Samuel Dalembert Signs With Rockets, And Kings' Bizarre Offseason Gets More Weird
by Tom Ziller on Dec 21, 2011 2:21 PM PST
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Things just keep getting weirder and weirder for the Sacramento Kings.
On the first day of free agency, the Kings reached a four-year deal with Chuck Hayes, who would be the new defensive anchor of the club. Five days later, he failed a stress echo test. Five days after that, the contract was voided.
In the aftermath, reports linked the Kings back to center Samuel Dalembert, the team's previous defensive anchor who remained a free agent. Yesterday, reports indicated that the only other suitor -- the Houston Rockets -- were out of the running. Last night, Dalembert told a reporter that he basically had a deal with the Kings, that only the final details on the structure of the contract needed to be worked out.
Today, with that deal expected to go down, the Kings sent out a one-sentence press release stating that the club had revoked its offer to Dalembert -- an offer the team had never previously publicized or confirmed. Within a minute or so, ESPN's Marc Stein reported that Dalembert had reached a two-year deal with the Rockets.
The Dalembert saga on its own deserves attention -- the Kings never take contract negotiations public. Geoff Petrie is more likely to quote Tolstoy than show his hand on a free agent signing or trade. To put out a quick release disclaiming interest in Dalembert as Dalembert signs with another club is just ... completely abnormal for this GM and this team. In my crude estimation, that means someone pissed Petrie off. And that someone is likely Dalembert's agent.
But after Hayes and Dalembert, with most other suitable defensive big men off the market, the question becomes a simple one: who now? I argued yesterday that going into the season with the current roster is completely tenable if inglorious. Unless Andrei Kirilenko is picking up his phone and it's Petrie -- not Billy King -- calling, it looks like that will have to do.
The team's only newcomer via free agency in this grand summer of spending could be Travis Outlaw. What a weird offseason.
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sign a low level guy
I don’t think a trade is coming. The Chuck Hayes thing hurt the franchise a lot, it seems.
Sounds like Bonzi Wells all over again
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Release the Kraken!
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by Shizzo on Dec 21, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Amick
Sam Dalembert’s 2-year deal w/ Houston pays $7M in ’11-12, w/ team option for $7M in ’12-13, sources say. If option declined, $1.5M buyout.
That's cheap
Makes me wonder even more what is up. Maybe Grant will have some clues at 3:00
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
If anyone listens to his show today please update us
After this weeks events, I don’t think I could deal with listening to that douche
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Come on
Its like going to your favorite uncles funeral and having his weird brother do the eulogy
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Uncle's Brother?
Wouldn’t that be your dad? What are you saying?!? He’s my father? Oh Maury, say it isn’t so!
by #12Pick...who? on Dec 21, 2011 2:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 21, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Could just be your other uncle.
"Where hope goes to die"
So far all he has said is that
he thinks something must have ticked off the Kings in the 12 hours previous to the announcement.
He also wonder what it means for Donte and Greene that Pw said he was going to play this like a real game and the started Honneycutt. He said Salmons will get the bulk of the SF minutes but thought he might be sending a message to those 2.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Apparently deal is 2 years with a player option for next year
worth $7 million this year. That seems very doable from the Kings perspective, and its the same thing Kwame freaking Brown is making. Something must have pissed them off.
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Make that a team option on the second year
with a $1.5 million buyout if option is declined. So it’s either 2 years, $14 million or 1 year $8.5 million.
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I really think
that it is the same as Trevor Ariza’s agent where he gets paid more commission if his client signed with the Rockets instead of the L*kers.
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Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
I think something definitely went bad here.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this is a Houston vs Sacramento thing. I think they felt hurt with the Chuck Hayes signing while they were bogged down with the CP3 nightmare. They couldn’t react with that trade in limbo. Maybe…just maybe, this is how they thank Petrie.
We got used
I think Sammy D used the Kings’ situation to make it seem like a bidding war. That’s why the Kings released that press release – so that Houston would know they’re bidding against themselves.
Good riddance Sam. If management had him they would have made an effort to do so earlier – as they always do. While he’d help in the short term, clearly he doesn’t bring other things we need – veteran leadership/mentorship, etc. If he were what we wanted/needed, they would have pursued him harder earlier. I think that guy is a piece.
I agree
And I was excited when we got Sammy. Obviously, while capable, he is not essential to our success.
Worst case scenario, now the Kings' frontcourt is going to be decimated night after night.
Guess we’ll have to hope for AK47.
Looking forward to a Lakers collapse.
This was to be our big off season?
We got Maloof’ed. We got Maloof’ed so hard.
And Stern can block the CP3 trade, but can’t let Burkle buy the Kings?
Lame.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
I don't see how Burkle buying the team would've made any difference.
We made offers. It’s up to the players to accept. The $$ is the same to the players whether it’s coming form Burkle or the Maloof’s.
Burkle has more money to spend.
Bigger offers equal better players. The Maloofs didn’t even bid on Gasol, Nene or Chandler. It’s likely we wouldn’t have gotten them anyway, but at least SHOW the fans that you’re trying.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
"The Maloofs didn’t even bid on Gasol, Nene or Chandler."
And you know they didn’t talk to their agents how? Geoff is known to not make his moves public. Ziller even references that in this article.
I think this is an interesting avenue to explore though
Does Petrie’s penchant for playing it close to the vest hurt the perception of the team from the average Kings fan?
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by otis29 on Dec 21, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
But why would the agent withhold the information as well?
I think if they were truly in conversations with all these guys it would have been leaked at some point
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 21, 2011 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Offering a player like those a huge contract isn't something that stays quiet. Too many agents, etc. involved.
If you disagree with my premise, just say so. Don’t start rehashing tired old lines that don’t really help advance the discussion.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
The kings were in on Chandler
But he told them no pretty early. Nene was never going to happen and Gasol was getting matched no matter the price
by Lotusprime on Dec 21, 2011 4:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Lousy FA class all around, factoring in availability.
"Where hope goes to die"
I'm of the opinion that Dalembert passed on us
Because he was mad at the organization and just flat out didn’t want to play for us. A new owner changes that.
Read: Toblerone Jones
You think?
I just don’t see it, with that roster.
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by otis29 on Dec 21, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I like Houston's roster actually
I think they’re one piece away from putting together a deep run in the playoffs. They have the youth pieces to pull it off that piece too.
What am I missing?
