Kings 92, Knicks 114: No Excuse For This Performance
by Aykis16 on Dec 31, 2011 7:57 PM PST
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PrintFor all the talk coming from the Kings in the previous day, and the fact that New York was missing one of it's best players, to come out and play the way they did tonight was simply inexcusable. The Kings lost this game in the 1st quarter, going down 22 points early and never really getting it close. Carmelo Anthony led the Knicks with 23 points, but the real star for them was rookie big man Josh Harrellson, who filled in for Amar'e Stoudemire nicely by chipping in 14 points (including 4 threes) and 12 boards.
Transition defense, the biggest weakness for the Kings, wasn't an issue tonight surprisingly. The Kings only gave up 8 fast break points to New York. Unfortunately, almost everything else was a problem.
The ball movement was once again abysmal. New York is a great example of how to move the ball despite not having a true point guard. The Kings too often resort to over-dribbling and standing around on offense. They also do a terrible job at getting the ball to guys who are in good position to make a shot, or they'll also go from a position to make a good shot and take a tough one instead. One example was John Salmons catching the ball at the top of the key with nobody on him and instead dribbling into four Knicks defenders. Another was Cousins dribbling straight into Tyson Chandler who was clearly set for a charge when he could have either shot the mid-range jumper or hit Jimmer who was wide open next to him. As a result, we're taking tougher shots than we need to, and it shows in our shooting percentages. This team is not cohesive offensively and something needs to change.
This was also the first game where our halfcourt defense really looked bad as well. The Knicks helped spread us out with their unbelievable barrage of threes in the first quarter, but they should never have gotten as many open looks as they did. I knew we were in serious trouble when the Knicks got up to such an early lead and Carmelo Anthony hadn't even done anything yet. As it were, when he did get going, the Kings had nobody who could stop him without fouling him and sending him to the line.
Speaking of the line, it was yet another terrible performance there by the Kings, hitting only 63.4%. The incredibly frustrating part of it is that we are getting to the line a LOT, over 30+ times each game, but we can't take advantage.
If I had to identify a couple bright spots, I'd give it to Isaiah Thomas for coming in late and still playing with a lot of energy and intensity even though the game was long gone. I'd also credit Chuck Hayes with another spirited effort on the glass and on defense. Donté Greene showed why he is both so tantalizing and frustrating, coming into the game and having an immediate impact with a couple threes, but he then proceeded to kill a couple offensive possessions with bad decisions.
Individually we had some terrible performances. Tyreke actually has been alright shooting from the field and taking it to the basket the last few games, but he's not always making the best decision out there, particularly on fast breaks. He's going to need to learn some new tricks if he wants to excel. DeMarcus is just shooting atrociously from the field, and especially around the basket which is surprising. Jimmer had by far his worst game as a rookie, going 2-10 from the field.
The most frustrating part about this team is we saw just how good they can be in that first game against Los Angeles. That team seems to have gone somewhere else ever since the midpoint of the 2nd quarter of the Portland game. They better get it together quick, or these next few weeks are going to get really ugly.
New Orleans comes into town tomorrow. It remains to be seen which Kings team shows up.
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Maybe after 3 losses in a row and his FT shooting % he would take
half of his rookie salary for five years
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 31, 2011 8:01 PM PST reply actions
Get rid of Westy.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Dec 31, 2011 8:01 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Westfail is a horrible coach...
With a team this young – you need a real coach or things will get “real ugly”… He has no clue…
by Ryan J on Dec 31, 2011 8:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
On top of that
A few more games like this & he’ll be a lame duck.
by Allbenji on Dec 31, 2011 8:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
This This and more This
Two years. No real improvement.
We actually have more talent than the last few years, and yet…it’s more or less the same.
Little things. Bad habits. Simple stuff. Just does not get better.
Problem is who takes over for this year.
But ultimately, unless ownership poneys up more cash for a better coach, I’m afraid it will be more of the same.
Maybe I’m just pissed because there is no way in hell I thought we would lose by 22 points to a Knicks team missing their second best player.
