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The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: 2011-12 Season Premiere

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It's Jimmer Time.

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The Good:

1. Here We Stayed

On May 2nd, the Maloofs announced that they would not file for relocation and we were officially back in Sacramento for this season. We do still have a lot of work ahead of us to make sure this process isn't repeated anytime soon, but it was still a huge victory for the fans, the city, and our heroic Mayor.

2. Draft

The Kings did well in the draft this year, grabbing three prospective rotation players with three picks. Jimmer of course is the big prize, taken 10th overall and he is definitely going to bring back excitement to Sacramento. Honeycutt at 35 was a value pick as well, as he's very versatile and can guard three positions. Isaiah Thomas at 60 may just be the greatest 60th pick ever. We'll see how they pan out, but I think we did a great job here.

3. Chuck Hayes

I've had this post in the drafts for the past few weeks, and Hayes has been in all three categories before finally ending up here. As of the time of this writing, it looks like Hayes is indeed coming back to Sacramento, after his original contract was voided due to concerns with his heart. Luckily he got a second opinion from the world-renowned Cleveland Clinic and has been cleared to play. I know it was weird how this all went down, but it doesn't look like the Kings could have played it any other way. Personally, I'm just glad Chuck is ok, and am really looking forward to see what he can do in a Kings uniform. Tom Martin, editor of The Dream Shake shared his thoughts on Hayes with me recently:

Chuck Hayes is unlike most players who do the "little things," because in Chuck's case, what you see is exactly what you get.

Hayes is first and foremost a defender. He can guard any position from small forward to center; in fact, to close out a game in Boston a year or two ago, Rick Adelman stuck him on Paul Pierce, whom he proceeded to shut down for the game's final two possessions to seal the victory.

On the block, Hayes is a gigantic, yet very quick wad of mass. He's like Michael Turner to basketball; his low, stocky center of gravity gives him such an advantage when it comes to cutting off quick counter-moves in the post and maintaining position. Chuck doesn't block many shots, but that's because many of his "blocks" aren't counted in the same category. Chuck is a swiper: he'll often knock the ball loose mid-shot before his opponent can bring the ball to his shoulders.

On offense, Hayes has improved vastly. Is that a direct result of Rick Adelman's system? Perhaps. Adelman used Hayes as the center of the offense, literally. Each possession ran through Hayes in the high post. He'd hand the ball off, swing the ball to the opposite side of the floor or perhaps look backdoor for a cut and layup. Regardless of how Hayes is used in the future, in his time with Adelman, he became a very good passer and found a fluidity to his offensive game that never before existed (I mean, he recorded a triple-double last season. Like... what?). He's excellent in the pick-and-roll game and at some point borrowed a few layup tricks from Luis Scola. It used to be that Hayes couldn't finish, but that concern has since dissolved.

People say Hayes can't shoot. In game situations, they would be correct -- you'll never see him take a jump shot. Funny thing is, if you show up early to warmups, you'll see the Chuckwagon raining threes from the wing with his eyes closed. The dude has better ball skills than one would think -- thing is, he's often the last person an offense wants to see shoot the ball.

As for his weaknesses, they are simple and relate to his height. He has actually become an above-average rebounder -- especially on the offensive glass -- but he's best used as a power forward. Otherwise, he doesn't do much in the rim-protection department, leaving room for opposing wings to have a field day in the lane. He's a facilitator on offense, but not an answer to a lost possession by any means. If you're looking for a solid fifth option on the floor, Chuck's your man. If you're looking for more, you're in trouble.

Hayes seems to be a perfect fit for Sacramento. He's a great veteran presence, he grew up in the area and I think he'll bring a refreshing, passionate approach to the game that should bode well for the youngsters. He'll certainly be a nice influence on DeMarcus Cousins, but on the floor, he's someone who can stretch a defense and move the ball to options like Jimmer Fredette, Marcus Thornton Tyreke Evans and the many others.

I wish Hayes all the best in Sactown. He certainly did his best while he was down South, and I don't expect any less of him now that he's at home.

4. Kings shore up the Wing

Without a doubt, the Kings weakest position last year was the Small Forward spot. Donté Greene and Omri Casspi failed to be consistent, and Francisco Garcia is more of a guard than a wing. In trading for John Salmons and acquiring Travis Outlaw off of waivers and drafting Tyler Honeycutt, the Kings finally have some depth at this position. It remains to be seen whether it is good depth, but it's at least stronger than last year.

5. Back in Black

The new jerseys look awesome, and I think the blackout against the Lakers in the home opener is a fun idea. This whole Back in Black thing sounds really familiar to me though...

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I'll take my royalties in the Brock Ness Monster account.

6. Goon Squad Classic

It was really great of Donté Greene to throw a charity game in the Sacramento area for basketball starved Kings fans. Sure, the basketball wasn't really competitive or anything, but it was fun and exciting to see our guys on the court again, and doing it all for the fans.

7. Kings re-sign Marcus Thornton

This should have been Priority #1 for the Kings as soon as the lockout lifted, and I was very glad to see how quickly the team locked him up, on a pretty fair contract too. Marcus is a big part of our team going forward.

8. Trading Omri Casspi for J.J. Hickson

Casspi clearly was frustrated here. He also simply wasn't good enough to be just given starter's minutes or anything. The Kings did very well in grabbing a legit big man in the NBA in J.J. Hickson. Hickson and Jason Thompson are both quality bigs in the NBA, and this year will determine which one (or both) gets to stay in Sacramento long term.

9. No Shawn Kemps on this Team

By that I mean that everyone seems to have come into camp in pretty good shape given the 8 months off. Obviously we're still away from guys getting into game shape, especially with a shortened training camp and pre-season, but it doesn't look as if anyone on the team slacked off during the break, even though DeMarcus Cousins jokes otherwise.

