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Kings 100, Lakers 91: Marcus Thornton Beats Kobe Bryant At His Own Game

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If you're looking for a reason to get incredibly excited about what the Sacramento Kings can be -- not this season, but with this core at any point in the future -- then Monday's opening night 100-91 win over the L.A. Lakers was a hell of an offering. In the finite sense, it was a good win over a broken team. The Kings took the lead for good in the middle of the second quarter; it grew as large as 15 in the early fourth as the team's offense clicked and the defense held tough. There were dry spells -- a couple of long dry spells -- and there's always that pit in your stomach when those guys visit Sacramento. But it was a solid, solid win.

That's the game in a finite sense. If you're looking at it on the long view, it was a whole lot more.

Star-divide

Marcus Thornton was a complete ballbuster. He scored a team-high 27 points, 12 of those in the fourth quarter. Kobe Bryant edged Thornton by two points, but the Laker star shot 10-24 from the field. Thornton shot 9-13. Including free throws, Kobe needed 29 shooting possessions to get 29 points, Thornton needed 15 shooting possessions to get 27 points. Thornton was that much better than the former MVP.

Just about everyone got a turn on Kobe, but John Salmons handled the second half load and did a fine job. That's really what Salmons offered the team in his re-introduction: he provided defense and spot-up shooting. He did make forays into ball-handling, but that was quite limited as the team let Thornton, Tyreke Evans, Jimmer Fredette and Isaiah Thomas run the offense.

Evans was brilliant. He had a few offensive moves that were vintage Tyreke -- one second half drive and glide around Pau Gasol dropped my jaw. He was also strong on defense, helping well and staying all over his own man. He also shared the ball quite well, despite a low assist total (three) and perhaps most importantly didn't turn over the ball. His shooting stroke looked particularly clean, too ... and this is where you get extremely excited. If he can legitimately add an accurate jumper to his game, the Heavens can be reached by this backcourt.

DeMarcus Cousins had a rough first half marred by foul trouble, but he simply owned the third quarter. In the third, DMC had 10 points on 4-5 shooting with four rebounds and no turnovers; he showed a little of everything in the second half, from a baseline spin to a setback jumper to a vicious one-handed putback. Best of all, despite some aggravating foul calls, Cousins didn't seem to get aggravated. He got annoying, hustling after nominally loose balls and making life difficult for Pau Gasol. The box score isn't screamingly spectacular -- 12 points on 4-9 and 11 rebounds -- but he got the job done despite a bad start and foul trouble. That's blue chip stuff that this team needs from the big center, and the sort of effort that, if it comes consistently with some bigger nights mixed in, can get Cousins the right kind of notoriety.

Jimmer Fredette looked shaky at times in his debut, but made some lovely passes and jumpers. Stunningly, not one of his eight attempts came from behind the arc. He always went off the dribble to get into the lane and ended up shooting 3-8. He got caught a few times and had three turnovers. His defense didn't stand out in either direction, though Paul Westphal elected to have Jimmer guard Steve Blake and Isaiah Thomas guard Kobe Bryant when the Kings had a miniature lineup on the court (Thornton at small forward with Travis Outlaw and Chuck Hayes up front, seriously).

About Chuck: there's no question that this dude has made a wonderful impression on the other dudes in that locker room. We're getting a glimpse as to why. If you saw the game on TV, you'll have noticed that every single time Chuck was on the court and the camera closed in on a King during a dead ball, Hayes would invariably come into the picture to spread the good word. After Hayes himself drew a charge in the second quarter, he called over Jimmer, who had funneled the Laker into Chuck. Hayes congratulated Fredette with some colorful words. When Cousins drew a fourth quarter charge and celebrated, Chuck was right there, patting his ass. When Thornton hit an icy shot, Chuck was right there. I'm starting to think that the reason Chuck is so great is that there are three Chucks, and the three Chucks' greatest trick was making us believe that just one Chuck could do it all.

Bless these Kings. Bless them straight up to the skies.

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If the Kings play like this all year

I will be happy, win or lose (But I have a feeling that if they play this way all year it will be more win than lose).

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by Aykis16 on Dec 26, 2011 11:20 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

jimmer looked VERY tentative

other than that i have no issue with his performance.. i was surprised at how reluctant he was to shoot..

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 26, 2011 11:23 PM PST reply actions  

yes

after not impressing me in preseason he was great in this game.. very very quick,,

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by Eddie Gonzalez on Dec 26, 2011 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

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by tomroadrunner on Dec 27, 2011 6:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to the team.

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by iashwash on Dec 27, 2011 7:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course. Was just making a funny.

While I’d rather one of Reke or MT be on the floor at all times, I don’t see having the two rooks on the floor together for 2-3 minutes a game being much of a problem.

The bigger mistake imo, was having Salmons on Ron-Ron. He should’ve mirrored Kobe. Rest when he rests etc. Put Outlaw on Ron, if he can’t get it done go with JT or JJ. Someone that could deny him some position. You want Ron farther out trying to beat a bigger guy off the dribble, settling for step back jumpers, not posting up a smaller guy five feet from the basket.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the idea was keeping guys from wearing down chasing Kobe all game.

This is a long season, and managing minutes is even more crucial in a year like this one than it typically is.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

PW needs to find out what these guys can and can't do at sometime

And, while in hindsight I agree with you, going into the game we couldn’t have been sure. I made some comments about my concerns about Salmons defending the bigger and taller SF’s in the league earlier, but even after this game I don’t think we have the complete answer yet.

I’m also not sure that Outlaw was a good choice based on his size, and thought that Donte was a better choice defensively.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

How was 1 game going to provide a complete picture?

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

It can't and maybe even 20 games can't

especially if you don’t give the players consistent minutes for 20 games. Maybe you misunderstood my point, which is that PW couldn’t know for sure prior to the season. And, tried what he believed would be the best choice.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah and?

What you are saying is a given HT.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Jimmer's a rookie

playing his first REAL game. I suspect as Jimmer plays more he will get more comfortable and find his place in the offense and get to his spots and let those shots fly.

I am not worried about Jimmer or any of the team’s rookie. Last thing I want Jimmer to be is Mike Miller and pass up on open shots that he can no doubt drain.

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by kingme18 on Dec 27, 2011 6:56 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

It's kind of exciting to see this team play so well despite an underwhelming game from Jimmer.

Especially when you know that he’s capable of showing off some skills that he didn’t give you tonight (eg 3-point shooting). Shows you that this team has some margin for error – not everything has to go right all at the same time to get a win – and you know Jimmer’s going to have his turn to shine. This team’s going to look good when that happens.

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by napg on Dec 26, 2011 11:28 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

That's a great point

The Kings had a lot of margin for error tonight, just look at the boards, the free throws… we could have won by much more even.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 26, 2011 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Great write up, TZ

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by section214 on Dec 26, 2011 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

I don't think the Lakers are gonna have home court in the playoffs

If they even make it. They haven’t looked all that impressive in any of their games so far. Bynum will help shore up the D when he returns but they’re still missing efficient offense in a big way.

The Kings looked fantastic. As I said when I was watching “Man, Marcus Thornton is REALLY GOOD!”

by Deleran on Dec 26, 2011 11:29 PM PST reply actions  

Favorite radio caller on the ride home:

The guy that blamed the coaches for the 21-35 night from the line. Brilliant!

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by section214 on Dec 26, 2011 11:30 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Smokescreen

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by kwill on Dec 27, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Mabey some free throw shooting practice would help that

Its the coaches job to adress weaknesses in practice, I dont think it a shocker to anyone to know that that Kings need to work on thier FT%. So in a way the caller had a point, although its the players who are launching the FT bricks not PW.

