Agent for Chuck Hayes issues statement saying doctors at the Cleveland Clinic examined Hayes and say, "..He does not have a heart problem."
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On a personal, that’s fantastic news. Happy to hear that.
On a business level, Petrie better be on that phone right NOW with him.
by Dub_TC on Dec 22, 2011 8:29 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
That is a weird way to state it...
But good news! I hope this is true
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 22, 2011 8:29 AM PST reply actions
Good news for Chuck
If this is true, then someone in the Kings has some explaining to do. Lets see if he will still sign with us if he is cleared to play.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 8:29 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
This just keeps getting weirder and weirder
Happy for Chuck if it’s true. But the Kings LOVE Chuck Hayes and were ecstatic about the signing. I don’t see why they’d void his contract over nothing.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 22, 2011 8:30 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
This is reverse Shareef Abdur Rahim.
The Net’s doctor said no thank you on Shareef and we are fine with it.
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And then he ended up retiring because of that knee.
Lest ye forget.
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So confused!
What the hell is going on here?
by Anton on Dec 22, 2011 8:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Time
to get on Twitter and overload his page with congrats and beg him to come back to the Kings!
by Dub_TC on Dec 22, 2011 8:35 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Better round that original contract the fark up, boys.
Get him back. I want him back. He’s got what we need.
No god damn heart problem, that’s what I saw.
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by andy sims on Dec 22, 2011 8:37 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
Well
http://twitter.com/#!/SpearsNBAYahoo/status/149891194820890625
This could be good
Not over nothing
I’m truly happy that it sounds like Chuck will be ok. I hope Chuck will get 1 more opinion from the doctors to make sure every thing is on the up and up with his health. The reason I feel like they voided his contract is because the good people over at UC Davis medical center or whoever does their physicals wanted to error on the side of caution. You cannot blame the Kings and their staff for that. I am happy that we have a team that puts the health of its players first and foremost. I am sure that with this news the Kings organization will do more research on Chucks health to be absolutely 100% positive that Chuck is healthy and ready to rock and roll with the Sac. Kings!
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Agent Calvin Andrews tells Y! Sports Sac frontrunner to sign Chuck Hayes, but Hou, SA, Minny in mix too. Decision likely to come after Xmas.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 22, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Aykis swings a very heavy hammer
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by tomroadrunner on Dec 22, 2011 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
That's not what I've heard.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Morey better back the hell off.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe we shouldn't have voided the contract in the 1st place.
That’s the problem when a notable reputable medical facility like the Cleveland Clinic says your heart is okay. Of course, it could be agent hyperbole too.
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You would think if they thought it was this serious
they would have gotten a second opinion before voiding it, but that’s just me
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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 22, 2011 10:00 AM PST up reply actions
Probably some timing issues involved here
But yeah, that would be optimal.
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I think timing issues explains a lot of it.
But let’s be honest Otis: It’s not like Hayes contract was breaking the bank either. This is a story that cuts to the heart of how competent this franchise is and there’s little else to say about that. On the other hand, it could have happened to any team and it is possible, no matter how unlikely, that the doc at the Cleveland Clinic is wrong.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I've seen a few things that agree with you pookey
various disgruntled team members over the years grousing about the lack of scouting and film work available
players coming in out of shape and being able to claim they’re trying to switch positions
rumors of no metrics research by the front office
and now this.
Call the Waaambulance!
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 22, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
Okay...well......
…..Donte coming in out of shape I think was on him. Regardless of how many pounds he weighs. Antoine Wright can say whatever he want, but I took that with a major grain of salt. In otherwords, I ignored what Wright said. I don’t think his opinion means much in any way shape or form.
No metrics in the front office is a matter of opinion, and I think everyone will come down on their own opinion for that one.
I was talking more about the Maloofs/Petrie to find the right kind of medical research. Hayes isn’t the only player in NBA history to have this happen, and I suspect it’s SOP for NBA teams to void a contract in the way the Kings did so in this instance. It’s not like teams are going to send their players to the Cleveland Clinic every time there is an issue of any magnitude. There are other quality doctors in the world.
What I hope, more than anything, is that the Kings can get Hayes signed and we can put this behind us. But if the Kings can’t get Hayes insured that’s going to be a major problem, and it won’t be the Kings as the only team with that problem. Insurance is the main way teams protect themselves against a major injury that noone could have predicted. Because this heart issue is known, it makes any contract issue sticky to say the least.