10. Flexibility

I know a lot of us wanted the Kings to go after some of the big names this summer, especially considering how much cap space we had, but as I mention further down, its not as if the Kings haven't been trying to add guys to the team, they just keep getting spurned. Right now I think we made some good additions, and we also retain a lot of our cap flexibility going forward, which is especially useful for trades.

The Bad:

1. Sandy Sheedy

Councilwomen Sandy Sheedy has decided to stake her re-election bid on being firmly anti-arena. I can understand being anti-arena if you have legitimate criticisms and make an effort to know what you are talking about (see Darrell Fong), but Sheedy isn't even making an effort to get to know anything about the project.

2. Goodbye Beno

With Beno, we didn't just lose a good basketball player, we lost a good person. We relied on Beno's consistency on the court a lot the last couple years, and I wish him the best in Milwaukee.

3. Trading Future Pick Flexibility

The one bad part about the Casspi for Hickson trade was that it included a future 1st round pick. The protections on this pick essentially make it so that we can't trade another pick till 2018 (unless we end up getting another 1st rounder to give to Cleveland in the near future). This kind of sucks for trading flexibility.

4. Spurned at the Altar

The Kings have been trying to spend this offseason but keep getting spurned despite offering more money. Jamal Crawford left for Portland and less money (I still consider that a good thing for us). Samuel Dalembert turned down more money to go to Houston. Andrei Kirilenko has had an offer from the Kings for weeks and he's still in Russia. Ailene Voisin also reports in this interview with the Maloofs that the Kings tried to get involved in the Chris Paul sweepstakes but couldn't since he had a preferred list of destinations. The Kings only way to really attract Free Agents to Sacramento is to overpay them, and when they aren't coming even when you do that, what are you supposed to do?

The Ugly:

1. The Lockout

The Lockout really, really, sucked. This cannot be understated. The deal that both sides agreed to could probably have been agreed to months earlier if people had chosen to act rationally. But it ended up taking the threat of a lawsuit and a potential missed season before a deal was reached. Now we are left with a 66 game compressed season, a mere two weeks of training camp and Free Agency, and the quality of basketball this year will suffer as a result.

2. Samuel Dalembert

With the loss of Hayes, the Kings seemed set to bring back Sam to shore up the middle, but then very peculiarly, they publicly withdrew their offer to Dalembert, even going as far as to issue a press release. Minutes later (literally, like two minutes later) it was reported that Dalembert was going to Houston on a two year, $13.7 million deal with a team option for the 2nd year. This does not seem like an overly expensive deal, especially for a quality center, so to me it looks like Dalembert was using the Kings as leverage and they got mad. Adrian Wojnarowski seems to back my theory up tweeting "Kings made Dalembert his two best offers of guaranteed money over past 2 weeks... but he clearly wasn't inclined to return there."

3. The Schedule

Directly caused by the lockout, this 66 game schedule is incredibly tough, especially early on. The Kings play 21 of their 33 road games BEFORE the All-Star break. They also get their only back-to-back-to-back early on as well.

4. Power Balance Goes Bankrupt

We really shouldn't have been surprised. I'm more worried about the fact that the guys who are buying Power Balance's assets might keep the name on the arena.

Player of the Offseason:

Jimmer Fredette

Without a doubt it has to be Jimmer. I'll admit that for much of last year leading up to the draft I was not a Jimmer fan. I wanted us to draft Brandon Knight. But now, I'm all in. I don't think he'll ever be quite as good as some of his biggest fans think he'll be, but he'll be a very solid player in the NBA. His vision is good, his shooting is just on another level, and he has a very high Basketball IQ. It's going to take a while for him to adjust to the NBA game, particularly in a new role where he doesn't have a blank check to just fire every time down the court. I think he'll figure it out though. Just judging from his two pre-season games, he already looks like a veteran out on the court.

Image / GIF of the Offseason:

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by SavageBeast

Runner-Up:

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Comment of the Offseason:

This goes out to Mayor Kevin Johnson, and whatever he said at the Board of Governors in New York.

FanPost of the Offseason:

"Thank You" by edm7.

Runner-Up #1:

2011 NBA Draft - Dalt99 System Player Rankings by dalt99

Runner-Up #2:

The Legend of the Patience Preacher by betweentheeyes

Runner-Up #3:

Fake Facts About Jimmer by Rickyflip

Highlight of the Preseason:

Caption Contest:

This Week's Picture:

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A reminder of the rules for the Caption Contest. Leave your caption in the comments below, and the most rec'd (to recommend a comment, hit action, then rec) caption wins.

This week's caption contest winner gets amnestied.

Question of the Week:

What will the Kings record at the end of the year be? My guess is 30-36. That'd be equivalent to about a 37-45 record in a normal season. I hope this team surprises me and does much better though.

And Nostradumbass Prediction for Next Week:

v. Los Angeles Lakers 12/26 W (Rematch of last year's crushing loss, and this time it's the season opener. The crowd and team will be pumped, and the Lakers will be without Bynum and Odom.)

@ Portland 12/27 L (Jamal Crawford will drop 79 points on us and we will all bow down to Ninja King)

v. Chicago 12/29 L (The Bulls were last year's best team and have kept their roster very similar, even improving their weakest position by adding Rip Hamilton. They have a leg up on everyone else since their chemistry is already there)

v. New York 12/31 W (Carmelo and Amar'e will be too busy thinking about how much they're going to party for New Year's Eve to play basketball)

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“and that’s my impression of Jerry Reynolds during the lockout”

by Dub_TC on Dec 23, 2011 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

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“This is what I get for joining Jimmer’s book club.”

by henryclemente on Dec 23, 2011 7:15 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

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I thought Stephen King was a loud mouth espn talking head? Oh, thats Stephen A. Smith?