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Weak sauce

These guys are shooting their free throws at practice. At some point you have to hold the players accountable. And if you are not going to hold them accountable at the free throw line – the one place where no plays are being run – then just where are you going to hold them accountable?

At-some-point-the-players-are-responsible-for-their-performance. The free throw line is 100% on them. Spare the coach bashing for where it makes some sense.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm also guessing that they've been a little busy

incorporating a lot of new guys, a new offense which I actually noticed(!)

The FTs were/are a concern but lets face it, that is one thing that is mostly on the players.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Mostly?

I didn’t realize Paul Westphal was shooting FT’s for them. Or Keith Smart. Or Jim Todd. Or Bobby Jackson. Or Jim Eyen.

It’s up to the players to work with the coaches to figure out a workable game plan. It’s up to the coaches to convince the players that this game plan will be the most effective. But hitting FT’s is the one thing that absolutely is 100% entirely square on the players.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Glad to see the kings do well

Marcus Thornton is a MANS man =)

by ap3604 on Dec 26, 2011 11:30 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

hayes is a animal

how many swipes did he have on shots that knocked the ball loose as i read in one article it doesnt show up in the stats as a blocked shot cuz it is while the guy is bringing the ball up from his waist, i saw 5-6 of them. evens looked good at first with his shots then went back to the fade away j in the second half grr! man if cuz can ever stay out of foul trouble it would be awsome but he did complain some with the ref’s that dont help! thomas=awsome for a late round pick GO KINGS WAS A GREAT GAME

by kings 4 ever on Dec 27, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Rise the hot hand fella

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Great night!

Love that it was the hated Lakers they took down too. Makes it all the sweeter. And love that Kobe was so pissed about it.

“It’s not a rivalry,” Kobe Bryant said. “We beat them every year. Oh my God. I don’t care if they beat us tonight. I like (Kings owners Joe and Gavin Maloof). I hope they enjoy this.”

by athletics68 on Dec 26, 2011 11:40 PM PST reply actions  

Kobe is a clown

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by Ninja King on Dec 26, 2011 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless you mean that Kobe is

Kinko, the Kid loving clown, ALA Dr. Demento. I’d buy that.

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by killerking on Dec 27, 2011 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what I'd say to the ladies:

If you HAVE to say we’re not in a relationship, we’re OBVIOUSLY in a relationship!

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

(I kid)

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

that pissed me off every time they showed joe and gavin

cheering like they love this team and this city i hate them! the only reason they were so happy cuz they are seeing dollar signs with wins

by kings 4 ever on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Great team win

Everyone looked good. John Salmons does great things one minute & then drives you crazy the next with bad shot selection & not making the extra pass. Marcus Thornton is a superstar. Tyreke played great. Jimmer played well despite not pulling the trigger on several outside looks. Cousins is a much smarter player now. Hayes was huge. I loved what I saw from everyone. We can play with anyone.

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by Ninja King on Dec 26, 2011 11:41 PM PST reply actions  

I've noticed a more serious tone from PW this season

He is really pushing the guys now to show what they are truly made of, I like it

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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 26, 2011 11:44 PM PST reply actions  

two notes:

-I too was very impressed with Hayes when he encouraged Jimmer after Hayes drew that charge. Jimmer was obviously a little tentative this game, and I loved the leadership of Hayes to make a point of encouraging him. He’s going to have a great effect on the team this year.

-Cousins seems to have grown up a ton since we drafted him, and it’s really fun to watch. He plays with so much passion, and I loved the way he hustled tonight.

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by kingsforaday on Dec 26, 2011 11:45 PM PST reply actions  

ok and one more

-I loved how much I saw the pick-and-roll run tonight by the Kings. I thought that really helped us to get some open shots. It’s incredible what this teams looks like when they run some plays! (and hit open shots)

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by kingsforaday on Dec 26, 2011 11:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You have two of my top 5 moments

The Hayes/Jimmer play really stood out for me. It’s the type of leadership and teamwork that this team has been missing for some time. And, it’s why Hayes is worth every penny.

The Jimmer/DeMarcus pick & roll was another of my top moments, even though Cousins wasn’t able to finish.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Remind me of the Hayes/Jimmer play.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

With 35 secs left in the 1st half, Jimmer was on Fisher

Fisher drove around Jimmers left but Hayes stepped up and Fisher dropped like a rock after running into Chuck. The refs rightfully called a charge on Fisher, and a timeout was called. As they walked off the court, Hayes walked up to Jimmer, put his hand on his back and said something to him.

I couldn’t see Jimmer’s face, but it seemed to be a strong bonding moment. I got the impression that Hayes told Jimmer to keep doing his best and that Hayes had his back. Although in retrospect, he could have been telling him to move his skinny white ass and stay in front of his man.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LOL.

Leaders need to talk to different people in different ways.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

What a great game!

Seeing the Kings play this well was so fun!! I’m still terrified of making the playoffs and losing a first round pick in this year’s stacked draft, but I’m slowly feeling better about it. Wins are fun.

by Kyle_B on Dec 26, 2011 11:48 PM PST reply actions  

So glad the Hayes stuff worked itself out

He looks like he might be a great influence in the locker room. Also, anyone who beats the Lakers is my best friend. Woot!

by BassBall on Dec 26, 2011 11:51 PM PST reply actions  

That was a fun game

Thornton looked fantastic, at times seemingly scoring at will.

Cousins did a great job of making an impact, especially on the glass despite working through foul trouble.

I also liked that the Kings have a lot of depth (they went 11 deep I believe).

And while Jimmer did look a bit cautious, I do like that he didn’t try and force his shot. I’m sure that as the season progresses he’ll become more aggressive.

All in all a really solid and fun game.

by Gobroks on Dec 26, 2011 11:52 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

We really looked like a perimeter team on a good shooting night.

We host 46% and 50 from 3.
Lakers shot 42 and 6 !!! percent from 3.

I worry about the bad decisions/shot selection of Salmon, Reke, Outlaw, and Cousins. But Reke let the game come to him, when he shares, he’s much better.

And I think Jimmer and Hayes add some bball smartness to the mix. I liked how the entire team was huddling up and talking a lot more tonight then I remember. Good communication can only help.

We have a lot to improve on—but solid start. Are rooks look exciting. Isiah breaks em down on the floor, Jimmer in the air.

by VirginiaBlue on Dec 26, 2011 11:57 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

The Suns have had a good 3pt shooting team for years and how many championships have they won?

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I suppose that you could have said Dallas instead of Phoenix,

but the responding answer would have been different than what you were looking for.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

If you look closely

If you look closely at the picture you posted you can see MWP looking back as if wishing he had never left. Remembering what it was like to be on a team.

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by 1damutt on Dec 27, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

If you look even closer

You can see that Tyreke does not have the muscular definition he used to. That is going to effect how he gets to the rim. He looks like he’s put on 10 lbs. But it could just be the lighting.

by kurtis22 on Dec 27, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Just right click on the pic, thats what I did

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by 1damutt on Dec 27, 2011 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

It's from Pookey?

Is that why they call it a TWITpic?

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually I just linked to it from nba.com.