Balls. All over.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
we have the personnel
At this point we have ample talent to win a respectable amount of games (eg .500), but we lack structure and direction…of course the players have to execute but seemingly there’s a lack of organzation and leadership from the coaching. This sucks.
by WhentheKingswinyouwin! on Jan 1, 2012 10:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I agree and disagree
The coaching is not getting it done, but I still see this roster as being far below the NBA average. It is a roster of middling vets and youngsters that are still a way’s away from realizing their potential. Even if this group were well-coached, their talent level still makes them a lottery team, in my opinion.
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Calm down everybody we have the same record so far
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by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 31, 2011 8:06 PM PST reply actions
Is it still too early to panic?
I like how you threw in how NY can still jell with a NaPG. D’antoni will never be Pop, LB, or Sloan but he is at least a don Nelson. Don Nelson wins games. PW???
by Allbenji on Dec 31, 2011 8:09 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Yes
This was kinda expected. Its a much better team but zero training camp, zero familiarity, zero comfort and its showing.
I don't buy it
Maybe against Portland & Chicago but not this team. Not a team missing their 1 of their best, with no real PG, at home, that has new players just like us, missing Billups, and by 24 or whatever it was.
This was bad, real bad, coaches getting fired bad, reggie theus’ last game getting blown out by 30 by NY bad.
by Allbenji on Dec 31, 2011 8:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand why everyone thinks this is a much better team?
Chuck Hayes is a nice player and a tough rebounder, but Dalembert was just as good a rebounder and I can’t believe I’m saying this, “A better offensive player”.
Outlaw isn’t better than anyone we had at SF last season.
Jimmer is going to be good, but he’s not better than Beno was.
Thomas is a wash with Pooh.
And, while Salmons is a sound SG at both ends of the court, he just adds to our size problem on the front line. And, he hasn’t been able to defend the bigger 3’s we’ve faced.
Even as athletic as JJ is, without someone like LeBron to fee him easy baskets. He is just as big of a disadvantage at the 4 offensively as Hayes is. And, he’s a worse shooter and defender than Darnell Jackson was.
This was the most disappointing FA and Trade season, I have ever seen. If this is the best that GP can come up with when he has $20M+ to work with then he needs to go right along with PW.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Dec 31, 2011 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
Hickson was putting up 18 and 11 w/o LeBron
but it isn’t even about the record. The Bulls, Blazers, and Knicks are all better teams that I don’t mind losing too necessarily, but the WAY these Kings are losing… I mean, it’s the same night in, night out, the same struggles they had last year. Granted, some of the personnel is the same, and some of the additions (Outlaw, Salmons) don’t do much to help, but it should be pretty apparent to everyone that it’s coaching at this point.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 31, 2011 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
JT put up those numbers in the past, so what?
For the short time JJ got those numbers he was at the Center and playing 38mpg on a team with absolutely no other bigs due to injuries. So unless your going to start him ahead of DeMarcus or Chuck at center those numbers are worthless.
HIs career averages are 9pt/ 5.8rebs, and his best season averaging 28mpg he was at 13.8 and 8.7. More importantly he’s a career 30% shooter outside of 9 ft. And, of his 4 baskets on 7.5 attempts during his 13.8pt season, 60% of the 4 baskets were off of assists even if James wasn’t around any longer. He doesn’t create that well on his own and shoots jumpers worse than Tyreke
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Dec 31, 2011 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ewww
Thomas is a wash with Pooh.
Well that would be counterproductive at best.
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 1, 2012 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Absolutely correct
When a team has to seemingly hurry in order to make the league MINIMUM salary by season opener, one has to question whether this might be a get out of town strategy. I am sick to death of GP. Among other things, he pushed for Westphal. It now seems obvious that he wanted a compliant coach who wouldn’t ever question or want to participate in player evaluation, trading or drafting decisions. Westphal needs to go back to the couch where he was before coming to Sacramento. It is simply not excusable to put a professional team on the floor that lacks the ability to pass the ball and run simple screen and roll plays — something that should instilled as the default thinking in every player. It simply appears that none of the players have any sense of what to do when on the floor.
by ExPFCWintergreen on Jan 1, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions
I can see
that there is not much to say after tonights game. Things have to get better. Drive safely and have a Happy New Year.
Execute the players?
Now I have heard everything
by betweentheeyes on Dec 31, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
xcvrevret4
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
by Juan Primo on Dec 31, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I shouldn't be the first person rec'ing this.