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That's what I'm wondering
If the Kings medical staff somehow botched this, will it make it tougher for Hayes to get any contract insured? Forget how it hurts the Kings – if it affects Hayes’ ability to get a contract subsequently, that’s obviously a huge deal.
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Yep hence a lawsuit.
I think the issue is being able to insured, and that’s the heart of the issue here (no pun intended). The Cleveland Clinic can say Hayes heart is fine (which is great news for Hayes in terms of being able to, you know, live hopefully a long healthy productive life whether it’s in the NBA or no) but without that diagnosis allowing insurance companies to sign off on the insurance of Hayes contract this could be a ridiculously sticky situation and then some.
Personally, I think Hayes is worth the risk. Especially if there is a minor procedure that could fix any complications in the future. But if the Cleveland Clinic is saying there isn’t even a minor procedure necessary…..well that’s an issue in of itself.
Jeff Green had an issue with his own heart, and that has been resolved fairly quietly. The reason I think Hayes’ situation hasn’t is because, unfortunately, it’s a sticky situation that has a lot of gray area within it. Simply put Otis, I think the issue with Hayes isn’t the heart, but the condition that, unfortunately harkens back to Jason Collier (who collapsed on the court in Oct 2005 and died) and the NBA has forced it’s teams to acknowledged heart conditions that are fatal as a result. I don’t think Petrie just voided this contract because he was having second thoughts. The Maloofs are stupid like that, but even they I don’t think are that far gone yet.
I think the issue, as James said last night, is an insurance one. If the Kings can’t get insurance on Hayes, and I suspect that’s the actual delay on getting Hayes signed (and why the void took place to begin with), than I suspect Hayes won’t be signed here under any circumstances whether it’s a risk worth taking or not.
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I hate to be this guy...
But what if he just payed another doctor to say hes fine, so he can play basketball…
I highly
doubt a doctor who makes a ton of money at one of the most respected hospitals in the world would put his reputation at stake like that. I least I would hope not.
There's a lot of good ones, too.
Jimmer should be the one to decide.
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by killerking on Dec 22, 2011 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
if they had
Jimmer perform the physical … this never would have been an issue.
by Dub_TC on Dec 22, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This is the funniest Jimmer joke I've seen KKing.
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It was this guy!
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by PhutureKings on Dec 22, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Berger
It is Hayes’ preference to return to the Kings, who previously voided his four-year, $21M contract, source says.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 22, 2011 8:40 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
At least there are no hard feeling so far
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
If they truly found something
I don’t know how you can have hard feelings since it could have ended up saving his life
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 22, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
You never know with the ego's some players have
good thing it seems like chuck doesn’t have a huge ego.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
I was extremely
bummed when they voided it … for Chuck and for the Kings.
Now I’m extremely excited …. for Chuck and for the Kings.
by Dub_TC on Dec 22, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Man they better ink him to the same deal tomorrow.
Especially if the doctors at the Cleveland Clinic are accurate.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 22, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Good Guy Chuck Hayes.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
Cleveland Clinic
Just a little background information for those like myself who have no idea what the Cleveland Clinic is: the Clinic is a nationally ranked hospital and is currently ranked number one in the specialty of cardiology and heart surgery, according to US News Health
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by kingsfan300 on Dec 22, 2011 8:41 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I'm gonna believe them
We need a new team doctor. As Sims pointed out on twitter, this isn’t the first time they’ve effed up (misdiagnosing Martin’s ankle for example)
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by Aykis16 on Dec 22, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
You’d think that teams would be smart enough to realize it is worth paying to have a good medical staff. Hell, even cheapass Sarver has a good medical staff in Phoenix. And by good I mean the best.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 22, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This has me re-thinking Dr. Newman and his 40,000 lasik surgeries, that's for sure
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 8 recs
At least 40,000 eyes were fixed during those surgeries.
by Carl on Dec 22, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Do you mean "fixed" as in locked in place?
by jveezy on Dec 22, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Stop it, you guys are freaking me out
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by otis29 on Dec 22, 2011 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
OK
BURN!!!!!!!!
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 22, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
Shit, don't say that
I’m going in on January 6th.
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by otis29 on Dec 22, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
20/20 vision for you!