Jeff Adrien
Marqus Blakely
Chase Budinger
Marcus Cousin
Goran Dragic
Jonny Flynn
Jordan Hill
Courtney Lee
Jeremy Lin
Kyle Lowry
Kevin Martin
Marcus Morris
Donatas Motiejunas
Chandler Parsons
Patrick Patterson
Luis Scola
Greg Smith
Hasheem Thabeet
Terrence Williams
That’s a decent core of young players, but who knows how they are going to turn out? Not much of anyone else there who’s done anything in the league, outside of Martin and Scola.
Plus, they are coached by Kevin Freakin’ McHale.
I still don’t see it.
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by otis29 on Dec 21, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I thought Lowry was phenomenal last year.
Daly should help anchor that Defense. I’m a big fan of Budinger and Lee. Dragic is great in a back-up role. Hill might turn the corner this year.
If they were able to package up a bunch of those future assets, say Flynn, Williams, Patterson, Morris, Thabeet etc and turn that into 1-2 starting level or better player(Iguodala comes to mind). I think they’re well on their way as a franchise.
Yeah, they'd need to flip some guys
Personally, I think Flynn and Thabeet both have negative trade value, so not sure what they are going to get you.
They certainly have some youth. But one piece away from making a deep playoff run??? That piece had better be Dwight Howard.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Agree with Otis here
I mean let’s say everything breaks right.
They manage to trade Patterson, Lee & 1st round pick into Iggy (which I highly doubt would happen). And Mchale is every bit as good a coach as Adelman, so they don’t lose 1 step.
Their team is now:
Lowry
Martin
Iggy
Scola
Dalembert
With Hill, Dragic, Flynn and Budinger on the bench. I’m not sure where you go with that team. Maybe a 2nd round playoff exit. Then what? There’s no superstar. No talented youth to trade for high level player. No cap space. And next year four of your best players are 30-33, so it’s not like you have a large window anyway.
I'd give them a second round pick for thabeet yesterday
Also, all the hassan whiteside jokes are about to come true… Our three man front court rotation as constituted is defensively unwatchable.
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 4:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
And Thabeet is going to help that?
Hasheem Thabeet is a coupon version of Hassan Whiteside… just taller, slower, and less coordination if you can believe that. Do not want. He is Shaun Bradley 2.0.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 21, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the thing
They have the best trade assets in the league. But the only time they’re even mentioned in a trade they’re getting rid of their only proven players for Pau Gasol. Flipping talent isn’t that easy.
Read: Toblerone Jones
Agree. I have been anti-Rockets for awhile now.
They are the 2005-2007 Kings with fewer injuries. Make a run at 35-45 wins and a first round exit. Not very promising. No potential superstars. No pieces to trade for one. Even getting Gasol wouldn’t have really changed their outlook.
I think Morey is incredibly smart and evaluates talent pretty well, but his ego may be interfering with his abilities here. He needs to blow things up and rebuild. Not sure what he thinks he is or he can accomplish right now.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 21, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yikes. He should realize it's no about tanking though.
I feel like the word tanking gets used way too often considering it’s pejorative connotation.
Tanking to me is having legitimate talent you fail to play and utilizing your players inefficiently in an intentional effort to lose.
However, accepting your core cannot win a ring, trading older veterans for young players & picks, and spending your games developing young talent is intelligent $ strategic rebuilding.
Stubbornly refusing to accept your core is improperly constructed is foolish and does a disservice to your fans.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 21, 2011 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Kevin McHale is a good coach
Terrible, horrible GM. He’s no Adleman, but good coach he is.
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Good coach? Hard to tell with 94 games under his belt (39-55)
But to be fair, that goes both ways, so I can’t make an absolute statement about him either.
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No man he totally is
You can definitely take my word on this. I’m like never wrong about this kind of stuff.
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McHale is actually a pretty good coach
Better in any case than our guy.
"His D was a difference at the end."
You're basing this on McHale's 39-55 pro coaching record?
Okie dokie.
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I think McHale is the poster child of why you don't just up and fire Westphal
If that’s the kind of guy that you’re bringing in as a replacement, you have not improved anything. Maybe you have not made things worse, either. But he’s definitely not the guy that you bring in to take a team to the next level.
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At this point lateral moves are pointless.
It’s all about making forward moves. And firing Westphal is a lateral move. I think keeping him around could be a forward move depending on how this season turns out.
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I'm honestly surprised he won 39 games with that roster.
Al Jefferson as your first option?
by VenomySnicket on Dec 21, 2011 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Actually he won 20 with that roster (20-43)
Almost half his wins came taking over for Flip Saunders with Garnett still on the roster.
Still not impressed.
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Actually a pretty good record
Especially when you consider what those teams did before he took over.
He went 19-12 in 2004-05 with a team that had been 25-26 under Saunders.
Then he went 20-43 with a team that had started 4-15 under Randy Wittman and whose three top scorers were Al Jefferson, Randy Foye and Ryan Gomes. Ouch.
"His D was a difference at the end."
It's also worth noting
Both those teams got worst after he left the coaching box.
The 2005-06 team went from 44-38 (19-12 under McHale) to 33-49.
The 2009-10 team went from 24-58 (20-43 under McHale) to 15-67 the next season.
So it looks like his teams were at least 10 wins a season better than what he replaced and what followed.
"His D was a difference at the end."
If it is your opinion that Kevin McHale is a good coach,
you are entitled to that opinion. I think that I will choose not to share in it. Should he manage to improve the Rockets team after Adelman, I might be willing to take another look at it.
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I agree
Small sample size, and making a crappy team a less crappy team doesn’t quite qualify him for the Hall of Fame. But he seems to have done better than the coaches behind him and after him in two situations. The Rockets will be another good test of his abilities. To be continued.
"His D was a difference at the end."
Do they really have a guy names Marcus Cousin?
That makes two names ‘swallowable’ in this current NBA. Marc Gasol and Marcus Cousin.
Marc Gasol can be swallowed by LaMarcus Aldridge (phonetically speaking) and Marcus Cousin – DeMarcus Cousins…. should be apparent.
Any other weird phonetic assimilation?
by VenomySnicket on Dec 21, 2011 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
Does God ShammGod count as a self swallowable name?
Softball question: Who has the shortest name in the NBA?
by betweentheeyes on Dec 21, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Nene
One name, four letters. Easy. (He is no longer legally Nene Hilario)
by betweentheeyes on Dec 22, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
How are they going to win a ring?
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Dec 21, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
So the Rockets with Yao can't win,
but now that they have Sammy they have a chance for a ring?