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iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
The emotion is so evident
"Cousins is the Blaster to Evans’ Master, the Hammer to Evans’ Sickle"- HP
by tomroadrunner on Jan 1, 2012 1:16 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know but they seemed lost out there. No direction or leader.
by Bill2 on Dec 31, 2011 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lets say we did have Sloan, or the coach of whoevers choosing,
The players still have to do whatever the coach says. Are these players smart enough to do that?
Really?
Don’t insult all the players now
Yes all the players are stupid, window licking, mouth breathers. Come on man.
by Allbenji on Dec 31, 2011 8:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
LoL
So its fine to insult the coaching staff, and front office, but the players are off limits? Ok then.
First
If you watch the game they are mostly all mouth breathers. Only 2 have actually licked a window and they promised to never do it again.
I am sure some of the players are smarter than PW and some are dumber
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
My bad Chen
Just a little peeved at the whole situation. I honestly have no idea what the F has been going on
by Allbenji on Dec 31, 2011 9:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
As head coach PW has said that he has input into which players the Kings acquire
and he is the one who sets the lineups from the players that he is provided. He’s also the one that instructs the players on how he wants them to play. Who stands in the corner, which big stands at the top of the key and facilitates the passing the ball from one side to the other for no apparent reason, and why we should never run a pick & roll involving Tyreke.
Now if his choice doesn’t do well, and no matter who on the roster he puts in doesn’t do any better, Then we should fire the trainers for not having the players in better condition.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
The 1st 2 years PW gets a pass.
It is now year 3….after 167 games of NO system, no leadership, nobody holding the players accountable… it is time to go.
by ridingthebench on Dec 31, 2011 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 5 recs
You could say the same thing about Tyreke and others
The 1st 2 years Tyreke gets a pass.
It is now year 3….after 167 games of bad decision making, no leadership, not hustling… it is time to go.
or place blame on GP, or the Malinda’s.
I think its a combination of everything personally.
by chenp22 on Dec 31, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's the no system thing that's most glaring
I’ve seen a little of the Cavs and Wolves this season and even they look to have a system where everyone knows what they’re supposed to do. They don’t have that discombobulated headless chicken vibe like the Kings do. I’m not usually a blame the coach guy but when after two full seasons the team still look clueless half the time I have to wonder if maybe Westphal is a factor. Maybe Westphal only won on Phoenix because he had Barkley and KJ.
by deadenddude on Dec 31, 2011 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That, and the game has evolved beyond his comprehension.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 31, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Thought you were gone for the night
Guess you couldn’t miss the PW roast
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Maybe Kahn wasn't so crazy in collecting all his PG's
while we built up a collection of SG’s.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
That is now crazy talk
He made more draft picks he pissed away. Not to mention Adelman spent a month trying to get Kahn fired before he finally accepted the job.
Yet their team seems light years ahead of ours
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 31, 2011 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
And, how do you explain that?
We got JJ and Chuck who were starters on their prior team. We got the leading scorer out of college. And, we got a player who was a starting SG on his prior two teams. Along with the addition of Marcus who was the best player on our team at the end of last season.
I realize it was a long offseason, do you think that they all forgot how to play during their time off?
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
by HighTops on Dec 31, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Certainly the players aren't playing well.
Getting lapped in the talent department by the Wolves … I’m fucking drunk but I’m not going to fall for that.
That aren’t losing because of a few bad sub changes by the coaching. They are getting their head kicked in cause no one is playing is good basketball right now.
They are in a funk
I actually like the fact the game was over by halftime. It seemed like it gave them a chance to work on their halfcourt sets. If you weren’t watching the score, their offense was moving the ball and coming up with shots. However defense wasn’t working and again everyone is in a funk so shots aren’t going down.
Oh well, this team has talent, too much for them right now.
JimCrandell
FOX40 photog tells me Cousins was joking around in locker room & Chuck Hayes told him to knock it off..no time for jokes when you get beat
Atleast there's some leadership.
"Oh boy! If you don't like that you don't like Kings basketball"-Peaches
you know what is sad about that?
That it is coming from Chuck Hayes and NOT from the coaching staff. Good job Chuck, at least somebody cares.
by ridingthebench on Dec 31, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oh, please!!!