But yes that’s why they call it a TWITpic you fuckhead.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

That's why I don't link to pics

fuckheadpic doesn’t have that nice ring to it.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course it doesn't.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

What's with you

…and your nearly-constant attempts at baiting other members into an argument? I know that you’ve “been around” here for a long time, but surely there must be better things to do in Korea.

by J Ryan on Dec 27, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Please email me if you have site moderation concerns.

pookey and kfan are friends and they are just kidding with each other.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

And I'm sure

that kfan will be flagging this comment for me insinuating that he is friends with pookey.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Screw you - maybe I will

maybe I won’t!

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Screw you for screwing him!

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Just screwing with him

I’m not looking to bait anyone into an argument. I can see where you might see it that way, so sorry about that. If you assume any comment I make is a joke first, you’ll be right 99% of the time.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Neither of us took either comment seriously.

We’ve known each other too long and too well. Party on folks!

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

This is now on Kings.com as a wallpaper

And you can get them in various resolution sizes. Here’s the link.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 27, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions  

A decent win on a Laker back-to-back. I don't know why people are "disappointed" with

Fredette. He gave a good accounting of himself against a still-formidable team as a ROOKIE IN HIS FIRST REGULAR-SEASON GAME. However, when the Lakers turned up the heat, he got caught in their web as did Thomas. The Kings will need to work on their offense alot more and get some sets in there if the intend to have a winning season. But on the whole, a promising start.

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by Natomaser on Dec 27, 2011 12:09 AM PST reply actions  

What I noticed

What I noticed about Jimmer is one huge glaring flaw. He jumps to pass and gets caught in air. This has to be corrected immediately. Did anybody else notice it?

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by 1damutt on Dec 27, 2011 12:16 AM PST reply actions  

Rookie habit he'll need to get over

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by edm7 on Dec 27, 2011 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

The other one he'll get over

is his tendency to pick up his dribble for no apparent reason

35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.

by ElRonToro on Dec 27, 2011 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not worried about him

As rookie home debuts go – pretty solid.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

+1

I think he’ll learn from having those 2 shots blocked/stolen from behind. If he’s going to dribble off the close-out and then put up his shot, he needs to be quicker or create more space.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 11:59 AM PST up reply actions  

It certainly looks like he'll find ways to get his shot off

has good passing skills and he didn’t look awful on D either. Needs a little more work on ball handling though. He’s still fighting (and will for a while) the whole ‘rookie doesn’t want to step on anyone’s toes’ thing.
Terrible call against him on that charge.
He does need to let it fly just a few more times a game and then he’ll have a really good rookie year.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

His range will actually help him get open shots

Defenders have to close out hard when he’s open on the perimeter, so he can do that single dribble, step in and take the open jumper from 18-20 feet.

Just from watching him move, I have a hard time believing he’ll have trouble scoring effectively in the league.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

He's already very Beno-esque

with better range – which is a nice place to start.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Noticing the minutes played by our starters, none of them exceeded 36 minutes.

Portland saw Matthews and Aldridge play 40 and 41 minutes, respectively. On a back-to-back, that is definitely going to wear on them.

Jamal Crawford only got 21 minutes with the team going 10-deep. I’m interested to see how he is used against us with Matthews tired from tonight. He’s their X-factor coming into the game against us tomorrow night, but I think we can handle him as long as we play as well defensively as we did tonight judging by Kobe’s inefficiency.

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by Schneezel on Dec 27, 2011 12:23 AM PST reply actions  

A couple of things

The Positives:
Donté was very effective for his one minute (+2!)
The starting backcourt scored well and often (47)
The starting frontcourt, the 4/5, had 20 rebs
Have to love the rooks – Jimmer’s first half was great, It’s IT second half was a treat
The team weathered the storm. They were outplayed on the 17-4 run and then Lil’ Buckets took over when we all expected them to crumble (including the Lakers)
DMC has to have the quickest feet of a 285 lb male in the history of basketball
The Negatives:
60% FT shooting
16 assists
Other than Boogie and Purple Hayes, JJ and JT were the No Jays. Nearly invisible.
Outrebounded by a small Laker frontline.

Nice win, nice energy.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 27, 2011 12:25 AM PST reply actions  

Bring that to Portland and we'll get the W there too.

Like tonight, our bench has much more talent than Portland. We could pull away from them early on and employ the same gameplan that won tonight’s game.

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by Schneezel on Dec 27, 2011 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I would love for improvement from the free-throw line

But I think at that rate we could still win tomorrow night. But yes, lets please be >70%

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by Schneezel on Dec 27, 2011 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

another positive I forgot to mention

The Kings won the first 3 quarters, and only lost the 4th by 5. That is a great way to start the year as the guys didn’t win very many quarters the last two seasons.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 27, 2011 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think your giving JJ the credit he deserves.

He didn’t have an outstanding game by any means, but he did crash the boards and make some great hustle plays.

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by Shizzo on Dec 27, 2011 12:30 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I totaly agree

I think JJ put out great effort

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by 1damutt on Dec 27, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn't see it as effective energy. Gasol scored easily during that stretch and MWP most of the time, against everyone

I expect more and I expect him that he will deliver. One game is not fair to judge, but for this one game he was a place holder and not much more.

by betweentheeyes on Dec 27, 2011 12:40 AM PST up reply actions  

It was the first game and a win - so I'm giving a pass

but I agree that it was unfocused

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

MWP abused Outlaw when he was in there. JJ was hustling all over the court, for example when he out ran Troy Murphy to the other end of the court and forced the turnover. Of everyone that played, I was most dissapointed w/ Outlaw

by shaydbrayd on Dec 27, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Outlaw was pretty decent.

He was active on d, made some open jumpers, ran out for the fast break.
It’s not his fault he had to guard Ron. I think only Chuck could have defended Ron in the post, and he was busy with Gasol.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Stealing those points...

…was something. Something that this team never did last season.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 10:34 AM PST up reply actions  

The spin move between two defenders was awesome

ass was beating Murph down the court for the long pass.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the grab by Outlaw off the outlet pass from the Chuckwagon...

…was actually the better play.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

One thing you can count on with MWP

Is that you can’t count on that every night.

I’m guessing that will be one of his best games of the year.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

JJ is that hustle guy

But the same was said about JT when he was a rookie. The Kings are going to need more out of JJ than just hustle, and I’m afraid that he’s not capable of giving us that YET.

Being the start of the season and with the short preseason and training camp, I’ll give everyone a pass for the first 10-12 games. But, I was most disappointed in Outlaw and JJ so far.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

We've seen JJ in three games, once for real

He looked pretty damn good in the 2nd pre-season game and very mediocre in the other two.

We need that 2nd pre-season game more focused effort. As BTE said here somewhere above all that energy was unfocused.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought Outlaw was solid

Didn’t like one of his shots, but the fast break finish was great, and the shot he blocked was outstanding. I was disappointed in Jason Thompson…only seven minutes, but he literally made no impact.

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by CaliforniaJag on Dec 27, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree

He had one really ill advised shot that got him called back to the bench, but you have to appreciate the enrgy

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by ElRonToro on Dec 27, 2011 12:42 AM PST up reply actions  

PW had something to say to him about that shot.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Really just out rebounded off the bench

Our starters outrebounded thiers. I’m still not sure how that happened an don’t think it’s acceptable but – hey it’s a win in game #1.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd add Outlaw to that list with JJ and JT

although in JT ’s defense he only got 7 minutes.

But, on a positive note, only 11 turnovers. We had 9 in a quarter against GS.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously...

Look at that lack of arm definition. It’s really disheartening to see how he let himself go during this off season. I think it’s time we start to think about trading him.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2011 7:12 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

That block was huge

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by Exhibit G on Dec 27, 2011 6:50 AM PST up reply actions  

The Kings Reked last night.