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt if the Kings would put out a flat-out
Untrue statement about who backed out… Especially when they NEVER say anything. Either the agent went back on something they verbally agreed to and tried to put the squeeze on.. Or sammy “rolled” into town weighing three bills
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 4:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Why does everyone think he is mad at the organization?
Have I missed something cuz I don’t see any reason for it
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 21, 2011 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Amen!! Those damn Maloofs went and Sign Marcus Thornton
Made offer to Chuck Hayes, Dalembert and AK-47, then when one of those jackasses actually accepted their offer they went and gave him a heart condition!! Those damn Maloofs!!!
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 21, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Yeah...because I'm the only one who would rather have a billionaire owner
versus some cheap ass has-beens.
Be a smarty pants. I don’t care.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Jamal Crawford, Thornton, AK-47, Dalembert, Chuck Hayes
CHEAP ASSES!!! They should have went after NeNe, Tyson Chandler AND Marc Gasol!
Burkle would have done it!
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 21, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Done with you.
Make a statement that advances the discussion and maybe I’ll reconsider.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Ok, let me break it down for you a little more...
The Maloofs Kings offered contracts to the follow players:
Samuel Dalembert
Jamal Crawford
Marcus Thornton
Andie Kirilenko
Chuck Hayes
2, accepted our offer(1 ended up getting a heart condition and can’t play for us anymore)
2, accepted offers LESS than what we offered
1, no one knows what he is doing
What exactly did you want the Maloofs to do? Go after NeNe, Gasol and tie up money in offers? when you and I both know they were never coming to Sacramento
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 21, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Going after Nene and Gasol would have been nice.
If you already have your mind that someone is not going to come to Sacramento then, they sure won’t if you don’t even try.
It’s like a hot girl you see across the room. If you assume that she is not going to go out with you, you don’t make the attempt. You never know, she just might like you if you make the attempt. Introduce yourself.
If this team wants to be a contender, then they need to begin to act that way. The Clippers have made some bold moves.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
You have to be lame to think that Petrie didn't at the least give the girl a little wink to see whats up.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Are you assuming?
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
There has been no proof otherwise.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Hard to prove a negative.
In absence of any tangible evidence that something is happening, I think it is doubtful.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Well some fans appear to think
Burkle would been able to heal Hayes with his finger
Meanwhile, there’s only one finger fans have ever gotten from the Maloofs
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 21, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 11 recs
Adrienne Maloof looks good for her age.
I’m assuming the top one is before make up, the bottom one after.
This.
by elfboy_ on Dec 21, 2011 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Welp, that's what we get for our front office dicking around all off-season
What a complete and utter disappointment this year has so far been.
by folsomfella on Dec 21, 2011 2:35 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Who do you think they should of went after?
I was pretty happy with the Hayes signing. They’ve been going after AK47. I’m not really sure who else they should have got.
I wish we would just try
The Warriors offered Jordan a huge contract knowing it would probably get matched. I wish they offered Gasol a max contract. That way Kings fans would have hope for a day or 2 and the Kings would look like they are attempting a big splash.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm glad they didn't offer Jordan a big contract!
If Geoff did then I would’ve jumped on the “he’s lost it” bandwagon. But I get the point you are trying to make. Yes it would’ve been nice to see them put an offer on Gasol. But for all we know his agent might have told Geoff not to even bother.
I'm kind of with you, but I don't think we had $ after Hayes, Thornton & rooks
to both offer Gasol a max contract and offer AK47 a lucrative deal. So basically Petrie had the option of making an offer that was likely to be matched for appeareces sake or pursuing a more realistic free agent would could have helped this team.
Maybe it would have been better to swing for the fences with Gasol, but I don’t think it’s bad management or an inactivity to push for a more realistic option as well.
Yeah, I guess your right
At the time Hayes was pretty much a sure thing, where Gasol was a long shot. It was probably a good decision, but after the events of the past few days, I wish we went for the home run and at least felt good about our FA activity this year. We would have ended up with no bigs either way. It’s just been so long since I’ve heard of the Kings going after a star/big name player. On the bright side, we did keep Thorton and are attempting to get AK-47.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, wish we had more, but think we made good signings
without forcing a bad contract we would regret.
We’re still a very young team, so the flexibility will be helpful going forward. And if our team actually improved and looks like a near playoff team, we may find more veterans that want to accept our offers.
How do you know they didn't talk to his agent about that?
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Dicking around all offseason?
Like All 12 days there’s been of it?
Those 12 days during which we signed four free agents, put offers down on at least three more, and lost a guy to a potentially-career ending heart condition?
by unfair weather on Dec 21, 2011 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
No kidding
They have been working hard, whether it was successful or not, at least we have been in play with several capable players.
So, Travis Outlaw, eh?
It’s OK…
We’re rebuilding!
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by section214 on Dec 21, 2011 2:37 PM PST reply actions 17 recs
So, Travis Outlaw, eh?
It’s OK…
We’re rebuilding!
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 21, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 22 recs
Now, that's outside of the box posting.
BRAVO
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
You did
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by section214 on Dec 21, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Joel Pryzbilla
Is still available. He is pretty solid backup, not sure he can play starter minutes anymore though.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
A guy like that might have to do
DMC averaged 5.2 personal fouls per 36 minutes last season. JT averaged 4.4. You’ve always got the possibility of injuries, or that DeMarcus ends up getting a few nights off for bad behavior. So you have to add somebody.
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Pryzbilla can't stay in one piece either
Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!
I'm pro- Przybilla
but I don’t get to vote
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 21, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Godzilla's arms are too short.
Plus he has weight issues, have you seen his pics lately? Definitely not in shape.
This.
Is he recovered?
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
I believe he is fully recovered
until his next injury
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Ziller
Kings have been left at the altar by Jamal Crawford and Samuel Dalembert this offseason. Process that for a minute.
by Dub_TC on Dec 21, 2011 2:43 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Is that a bad thing?
Why spend $7MM a year on guys who’ll make hardly any difference and keep you from figuring out if ANY of the 10 young guys that you have are worth a damn? Just play the guys you have and figure out what you need MOST … then try to get it.
I don’t know what the team has in JJ, Jimmer, Salmons, Outlaw, IT, Honeycutt … Reke, DMC. Donte? Does anybody?