You have absolutely no idea what PW did or didn’t say. PW says something and people moan. He says nothing and people whine. Please don’t pretend you have any idea what is going on behind closed doors.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Dec 31, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I like to imagine that there all riding unicorns in the locker room.
I love a balloon!
-George Carlin
by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Dec 31, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
*they're. I spell well.
I love a balloon!
-George Carlin
by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Dec 31, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I can see that
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Dec 31, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jason Jones tweets
Very bad mood in Kings locker room
There is definitely griping about the offense now.
If they want people in the arena
They have to try better than that.. everyones going to start thinking why am I going to pay to watch these guys play if it doesn’t even seem like they put the effort out to win. One minute Tyrekes not trying, next Salmons, next Demarcus, etc. I’ve seen horrible efforts from Westphals teams the last 3 yrs. I understand maybe an off night here n ther but it happens way too often. These guys need to play full effort all game for 48 minutes. Its sickening, No cutters, No 1 leaking out for fast breaks, no rotating on defense except a couple players, no fighting through screens, no 1 wanting to pass first. I haven’t been on the fire Westphal campaign but I might be joining it soon if thing don’t change.
by Chent on Dec 31, 2011 8:19 PM PST via mobile reply actions
That sums my feelings.
I left game with 8 minutes to go. I have never done that before but the product was sickening. I love Westphal the person, but this team has too much talent to be losing the way we have been. But it is young new team. However that excuse doesn’t last long.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 31, 2011 9:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Left the arena
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 31, 2011 9:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hardly wanted to watch on TV
And the channel comes for free with my package. Was gong to drive up this week to see a game, but guess I will wait until the place is empty again. Which will be soon at this pace.
"His D was a difference at the end."
I thought that too
There was a lot of momentum going into this season, lots of ticket sales/hype. The way the kings are playing is a momentum killer…sad so sad
by Boot Scoot Baby on Dec 31, 2011 11:24 PM PST up reply actions
We've benn blowout three games in a row.
The team has more talent that the previous two years.
Westphal has not show he can coach.
Westphal has to go.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Dec 31, 2011 8:20 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
There's no way to prove it, but I posit such.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Who was responsible for Beno's trade?
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Right...
And whatever their plan and logic was to improve the offense by trading him has not panned out, imo. They are responsible for that decision and the consequences which have resulted. At this point, the offense appears to be a confused hodgepodge. Not a good way to score baskets and win games. But what do I know. I’m just a fan.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
I believe so
And even if they didn’t, you would at least expect some sort of growth from players and I haven’t seen it at all.
by Chent on Dec 31, 2011 8:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Interesting. I think it is self-evident.
But to each his own. We each have a right to be wrong or right.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Absolutely
The way I see it,
We added Hickson, Salmons, Hayes, Outlaw and the rookies.
We lost Dalembert, Beno, Casspi, Pooh and Dblock and co.
Not a huge upgrade imo.
We added talent with Hickson and Jimmer
But we lost defense with Dalembert and lost our most consistently solid player on Beno. So while we may have picked up a little more talent, it was a lateral move at best insofar as improving the team.
Look at list one vs two
It may not be huge upgrade, but its an upgrade. Throw in Thornton who is almost new and I think we have a lot more talent than last year if you figure that in.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 31, 2011 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I still don't see a regular system on offense
That’s with Tyreke on the floor, without Tyreke on the floor. It’s a ton of iso stuff still. That’s on coaching, period.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Dec 31, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I have no idea yet what offense they are tryint to run.
There is no motion, no screens up top.
There is a lot of pick and rolls, but we don’t run them well.
We have this weird as play on the angle 3 line where the 2 guards seem to lose all spacing and try to do something. I have seen it at least 3 times in every game.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
We are weaker at third guard
and we lost the shotblocker.
I see Westphal tightening his rotation and playing Salmons some at the two. Or at least that’s what I think he should do.
We need some guys who can defend and show some energy.
"His D was a difference at the end."
They would have missed the wall
your gif is invalid
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 31, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
NewEra King said in pregame thread DeMarcus Needs to Grow A Pair
It is our coach who needs to grow a pair. Because if he had a pair, he would be a man and say in the post game press conference “I need to do a better job of preparing this team. I failed as a coach tonight and I need to do better job starting tomorrow night.” Then maybe I would respect him. But he would never say this.
I have no respect for this coach.