No, I never said "Hey sweetheart I'm Rookie of the Year." I told her "I'm Tyreke Evans" though............Tyreke Evans

by 1damutt on Dec 23, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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“This book should get rid of my erection. Focus now, I think it’s working.”

I love a balloon!

-George Carlin

by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Dec 23, 2011 7:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I enjoy reading this stuff

Really good to see basketball back at full swing!

"And Solskjaer has won it!"

by 'tough as nails' spence on Dec 23, 2011 7:45 AM PST reply actions  

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DeMarcus disappointed and disgusted to find that “Full Dark – No Stars” is not about the Kings’ new unis after all. “Hey, it said KINGS on the front – WTF, man?”

Tyreke Evans at 100% = Purple Jesus

by Biscuit on Dec 23, 2011 7:46 AM PST reply actions  

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“So what position did this Stephen guy play for the Kings?”

by HoneycuttCheerios. on Dec 23, 2011 7:48 AM PST reply actions  

This^

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 23, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

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“so, the Kings are really named after Stephen King?, who’d have thunk it?”…

Purveyor of Bull Plop

by SayWhat? on Dec 23, 2011 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

chuck hayes medical issue with Kings needs to be in the bad at least

Didnt cost us Hayes but the whole 0process smelled fishy and I think shoyld be an indictment on the Kings.

Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!

by kingme18 on Dec 23, 2011 7:58 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

If you read the most recent info...

There was a WHOLE lot they could have done differently. I guess the medical staff could have been way more badass like the Cleveland Clinic or something. But it seems (to me at least) that it takes a well-versed SME in heart conditions to accurately diagnose what was going on.

by Steevo on Dec 23, 2011 8:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

Chuck said it was for best, Cleveland Clinic said it was right move, and he instantly resigned. Yea, horrible indictment of Kings. Smh..

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 23, 2011 8:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Have you read what actually happened?

The devil’s in the details – the Kings appeared to have acted completely appropriately and in a professional manner regarding Chuck Hayes.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Dec 23, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Beyond professional.

They gave him a raise!

" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn

by Shizzo on Dec 24, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

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I like to wear my reading glasses…

and look over them when I read.

WAKE UP SACRAMENTO AND BUILD A NEW ARENA!!!!! - Me

by ibon on Dec 23, 2011 8:11 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

After reading several comments on STR about his BBIQ not being high enough- Demarcus is bound and determined to show people he has a very high BBIQ – Book Browsing IQ that is

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Dec 23, 2011 8:12 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Sandy Sheedy

should be in the UGLY section, in my opinion

by masawi44 on Dec 23, 2011 8:14 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

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Now that Jimmer stopped reading to me, I’m lost. can I go play now with my…?

by Steevo on Dec 23, 2011 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

I thought the Back in Black sounded familiar.

Great recap. I wasn’t that excited about Jimmer either, but I’m a believer now.

The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal

by Slam_Dunk on Dec 23, 2011 8:26 AM PST reply actions  

Another thing

it’s not officially a Kings season without the Good, Bad, and Ugly ….. NOW we can get to Kings basketball.

by Dub_TC on Dec 23, 2011 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

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Bad asses wear black and read Stephen King.

The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal

by Slam_Dunk on Dec 23, 2011 8:34 AM PST reply actions  

Love the 3rd person

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Dec 23, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 23, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

This

Haha I also thought of demarcus being the third person as well, it made it muh better

by Czar Nickoli on Dec 24, 2011 10:26 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

id l

Children, before you go to sleep check under your bed for the BOOGIE MAN!!

by kingme18 on Dec 23, 2011 8:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

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150 pages into the book: “Wait a minute coach, I still don’t see a single play in here designed to get the the ball.” (frown)

PW: “You grabbed the wrong book again, Demarcus.”

by Jim Les on Dec 23, 2011 9:05 AM PST reply actions  

“These bracelets balance my body AND my mind”

Sanka....you dead? Ya Man

by prowseinthehouse on Dec 23, 2011 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

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“The hell did he just say about my weight?”

by Merickel on Dec 23, 2011 9:18 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

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“why am i hard right now?”

by yaboyrafa on Dec 23, 2011 9:25 AM PST reply actions  

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“I almost wish I had stayed at University of Kentucky long enough to learn how to read…”

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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 23, 2011 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

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“I’ve read every Stephen King novel and still haven’t found out how to stop this Sandy Sheedy monster everyone keeps talking about. I wonder it Tyreke is having more luck with Danielle Steele.”

by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 23, 2011 9:43 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Any repsonses to the Question of the Week?

Curious to see what you guys think the team’s record will be this year.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 23, 2011 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

I think you're 30-36 is pretty accurate

But, I’ll try to be a little optimistic and go 34-32.

It will be interesting to see what will get you into the playoffs this year. Even if the Kings manage to go .500, that might be enough

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 23, 2011 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll take a shot at 30-36

I think after a mediocre start with a tough schedule, we make a late season run. I figured we would win 45% of our games.

I don’t think this is quite a .500 team this season, but likely a playoff team next season. I’m going for 30-36 with enough late season excitement to have fans buzzing about the team.

I just hope we are patient through the tough start and don’t fire Westphal/Petrie and have things come undone.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Dec 23, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll take a shot at.....

AH Hell, just read the sig

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Dec 23, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd love to see 500.

33 and 33. Which happen to be what the point/assist averages for Jimmer will be this year!

by kurtis22 on Dec 23, 2011 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Ask me again next week

I have no idea yet how this team ends up looking. Two pre-season games against GS without a full lineup? And it’s ahrd to judge anything when you play GS. Lots of weapons . . . .

On Jimmer, he got burned a few times but I’d mention that it’s a rare team that has two guards that exploit with speed like that. Hell, if GS didn’t have that – ? Jimmer can play but we shall see.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I meant WE clearly have lots of weapons

Can PW utilize them in a way that makes sense and wins games?