I personally don't mind this
People forget that J.J. Hickson has been a starting NBA power forward before and this allows Cousins to move back to his natural position of center. Yeah it would’ve been nice to have Hayes or Dalembert, but I still like our frontcourt even without them. I do think the Kings will add another big at some point because I don’t see Whiteside as a rotational player just yet. I think everybody is quick to push the panic button just because the Kings haven’t lured a big name free agent to Sacramento. Well sorry to burst your bubble but that probably wasn’t going to happen anyway. Let’s see this team in action before we jump to conclusions…
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by Cincy Kings Fan on Dec 21, 2011 2:47 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Hickson
I’m fine with starting Hickson. He’s bigger, he seems like he’s dedicated thought to maturing, and he’s obviously kept himself in shape. However, we don’t need a temp back-up big “at some point.” We need one yesterday. There’s no way we can run with JT, Whiteside, and Donte as backup bigs.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Over 9000?
Still, as long as they foul less than Jimmer turns it over, we may be in good shape.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
"I got this, Sacramento"
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 21, 2011 2:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sign me up.
I’d give up anything on our roster outside our core 4(Tyreke, Cousins, Thornton and Jimmer) to land him.
by Smills9133 on Dec 21, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who's a better defender, this guy or Hayes?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Hayes is probably a little better defender
But methinks Varejao is a better shot blocker and offensive player.
Very similar players though, just that Varejao is a bit taller.
I really think he’d be a near-perfect fit. Both are excellent passers for their size.
NOOOO
Not with three years $25 million left on his contract. He’s a very good defensive player but he has career averages of 7pts and 7rbs. That contract is too much for that. Yes I know Kwame Brown is getting $7 million but that’s on the Warriors.
by StevenG on Dec 21, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You might want to go to a comp analysis on Centers in the NBA
That’s not a bad price at all.
by Smills9133 on Dec 21, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Varejao is a much better team defender - he covers a lot of the court
Hayes is probably better man to man.
Gonna have to sacrifice something good to get him
And outside of the guys I’d consider untouchable (the 4 smills mentioned + JJ) (untouchable for that level of talent, I’d bet the moon for Howard), I don’t think we’d offer Cleaveland anything worth it. The only chance the Kings have of getting him is if his value plummets, and if it does then something is up that would put going after him into question.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
They might want to get out from the multi-year deal he has...?
If we sweetened with a prospect and/or reduce the protection on our pick we owe them, that might do it for them.
We may have to take back some salary to get this done
The only significant salary on the Cavs? Antawn Jamison (15 mil, 1 year).
JT and Salmons for ’Twan and Andy works according to the Trade Machine… Not sure I like it though.
Sammy
just toying with us? From Wojo
Kings made Dalembert his two best offers of guaranteed money over past 2 weeks, sources say, but he clearly wasn’t inclined to return there.
We gave him the bird at the beginning of FA.
He just returned the favor by sticking a knife in our neck.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Karma
He knew we didn’t want him and only went after him because we lost Chuck.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
We could make some serious girlfriend analogies out of this one
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
It's like a GF going back to her ex because she got dumped by her new one 2 months after she left him for the "new guy."
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
by DTG13 on Dec 21, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
A question that's worth asking
You think Sammy even wanted to play another year with Westphal?
Read: Toblerone Jones
I couldn't really blame him if he didn't
I’m not sure anyone’s minutes got more jacked around than Sammy’s last season. And that’s saying something.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
I think that played a bit part of it
but I am not sad that Sammy signed with Houston either. An unhappy or feuding Sammy would not be good for this team.
Omri and Donte were jerked around even more.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 21, 2011 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
But neither of those guys has had success in their career like Sammy
Donté’s not very good and Omri was an NBA infant. Big difference.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Chicken & Egg. We don't know if there was an initial offer to Sammy before Hayes.
To be honest, I think Sammy was expecting an even bigger offer at the start of free agency. The fact that it’s taken so long for him to sign, even after Gasol/Chandler/Nene were off the market tells me he wasn’t immediately happy with any offers. He probably used the Kings latest offers as leverage to milk the Rockets for just a bit more.
I suspect this as well.
He “VanGundy’ed” us.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
I thought the Heat would find a way to land him.
Could’ve been a real nice fit.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Sign and Trade
I would take Anthony for our defensive center, but not sure how I would feel helping Lebron win a ring.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:32 PM PST up reply actions
SMH
I am really missing Chucky right now
FRANKS AND BEANS FRANKS AND BEANS
by lemmetakeutodamovies on Dec 21, 2011 2:51 PM PST reply actions
Well we can always go the trade route
It seems like we need a shot blocking type PF. What about someone like Tyrus Thomas? I always like that guy, super athletic.
I think this might be where we are heading.
Not a blockbuster trade but Donte and an first rounder for a decent power forward? That’s my guess.
Ba-da
Unfortunately, we don't have a first rounder to give up
Unless we pick it up in an ancillary deal.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
So we have pretty much the same roster as last season
Minus one Samuel Dalembert
Plus one Jimmer Fredette
Plus one Travis Outlaw (coming off one of the worst seasons ever for a guy who played more than 2000 minutes)
Hmmm…..
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
But we finally have a completely healthy
and completely mediocre Francisco Garcia. So, we’re cool.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
Dalembert for Jimmer?!?!
That’s at least 40+ wins
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 21, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
And in all seriousness
We also get a healthier Tyreke and a full season of Marcus Thornton.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Ummm, delicious.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 21, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Can't be the same, we have Jimmer
Thats like saying that the Clippers are the same as last year. The only difference is Jimmer is way better than anyone the Clippers have.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
HAHA!
What? you can’t be serious….
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Well, he did leave out:
“have ever and will ever have”. Otherwise it’s solid.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
He tried to be serious
But then he just laughed at how inferior the Clippers are now compared to us with Jimmer
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 21, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Shit
Thanks Shizzo. I watched the entire first pre-season game, and very little of the second, so I totally forgot about him. :)
Oh, and John Salmons. But I plead guilty to actively attempting to forget him.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Sorry, not on the bandwagon yet
He’s roster filler at this point IMO.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
And to be fair, you could count Thronton
We had him for a partial season last year, but we also played fantastic with him in the lineup. It’s hard to put too much credence in an end of the season run, but he’s definitely a big X-factor here.
Yes I know
50+ times out of 66….. There will be nights that the balls rebounds bounce our way… but most nights we will be killed
Well, the 3 guard lineup hurts our rebounding some
Salmons will help a bit as he is a pretty good rebounder for a SF. Outlaw, Greene, Cisco, Honeycutt are not good rebounders. That will hurt the most.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
And Tyreke's a good rebounder for either backcourt spot.