And if I was the head coach of this team I would say to this entire team “I failed you as a coach tonight. Because as a group, you played like SHIT. You came out disinterested and unprepared. What did I do to cause this?” Then I would listen to what they had to say.
When a person has a voice, they have pride. This team showed no pride tonight.
I would say this coach needs to be fired now but I won’t because that should have happened a year ago. But I will say to call out your assistant coach and make him look like a dummy as a mean of deflecting is a desperate attempt at self-preservation.
Can someone tell me what the Kings plan of attack is on offense? I have no idea what they are running. Is it a high post, low post, or weave? What the fcuk are they doing out there besides embarrassing themselves?
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
by bench_blob on Dec 31, 2011 8:26 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Blob
Who was the best player on the Kings tonight?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
That's another thing, Westphal
Fuck you for not playing the dude on his birthday in meaningful minutes. It’s not like he is some scrub who can’t play in this league, and he’d be a damn sight better than Outlaw.
by VenomySnicket on Dec 31, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
He didn't want him to get hurt on his birthday
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 31, 2011 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Great point.
What a punk move.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
We've got a lot more to worry about
than the 11th man not getting to play on his birthday.
"His D was a difference at the end."
He shouldn't be the 11th man to start with.
Outlaw is getting 15 minutes a game…
by VenomySnicket on Dec 31, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
If Cisco played this year and it was at his career average
he’d be a top 3 player on this team (No. I don’t think he would be his career average with the way this team is playing.)
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Actually, PW gave Cisco the best present he could have asked for
“Not having to play and work up a sweat in that blow out stupid game.”
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Not at all
He is a very good three point shooter, who moves the ball well, gets up and down the court, and gives effort on defense. I sincerely hope Westphal is just giving Travis a fair shot at establishing himself, knowing that he has Cisco to take over the minutes when Outlaw fails.
whoever didnt play
Actually I turned the tv off in the beginning of the 4th. It was disguisting
by Chent on Dec 31, 2011 8:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
and Donte did decent
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
by ElRonToro on Dec 31, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Winner. Winner. Chicken dinner.
It really means nothing, I just want Blob to admit it.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
I think they should both be playing more than Hayes, quite frankly
and perhaps Cousins.
In any case, I think a quick hook is in order when guys aren’t getting the job done and the effort is poor, particularly on the defensive end. The revolving layup drill is getting old.
"His D was a difference at the end."
I'll take Hayes.
He’s a real pro that does the dirty work and them some.
I love a balloon!
-George Carlin
by The Crown Royal Gentleman on Dec 31, 2011 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Agree on that
an argument could be made that he has been the best player on this crappy team. Only Salmons could be argued a better defender and DMC is the only obe who could be called a better rebounder. I am not saying they are, I am just saying you can debate it.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Who is AC?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Sorry. He did call out the assistant coach. He put Todd under the bus.
What an ass.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
damn i missed the postgame
because the alternate channels Dish is showing the games on cut of like RIGHT when the game is over. I wish Dish would get this squared away and the games back on 409.
Without actually quoting:
“Todd told me ‘The guys look ready tonight.’ I told him it does not matter, because when you think they are ready, they’re not. And when you think there not, they are.”
Basically, he pushed the spotlight on Todd. Again, I say, what an ass.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
it wasn't that bad...
anecdote about Coach Todd saying he thought the team was ready. PW told Todd to never say that because you can’t really tell how a team will play until the game starts.
The point is that he shifted the spotlight onto his assistant.
You know from grade school that this is a tactic to made one’s self look better by pointing out the faults in another.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
What did he say?
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Dec 31, 2011 9:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Honestly blob, I have no clue what's wrong but I stand by what I posted in the game thread: There is something profoundly wrong with this team that goes far beyond all the problems created by the lock out and it begins with Tyreke
Akis briefly touched on it at the becoming of his post but after the last loss Westphal was pissed and in my own mind I assumed that if nothing else improved, if the free throw, offensive, transition d and every other wrong this with this team couldn’t be fixed with one practice at least the Kings, if nothing else, would at minimum would play hard. Wrong. I’m primarily speaking about Reke and Cuz.You say that this failure to motivate is on the coach, I disagree.