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree. It's going to take the first few weeks I think to get an accurate judge of this team

Playing Golden State had it’s advantages/disadvantages when it comes to their guards. It was a true test to Jimmer’s defense, because you aren’t going to find much better 1/2’s than Curry/Ellis. Then Jimmer’s offense might look a fraction better than it really is, because Curry/Ellis don’t know what defense is. Though, they were playing better defense than previous years.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 23, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

32-31

Just cause I’m an optimist. Although I think we will be stronger at end of year, so I could see a few more L’s, but I’m shooting for the playoffs.

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 23, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I think we'll beat last year's win total

28-38. Gonna be a rough start but we’ll get it together. I think we can do a few wins better if Westphal comes up with a semi-consistent rotation, too.

by Steevo on Dec 23, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I predict high-20's for wins and high-30's for losses

Specifically, 28-38 this year. I really hope they have a record above .500 but that seems like a stretch. Who knows? Maybe the Chuckwagon will change things and the backcourt will magically sync and we get 36-30…

by clicc916 on Dec 23, 2011 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

33-33 record

1st half of season will be ugly, but the 2nd half will show a marked improvement.
My guess would be 14-19 (1st half of season) then 19-14 the 2nd half of season.
Can’t wait to find out!

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Dec 23, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

My prediction

25-41

I tend to go a little low just to remain somewhat realistic. I could easily see the team exceeding my prediction. Tough to say.

Keep in mind, 25 wins this season would be the equivalent winning percentage of 31 games in a normal season.

In most polarizing arguments, the truth is found somewhere in the middle.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 23, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Answering the question on our record

I’d put us around 27 wins. I just don’t have faith in Coach Tinkerer to put together a cohesive unit, especially in a short, compressed season.

"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott

by otis29 on Dec 23, 2011 10:04 AM PST reply actions  

Exactly my worry

Coach tinkerer – classic!

“If it doesn’t work one game in a row let’s just change everything . . .Whiteside starts at SF in game 3!”

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I think there will be much less tinkering this year

Most of the tinkering the last couple years has been because of the SF spot, nobody could lock that down and play consistently. I think (unless we have a lot of injuries) we’ll basically see Reke, Thornton, Salmons, Hayes, Cousins starting almost every game with Jimmer, Cisco, Hickson, Thompson, Outlaw as the main backups.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 23, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree for the most part

but I think Cisco gets squeezed out of the rotation.

by markdog333 on Dec 23, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

Cisco gets minutes if someone who plays 1-3 gets hurt

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Dec 23, 2011 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

cisco will get time IF he stays healthy

He still has a solid set shot, and plays good defense.

"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."

by Wonderchild on Dec 23, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

If he does

its because he beat out Outlaw and Donte for backup SF

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Dec 23, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree completely

Although I think Westphal is more of a players/veterans coach – he was forced to tinker because of the inconsistency,

34-32!

by blknblu on Dec 23, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

One can dream . . .

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Trying to pull a Psychic Donte here and i will say 42 wins..Because it is the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything..And we know that is the answer because 4+2 is 6 which is the # of letters in Jimmer’s last name

Founder of team Omté Caspeen

by Widowwolf on Dec 23, 2011 10:11 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks for all the fish.

"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP

by tomroadrunner on Dec 23, 2011 10:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Dont forget your Towel…

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by Widowwolf on Dec 23, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Some more good advice for a young basketball team.

"DeMarcus pounds, like the hammer. Tyreke slashes, like the sickle.
For the good of the proletariat!" - tomroadrunner

by Ice_9ine on Dec 23, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Sorry not his last name but in the name JIMMER..Notice Jesus and Jimmer both start with a J..freaky huh!

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by Widowwolf on Dec 23, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Um...

I think Fredette has more than six letters.

by towndunce on Dec 23, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

see my reply right above this comment

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by Widowwolf on Dec 23, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

So glad Hayes is back...just wanted to say that.

He can be a difference maker for our team. Maybe even for my fantasy squad if no one else picks him up off of waivers.

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 23, 2011 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

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“I made a deal with Westphal to read one chapter for every turnover I commit.”

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 23, 2011 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

Got war and piece or the bible ready?

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by Widowwolf on Dec 23, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

No Pooh..No Head

this is going to be a long season

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Dec 23, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

So we can call IT, The Toilet?

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Dec 23, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah.

He’s our royal flush.

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by swoosh91 on Dec 23, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

nice write up

This cracks me up. Jimmer has good court vision, he can shoot the lights out, and he has high basketball iq. Other than that we’re not sure how good he will be. ;)

I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin

by Bambooozled on Dec 23, 2011 10:34 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I think folks are being too hard on PW

IMHO, he clearly has not had a solid starting five to work with, and has tried to confuse teams with a multitude of matchups as a fallback option. Even this year, I suspect that we will see more rotations than most fans would prefer (particularly the transition from two-guard to three-guard lineup).

Imagine an alternate universe where PW goes with a consistent starting five, and those guys get 36 minutes per game. I’d wager that within 10 games (assuming the team went worse than 6-4 in that stretch) people would be calling out the coach for not giving their pet player more burn. Just sayin…it has the potential of going both ways.

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by RJinFairOaks on Dec 23, 2011 10:47 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Part of his problem is he wasn't sure WTH he was going to get out of people every night

It’s hard to make a consistent lineup when you have no clue what player is going to show up that night. One day Casspi looked like the sure fire starter, the next he was awful and you couldn’t get him off the court fast enough

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 23, 2011 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

On one point

I just don’t see Isiah getting many minutes barring injury.

The real mystery is how the minutes are allocated to Salmons,Jimmer, Outlaw – and I guess to JT.