"Where hope goes to die"
the first team doesn't play the whole game....
we are not very deep as a team when it comes to rebounding anymore… Look at the first preseason game when Cousins and Hayes did not play, and it was left up to JJ and JT. We were destroyed.
So is Marcus. Tough to ask your SG to grab more than 4 reb a game
Unless you’re talking Bonzi
by VenomySnicket on Dec 21, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Not to mention
We still have the 12th RBer per minute last year (Hickson) the 13th (Cousins) and the 35th (JT),
Considering there are 60 starting bigs in the league and we have 3 of the top 35 I would not classify us as a poor rebounding team (unless we put Donte in (I kid Donte, luv ya!)).i
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I hear ya knocking
The RB/minute stats are nice… but are you familiar with how many fouls JT and Cousins rack up a game? If they were playing 36min+ I wouldnt be sacred, but sometimes they can’t stay on the floor…. And if they arent able to be out there then who is gonna fill the void??
TOM GREAT STUFF
Geoff Petrie is more likely to quote Tolstoy than show his hand on a free agent signing or trade
My mannerism a prism/ And it should shine
Light it if you would/ Be so kind, right now'd
Be A' Good Time
by DaRubiesSLOKingsA's on Dec 21, 2011 2:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
We gotta do a trade. Absorb some major salary with a nice player.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 21, 2011 2:59 PM PST reply actions
This would be ideal.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
How many years left on that ridiculous deal?
Plus, we hardly need more wing scoring.
Read: Toblerone Jones
mmmmm you may be on to something
Tyreke is his dude
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Tell Dwight to wait for free agency
Then we can sign him and keep the team we have. Championship would soon follow
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
forgive me
if I’m thinking too positive … but I like JJ Hickson. I think he’ll be fine as the starting PF. I think we just need a backup PF/C now for when Cousins and JT get in foul trouble, and we’ll be fine.
Agreed.
I dont know why people are freaking out about our 4th big man…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Very much agreed
And this is a good opportunity to save money for next summer while running with the stacked talent roster that we already have.
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
Well, Dalembert and Hayes were likely to start if either were here
So it’s more like our second big man.
We don't need a 4th big man
we need a 1st big man.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
We are one DMC injury away from
being the worst team in the NBA
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 21, 2011 3:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yup.
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I knew how to post pictures
I was thinking the same thing
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Hit the little tree in the post. Include the direct link to a picture. How do you get the direct link to a picture? Right click on the picture and click “copy image url”
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
by iashwash on Dec 21, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Would recommend using preview button before you post though
Pictures can be a bit dicey sometimes.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 21, 2011 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You might get this if you don't preview.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
by Slam_Dunk on Dec 21, 2011 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Was
Sammy really this good? Now that he’s gone … we suck again and are “one DMC injury away” from being the worst team?
Is he really that important?
For a team desperate for a defensive anchor
Yes, he is that important. He is always replacable if we find another defensive center (Hayes).
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's the combination of Hayes and Dalembert not being on the roster that really hurts
I’m definitely not sold on DMC’s ability to anchor the team at either end of the court, JT’s a known quantity, and JJ’s a bit of a question mark defensively IMO.
Not having either of these guys available is disappointing. I think they need at least one more decent frontcourt player.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Agreed
We need a good defensive big, but we have to be realistic. Sammy was obviously not a game changer for us, as capable as he was and is.
A kwame brown is exactly what we need actually
Someone get on the phone with the owner of the tree where the defensive minded 7 footers grow
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We are only three mediocre players away...
From reaching the MINIMUM SALARY LEVEL!
by Sincere P. on Dec 21, 2011 3:07 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
December 21st and we have not won our first regular season game yet. On the other hand, we’re undefeated. So conflicted…
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Dec 21, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Undefeated
Plus we have Jimmer and a full season of Thorton. Glass is half full over here.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
This is forgotten in every post so far
We’ve been Jimmered
Noone wants to practice against him on a Daily basis.
I miss
The good ol’ days of the lockout
by IamPurple on Dec 21, 2011 3:09 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
That would be ridiculously awesome
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Dec 21, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
Good defender at the wing though
Move some of the filler we have at the three for him.
Read: Toblerone Jones
Trade Thompson for Iggy straight up
Then deal:
Salmons for Mo Williams straight up.
Garcia and Greene for Okafor.
New roster:
C: Okafor, Whitside
PF: Cousins, Hickson, Outlaw
SF: Iggy, Honeycutt
SG: Evans, Thornton
PG: Mo, Jimmer, Isaiah
I vote Smills the new GM
Get those trades done. Not a huge fan of Mo, but it dumps the fish so we come out on top.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
It's so easy an Smills can do it!
Now he just needs to drug the opposing GMs.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Then Trade Iggy for Lebron Straight up
Mo Willians for Chris Paul
Okar for Dwight Howard
New Roster
C: Dwight, ya… we still got Whitside, all is ok
PF: Cousins, Hickson
SF: Lebron, Outlaw, Honeycutt
SG: Evans, Thornton
PG: Chris Paul, Jimmer, Isaiah
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 21, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Brilliant.
After that, we can amnesty the Maloofs.
Wait for it… Wait for it…
1 Trade for Cp3 and D12
2 amnesty Maloofs
3 ???
4 Profit!
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
by DTG13 on Dec 21, 2011 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You do realize any trade for Okafor has to go through the league office?
Which means David Bully Stern will ask for Thornton, Tyreke and a #1 for Okafor, or something similarly outrageous.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
I would trade a package that involved Salmons and a non-core player
But I’m not sure why the 76ers would want him back.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Our hope for a better future does NOT depend on any signing the Kings may still be making
It is the improvement of our current roster. If Tyreke, Jimmer, JJ, and Cousins (among others) all have great seasons then we will be just fine. If they take steps back in their development then so will the team.
Ba-da
you're right
Dally makes no difference. If the key to success or failure is having a solid D backup at the 5 in case DMC gets hurt, then the team is garbage. Let the young guys play and see which ones are keepers.
While I may not be a Kings fan
I don’t see what is wrong with being under the salary cap. The players get paid extra, and equally, to meet that level. It may look bad, but compared to players that could have signed, such as Mikki Moore did for you guys, but throwing money to feed the flames of mediocrity looks even worse.
"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"- Qui-Gon Jinn
personally
I’m not worried about the kings reaching the salary floor… im worried about the kings reaching the glass.. we are going to get killed on the boards, and have no enforcer in the middle
Can we amnesty THEM?