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by pookeyguru on Dec 22, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm surprised
No one has mentioned Shareef already. There were a bunch of reports that he had knee problems before coming to Sacramento. Then a season later he retires due to (wait for it……)
Knee problems.
Would be nice if Chuck is OK and returns to the Kings. Then we’d all have a reason to wax nostalgic about him for a change…
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I want to hear a statement from somebody who is NOT his agent.
Obviously his agent loses money with Chuck not playing. Hopefully it is a case of our doctors taking the cautious route. It could be a 50-50 scenario of there being an issue. One side saying he’s fine while the other saying something different.
Ba-da
I'm also surprised
that the Kings do not get a second opinion on medical assessments when they have such a significant team and financial impact. If you tweak you ankle at practice, yeah have the team doctor check it out. If you are diagnosed with a life threatening heart condition that will result in the voiding of a $21M contract you might want to have someone else opine on that. Jeez.
by defender96 on Dec 22, 2011 8:49 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe that's basically what this was, but they had to void the contract before preseason started?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
They had to void the contract because he failed the physical
With no guarantee he would ever play, and no insurance on the money, there was no choice. I dont blame the Kings front office at all.
In a regular offseason, this would have been different. The team would have had time for Hayes to go to the Cleveland clinic for his 2nd opinion before having to void the contract. But with FA period so shortened, they had to void it to make room for a backup plan (Dalembert)
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Count your blessings
If it had been the SF Giants’ team doctor, they would have removed one of Chuck’s ribs
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by otis29 on Dec 22, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
And signed it a three year contract to play shortstop
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Weren't they the same ones who kept insisting Reke was fine last season?
Getting a weird vibe here.
Coach, something is wrong? I may need to sit out a game or two
Our team doctors say you’re fine. Get back out there.
Therefore, I pronounce he is “Kevin Martin Soft” and will never say another nice word about him
What did I do in my last life to get stuck with this organization?
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 22, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 15 recs
Winner.
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
It is quite common for a patient to get a 2nd opinion from a specialist on a serious condition like this
especially since it came out of the blue in this instance. It has nothing to do how good our doctors are. Our doctor is a general physician, and would not be able to see everything that goes on in the body.
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Excuses….FIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
Wow. If we can get Hayes back it would be fantastic
His defense and leadership are exactly what we need
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 22, 2011 8:43 AM PST reply actions
I hope he comes back
I think he can be an important anchor for this team moving forward.
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Great News
Calvin Andrews on Hayes: “All doors are open. The Kings have supported him during this process. We will have to just see how it plays out.”
by Anton on Dec 22, 2011 8:43 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Hope he gives the Kings some real love!
They just signed him.. Supported him through this.. Is he really thinking about signing with another team. That would be the icing on the cake of this crap cake off a season.
by Sincere P. on Dec 22, 2011 8:47 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Damn I really need to read these before I post! Grammar check!!
by Sincere P. on Dec 22, 2011 8:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
It seems pretty simple
If the Kings can attain insurance on the contract via this doctor’s opinion, the Kings can re-sign Hayes to the contract. If not, they cannot.
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Adding,
if Hayes’ agent is going to use this turn of circumstances to re-open the bidding on Hayes, my bet is that the Kings decline to participate.
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Kings original deal is still the best of anyone
Especially since Houston just signed Dalembert. San Antonio can’t offer much, Minny wasn’t willing to offer as much as Sacramento.
My best guess is Hayes is back in a Kings uniform soon.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 22, 2011 9:06 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Which is the best news of all......
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by pookeyguru on Dec 22, 2011 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the best news
I have heard in a long time!!
With chuck back we can actually contain the David Lee’s,Amare’s,Blake Griffins,Pau Gasol’s,Kevin Love’s of the league.
I was thinking we were going to need 30 out of Jimmer a night to make up for our lack of post D.
So Jimmer we’ll give you a break during your rookie season we only need 29 a night!!!
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 22, 2011 10:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Chuck chuck bo buck banana fana fo
Hope to see you soon, Mister Hayes.
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by andy sims on Dec 22, 2011 8:46 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
More news
Kings fire team doctor:
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 8:46 AM PST reply actions 16 recs
To make matters worse, he doubles as the team's nutritionist.
“Instead of chewing gum, chew bacon!”
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE TEST GAME BACK NEGATIVE? IS THAT A POSITIVE?