That 3 guard set was interesting; how does Salmons fit into that? We all remember how he was when he didn’t get enough minutes or (God forbid!) came off the bench.

I see plenty of confusion for PW to exploit.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 10:49 AM PST reply actions  

I'm guessing Isaiah is used similar to how Pooh was used

He’ll get minutes when Westphal feels we need to push the tempo up a few notches and need someone to bring in some energy

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 23, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet starters minutes will be going down all around the league while quality subs end up playing almost starter minutes.
I think Tyreke, Marcus and Jimmer will all average within 6 minutes of each other.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 23, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me say

that I think we Should go 10 deep, it will pay off as the season goes on. I’d love to see almost no one average more than 30 minutes.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think PW will play Reke, Thornton, Salmons, Jimmer a lot because they are all pretty much interchangable

you can really play any of those 3 on the court at the same time and still be effective as long as Reke or Salmons is in to guard the SF

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by Wonderchild on Dec 23, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to have GB&U back!

I am pleasantly surprised at Jimmer’s ball handling and poise. But, as for right now, Knight looks to be everything he was thought to be for the PG position. Whether Jimmer turns out to be the best choice for us, has more to do with the coaches and how the offense is designed. There have been some excellent PG’s to come out of college in the years since we drafted Tyreke. Whether Jimmer or Tyreke end up being in the top 10, is still up for debate.

As for the Kings win/loss record, I’ll go along with those that said it’s too early to say, and those that question how stable the rotations will be. Yes the rotations should be more stable since PW has more defensive veterans on the roster. Although we don’t know just how good the 3-guard rotation of Tyreke, Thornton and Jimmer will be at initiating the offense.

My gut tells me, the offense will struggle getting the ball into the paint with the ball going thru Hayes and our guards. Which will result in the Kings continuing to be a team with Thornton & Tyreke stashing to the rim and with a lot of outside jump shots. Hayes will be a solid defensive big, but not good enough to compensate for the defensive weaknesses of Cousins, JT and JJ. And, if Dalembert couldn’t help compensate for our poor exterior defense, Hayes at the PF won’t affect it either.

The teams that have experienced lineup that have played together will get out of the gate the quickest. That’s not the Kings in spite of our new additions. And, it’s even doubly troubling that we have 21 or our road games in the start of the season like Aykis mentioned.

Cousins looks to be our only offensive weapon among the bigs. Which considering the offensive power of our guards might not be a major concern. But, there isn’t a lot of improvement in the perimeter defense in this lineup. We really need to sign more two way players. PW is still going to have to decide whether to put in a defensive or offensive lineup at the end of games. Without sufficient time to practice because of the tight schedule and the early season road schedule, I’m putting the Kings at 26-27 wins.

I see the offense stagnating at times, too many turnovers, and too many jump shots. We’ll win a few more games with our defense, but overall we’ll win when the jumpers are falling and we’ll be blown out when they are not.

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by HighTops on Dec 23, 2011 11:17 AM PST reply actions  

this by far

is the most excited i have ever seen John Salmons!

by anthonysam on Dec 23, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

The smile in this pic is photoshopped

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by Wonderchild on Dec 23, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Obviously

You’ve never seen him after being called for a foul.

Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!

by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 23, 2011 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Salmons Caption

“All they got for me was Beno Udrih…and they had to move down three spots in the draft?!?”

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by section214 on Dec 23, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Seriously?

If Salmons is anything – he’s an excellent perimeter defender. I don’t think there’s any question about that. Depending on how Hickson plays, and I just never watched enough in Cleveland and haven’t seen enough yet, I think we have some front line scoring, enough.

On level of talent and depth, I think this team has the pieces it takes to – perhaps – make the playoffs, or certainly to be in the conversation. I think the (redacted) and New Orleans fall out and don’t see why we aren’t at least as good as Portland.

Now, I get back to whether PW can meld these guys into any kind of cohesive offensive or defensive unit . . . .There’s no good reason why offensively we shouldn’t be able to put up close to a hundred on anybody.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We'll see how well Salmons defends Artest on Monday

I still don’t know why everyone keeps saying that John is such a good defender even now at the age of 32. His career stats aren’t that impressive with 0.9 steals and 0.3 blks. I like him as a 2, but I’m still unsure that he’s the answer to our problem at the 3.

I haven’t watched the Bucks too often, so I don’t know how often John was asked to guard the 3 vs the 2. In the last game against the Kings, he defended the 2 and Beno and Thornton went off for 52 pts. And, they combined for 8 of 10 at the rim and 2 of 5 from 3-9ft. That doesn’t sound like Salmons is ready to stop our issue of guards attacking the paint. With the Bulls he mostly defended the 2 as he did with the Kings before that. Even if he is a good defender at the 3, it’s still up for debate as to whether he’ll be better than Garcia or Donte was last season.

Plus one player isn’t going to necessarily stop ball penetration. And, certainly playing the 3, John isn’t going to solve our problem with defending the Pick & Roll. I’m hoping Hayes can help in that area, but it’s still an unknown.

JJ needs the help of others and offensive boards to score. He’s not going to create on his own and neither JJ or Chuck score outside of 9ft from the rim. Chuck shot 25% outside 9ft and JJ is about 30% for their careers. So, to me JJ and Chuck are just going to be taking put backs away from Cousins to get their points. And, I don’t see Chuck putting home any alley-oops. JJ and DeMarcus had some of the poorest shooting percentages among all PF last season, and unless they get some help getting easy baskets, I expect that to continue.

And, because of the youth of our young stars, I really only see 2 truly good 2-way players in the starting 5. And, maybe 2 more coming off the bench. That could improve if some of the young guys develop during the season, but I can’t count on that in making my predictions.