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Dec 21, 2011 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Not even 2%?
Oh, that’s right, 2% of 0 is still 0…
Purveyor of Bull Plop
In all fairness to the Maloofs
apparently, they offered the most money to Dalembert, Crawford and AK. In all fairness to us fans, the Maloofs still suck.
#Frustrating
"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
Yea. People need to have understanding, and not blame the Maloofs for this like they usually deserve.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
So how much space do we have now to meet the min.?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I dont know where all of this stuff about Kings not going for anyone in FA is coming from...
They were linked in showed interest in Chandler, maybe even handing out an offer.
Also Crawford, Hayes, AK47, Dalembert, among others.
Talks with a sign and trade with Dallas before they were gifted Odom from LA.
We dont NEED another big to fill out our roster, just someone with size to plug the lane and rebound. We have athletic wings that can play defense and block shots coming in for double teams (Donte, Cisco, Honeycutt, Salmons, Tyreke)
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Simple math
Last year’s roster minus Dalembert/Udrih/Casspi, plus Hickson/Outlaw/Salmons = not the off-season that we’ve been waiting for. This team was 24-58 last year, and unless the in-house talent makes a quantum leap forward, we are looking at another season of earnestly reviewing draft prospects.
Try or not try, this off-season – the off-season where the Kings were going to hold the cards and the flexibility – has turned into the off-season of not.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
The fact that we locked up Marcus Thornton HAS to be something positive though.
That guy can straight ball and will likely end up looking like a bargain of a contract towards the end of it, IMO.
But ...
You replaced Udrih (hybrid 1/2 with no ceiling) with Jimmer/Thornton, who both could be lights out
And you replaced a middling 3 in Casspi with a 4 in Hickson who can start …
And Salmons at the 3 is an improvement over Donte/Casspi and at least has earned the right to start in the NBA at either 2/3
So arguably you’ve improved at 3 positions … And still have the $$ and trade pieces to try to improve more. Glass is half full, but certainly not overflowing.
by Watty4ever on Dec 21, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, we had thornton last year
So the real replacements
Jimmer for beno
Salmons for casspi
Hickson for dalembert
Marginal upgrades overall with an eye to the future with hickson. Really like the kid. But the main problem is that we got weaker on the interior defense. Hayes would have been perfect.
Id kick the tires on a joel przybilla.
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 4:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe the Kings just need to run with the offense this year. Like the Suns and Warriors of old...
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
if we tried to run and gun like the suns from a couple years ago
Tyreke would average 10 turnovers a game
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 4:52 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Well
That’s only 6 or 7 more than usual so it might equal out with a high paced offense. ;)
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
This expresses the current situation in a nutshell.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Do not want.
I want playoffs. Damn it.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Dec 21, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
PLAYOFFS!!!!
Plus Sullinger with Cousins could have too much size, not enough athleticism.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM PST up reply actions
Harrison Barnes or Perry Jones III
If we’re a lottery team again, these are the 2 best options, if the NBA will ALLOW us to be a top 2 pick.
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
I Hate it
When I hear the fat lady singing…
by nohops on Dec 21, 2011 3:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
What, is Adrienne doing the National Anthem at the home opener?
SJSU. Proud Mediocrity Since 1857.
by SierraSpartan on Dec 22, 2011 7:45 AM PST up reply actions
I say we put something together for gortat
If phoenix is looking to blow things up with nash, we can help facilitate that. Big if though.
by Deleran on Dec 21, 2011 3:44 PM PST via mobile reply actions
The Jazz have a lot of extra front court depth.
We could trade for anyone but Okur. Never liked his game.
by BurningFeathers on Dec 21, 2011 4:01 PM PST reply actions
If he's healthy
He might be the best fit. Solid low-post defender(honestly he really has been), and a stretch big man on a 1 year deal…
Okur
Is a solid low post defender? 0.3 stl and 0.3 blks per game last year?
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
We saved $3M per, signing Outlaw and recinding Hayes contract
Up AK47’s contract offer to include most of the savings, and see if we can get at least one starter from our $20M+ cap space. If we offered him $8M and he wants $9M, now we can afford $10M. He might not be worth it, but what else are we going to do with all that money.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Dec 21, 2011 4:01 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Beer
Makes the Kings attractive to me right now.
I tried buying the amount I need,
but they don’t sell it by the barrel anymore.
This.
by elfboy_ on Dec 21, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
...
SJSU. Proud Mediocrity Since 1857.
by SierraSpartan on Dec 22, 2011 7:46 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think this is as big a deal as everyone else I guess.
Hopefully this frees up more time for JT and Hickson who are both going to be RFA this year.
Also, as has been previously said, it is no big deal, we have Whiteside.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
more time if they can actually stay on the floor
the rate our young players foul makes the learning curve kinda tough…
i get that...
but realistically, unless it is a clear upgrade who will be a part of the future of the team, whoever we sign should be our 4th big man.
obviously depth is important.
but i dont think the sky is falling.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
it is when you
think that we had $100000 million to spend this off season and we ended up with ONLY Travis Outlaw!!
not exactly...
You would have preferred 40 million for deandre jordan?
Also, anyone who was any good was going to get the same money from anywhere.
Or they were restricted and their teams could match.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
but that is what was out there.
and it still wasnt enough to get the clippers to say no.
there was no one out there that was a realistic target for the kings.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
just because there
were limited options out there doesnt mean they get a passing grade… get creative damnit!
id rather they sit on the money than completely waste it.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
DeAndre Jordan looked like a beast against the Lakers
He and CP3 are going to team up on 2 to 3 lobs per game. I am not so sure his contract might end up being earned.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Allright no asinine trade thread so here we go
Hornets get: Verejao , Greene from Kings
Cleveland gets: Hickson, Garcia and Salmons
Sac gets: Jamison, Okafor and Patrick Ewing Jr
Cavs get under cap, Hornets are are only 5 million over,Kings get bigs we need
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
No thanks
I would have liked it a lot, except trading away JJ Hickson should be absolutely out of the question. He was an absolute steal and is perfect for us. Trade JT instead. I doubt Dan Gilbert passes on this since he was dumb enough to give up Hickson for Casspi.