No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans
by 1damutt on Dec 22, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe this is why we pulled back Dalembert's contract?
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 22, 2011 8:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'm hoping the Kings have been in the loop
and supportive during Hayes second opinion, so they that knew about this yesterday. Sounds better than them being surprised today.
@dampania
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Petrie’s the one that left Dally at the altar.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
Good point
I really hope that the Kings blew off Dally because they heard about Chuck. I would be happy with the off season if we got the Chuck Wagon.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
I guess this is what we get...
i guess this is what we get for using “Sheedy Fong Diagnostics” to perform his physical.
by JOlives on Dec 22, 2011 8:50 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Sheedy has proven to be clueless regarding all matters of the heart.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 8:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The original procedure was performed by
Dr. Graswich
by Carl on Dec 22, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Graswich laid hands on Hayes?
I thought tubby only raised his fists to women.
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by andy sims on Dec 22, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Thank you Houston
I’m guessing if Houston didn’t poach Dalembert from us, we wouldn’t be able to resign Chuck. Good stuff.
Woj
Houston would’ve had interest in revisiting a Chuck Hayes deal, but Sam Dalembert signing takes them out of running.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 22, 2011 8:55 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Dalemblocked!
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks Sammy. Helping the Kings even after you left
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Petrie used him
as a smokescreen
by who betta than kanyon? on Dec 22, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This needs way more rec's.
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by PhutureKings on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
More than likely both sets of doctors are right.
It could be something and it might not. You can look at test results and interpret them in more than one way.
Ba-da
I agree with this sentiment completely and not at all.
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by andy sims on Dec 22, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
lol
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
Yep -
They never should have come out with “New Sims.” The Classic is so much better.
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I take Hayes' Agents statement in the literal sense.
It’s not a heart problem, it’s a problem with the sack surrounding the heart. He didn’t say it wasn’t Pericarditis.
A heart problem is an issue that raises huge red flags for teams. A solvable issue with the sack around the heart is something that is curable and one can expect a full recovery. – Agent damage control.
by BPaoliano on Dec 22, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But wouldn't a diagnosis of Pericarditis prevent the athlete from playing basketball until it's resolved?
It appears he’s been given the go-ahead to resume playing NBA basketball.
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I don't think there were ever any bad feelings between Hayes and the Kings
The impression I got was that GP felt horrible but there was no way to sign Hayes because he didn’t pass the physical. We also respected his wishes of not making any additional information public. I suspect Hayes and the Kings would be happy to put this deal back together if Hayes is insurable and passes his physical.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Well yeah, there is that
If you want to get nitpicky
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Best. News. Ever.
Ok, maybe not ever, but definitely this year. Hope he’s back, and would be nice if we got him back before Monday.
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Wrong.
Best news of the year was that the Kings were staying in Sacramento for at least one more season.
This is the best news of the week I’d say.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
by LOUiECOG on Dec 22, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 9 recs
WHY IS THIS NOT GREEN YET???????????????
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 22, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
...says the guy who didn't even rec the post himself
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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 22, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Dude
I was the 1st Rec
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by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 22, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
My gut
says he’s coming back …. I think little stuff like having his #42 jersey hanging during the preseason game will bring him back. Just a gut feeling.
Someone needs to tweet him the link to that article
The devil is dryhumping the details - Tom Ziller
Where did we hang his Jersey? By Webber's?
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Good move
I hope it helps him sign with us again.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
I really hope he comes back, but I don't think it will happen
Can’t wait to see the King’s statement that says, “whoops are doctors are lame, he was just fine. They were looking at the wrong medical results . . .”
Ba-da
"Apparently our doctor had his stethescope backwords. After an intense training session, everything should be good to go."
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 9:05 AM PST up reply actions
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Dec 22, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Geoff better
Throw in a few million extra and a few rounds of free mini golf w. Jimmer ..we HAVE to resign this guy ..if he does, Dali being a unprofessional a-hole will be a blessing in disguise…I believe in Santa again.
by aguimar71 on Dec 22, 2011 9:07 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 22, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Better be a bottle of Crown under that cap.
A friggin big one!
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
LOL!
Only if he doesn’t re-sign….otherwise I’m looking for champaign to celebrate having my starting PF back!