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by HighTops on Dec 23, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Salmons makes guys, very good players, give up the ball

(and I can’t believe I’m spending time defending John because I hate watching him on offense), he makes teams go to their 2nd wing option, which is never a bad thing.

As for our bigs not shooting outside of 9 feet? Good. Hickson showed me a few plays in that last game where he did seem capable of scoring off a few dribbles – and I actually saw a Pick and Roll! Be still my beating heart.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Salmons is excellent on offense

He lulls his defender to sleep, dribbling to the beat of a metronome, and when his defender nods off, Salmons makes his move to the basket.

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by Wonderchild on Dec 23, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What?
Cousins looks to be our only offensive weapon among the bigs.

JJ Hickson scored 19 points on 11 shots last game. He averaged 19 points a game last month of season.

JJ Hickson should average around 15 points/game. He will put up over 20 points a game on a lot of nights when he gets enough touches. He runs the floor, he catches and finishes, he is active on the offensive glass, he has a nice touch in the paint. He trails or fills the lane on breaks. He makes aggressive moves out of the post to draw fouls. When you can get points this many ways, its not hard to be productive offensively. I expect JJ to double JT in minutes, points and rebounds, and this may turn out to be a conservative estimate.

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by bench_blob on Dec 23, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Anything can happen, but predicting JJ will double Thompson in min, pts and rebs

Is far from conservative. In fact, statistically its a pretty far out prediction.

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by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 23, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I bet it happens too.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 23, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

JJ is twice as better than JT

JT is the same player he was 4 years ago, maybe more mediocre. His time is running out. He has yet to figure out his strengths maybe because he doesn’t have any and he is continuing to do the same mistakes over and over again. He, Garcia and Donte are players of the past and Kings need to move on if they want to become an upper echelon team. If was Petrie I would waive Garcia and offer AK a 3 year 33 million dollar contract. I would also trade, JT and Donte and maybe a protected pick for maybe Millsap

by LagunaKing on Dec 23, 2011 10:17 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Blob, I'm thinking this may be the last season you have to kick JT around

Two preseason games are insufficient evidence of the Kings future direction but JJ Hickson seems to do everything JT does but does it with more energy, aggressiveness and intensity. We’ll see.

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by Bluejohn on Dec 23, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like JT's perimeter game is far superior to Hickson's at this point.

And also that Jason is probably a bit better suited to play the 5. Still, a surplus of athletic bigs is a rare problem for us to have here. I would imagine that the players on the bubble to be out of the rotation or traded would be Greene & Garcia, and possibly even the heavily discounted Outlaw should Kirilenko or another intriguing offer be put out there.

I could see JT being a desirable piece for other teams, of course. His game has improved noticeably each year he’s been in the league, which was demonstrated last year when there were other physical bigs in the mix while he was on the court. I’d hate to lose him, given the way he’s rounded into such a solid rotation player, but I’d be silly to label him untouchable.

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by andy sims on Dec 23, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I take JJ over JT around the basket

I hate J.J.s jumper though, while JT is pretty accurate from the mid range. I also like JT’s defense better.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 23, 2011 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

JT is better at defense and the mid range J's...also passing

JJ is better at finishing near the rim and rebounding. Depends on what you value really.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 23, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

19 pts in how many minutes and playing what position?

JJ averaged less than 14 ppg and he took 11.7 FGA’s to get those points and last season playing 28mpg. Only 2.6 of those 13.8 pts came from beyond 9 ft. Now I seriously doubt that JJ sees 28 minutes in any game let alone average that many. Maybe he splits the PF minutes with Hayes, but I doubt it and he’s not getting any Center minutes behind Cousins and JT.

In the limited minutes he’s on the court with Cousins he might get set up for an easy basket, or clean up the glass off a Cousins miss. But, he’s going to have to battle on the offensive board with Cousins, JT and Chuck to get those put backs. That wasn’t a problem at the end of last season when his only competition was Ryan Hollins, and JJ was getting 35 mpg as a starter.

Is JJ a good player, of course. And, he has a nice running jump hook when he gets the ball in deep. But, like last season in the offense where we didn’t run any plays for the SF. This year we won’t run any plays for the PF.

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by HighTops on Dec 23, 2011 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

This is a flaw in your analysis, which I at least respect for being outspoken and independent of approval-seeking

Is that you look at stats and forecast a continuation of same, without any consideration of trends or intangible variables. The one constant in life is change, and so at least we must anticipate that.

Let me just raise a few points worthy of consideration:

JT played 4 years of college ball. JJ Hickson played 1 year at NC State. JT will turn 26 years old two months before JJ Hickson turns 24. Who is more likely to evolve as a player based on age and years of organized competition? This answer is obvious.

JJ Hickson has proclaimed himself as best PF in NBA. Now this is not true, of course. And a player needs to guard against cockiness or arrogance. But I will take this over a player who battles the refs constantly, and seems internally conflicted and uncertain as to what is capable of achieving on the court. What is a better predictor of success than the level of a players own self-belief? I want the guy on my team who believes he can be special, not the one who hopes and harbors self-doubt.

Look at the trends: JTs trend line in terms of production is flat to down in first three years in league (pts/rebs): (11/7) (12/8) (9/6) while being involved in more losing than almost any player in the league. JJ Hickson numbers have increased consistently (4/3) (9/5) (14/9) while playing on a couple of teams that went deep into the playoffs.

Based on age, trajectory, intangibles, and most importantly skill level, JJ Hickson projects as the superior player. I think this will be proven unequivocally in the months ahead.

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by bench_blob on Dec 23, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions  

And I would add

That JJ Hickson will find a way to score without plays being run for him, through offensive rebounding, being a trailer or lane filler on the break, and flashing into the lane to receive a pass and finish, etc.