I was not in favor of the Westphal hiring and thought at best it was uninspired but at the same time the problems with the Kings run deep and have consistently posted here that Westphal would not be the coach to take the teams into the playoffs. On the other hand by the time Westphal was hired I felt there was a big need for coaching consistency. The limits of Westphal’s ability to improve the team may have been reached but simply replacing the head coach and staff will not fix what ails this team.
This loss was appalling to me, as Akis said, it’s inexcusable. As I see it, it’s not a coaching issue but a character one. If Tyreke isn’t willing to exert himself hard enough to try and win a basketball game there is not much a coach can do about that. If Reke likes the idea of being a big time balla more than he likes balling that is a far bigger issue than any coach is capable of fixing.
If Tyreke wants to cash a maximum check for minimal effort then he is just like the rest of us, an average American worker. If he is so bereft of self motivation, basic pride and competitive drive that he doesn’t want to leave his all on the hardwood to try and secure a win for his team what is Westphal supposed to do about that? When I think of Reke’s game, L words come to mind like, lackadaisical, lazy,
limited, loser. If a so called professional athlete doesn’t put a high priority on winning then what can his coach possibly do to change that?
Maybe Rene has an undisclosed physical or mental condition the prohibits him from playing at the highest level he once seemed capable of reaching. If so I will be the first to apologize to him and acknowledge my mistake. Maybe he is suffering from Ferdinand the Bull syndrome and would rather be in his happy place rather in the competative arena. Who knows?
Unfortunately Reke’s apathy virus has infected DMC, who dispite the stupid fouls and poor shot selection looked to me like he was engaged, playing hard and trying to help his team get a win. Based on the post game comments from the locker room I guess that was an illusion as well. It’s clear to me if no one else that the Kings will never prevail if Reke is the #1starter and offensive option. The Kings will never be Reke’s team, he is just not capable of shouldering that load. Even if his first season turns out to be an outpost I think he is capable of starting on a winning team as the 3rdweight or 4th option. There is no shame in that but his role appears to be changing with
very mediocre loss from that of a potential All Star level player to that of a slightly better than average starter who is a couple of wins above WARP. This seems in line with the low bar he has set for his ambitions that even with his lack of hops appear achievable.
As you can see I’m not all that into Tyreke anymore. I still think CUZ has the potential to be the player that eventually takes this team to contention and that he’s far more important to the teams future than Reke’s ever was despite his unfortunate locker room display tonight and btw, thank our lucky stars for Chuck Hayes who did what we hoped he would do with the kids tonight.
So the dubs lost tonight just as pathetically as the Kings did which takes a little sting out of it for me. We are looking at a low draft pick in a stacked draft class which is not a bad thing and which in the long term is more important for the Kings than trying to contend for the 8th seed this season. So Reke’s isn’t what we thought he was, he won’t be what he hoped he’d be but he still might be a valuable piece of the team and if not let’s hope he is traded before he resembles Jonny Flynn and HIS trade value.
Now that I got that off my chest I feel a lot better about tonight BUT IF I EVER SEE Reke’s SKIPPING BACK ON TRANSITION D LIKE HE HAS ALL WEEK I SWEAR I’M GONNA HURL!
Frances Amthor: I think you're a very stupid person. You look stupid, you're in a stupid business, and you're on a stupid case.
Philip Marlowe: I get it. I'm stupid Farewell My Lovely (1975)
And in this vein I get what I want how I want it because I am the customer. You might want to remember that you thieving scumbag mongrel bitches.
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by Bluejohn on Dec 31, 2011 11:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
I have been trying to remember when Westphal has ever blamed himself in a post game press conference.
by ExPFCWintergreen on Jan 1, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
I have been trying to remember when any coach has ever blamed himself in a post game conference
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
If ever there was a time for Westphal to take a look at the man in the mirror, it is now.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
We need a point guard
A floor general who’s going to make sure plays are ran. Plain and simple.
by StevenG on Dec 31, 2011 8:47 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I'd settle for a floor sargeant
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
What about a floor private?
BTW – Can we get Kayte Christensen back?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Dec 31, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ugh...
the only thing that would have made this night worse was if Jim Grey was on the side
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 31, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
Threw up a bit
because I heard he is on the team again
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Yep
I heard it from Grant… even he sounded dissappointed
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 31, 2011 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
I second that emotion
"His D was a difference at the end."
by NewEraKings on Dec 31, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Their gain, our loss
I am happy for her is that is true. Last I heard she was bartending in NY and her world was crashing.