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 22, 2011 9:35 AM PST up reply actions
champagne^
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 22, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
they must of
Mixed hayes and the maloofs chart..that’s why they thought chuck didn’t have a heart
by aguimar71 on Dec 22, 2011 9:09 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
from K9 comparisons to fan favorite
Hayes knows how to win over his detractors
by who betta than kanyon? on Dec 22, 2011 9:21 AM PST reply actions
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 22, 2011 9:30 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
Maybe I am a little cynical
but the statement that “He does not have a heart problem” would be technically true for
Pericarditis if it had not progressed to doing damage. The cause for the original attack and wether that includes the possibility of reoccurance were not answered in this press release. Just that there was no damage. That risk factor still needs to be known before contracts start flying.
That said, I am sure the Kings will do their due dilligence and hope to see Hayes, the greatest King to have never suited up, suit up in hisKing’s jersey soon.
I will tweet him congrats and stay the moment my fingers hit post.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Amick tweeted
sam_amick Sam Amick
Dealing w/ phone issues this morn (iPhone 3GS, RIP), but before I head to Apple store: thrilled to confirm Chuck Hayes is cleared to play…
by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 22, 2011 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
and Congrats to Amick for getting rid of his 3GS
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
by Wonderchild on Dec 22, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
So if he re-signs with the Kings then this off-season just got weirder! I hope he does.
Great team guy and his defense is sorely needed.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 22, 2011 9:48 AM PST reply actions
I'm so confused.
So he’s fine now? Our doctors just screwed up and misdiagnosed him or something?
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
No
Portland thinks they are healthy and then they break.
We think they are brokenwhen they are healthy.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 22, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
apparently Jimmer swells the heart
Kings doctors will soon get acustomed to Jimmer’s effect on the hearts and minds of everyone that encounters Him.
by who betta than kanyon? on Dec 22, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
The capitalization made me snort.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
Chuck seems happy
Words can’t explain how I feel, with the support of family, friends, fans, and the love/power of GOD, PRAYER WORKS, I love and thank you ALL
He forgot to thank Jimmer
Ah, we’ll cut him some slack…he’s just caught up in the moment.
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Jimmer isnt someone you thank via Twitter...
that has to be done in person.
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Jimmer is in all of us.
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 22, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions
If you think it
Jimmer hears it
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
YES!!! Wonderful news
sam_amick Sam Amick
Calvin Andrews (agent for Hayes), says Sac has “leg-up” on…
sam_amick Sam Amick
…possible re-signing of Hayes, but he will wait for decision until after enjoying family during holiday.
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Dec 22, 2011 9:59 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
YEEEEEESSSSSS!!
THANK U GOD/BUDDHA/JIMMER
by yaboyrafa on Dec 22, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Keeping my fingers crossed for a Christmas day tweet that he will sign with Sac
and be ready for the Lakers game.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
so if we resign him
will he have to pass a physical again?
Meanwhile, Hassan is working on his juggling.
Really happy for Chuck though.
The nicest Lakers fan ever, Here we Stay! Er, I mean here you stay... I mean here Kings stay in Sacramento.
by JulyFishSB on Dec 22, 2011 10:04 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Hmm.. I don't really think Whiteside needs to practice being a clown
He already has that mastered
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 22, 2011 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I remember when nbadraft.net
said his NBA comparison was David Robinson.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 22, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Admirals sweat had more drive and dedication
than Whiteside
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 22, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Having Chuck back
should help Hassan figure it out: not too many situations require juggling during the game
by Midwest Chuck on Dec 22, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Even Chuck Hayes can't rescue Hassan Whiteside from his own cluelessness.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on Dec 22, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It's OK, Hassan has himself.
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Dec 22, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
"Ohm..."
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
by Juan Primo on Dec 22, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Del: You play with your balls a lot.
Neal: I do NOT play with my balls.
Del: Larry Bird doesn’t do as much ball-handling in one night as you do in an hour!
Neal: Are you trying to start a fight?
Del: No. I’m simply stating a fact. That’s all. You fidget with your nuts a lot.
Neal: You know what’d make me happy?
Del: Another couple of balls, and an extra set of fingers?
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
It would be nice to have a beat reporter who answered questions instead of asked them
mr_jasonjones Jason Jones
I haven’t heard from Kings about the Chuck Hayes news. But if their doctors agree w/ results why not re-sign him?
11 minutes ago
You’re the beat reporter, Jason. You tell us!
