outside jumpers more than he should have, and showed poor clock management on several occasions. I thought he looked healthy, in good shape, and explosive, but Westphal certainly had a case. Tyreke’s a big boy and the leader of this team. I think he can handle a little criticism.

Please go watch some post game interviews. I just watched Adelman’s after the team WON and he was “calling out” Derrick Williams on his defense and that he needs to improve. I really think this is a non issue, and has been talked about more here than it has in the locker room.

by Crocoduck on Dec 18, 2011 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes

plus when the team loses and our star player/leader has a rough game, he should take some of the blame. I don’t think its a bad thing, but it send a message that he is responsible for running the team on the court and the team will go where he takes them. If he wants to improve and leads by example, then the team may make the playoffs and PW can keep his job. If he ignores PW, then the team will struggle and PW will get fired. You can’t take the spot light during a win without accepting some blame for a loss (see LBJ).

by SharkKings49 on Dec 19, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m with Westphal on this , what the coach said was not harsh. but would of been nice if coach would of call out J.T and Garcia also.

by Beer_man on Dec 18, 2011 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

If you don't like that...

…you don’t like Kings basketball. Ooooooh boy.

by Scott Section 213 on Dec 18, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Win.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 18, 2011 11:52 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

No big deal really

But let’s not be silly and parse the coach’s words. PW’s been using the media to prod his players for quite a while and that’s what he was doing here. I guess it’s up to the individual to decide if that’s a good or bad thing.

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by otis29 on Dec 19, 2011 5:22 AM PST reply actions  

This is a great point.

Westphal said something similar to Peaches about 4 weeks ago too. This isn’t the first time. It’s just the first time after an actual live game that we saw Tyreke Evans play in.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

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