Must be cuz Sacto’s got that fire!

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Or velcro'd to him

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 8:44 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I believe that's Marcus Thornton

I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature "I was wrong about the Jimmer."

by drex783 on Dec 27, 2011 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

This would be a great photo for the next caption contest

The Kings Siamese twins attached at the ass.

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by SayWhat? on Dec 27, 2011 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

In other news, the world champion Mavs gave up 20 points straight tonight to Denver

Amazing how fast they’ve fallen… If they keep this kind of basketball up, the Western Conference just opened up even more.

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by Schneezel on Dec 27, 2011 12:32 AM PST reply actions  

Really strange things could happen this season

which is why I can’t rule out the Kings making the playoffs, or even doing absolutely terrible

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by edm7 on Dec 27, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions  

One big takeaway from tonight

Only one game (2 if we count preseason) but there was minimal, if any, complaining to the refs by DMC. even when he found himself in foul trouble he just took the calls and moved on. That was great to see and, to a degree, even better than the actual contributions that show up in the box score.

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by edm7 on Dec 27, 2011 12:33 AM PST reply actions  

There was the one sequence

where he did get fouled and it wasn’t called and he stayed on the floor with an incredulous look on his face, when he should have gotten back on D. Luckily Chuck came up with a huge block. That was about the only truly bad DMC moment though.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 27, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Can't blame him.

It was a terrible call. There was no foul on the play.

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by PhutureKings on Dec 27, 2011 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

That was a craaaazy call

just two big guys jostling (not teven that much) to keep position, nothing happened at all.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't that Classic Vlade?

If our team with DMC is as good as it is with Vlade, we’re going to be loving life. Especially life without Tim Donaghy and Dick Bavetta!

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by killerking on Dec 27, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I LMAO

When DMC sat on the floor with his legs spread wide clapping his hands when he got the foul called

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by 1damutt on Dec 27, 2011 12:38 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

That would be awesome.

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by Juan Primo on Dec 27, 2011 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Make it so its the next Carl Landry editable photo..We should be able to get a lot out of that

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by Widowwolf on Dec 27, 2011 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

It may have to be a Chenp request

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by prowseinthehouse on Dec 27, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

DMC was underappreciated in the writeup

The lull from the tentative 2nd-3rd (let’s play anyone on the bench since we got the Lakers down by 14, PW, oh wait make that 5) team around the 14-7 min left mark was filled by the pure hustle of DMC. The nagging annoying no stop hustle was probably even overrewarded by the officials. That and MT23 pure daggerniss was teh difference.

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by bringbackbuddytrees on Dec 27, 2011 12:38 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Cousins went into beast mode last in the game. We kept position two different times after missed freethrows strictly because of his hustle. He was playing his heart out down the stretch.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2011 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

You should see what they're saying on Silverscreenandroll

about DMC just outworking, outmuscling Gasol.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

He reminded me a little bit of Dennis Rodman

with his tenacity down the stretch. If he can combine that with his mad skills yet ultimately keep his composure we’ve got something very special in Boogie.

by kurtis22 on Dec 27, 2011 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

The prize will be

when other players are compared to him.

I really believe that day will come – but we’ll see.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally agree

His hustle over “nominal” loose balls was one of the most important aspects of that game because he kept up that same intensity throughout. His effort was phenomenal. If he continues to play like that all year, us Kings fans should be excited.

by Blue Dog on Dec 27, 2011 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Great game tonight

Love the Hayes signing. A player like him will do wonders to make this theam develop. I also love how DMC was a target of the lakers, always throwing two guys at him and trying to make him mentally break and he just responded with more hustle and a stronger showing. I’ll be at the game tomorrow night with a bunch of friends that have to wear kings jerseys. Can’t wait to see the kings come to Portland and smack the blazers in the mouth like they did the lakers tonight.

by Merickel on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I loved the low TO numbers (11)

MT was amazing, DMC was as great in the 2nd half as he struggled in the 1st. The Chuck Wagon was excellent. Reke and Salmons had very good games, was especially happy with Reke’s 0 TOs. I liked what Outlaw brought. It got a little shaky in the 4th, but we closed it out well.

Great win. Let’s make it a double tomorrow night.

OT. Just finishing up watching the OKC-Minny game, Rubio with at least 4-5 great passes, Williams looks good too.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 12:59 AM PST reply actions  

And one

Wonder how Hollinger likes his crow? That MT signing is looking really bad right now.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 1:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Thornton just had a good game

He’s still awful. Tyreke’s awful and obese. Jimmer’s the worst player in the NBA draft. Arco wasn’t a black out, it was a red flag out with Cousins on the floor

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2011 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Kobe looked great

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH MY HANDS!!!

Sorry, I got excited. I really loved what I saw out there tonight from both the team and the fans. What Chuck Hayes did tonight…wow…I just don’t think I can begin to explain how impressed I am with him. Oh yeah, anyone want to tell me the Kings overpaid for Marcus Thornton after tonight.

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by kfipp on Dec 27, 2011 1:16 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

The Kings overpaid for Marcus Thornton

I don’t actually believe it, but I just felt like telling you that.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2011 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Uh...

Too much information?

:-P

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by napg on Dec 27, 2011 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Simple

Rise the hot hand!

by Bill2 on Dec 27, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

The sports news here is shite

The vision of the game was essentially a k*be highlight package. They finally got around to showing the Kings, but cut the vision before Marcus’ money shot left his hands.

As for the game, I am happy to report the Kings lived up to the ‘best case scenario’. There were some silly mistakes, but nowhere near the last couple of seasons – which is awesome considering the err… interesting preseason the Kings have had.

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by Crazy King Man from OZ on Dec 27, 2011 1:55 AM PST reply actions  

NBA tv

Highlights were ALL about #24, and then “oh yeah, but the Kings won…”
No mention of how we did it though. Stupid.

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by Sacto_J on Dec 27, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Congrats

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by AndyHogan14 on Dec 27, 2011 2:03 AM PST reply actions  

This is a little OT

But did anyone else notice Adrienne trying to use the kings to sell her stupid fucking shoes? Its on the kings youtube and Grant & Jerry talked about it. I hope she doesn’t sell a fucking pair.

by X_47 on Dec 27, 2011 2:30 AM PST reply actions  

LOL

I like that they disabled the comments section on kingsflix.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2011 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Kobe

Can anyone find kobe’s interview after the game on video?

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by cwebbisboss1 on Dec 27, 2011 2:38 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Great team win

I may be in the minority, but I thought Jimmer’s debut was fine. He wasn’t a real liability on the defensive end, and I don’t think the offensive side of things will be in question – you can tell he errs on the side of “team player” almost to a fault. Go ahead and release those wide open threes, young man!

Tyreke was so impressive on the defensive side of the ball – and I think his value as a defender gets overlooked by his critics quite often. Nice to see only a few instances of him taking the air out of the ball (Salmons as well).

DMC absolutely owned the Lakers late in the game. His energy was too much for their old legs.

Isaiah Thomas was eye opening last night. Even being stuck defending Kobe, he held his own.

This team’s going to be tough in a compressed season – the Lakers lack of depth was glaring in contrast to the Kings ability to throw out a chain of fresh, talented players all game long.

Oh, and Matt Barnes is still a douche, and if MWP didn’t get hot there for a stretch the Kings would have won this by 20.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 5:34 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Gotta love one game samples

Marcus Thornton: PER: 34.5, Offensive rating of 149
Isaiah Thomas: PER: 21.2, Offensive rating of 145

MVP and ROY anyone?? :)

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 5:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree on all counts.