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by bench_blob on Dec 23, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Your saying the same things about JJ's offensive game that I'm saying

But, your wishful thinking isn’t going to help JJ repeat his stats from last year. Is he going to beat out Hayes for the starting PF spot? Is he going to take away minutes from JT, Hayes, & Cousins at the center spot. I don’t think so, and I’m basing my opinion on the fact that he’s going to get 18-24 mpg as the backup PF.

Your not answering the question as to how many minutes he needs to be in double digit scoring. He’s not going to get 34 mpg like he did at the end of last season as a starter. His game has been inside 10ft, but on this team those shots will be made by DeMarcus. And, when DeMarcus isn’t on the floor, I’m not sure that JJ is going to even be the 4th option.

I wish I’d seen more improvement in JJ’s game but he hasn’t shown the ability to create for himself. So, based on my impression on how many minutes he’ll play, and how ofter he’ll have plays run for him, I don’t see him producing any more than JT did last season. So, we’ll just have to disagree until we get 30 games under or belt and see how things turn out.

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by HighTops on Dec 24, 2011 12:49 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Not wishful thinking,

Just logical inference based on qualitative and quantitative data that correlates most significantly to performance. I don’t know how many minutes JJ needs to play to score double digit, but I guarantee you he will.

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by bench_blob on Dec 24, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems backward. But I hope you’re right.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 25, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

What makes you think that when JJ comes in, Hayes won’t move over to C? Because Hayes, and to a lesser extent Cousins, are interchangeable at PF and C, I see Hickson and those other two as getting the VAST majority of minutes. I can’t see JT getting more than 10 minutes a game unless something drastic changes within him.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 23, 2011 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What the rotations will be, might change with heavy stretches of games.

And, lord knows I’ve never been able to guess what PW will do next. So, yes it’s just my WAG. But the main reason I believe it, is that JJ & Chuck would be the lowest scoring front line in the league. So, moving Chuck to center and playing JJ at the PF gives you a poorer rebounding and scoring option than JT at center and JJ at PF.

Without an injury in the front court, I think JTs experience in PW’s offense, his new found physique, and ability to play center should garner him most of the backup center minutes. In stretches where DeMarcus and Chuck have problems of fatigue due to back to backs, JT and JJ could see increased minutes. And, when they are on the court together, I can see them changing roles just like Dalembert and Cousins did last season. JT playing PF on offense and Center on Defense. That would allow JJ to pound the offensive glass for put backs and play the weak side shot blocker on defense.

JJ isn’t the defensive player the Hayes is and might not be better than JT offensively especially from the mid to long range jumper. He might not be as error prone at JT, but he’s not immune to mistakes like traveling call every time he starts his dribble. I’m not seeing PW changing his offensive philosophy, and based on past PF’s shot selection we could see JT getting more minutes using his outside shot to help clear the lane.

Until JJ improves his outside jumper and defense, he doesn’t offer more than JT unfortunately. And, prior to the season I see him averaging 8 & 8 in 20 mpg or there about.

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by HighTops on Dec 24, 2011 1:28 AM PST up reply actions  

caption:

First “Brockness Monster” then “Back in Black” and now with this Stephen King book cover no one will know I’m reading Twilight. Thanks Aykis, you’re full of great ideas!

by JohnSalmons19 on Dec 23, 2011 11:38 AM PST via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

Caption

“Hmmm, so new ideas that will haunt Jimmer enough to move on with me.”

As far as the record, I think a 500 record is passable 33-33, and a 40 win season is certainly possible if Tyreke embraces his role as a leader/defender/distributor/go to scorer. A difficult balancing act no doubt, but that’s the position of a franchise player. That’s the name of the game.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 23, 2011 11:43 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Let me redo my caption

“Hmmm, some new ideas that will haunt Jimmer enough to move in to that apartment with me.”

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by pookeyguru on Dec 23, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

If the Kings can go 13-18

through that brutal 20 of 31 games on the road (and we musn’t forget that) to start the season, we have a shot of coming on late.

A shot.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 23, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

That is one possibility for certain.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 23, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Win / Loss

30 – 36
And I think that’s our best case scenario. We’re going to show our “rough around the edges” look for the first couple of weeks, then start to get it going during a tough part of the schedule, but not enough to win consistently. I agree with many others, though, that after the mid way point we should see marked improvement and finish strong. Will it be enough to make the playoffs? Only if Tyreke and Cousins make a big leap this year and poop on my 30 win projection (which I am TOTALLY fine with…)

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by Sacto_J on Dec 23, 2011 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

over/under

Bodog.com has Kings wins over/under at 20.5. Vegas isn’t taking over/under bets this season due to uncertainty of player movement.

Not to promote gambling or anything, but I like the over on this bet. I’ll say 26-40, with heavy momentum heading into 2012-13 with new arena financing in place!

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by Rory Sparrow on Dec 23, 2011 12:04 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Caption and W-L

Caption: “I know that I just flipped to a random page, but boy, this Stephen King dude is messed up.”

Win-Loss: I’ll go 31-35, solid improvement vs. last year, and way over the Bodog.com over/under.

Other Predictions: PW keeps his job, new arena and overall Railyards plan/progress brings some much-needed positive press to Sactown in 2012, and we lure an A- level free agent to the Kings for ‘12-’13.

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by RJinFairOaks on Dec 23, 2011 12:15 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Welcome back GB & U and Nostradumbass. I'm lovin me some "wad of mass"

I’m predicting whatever 36 wins would be in this shortened season. Significant improvement but not massive improvement. I think we will drafting around 8th but since the ping pong balls seem to despise us who knows? If a lottery team could fall out of the lottery it’d be us when our ping pong balls simply refuse to fall.

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by Bluejohn on Dec 23, 2011 12:31 PM PST reply actions  

30-36

I just glanced at the schedule, and I can’t see us doing a whole lot better than that.