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Dec 22, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
My thoughts exactly
After watching the way Jason handles himself in some of Jhams videos on cowbell kingdom i have lost a lot of respect for Jason Jones.
it's amazing how many reporters at the bee do that
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
It's because you get what you pay for.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Dec 22, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
But I don't pay anything for STR
but I get much more reliable info than if I had paid for the Sac Bee, but since you are Sims, I’m assuming I’m missing something
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 22, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Good point.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
is it too early to write a fan post
about shopping Hayes? I mean look at his preseason averages for the Kings.
by who betta than kanyon? on Dec 22, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Ahahahahaah
Ahahahahaah
The nicest Lakers fan ever, Here we Stay! Er, I mean here you stay... I mean here Kings stay in Sacramento.
I love this pic.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Very nice haha
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
by kingsfan300 on Dec 22, 2011 10:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Sack the kings med staff!
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Dec 22, 2011 10:23 AM PST reply actions
Yeah! Burn them!
They turned me into a newt.
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 22, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Encouraging news
I don’t pretend to know about these things; but it would seem this is all about insurance. If doctors disagree, it still might mean he’s uninsurable and the Maloofs take on a huge risk if he drops during a game or his condition gets worse.
I would imagine most players, when confronted with a possible future condition, would still want to play no matter what. Especially players with this much heart.
Sucks for NJ. No Dwight...let's hope that doesn't mean Dwight to LAL.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 22, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions
I don't think Orlando will trade Dwight for veteran players.
It would almost be better for them if Dwight just simply walked away for nothing (as strange as that seems).
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
would like to see them do it actually
I dunno how you are able to cope being a Kings/Magic fan. That’s some special kind of torture.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
I don't really.
I stopped caring about the Magic after they acquired Gilbert Arenas. That act of stupidity was too much for me to make. As a Kings fan, I feel sorry for Magic fans because of that. Which should tell you a lot.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
a hah!
I’m drafting in 6.25 hours.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions
the sad part
is I spent a lot on him because of his health
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
Sucky.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
It was one of the reasons I wanted him too.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
should of let you grab him
you bastard. You and your making me bid reasonably for players I wanted!
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I was REALLY tempted to spend more to get him.
He’s pretty damn efficient. I was not turned off by his poor rebounding last year; I think his bout with mono affected him more than people realize. He went for $20, right? That was definitely reasonable at the time.
In the end, I only got two of the players I really wanted—Manu and Kyrie.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
yeah $20
I was stuck in an odd spot given earlier I bid $15 on Lowry and had no bigs and as you know at that point past West, Lee, and Lopez there are a ton of rebound block guys but not so much on the scoring free throw side of things.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 22, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Marc Spears
Free agent big man Chuck Hayes tells Y! Sports that while Kings will get strong consideration he is “back at square one” free agency wise.
I would think so.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
Money?
I guess people who don’t have the opportunity to make millions will never understand. Glad he’s healthy though.
We already offered him the most money.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Jim Crandell
Kings are thrilled at news Hayes can play & want him back… I am told they are waiting to hear from him on their offer to rejoin the team..
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 22, 2011 10:42 AM PST reply actions
Blow up his Twitter Kings fans.
Show him that we want and love him on the team.
by Scott Section 213 on Dec 22, 2011 10:46 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Insurance
there are many facts in this case and they may all be true.
Insurance companies take this stuff seriously, they saw something and wouldn’t cover the guy. I don’t doubt that the Cleveland clinic came to a second opinion. Thats what a good agent does, I hope its a case of the latter and not the former.
As far as the Dalembert case, I have a feeling that coming back here was his last choice and his agent may well have made some last minute “requests” after a deal was agreed to. This I wonder may have caused the Kings to pull their offer. Either that or they we using the Kings as a stalking horse just get him an offer from A.N. Other
Rest well, gentlemen, it's a done deal:
dontegreeneCOS Donte Greene
S/o 2 my bro @c_hayes44 coming bac 2 da team!!!! #blessed prayer works!!
Donté jumping onto the court before the shot falls.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 22, 2011 11:00 AM PST reply actions 16 recs
NostraDonte is back
I hope
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
Being a Fan: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
by raiderking21 on Dec 22, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Not sure if NostraDonte has been used before
but that is quite good… Dude knows the future, that’s all I know… He should grow a beard and remain with the team as a mystical hyperactive super happy cleric.