It was very nice to see Tyreke playing his good defense last night.

I HATE Matt Barnes, and have since he was in high school. The dude is a flat-out thug.

by Hoops Mike on Dec 27, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

How do you guys feel about Cisco

Not getting any burn? Are we just too filled at the swingman positions for him to get much run?

by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 27, 2011 5:51 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I feel like we have a real deep bench

last year when Cisco got hurt we had to play Head. This year we don’t even have to play Cisco.

by Rambaldi on Dec 27, 2011 6:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't care at all.

And I like Cisco.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 10:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Not unexpected, he's not the defender he once was.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Nineresque

I draw parallels between the Kings and the Niners…both with stacks of young talent, and now, accumulated depth…and both, with a new lease on life, one in the form of a real coach, and the other, “Here We Stay!”. I believe that the Kings can compete, cosistently, with any team in the league…They need only to stay focused, and continue to improve. They could actually make some noise this season. The Niners, well, who would’ve thunk…they might even play in the Superbowl, THIS YEAR! I like the comparison. Jimmer will be fine…no worries mate.

by JimmernyCricket on Dec 27, 2011 6:17 AM PST reply actions  

I love your name.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Great write up, TZ

And what a great game.

This is the type of game that makes you excited. We got to see all the little pieces come together. Some thoughts:

-My goodness Tyreke’s jumper looks smooth. I hope it looks like that every night. If he consistently shoots like that, the league is in trouble.
-Every time the offense started to stagnate, Chuck would appear. Movement off the ball, setting screens, all those little things that didn’t happen last season.
-Perhaps inspired by Chuck, the Kings did a much better job of moving off the ball.
-Tyreke’s defense looked better, but he still needs to work on fighting through screens.
-I loved the way Cousins and Hayes frustrated Gasol all night. Absolutely loved it. Towards the end of the game it was all DMC, and Gasol was clearly rattled.
-Jimmer looked very, very nervous. I expect that he’ll settle in and be just fine.
-Buckets, man. Buckets.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 27, 2011 6:57 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

I still hate Tyreke's form on his fake like he's going to cross over, but pull up for a shot

That’s pretty much the only shot he was taking last night that I didn’t think looked much improved. The ball is at least not coming from behind his head anymore on it, but he’s still fading like Jordan for no reason what-so-ever.

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2011 7:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't care about his form

As long as it’s falling

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by Exhibit G on Dec 27, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

From where I was sitting (Sec. 211) it looked

as if there were a couple of occasions when Tyreke reverted to his habit of falling back when attempting a shot. Fine when you’re 5 ft from the basket, but not when you’re 18 ft away. Other than that he was very good.

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by SayWhat? on Dec 27, 2011 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the two go hand and hand

If he straightens up, it starts to go in with more regularity.

I agree, I don’t care much about form if it goes in. However, if it’s not going in. I 100% care about form, because the two tend to go hand in hand

by HeuristicLineup on Dec 27, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I won't disagree with you there

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by Exhibit G on Dec 27, 2011 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

amazing game

So many things to comment on, most covered already. But what impressed me actually was the offense. Not perfect, but it looked nothing like the offense we ran last year. I loved it. And then the defense was incredible. I’ll take holding the lakers to 90 points all day.

Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.

by darkadun on Dec 27, 2011 7:08 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Rec'd

— Salmons for his defense on Kobe
— Reke for his defense
— DMC for playing a great second half – it was worth it just to see him get under someone else’s skin (Gasol)
— Thornton for shooting the lights out
— Jimmer for getting the first one out of the way, against the Lakers yet, and doing ok
— Captain Chuck for everything, especially for showing his teammates what it means to be a basketball player
— Paul Westphal for being a very good coach. It’s amazing how much better he looks when he is actually coaching a team full of legitimate NBA players

by kinglet on Dec 27, 2011 7:54 AM PST reply actions  

!00% agreed

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

100! damn it!

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't sure what we would see, but I love his leadership.

It was great seeing Pau try to back him up for a shot and the Chuckwagon wouldn’t budge!

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Dec 27, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL @ Whirl Pea's

Rec’d for that alone.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I know this was discussed when they signed Chuck

The man sets a perfect screen almost every time. I was extremely impressed with our gaurd penetration, and almost all of it came from a awesome Chuck Hayes pick.

Everyone looked unselfish for most of the game other than a few possessions when the D picked up and the offense got stagnate. Overall good ball movement and balance.

DMC looked like he was having a blast in the 4th and really got the fans going. There was one point when he was shooting his second free throw where you could tell he was trying not to smile, but he couldn’t help it and let it slip. Way to keep it together despite the fouls and win the game big man!

by Crocoduck on Dec 27, 2011 8:00 AM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

This

I noticed this in the preseason games, that we did not set one single pick with any kind of authority. JT couldn’t do it, Greene wasn’t doing it, and JJ really didn’t set any solid picks either. Chuck really helped a ton on the offensive end with this one move and it made the offense look (for once) fluid…

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by Sacto_J on Dec 27, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

And hopefully it catches on with the other bigs.

Cousins is a quick learner

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Cousins learned much from Sammy last year

Chuck is going to teach him how to play the big man’s game. All the little things that Cousins already seems to ‘know’ instinctively but hasn’t been able to consistantly integrate. Chuck is a fundamentals monster.

I’m very excited because early returns seem to be that Chuck is a guy players listen to.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Quietly this team is entirely new

Of the players who played 10+ minutes last night, only 3 of 9 were on our roster last year. When JT, Cisco, and Donte play a combined 8 minutes, you realize what an upgrade we’ve made in talent.

by sactown on Dec 27, 2011 8:01 AM PST reply actions  

Wow, is all I can say after last night. Our depth is the best we have had in some time. Was surprised to see IT getting early burn but showed great poise. Am loving this team.

by VirginiaKingsFan on Dec 27, 2011 8:03 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Bigger test tonight IMO

Young team on the road in a loud building on a back-to-back.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 8:28 AM PST reply actions  

yup

let’s GET ITTTTTT

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by Shizzo on Dec 27, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

J's Take

The new competitive fire is BRILLIANT. No more whining (we let Kobe do all that last night, it was awesome!) and no more sulking, just fired up basketball.
The depth is impressive, though we’re not very tall. Despite this, we frustrated the crap out of Gasol all night. He was fluid early then had to play out of his comfort zone thanks to a healthy dose of DMC and Chuck. The height factor could be a problem against “bigger” teams, but we seem to be able to compensate so far.
Tyreke has MAD handles and MT23 aka Mac Buckets aka Honey Badger doesn’t give a shit if you defend him cuz he’s a hungry little bastard.
Jimmer was tentative last night, but he played within the context of the offense, didn’t force anything, made good decisions for the most part (for a rookie, especially) and played respectable defense. A solid piece to the puzzle so far.
The Lakers will be a playoff team, they almost took that game last night, they just couldn’t hang with our energy. We played them tough, aggressive, and didn’t back down when they threw a couple of good punches. I like the composure and attitude of our boys so far, the chemistry is looking good (from section 202 last night, merry Christmas to me!!!)

...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...

by Sacto_J on Dec 27, 2011 8:49 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

We'll see tonight how tall we play

LaMarcus Aldridge should pose a major problem for Chuck. As will Gerald Wallace for Salmons. And the Camby vs DeMarcus matchup should be interesting. Size vs Talent.