Being a young team with some roster turnover and with a short training camp, I think we are going to feel a lot of pain early in the season. If the team doesn’t come unglued by mid-February, I think we will start turning it around.

by markdog333 on Dec 23, 2011 1:24 PM PST reply actions  

27-28 wins

Seems about right to me. Not around here, but I’ve seen a couple of predictions in the (very) low 20s. I don’t think that will happen, but man that’s a low number!

by outrider on Dec 23, 2011 3:16 PM PST reply actions  

Regarding what to do to get big names here.

I think the only way we can get big names here is to trade for them. So Chris Paul didn’t have Sac as one of his “preferred” destinations. So what? You think CWebb wanted to come to Sac?

The only way this will work for us , is if we trade for a big name(cough Dwight cough) and they begrudgingly come to Sac. Then once they are here, they realize how awesome the fans are, the weather is, and how good it feels to be winning. I think the front office will have to take a risk at some point if they want to lure a big name in.

by chenp22 on Dec 23, 2011 4:20 PM PST reply actions  

The problem with trading for big name starters, if that you have to have players to trade.

With the amnesty clause and changes to the luxury and salary cap rules, having cap space to trade will lose some of it’s advantage. And, expiring contracts for big name players doesn’t work if the player doesn’t renew after the trade.

I think if you draft well and develop your young stars, other big stars look at you differently. CP3 saw a little more than the name LA before he agreed to the trade. He saw Blake Griffin, Jordon, and other key players.

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by HighTops on Dec 23, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Im cool with that,

We have Marcus, Tyreke, Dwight, and Jimmer. Tell Orlando to pick 1, and whatever other filler not named those 3, and maybe Dwight sees our team a little differently.

by chenp22 on Dec 23, 2011 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

24-42

I expect this team to be a lot more exciting than it was last year, though.

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by Juan Primo on Dec 23, 2011 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

I'm gonna go 35-31

25 wins at home and 10 on the road.

by Lotusprime on Dec 23, 2011 6:33 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

I applaud two things on this thread

The return of GB&U - Holiday and Pre-Season edition – double woo-hoo – and the optimism.

The Kings of Sacramento have gone 17, 25 and 24 these three seasons past (that is 66 wins – and please LPA check my math, you have “outed” my arithmetic before) which is an average of 22 wins or a .268 win percentage. Extrapolating to a 66 game schedule that would be an 18 win (48 loss) season.
Factoring in maturity of the young’uns (Evans, Cousins, Thornton) and the 4 yr college maturity of Mr. Fredette, and adding some stability at the 3 with Salmons (yes, he does give that) and with Francisco, the change in defense in the frontcourt (Haitian Sensation out, ChuckWagon In) The continued rebounding of JT and JJ with the added offensive rebound increase (JJ), the mini positive of Thomas over Pooh, the expected injury situation with Evans, Cousins, Garcia, (but I will not predict even one, not one! Technical foul on The Jimmer – maybe next year and he will not make DMC a “T”-totaler – but will help decrease the big man’s season total down to 11).

Okay, enough rambling that only I read; 23-43, .348 and last place in the Pacific Divsion.Sorry folks, if I am a downer.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 23, 2011 8:55 PM PST reply actions  

Not too many people here more pessimistic than I but at least I had them winning 40%

So, if we are last again and only improve by 5% over last season winning percentage, ’What do you think happens to PW?" And, what do you think needs to change to attain 50%?

Of course if your right, “Lottery here we come, again”.

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by HighTops on Dec 24, 2011 1:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey fellow night owl

I think this will be Coach Westphal’s last season as with my prediction – he improves the record in the percentage column but not in the number of wins and that number is all that will be used to evaluate him. The problem I always fear is – the replacement. I like Coach Paul and I feel he has been dealt a poor hand but with no significant improvement he understands the business well enough to know that the chances are slim and the thank you’s last only a day. If you were a top flight coach with a number of job openings and the Maloofs came calling, would you make this your “go to” destination? That means an up and comer and you get either Kurt Rambis or Tom Thibodeau (or a Momma Malinda thumbs upper – like say, Vinny Del Negro, not Jeff Van Gundy.)

Once again, I am a big fan of the lottery. I like the Kings headed to the lottery, particularly this year. There will be a lot of talent on the board and the NBA is a talent league – adding another piece is vital to the eventual improvement of the Kings. This summer has once again proven that the Kings only get the scraps even when the pickings are slim at the Free Agency table.

To add talent the Kings need to use the draft and make trades. And to make trades you need talent. And to lose enough to get a high draft pick means you lack talent. Topsy-Turvy or Turvy-Topsy is de rigueur for Sacramento. One can only hope (not bank on) the luck of the lottery draw eventually falling their way.

Do you really see this team going close to .500? I am really that off base?

by betweentheeyes on Dec 24, 2011 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

50%, not the way the current lineup is playing.

I think I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt putting them at 40%. This is still a jump shooting team, where you only have to defend the man with the ball and defend the passing lanes when he goes to the rim.

I have no idea what changes PW thinks he’s going to make in this lockout shortened season. He should have done a better job of getting the young players to play together during the 1st 2 years. So, while he might have gotten a bad break in his roster options and Tyreke’s injury and now the lockout. The fact that the 5 players that he puts on the court aren’t playing like a team, must fall on his shoulders.

There is no threat coming from the weak side. No movement, no screens, no one moving to the rim, so the only people you have to defend is the player with the ball and the closest big.

"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy

by HighTops on Dec 24, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

27-39

Since I’ve overbid the last 2 years, I’m going to be realistic. Every year the player talent level in the league gets better, so unless your team really gets better, it is unrealistic to think the product will really get better. But I believe we will take a step up from last year’s winning percentage.

by convoy on Dec 23, 2011 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

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