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
Lets just kill that trade idea until
Hickson’s name is replaced with Jason Thompson’s
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
I'm exciting about the team this year BUT
I am frustrated that the maloofs told us they were staying and promised to spend money. Here we are less than a week from the start of the season and we still have money to spend to make the minimum payroll. I never expected them to go into the luxury tax but not making minimum really leaves a sour taste in my mouth. Personally I don’t want to see any trades with any of our young players, but are the additions of Hickson, Salmons, and outlaw really giving us enough veteran experience where we need it?
Trades, trades, & more trades
We suck, we’re young, our team is in limbo as far as what city we’ll be in next year, our coach is questionable, our GM is on the boarder of being questionable, our organization is questionable, our owners are definitely questionable.
This is our reality right now. So GP needs to stop fooling around with free agents & try to make a trade. Amnesty is nice but you still have to pay the player. So I’m sure there are some guys that can be had on the cheap just as long as we can absorb they’re salary.
Make a trade, win enough games to make a playoff run, & players will come. They have to see some potential in our team
by Allbenji on Dec 21, 2011 4:41 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Kings better not trade...
Evans, Cousins, Hickson, Thornton, Jimmer, Outlaw, Thomas. Period.
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
LMAO!!
Good one bro!! Anyone who reads the scriptures should find your comment hilarious!! I happen to think Outlaw is a great role player for the Kings, especially being part of the bench unit. Getting him for 4years/$12mil is a steal.
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
Manna from Heaven
is a joke from the Timberwolves last season.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
Is Travis Outlaw your new Jamal Crawford
UNTRADEABLE!!!!
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 4:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Solid Role Player
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
Outlaw is very tradable...after July 1st.
He’s going to work out nicely on this team.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
I think so too
Which is why I don’t want to see him traded away. A role player of his talent at that price?? STEAL!! You better believe better teams want him. We’re lucky
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
Cant trade him until July 1st anyways...Amnesty rules.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Thank God Almighty!!
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
Fantastic!!
"Clowns hate how I lock this down, but if they think I'm obnoxious now, wait til I pop Cristal." - Copywrite
What a bunch of cry babies!
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
by Bambooozled on Dec 21, 2011 4:47 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 21, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Darko Milicic
First game playing in Adleman’s high post system…19 minutes…0 ast.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
"We think that Darko can actually get to sort of a near All-Star if not All-Star level." - Kahn
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence" - CWebb
by matthew33 on Dec 21, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
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"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions
It's Xmas and the Kings get switches and coal in their FA stocking
I have to say, there is an awful lot of bitching and moaning going on because the Kings did not sign the Haitian Sensation, Samuel Dalembert.
The Kings need more talent and more frontcourt depth that they clearly are missing. Given the players available, the Kings scored well with Chuck Hayes as a FA catch for little money and a possible starter/glue guy.. I hope Chuck heals and can live a long and healthy life but he is not destined to be in the NBA anytime soon, it seems. Is this the end of the world – not likely. Will the Kings suffer another tough year – they would have with Chuck Hayes, they will without him.
The question I pose to you all is this: Would you rather the Kings sign a mediocre player – not a star or near star – let’s say an upcoming hopeful – through FA or trade now so that they can win another 6-8 games and mortagage some of the future or just wait it out?
Example 1: Kris Humphries: 4 yrs/$38M and JJ Hickson?
Example 2: Patrick Patterson or Cole Aldrich for I Thomas and Jason Thompson?
Example 3: Andris Biedrins for JJ Hickson and Marcus Thornton?
You can see the dilemma here: What pieces of the Kings are untradeable: I would guess Evans, Cousins, Thornton, Fredette. Looking at the left overs – what do the Kings have to trade with? It gives one pause…
by betweentheeyes on Dec 21, 2011 4:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
No way. They have high hopes he'll come back strong as shot blocker this year
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Your example 3 made me laugh until I threw up
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 5:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Biedrins is playing hot potato
He is literally scared to have the ball in his hands so he won’t have to shoot a free throw. Its kind of sad actually until you remember how much money he makes.
by lchristmas on Dec 21, 2011 5:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I am all for letting JJ start and see what happens
Man he made David Lee look all world last night though
Yeah! David Lee, since when did he become such a great shooter?
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Whiteside?
Um I apologize for being out of the loop but what happened with Whiteside? He is still on the team right? Does he even fit into the picture now?
by idjpg85 on Dec 21, 2011 5:20 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Yup, still with the team
And generally considered an early favorite for this year’s MVP trophy.
by unfair weather on Dec 21, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
MVP already?
Season hasn’t even started and the Most Valueless Player has been crowned? Was just curious; thought he maybe went to D-League and I missed it.
by idjpg85 on Dec 21, 2011 5:42 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Good luck to Sam Dalembert
I think everybody wins this time. Sammy will get to play some offense in Houston (and may have continued to pout about getting touches here), and we on the other hand don’t end up paying 7 or 8 million for a guy who I think we all like, but also know is not more than a mid-level player. I knew Sam would get overpaid this year. Patience all. I think it is GOOD that we are going to be looking for a 4th or 5th big man option now. Develop, develop, develop.
But too bad Reggie Evans is off the board.
I am with you. Sammy is getting the last laugh and that is fine with me.
Sammy was okay last season, but I wasn’t sorry to see him go. It is just unfortunate that we found ourselves in such a desperate situation to try to get him back. We have some good pieces so hopefully, our team will pull themselves together.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
I share your sentiment
once I replace ‘luck’ with ‘riddens’
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
How about we trade JT for Okafor straight up?
Then sign Leon Powe
Hold up, I just saw his contract
JT & Garcia for Okafor
Dell Demp's has gotta be kicking himself now.
He definitely wouldn’t been so hasty to pull the trigger on his other trade, had he known we had those types of assets to dangle in front of him.
by unfair weather on Dec 21, 2011 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
This interior d is going to be laughable
I mean, it was pretty laughable last year, but this is going to take to new heights (lows?). I’m not sure what they can do from here.
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
Its going to be bad.
JJ Hickson can’t guard anyone one-on-one. Decent help defender.
Cousins is pretty good one-on-one, provides no help defense, and is so foul prone.
JT fouls indiscriminately and bails out the opponent with silliness. Kwame Brown was fouled last night before he even had a chance to hurl a missile off the rim. He provides no help defense and no shot blocking even when mighty mites release lay-ups right in his face.
So what does Wesphal do???
He can double the post, but this can be only be done in spots. It is not a full time strategy.
He can play zone defense. I think we will see a lot of this.
He can hope to outscore teams 115-112. This seems like most viable alternative, unless we can land AK47, which seems about as likely as Geoff inviting Sammy over for X-Mas dinner.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
I still can't figure out why we didn't trade for Lamar Odom.