But, Spencer Hawes almost had a triple double last night with 10 pts, 14 rebs and 9 assts.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 1:07 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Are you pining

for Spencer Hawes…lol
Funny you mention that, I was telling my buddy at the game last night that I’d almost like to see Hawes back just to add some height to the roster. Then I remembered his penchant for being posterized. Our lack of size seriously concerns me, we’re going to be playing the Size v Talent game all year. I guess the good news is that we definitely have talent =)

...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...

by Sacto_J on Dec 27, 2011 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Knowing the Kings are on the upswing in this league is awesome!

Knowing the Lakers are on the downswing is (almost) even better!

Go Kings.

Ba-da

by Ba-Da Bing on Dec 27, 2011 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

This “almost” should not be in parenthesis.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Was surprised to see...

Tyreke with 0 turnovers, that was nice. Was also shocked to see him knock down a three ball, however his FT% was Shaq-like and once he made that 3 he was jacking up bricks the rest of the night. Also I was surprised to see Jimmer hesitate on the 3pt line as well. Anyhow glad to see the Kings win, but I still think we need a true PG to compete against the elite teams, go Kings!

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

lols

They call it “conventional wisdom” for a reason, its been proven correct over the years. “Unconventional wisdom” is unconventional for a reason, not many people think its the way to build a team. You dont have to look far to see sports writters and analysists who agree with me.

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Not many people think "what" way is a way to build a team?

And most sports writers and analysts have as much clue as you, me or anyone else around here. You find one that agrees with you, I’ll find one that doesn’t.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Not just one writter....

I havent seen one non sacramento home town writter suggest that Tyreke is a starting PG in the NBA. I guess you dont read much about the Kings except from the Bee and this website, where suggesting something needs to be changed on the team is called “trolling” lol.

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Links?

Do you think the only way for a team to win a championship is to have a “traditional” PG? If so, Derek Fisher would like to have a talk with you.

Fact – Tyreke IS a starting PG in the NBA. I assume you mean he “shouldn’t be” a starting PG in the NBA?

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

And 1

I’ve yet to see you mention the defensive side of the ball in your critiques of Tyreke. How many “traditional” point guards make that block and steal on Fisher during crunch time?

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

My only beef with Rekes defense is that

some plays he is sulking about a lack of foul call and leaves the team to play 4vs5 on the defensive end. Seeing this every game so far this season isnt a good sign, games are won and lost by as little as one point on a nightly basis in the NBA, you cant be giving away points.

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Every game?

Ok, then.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Your not surprised to see a sub %30 3pt shooter nail one?

And not surprised to see the best shooter in the NCAA last year hesitate on an outside shot? I find this hard to believe. Why is it a preconcieved notion that Tyreke cant shoot the ball? The numnbers dont lie dude.

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke Evans > Vince Carter

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

He's 22

Isn’t it preconceived that most guards shoot the three better the older they get?

Fact is, Tyreke’s % from the arc improved last season, even in a down year for him overall. If he doesn’t see increased accuracy over time, then you can crow.

As it is, a 1 for 3 night isn’t all that bad, and it isn’t like he jacked up a ton of shots.

But I understand how nuance wouldn’t fit in a black-or-white world.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

your right 33% is a big increase for Tyreke, what was I thinking,

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

So you're admitting to small sample size when it comes to his three point percentage last night

Yet, you use his other “failures” in the team’s first game as proof of your point of view?

I know I’m repeating myself, but you’re really really bad at this.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:20 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Holy cow

We are talking about last night’s game.

You ok?

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Mostly, but then you started talking about numbers from seasons gone by

You can clearly see in the posts above that you made reference to past seasons stats. Now your wondering why we are talking about them?

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Look at the post you replied to

You ok?

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's the thing

You see last night’s game as “more of the same” from Tyreke. I’m just trying to figure out how that can be.

There were a few times he pounded the ball, or drove into the teeth of the defense without a plan, but I also see zero turnovers plus some inspired defense and an improvement on his shooting form.

You may be right long term about Tyreke, I just disagree with your use of last night’s game to make your point.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough,

Like I said I like the 0 turnovers alot, so even if thats the only thing we agree on /cheers.
Im looking forward to tonights game with Portland, hopefully our young legs are > than thier old kinees in portland ^^

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions  

By the way

Jimmer and Isaiah are going to get their minutes at the point this year even if Tyreke plays a lot at the point. And little chance the organization would dare, even if things go down the crapper for him, think of moving him prior to the next draft. Basically, these three guys are the guys right now and for the rest of the year. After the season is over though, come what may but we got a long ways to go so might as well get comfortable.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually 1 for 3 is just fine. 33% on 3s equals 50% shooting from 2.

If you can hit at least 33% of your 3s, it’s okay to take them. That’s where he needs to get. If he can hit a third of them, the defense won’t be able to lay off him so far.

33% is about where LeBron got to and Wade never got there, but they hit enough of them to keep the defense honest.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

LeBron takes too many 3's IMO.

Always has.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

4 a game. 3 would be better.

For reference, Reke is at 2.2 for his career.

by Kfan in Korea on Dec 27, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Right.

That, and LeBron fades in & out of games are the biggest problems with him. He should dominate the NBA for the next 8 years, but I doubt he does. He just doesnt have that gene for whatever reason. Or he hasn’t shown it yet.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

Can’t trust him when the game is on the line. That was never more evident than on Dirk’s lefty layup. Watch where LeBron’s standing and then tell me the plan wasn’/t for LeBron to double Dirk as he soon as he took 2 dribbles. LeBron James just watches Dirk Nowitzki get a lefty layup with a bad hand. That is exactly why I hate LeBron James. Not for Game 4 (although that’s just yet another bitch performance by Bron Bron) necessarily, but an area of the game where LeBron keeps Miami from losing. I love how Jeff Van Gundy says “I think the Heat were late to help here”. That’s code for LeBron James is a stupid bitch.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

lol

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

3 shots from there a game sounds about right to me as well

1-3 if you only take 3 is perfectly fine.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

You're right.

Even for this guy.

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Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.

by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

But Michael Jordan has 6 rings!!!!!

So he’s great in everything and he’s the GOAT!!!! Shut yo mouth fool!

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Only 6 rings???

If only he worked his 3 pt like Reggie…

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Or Bob Cousy.

But you know flashy point guards who are only about themselves don’t win shit in this league.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Magic Johnson, Pistol, and all flashy PG's suck!

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Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.

by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Them too.

Failures all.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

i didn't pay much attention to this until now

but tyreke is huge. he’s the same height as MJ!

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by 'tough as nails' spence on Dec 27, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

No Tyreke is 6'4.

MJ was actually the equivalent of a guy 6’8 with his wingspan. He was 6’6 in bare feet. Or 6’5 I can’t remembe. Tyreke has a 6’11 wingspan and is 6’4 1/2 without shoes.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

I always thought he was 6’6 lol

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke is listed at 6'6 because of his wingspan.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Reke likes being listed at 6'6 too.

Even though Travis Outlaw is listed at 6’9, as Jerry Reynolds pointed out Outlaw is taller than Donte Greene who is listed at 6’11.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Ahh I see.

Thanks. I did not know they could do that.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

And 1,

Why are they messing up the heights?

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

They aren't.

Nobody takes those things seriously. Do they? I sure don’t.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I just thought that they would take that into account

every time they scout the other team.

Ehh, thanks for the fun fact at the least.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Chuck Hayes is too short to play PF & C's.

Does that stop him?

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

But he has a big heart...

/Joking lol

But really, he does.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Bill Russell is listed at 6'9 because that is his actual height.