I would guess Hayes is saying he's "Back at square one"
in hopes of getting a last-minute ridiculous offer from a desperate team. If not, he’ll go back to the Kings, no sweat.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 22, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
This
Why wouldn’t he see if some desperate team isn’t willing to throw a crap load of money at you?
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 22, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Do it again Donte, predict our future
If I remember, the Kings were pretty much square one for him this off-season. It seemed we got him without any trouble (aside from the Wolves rumor)
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Haven't we been through enough bad karma?
Why does this crap happen to us?
Being a Kings fan is about suffering. We are all building up some serious positive vibes.
With my sports teams
suffering has become the norm. I now don’t feel normal if things go the right direction for one of my teams.
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 22, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I feel your pain
Never Turn Back - Crush 40
Being a Fan: 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% pain, and 100% reason to remember the name!
by raiderking21 on Dec 22, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Its better than last year
We are at least trying to get better instead of signing Luther Head type players and our jerseys still say Sacramento. Jimmer helps me forget about all the suffering.
It helps that the 49ers are good this year and the Sharks are solid as always.
by SharkKings49 on Dec 22, 2011 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
cant believe all this
just for Chuck Hayes Sigh
Welcome to Maloofville.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
You mean Malindaville?
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
by Wonderchild on Dec 22, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well that too.
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
promising news
https://twitter.com/#!/mr_jasonjones/status/149963978318168065
Don't rush to judge something you know nothing about
It is encouraging to know that further medical testing was reassuring with regard to Chuck Hayes and his potentially scarey health situation. However it is perplexing to see that many have been quick to change their tone from one of genuine compassion and sympathy for Chuck to a tone of condemnation towards the Kings management.
The issue at hand was obviously a serious one and pertained to concern on the part of the Kings medical staff and team regarding the potential risk of sudden death for Chuck Hayes while playing NBA basketball due to a newly suspected cardiac condition picked up during stress testing apparently associated with enlargement of the heart . We don’t know all the specifics and may never know the reality concerning the specific diagnostic information. This evaluation is usually performed by a cardiologist and not the Kings medical staff. There was a subsequent recommendation by the Kings medical staff for Chuck to seek further evaluation (a second opinion) expeditiously at the Cleveland Clinic. It was apparently the Kings (not the agent) who facilitated the expiditious referral to the Cleveland Clinic which is one of the top cardiac centers in the U.S. Despite what Aileen Viosin does in the public media…the Kings and the medical staff were appropriately not forthcoming with details on the issue. There is something called HIPPA violations that pertain to confidentiality of medical information which was respected in this instance by the Sacramento Kings and their medical staff.
We don’t know what prompted the voiding of the contract by the Kings management. Perhaps if one fails a physical the contract is automatically voided. In an abreviated period of free agency there probably were basketball, insurance and business factors that weighed in to this decision. If they didn’t void the contract Chuck Hayes would not be able to seek employment with other teams. Obviously the goal for the Kings at the time was to secure the services of another big man. Perhaps the continued situation of Chuck Hayes remaining under contract would potentuially make Sacramento a less desireable destination for another free agent signee in terms of minutes.
Did the subsequent evaluation by the Cleveland Clinic medical team weigh in to the Kings abrupt withdrawl of their offer to Samuel Dalembert? Perhaps…alternatively perhaps Petrie became disturbed at the open dialogue concerning these negotiations which was happening on the part of Dalembert and his agent.
What Chuck Hayes signs for and with whom will largely be based on timing factors,
further medical evaluations, and levels of need on the part of the bidders. I suggest we withhold judgement until we see what uniform Chuck Hayes is playing in on opening day.
by SacKingsfanforever on Dec 22, 2011 3:35 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I think this conversation has been extremely interesting
Sure, there’s been a few accusations against the team for what happened, but overall just people trying to understand the “how” of the whole thing.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Dec 22, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
With
As I grow increasingly frustrated by the “get it first, hope it’s right” efforts of the media, the conversation that it spawns around here is largely top shelf. It’s almost getting to the point where I’m using the “news source” as the guide and the general consensus of the members here as the rule.
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by section214 on Dec 22, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Right on
But it slill seems like you could come to the logical deduction that the Kings have the best chance to retain his services . Based on the mentioning that the Kings organization assisted with the doctors referal in you post above. Right ?
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