Dallas got him for a highly protected second round pick?!? We couldn’t give them an unprotected second round pick?
He does not have a no trade clause and the Kings wouldn't be giving up enough to worry about losing him in free agency.
So, I still don’t see the problem.
Odom has a hard enough time playing for a championship caliber team
There’s no way that lazy pile of dog dong is going to play for us
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 21, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7377792/report-kenyon-martin-severs-ties-xinjiang-flying-tigers
Kenyon Martin getting out of Chinese contract earlier than expected…
Can't be signed until the end of the Chinese basketball season
So March
by LightningStrike5 on Dec 21, 2011 6:11 PM PST up reply actions
You'd be surprised at the flexibility of the Chinese contract system
When there’s enough money available…
時國王驕奢，不遵典憲。 《後漢書》
I looked this up a while back...
And the CBA made a deal with FIBA this year that any player leaving the CBA could not sign a contract in any other league under FIBA’s umbrella (including the NBA) during the CBA season. Additionally, any CBA team letting a player go to sign in the NBA or another league would forfeit all games that the player in question played with them.
In other words, he can’t sign in the NBA. Glad he left though, his team was billed as the Yankees of the CBA and has turned out to be a mess. They lost Quincy Douby in preseason to injury and just fired their American coach after “only” going 7-4 to start the season, in his first year!
By the way, sj, I live in Suzhou.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Dec 22, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
Thank god.
I loved Dally in Philly, but also remember all of the mumblings of him being a bit of a malcontent at times. I thought he played fine last year, but he was obviously not a game changer.
This is a crucial year for us, as we have to start making decisions on our young players. Juggling playing time and defining roles is not a strength of PW, and no one will convince me otherwise. Our front court was not productive nor happy last year until Landry was traded and roles were defined. I think leaving a majority of the minutes to DMC, JJ, and JT really is best for the club long term. DMC needs to learn how to be effective offensively and defensively at the pivot, as I think it will be his position long term in this league. JT can play either 4/5 adequately, and with his contract situation, we need him to get a solid amount of minutes to decide if he is going to play a role in our future. With JJ flashing moments of brilliance and some quite less than brilliant, we need to see if he is someone we want to resign at the end of the year. Spending minutes those three young players could be using to advance their skill set to a player who is closer to the role playing part of his career rather than the peak of his career, when we are not close to a .500 team let alone playoff team, is a waste. Let alone the fact that he is an emotional person, both in good ways and in bad. I would just as soon pick up a journey man to mop up the extra minutes in blow outs and foul situations, and see if we can work Hassan Upside into an NBA player. I think letting DMC, JJ, JT, and HW play a majority of the 96 min at 4 and 5 will benefit the Kings far more in the future than the small bump it would get for signing Sammy for the next season or two.
by MichaelMack on Dec 21, 2011 6:21 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I agree with a lot of your points...
…except for Hassan Whiteside. I’m not sure there is any reason to keep him long term.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
So this is totally off topic
But does anyone else think Sammy looks like he’s doing I’m a little tea pot in this picture?
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Dec 21, 2011 6:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Is there any chance that...
…as the Kings got more info on Chuck Hayes’ condition, they came to the conclusion that he could come back after treatment. I read about what he has and there is two types – chronic and acute. If he has “chronic” Paricarditis, it can easily be treated with steroids or asparin. Surgery is rarely done or needed.
Maybe the Kings pulled the offer to Sammy after realizing Chuck may not be lost for the season. They obivously want him very bad (and Sammy was a “last resort”)…
I told ya...
As soon as Hayes’ condition was “updated” and the Kings were notified, they quickly pulled the offer (an offer they did not want to make) to Dally.
Once Dally’s offer from Sacramento was gone – there was simply no where left to go.
I seriously doubt that
All of the indications (and the unprecedented announcement of it from the Kings front office) are that Dally and/or his agent really pissed Petrie off. Meaning Dally’s contract was pretty much a done deal from the Kings point of view while his agent was just leveraging Houston.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Pryzbilla. A year removed from averaging 8 boards a game. Can protect the rim. Sign him.
by VirginiaKingsFan on Dec 21, 2011 7:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sammy...
Sounds to me like Sammy and/or his agent were using the Kings. I think the Kings were smart to pass and see what develops…including keeping in touch with Chuck. He could be healthy again and back in a few weeks…and in the meantime let the kids play! Not like they’re going to the playoffs either way this year. Build for the future.
I think Joel Pryzbilla's our best bet right now
To be honest I prefer him over Dally. The one thing I like about him the most is that he doesn’t try to do anything he can’t or be anything he’s not. He’s just going to go out there, play good defense and get rebounds and he’ll do both of those things better than any big we have now.
This
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If it was a veterans minimum
why not? Its not like we have cap issues.
by MichaelMack on Dec 21, 2011 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
I like Przy.....
…..but I’m not sure he’s physically able to rise to the challenge that this team would need from him. And, because of this I think the issue isn’t money but asking a player to do something in a way he’s no longer physically capable of.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And that is too bad
because I like anyone that plays as hard as him.
by MichaelMack on Dec 21, 2011 11:56 PM PST up reply actions
Me too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am just not clear on the status of Przy’s knee issue – but he would be perfect otherwise. He has claimed in interviews he is ready to play. Article below gives some update on his status. He clearly would be a great lockeroom presence.
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/11/former_trail_blazers_center_jo.html
by VirginiaKingsFan on Dec 22, 2011 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't expect anything otherwise.
Players are always believing they are ready to play.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm pro Przybilla
but I don’t get to vote
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 21, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not disappointed that the Kings didn't get Dalembert.
I’m ok with the additions that have been made (Hickson, Salmons,Thornton, Outlaw) and the Kings can still look forward to next year’s FA period (pay through the nose for Kevin Love….yes please?). I want to see PW get the players that he has now to play better team defense and run an offense with more motion. Given that it’s a shortened season, if this team wins 8+ more games than last year, big name FA acquisitons won’t be the reason for it, and it’ll be indicative of whether or not PW should continue coaching this team.
by getPGwithbounce on Dec 22, 2011 12:54 AM PST reply actions
Thought it was Ukraine.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Just a bit outside.........
< / Bob Uecker voice >
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Was thinking of J.R. Smith because me and a coworker were talking about him
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
Ah.
Jr Smith is a piece of shit. All I’m gonna say on that.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
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