But when you factor in his wingspan, he’s actually 7’2. Jerry Reynolds talked about that very point in Reynolds Remembers.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke is 6' 4.25" + barefoot

As Section likes to point out – They don’t generally play barefoot.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah with shoes he is 6'6.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

According to what I can find

MJ’s official (barefoot) height was 6’ 4.75"

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Of course his arms were 7 ft long :-)

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I’m not surprised MJ in bare feet was 6’4.75" actually lttg. Thanks for finding that.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

i did not know that

thanks for clearing that out!

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by 'tough as nails' spence on Dec 27, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

The next MJ! (Dreaming)

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

So your definition of "jacking up shots"

is 13 attempts, of which he made 7.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope

He made a couple of mid-rangers, too.

Really, Evans is going to have some bad shooting nights this year, so if you are camped out waiting for that, be patient and he will give you ample opportunity to complain. But on a night where he scored 20 points on 13 shots, did not turn the ball over, and played stellar defense, you might want to give it a rest.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 10:48 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Hey Section

I think you found an updated example of trolling for the next Threadiquette post.

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by Exhibit G on Dec 27, 2011 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Tyreke came out missing layups but hitting his jumpers

made a 22 footer and a 21 footer in the first quater and then a 3 in the second quarter. His jump shot went cold (or he just got swatted) after that.

Either way, 7 of 13.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 27, 2011 10:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Give it a rest for today

Tyreke was extremely efficient last night, we all know the concerns about that continuing.

The fact that he’s not going to be counted on to make every big shot anymore should help him take that next step. Let’s see how he does against a defensively relentless team on thier home court like Portland. Although he worries me – his career isn’t set yet – but this year is key.

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

hey, i've been a huge tyreke critic

but if he keeps playing like that I won’t be for long.

my favorite moment last night was the rapist getting t’d up for arguing ON A CALL HE GOT.

The only way he could get more douchey is if he was filled with vinegar

by lchristmas on Dec 27, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

When Tyreke and DeMarcus are effecient...

…we have a good chance of winning. Both played within themselves last night. If that continues, we should be in great shape this season.

by R-Man on Dec 27, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

THis was a great win for us on so many different levels...

Beating the Lakers in our home opener, in ALL BLACK, and considering this game isn’t been taking place in Anahem makes it so sweet. The energy was awesome and watching it at home, I heard the Sac crowd real loudly…“BEAT LA” was booming through my TV. Glad to say that I didn’t hear any pro-LA chants either.

All Black = Awesome…kind of want to make white our alternates now. LOL

by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 27, 2011 9:31 AM PST reply actions  

Good shooting team except:

It baffles me why the Kings cannot make free throws. This has been a bug-a-boo for the last few years. As a team they are pretty good shooters until you put them on the free throw line. Games are won and lost at the line and maybe in the future things will get better.

by Bill2 on Dec 27, 2011 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

It was a bugaboo in 2001-02 too.

Just sayin’.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

It's only one game...but what a game!

Likes:
Reke with no turnovers is awesome.
Chuck Hayes is the best post-defender the Kings have ever had.
MT23 is a perfect backcourt compliment to Reke. He can create, dish, shoot lights out and get to the rim.
JJ was active and seems to know his role.
Jimmer had good court vision, made some plays and wasn’t horrible on D.
Cousins, given his foul trouble and limited action, still had one of his best games as a KIng. More of that please!
IT on Kobe. That was awesome.

Dislikes:
Travis Outlaw needs to play a lot less. Why was he getting so much burn, especially at the four?!? I’ll give him a chance, but if he plays like he did last night, no thanks.
Jimmer needs to be more confident (that will come).
Salmons overall was okay, but there were more than a few sequences where he needed to dish the ball. Don’t want to see the Old Salmons come back.

Overall:
A great start to the season. I’d just like to see a little more JT and less Troutlaw. After the starters, I think a good rotation would be Jimmer, IT, JJ and JT. At this point, if we can get AK47, I think it guarantees the playoffs. DMC, Hayes, AK47, Thronton and Reke to start. IT, Jimmer, Salmons, JJ and JT off the bench. A nice 10-man rotation to get us through the grueling schedule.

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by PhutureKings on Dec 27, 2011 10:10 AM PST reply actions  

Agree, what a game

I was on the LaTimes comment thread last night and a fan from so cal wrote" Lakers beat by a team who will most likely get 20 wins this year" My response was “Even if we only win 20 this one was pretty damn sweet ^^”

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 10:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't it have been interesting to watch Chuck Hayes

try to guard Shaq back in 2001?

Hahah.

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by caseycheesecake on Dec 27, 2011 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

*charges

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by Shizzo on Dec 27, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

No

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Stat of the night for me

Cousins(2) and Evans(0) combining for 2 turnovers…for the entire game! We may not get out of the 1st quarter for the rest of the year below that number.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 10:56 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Yes, that was huge.

They played within themselves last night.

Hopefully, they realize that with better talent around them, they can let the game come to them a little more, rather than trying to force things.

by R-Man on Dec 27, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

What a game!

I’ll save you guys from my individual analysis because I think everyone has mutual feelings about how the game turned out and who should get more burn and not.

DeMarcus’ putback on the Jimmer miss was so phenomenal and agile of him. I nearly woke up the whole neighborhood. I felt as if he should’ve had a couple of more easily, but was getting hacked up a storm in the paint and with no whistles at all. I’m sure he’ll get more calls as he becomes a more established player.

Chuck Hayes is great though. With those perfectly white sneakers and the black jerseys, he reminds me of that older guy in his late 30s – early 40s that would show up at the local courts when you and your friends were playing and call next game. He won’t razzle-dazzle you, but he’ll play hard, hustle, and rough. Love that he’s on our team.

I was a little disappointed by Donte to be honest. I mean he only got 2 minutes of play, but usually he’s one of the biggest cheerleaders on our bench and always comes out to give guys a high 5 on time outs, but he just wasn’t happy sitting there you can tell. I don’t expect most players would, but the scowl on his face rubbed me the wrong way. Love the kid, but he needs to earn that playing time and when he gets it, keep those minutes with consistent play. (To be honest, i felt like he should’ve been in there a lot more than Outlaw).

by HoneycuttCheerios. on Dec 27, 2011 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

One thing that makes me optimistic

Is that I think that by a long shot our front line can and will play better.
Cousins was treated badly by the officials but showed some early signs of being more mature about it. He’s clearly going to have many 20-10 games this season. Hickson can play a LOT better (I think) and Outlaw is still feeling his way. Chuck was as advertised a nearly immovable object in the post.

Jimmer will also have many many better games than this, though I thought considering the circumstances he did OK. Gotta take a few 3s though son. Just a few.

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- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

Chuck has huge tree trunks for legs

I couldn’t stop looking at them every time he was in the game. It’s no wonder he isn’t moved easily in the post.

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by kingsfan300 on Dec 27, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow, he really is done

Could he, would he start anywhere else in the league?

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember him

crossing himself last night – to my delight. LOL

"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James

Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.

by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

IIRC, Grant and Jerry tried to give Reke credit for the defensive pressure

Pretty funny, that was Fisher looking like a guy with two left feet.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

I was more impressed with Reke’s presence than that play in particular.

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by pookeyguru on Dec 27, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

The over the top steal on Fisher late

was one of the game’s best defensive plays, not Fisher falling over himself.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

That was a Bill Russell special

Block the shot and keep the ball.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Imagine if Dwight had the same IQ as Bill Russell.

Instead of “spectacular” blocks going out of bounds.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

*throwing the ball out of bounds.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Dwight isn't just a spectacular shot blocker

He’s also a great defender, the best playing basketball right now. Look at Orlando’s roster the last few years and you’ll spot a lot of guys who individually are not very good at defense, yet because of Dwight, Orlando has been one of the better defensive teams in the league.

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by Aykis16 on Dec 27, 2011 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Such a huge hole on that roster

strange that they haven’t addressed it with at least a promising kid from somewhere.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I think

it’s because when they were initiating the Triangle, the PG spot was the least used. Now, however, with a new offense, their weakness in that spot is magnified IMO.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, I mean Steve Blake isn't a scrub

and I guess they drafted a rookie but . you have to able to defend the PG position in today’s NBA. Newsflash.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha yeap.

And i hope it stays that way for LA.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Fisher's ability to hit the occasional big shot

And play a bit of physical defense, while adding a leadership component was enough at the time. Statistically, he’s been one of the, if not the worst point guards in the league the last few seasons.

He was looking more and more like a liability last year, and very much so early on this season.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Not practicing for how long during the lockout doesn’t help either.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Darius Morris is that promising kid

Morris was a stud in college, Im puzzled at his lack of playing time given how bad DFish is failing so far. My guess is that Fish will get injured or something and Morris will shine.

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

So, is the division up for grabs?

Even this early It sure seems that way. We’ll know more in a week or two.

Very excited to see how we match up against PDX tonight. (yes, I know they aren’t in our division)

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Hmmmm. After the first two days it sure seems like the Clips may have the edge – though I don’t know what they do in the front court off the bench, or if either Griffin or Jordan miss more than a game or three.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

It's just one game

But the Kings’ depth would appear to be an advantage for them in this type of schedule. Remains to be seen if that’s the case for the rest of the division.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

PW has got to run 10 guys out there every night

I still think 36 minutes for MT23 and Tyreke might be a few too many this year. It’s probably the very Max.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, agree that's the high end

If he can get to the point of trusting Jimmer and Isaiah to play consistent minutes, I think that will come down a bit.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

30-32 would be perfect

If the kids can hold thier own.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Enjoy it while you can, we're tied for 1st in the Pacific and the Lakers are in last place.

We’re tied with the Clips and the Lakers are 1/2 game behind the Suns.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions  

For all the Salmons hate, myself included, loved the way he played last night

Shot the 3 ball well, played good hard defense, and created his own shot when the shot clock was running down. Hopefully he can maintain the way he played tonight, because I loved the way he played. Welcome back Mr. Salmons!!

by elSAVinator on Dec 27, 2011 12:13 PM PST reply actions  

Especially that one he 3 pointer he made

after he airballed it. Basically redeemed himself there. lol

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

If he can continue to play complimentarily like that

and keep his ball handling to a minimum – excellent.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that.

Overall though, great ball movement. Not much Salmons-ing.

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by DTG13 on Dec 27, 2011 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Only one possession that I remember

- and you know how it ended. We used to see 5 or 6.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

For every good play play it seemed like he would have a bad one

He just needs to realize his place on the team. He needs to be more Doug Christie and less Bonzi Wells. He needs to play lockdown defense and then hit the open shots. No dribbling around and trying to score. That 24 second violation in the 4th had me livid.

by DaPorts! on Dec 27, 2011 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone has a bad possession or two

I wonder if anything he does is magnified but what we remember? Anyway, I was just fine with his game last night, a clear upgrade for now.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

but = by 'what we remember'

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

That could be true

Each time he started to dribble me and my friend would turn to each other like ‘here we go again.’ He didn’t play terrible, he played meh. It is an upgrade over his old self. I think he could provide even more of an upgrade if he accepted his role on the team.

by DaPorts! on Dec 27, 2011 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I was holding my breath nearly every time myself.

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by lietothegirls on Dec 27, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep, I enjoyed this version of Salmons better than his last Kings incarnation

Spot-up three pointer who focuses mostly on defense? That’ll work.

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by otis29 on Dec 27, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

He defended the other teams best player, which is enough for me to give him a big PLUS

But, and I know it’s still early, can he defend bigger SF’s. If the other teams best player is a 3 rather than a 2, will he be just as effective. Tonight he’s on Gerald Wallace, and when we play OKC who’s the hands down favorite to win the West, can he defend Durant.

My fear is that we don’t have the defensive talent in the front court after we sit Chuck and Cousins.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

YESSSSSSSSS

I’m traveling over the holidays, and live on the east coast anyway, so of course I missed the game. But YESSSSSSSS. That is all.

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by BlackSoxDown on Dec 27, 2011 1:18 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Exciting Win and a Great Win for the City of Sacramento

The Stars performed as we hoped and expected they would. Hayes and DeMarcus make a good starting duo at the 4/5. Tyreke and Thornton were impressive. I was especially impressed by the 11 turnovers but not so impressed by the 16 assists. I’ve expressed my concerns about the lack of assists before, so I hope this doesn’t continue to be a trend.

As excited as I am to beat LA, the Lakers aren’t the same team that beat us 9 of the last 10 games.

We’re still the jump shooting team that we were last season. And, when we’re hot shooting the jumper we can beat anyone. But, we’re not going to shoot 50% from 3 and MT isn’t going to score 27pts on 13 shots. He’s a high attempt cold stone shooter who historically averages 1.1 pts per shot.

There were 12 games played yesterday. Of the 24 teams only TWO scored less points in the paint than the Kings did. The Kings had 30 of their 100 points scored in the paint. The Nets who only scored 90 pts had 28 in the paint, and Detroit who only scored a total of 79 pts for the game had 28 in the paint. The Kings were outscored by the Lakers 44 to 30 in the paint. The average for all the games played yesterday was 39pts with the TWolves scoring 60 of their 100pts in the paint.

I’m going to be very interested to see how our undersized starting front line does against Aldridge, Wallace and Camby tonight. Especially since Spencer Hawes went for 10pts, 14rebs and 9 assts against them yesterday.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

Spencer Hawes went for 10pts, 14rebs and 9 assts against them yesterday

Holy cow, if Spence is putting up a triple double against them DMC should have an easy night :)

by PetrieFingSucks on Dec 27, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree with just about everyone's take on Jimmer last night

He didn’t seem tentative at all. He didn’t shoot great, but what he did was initiate offense, make some very head’s up offensive plays, play respectable (if unspectacular) D, and most importantly draw a LOT of the Lakers’ attention when he had the ball creating space for teammates to jack up some shots. Look at the game again, every time he touched the ball and started to drive, 2 or three Lakers sloughed off their man to keep track of him.

When he gets space, I have no doubt he’ll torch a team. I do not watch college ball, so I didn’t have much preconceived expectations of him – good or bad – what I saw is a very good basketball player that will help this squad get points.

by TheFNG on Dec 27, 2011 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

He had to runs last night

He was good in the first run and looked like a rookie in the 2nd run…much more than Thomas looked in either of his runs. And he passed on some shots that his teammates will assuredly get on him to take in the future.

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

...Two runs

Where did I put that bottle of 5 hour energy?

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by section214 on Dec 27, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not disappointed in his performance

but Sections is correct, at times he did play like a rookie. He caught the ball twice and dribbled past the defender that was closing in on him. Where he might have been better off taking the 3. His mistake was that he was to slow putting up the shot after getting past the defender, and he got his shot blocked/stolen. When he dribbles sideways to create more space he can take his time putting up the shot off the dribble, but taking one or even two steps inside his man is going to get blocked most of the time in the NBA.

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by HighTops on Dec 27, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

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