"His D was a difference at the end."
by NewEraKings on Dec 31, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 8 recs
Yep, it's true
Hired by the Suns as a social media sideline reporter. Good for her.
"His D was a difference at the end."
Wow. Sounds like she went through Hell after the Maloofs gave her the boot.
I am glad to know she has been picked up as a sideline reporter by the Suns.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Oooohhhhh,
my favorite picture again…
Purveyor of Bull Plop
I've been in a shitty mood tonight and for that I apologize
It really gets me down when STR is this negative. But looking at the product on the floor right now, it’s easy to see where everyone is coming from. I feel like I was hating the players (by that I mean some of the posters here) tonight instead of the game.
There are solutions to the King’s problems. I don’t know enough about running an NBA team to know what they are, but something has to give. I only ask that we see what the new year holds and try to keep our heads up. Keep in mind, we still have a team to watch, and that alone is a victory.
Happy New Years. Be safe.
"Smelling the cork from an open bottle of wine is like smelling a woman's ass before you make love to her"
Miles from the novel "Sideways"
by A Night At The Arco on Dec 31, 2011 8:50 PM PST reply actions
Their losing streak is growing.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
no. i'm f**kin pist.
during the game i was swearing i don’t know how many times but it cost me 10 pesos per swearing into my daughters piggy bank. my wallet is empty and going to a ATM machine. SH*T!
by Beer_man on Jan 1, 2012 6:25 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate to say it.....
But Westphal needs to go and needs to go right now before this season becomes lost. The man is officially crazy. I have been posting that this hire was a bad decision from the get go. He coaches the regular season like it’s an 82 game preseason, never making up his mind and just throwing different stuff together to see what works.
The reason our offense looks like crap is because his offense is not using a PG. He is basically letting anyone bring the ball down the floor. Why is John Salmons dribbling the ball down the floor and initiating our offense? What the heck is going on?
Then he is running a high post half the time with DMC out near the three point line setting screens? Why is he not down on the block? Why are we not feeding him the ball at the basket (at least not enough).
Even during the Laker game I was baffled at how the team was being run by four different people any given play and I told my buddy this will never work. This offense will crash and burn operating like that. Sure enough (Idid think it would take longer than three games to get this ugly, I mean YIKES!!!!)
If we want a chance at having a decent product on the floor we need to fire Westphal tonight. Let Kieth Smart set up an actual offensive system with a full time PG. If Westphal remains in place we are only one game, maybe two games away from a line up change. I don’t know if I can watch another year of Westphal changing his line up every game. Even tonight his bench rotation is already different. Who wants to bet his first change will be to bench Salmons and start Garcia? Yep the guy who hasn’t played a minute will be a starter in two games. That’s Westphal for you.
PLEASE FIRE WESTPHAL!!!!!!
by nerdninja on Dec 31, 2011 9:04 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I don't know about the rest of your post, but your line changes are coming
We’ve already seen a steady drop in minutes for Outlaw and Donte did better with the minutes tonight even if he did make some mistakes.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Exactley
It’s only three games and everyone’s minutes change game to game. Good teams have a lot of stability with their line ups. Players know their roles and what to expect. The players all have this deer in a headlight look. They stuble around until one of the guards finally decides to do something himself, either hoist a three or drive into a wall in the middle.
I am not the coach so I won’t even presume to say that Tyreke should be the point or not, but Westphal should have decided last year, but at the start of this year if Tyreke is the point play him at point. If Westphal doesn’t think he should/can play point then remove him. It helps no one to keep switching it up. I just don’t want to see us waste anymore games when we’ve seen this mess for two years now. If the management team believed in Westphal he would have been signed to an extension. I think bringing in Smart was definately a saftey net for mangement if they saw this situation slide.
Lastly we have another 4 games in five nights. If we go 0-4 in those games I believe Westphal will be gone. If we play like tonight against a team that isn’t missing their superstar we will get murdered by 40 and Westphal will be gone. I just don’t want to see this drag on.
Good teams
have players that get consistent minutes because they play well more or less consistently. We are not a good team. Our players are anything but consistent. Just look at the difference in MT and Evans one day apart against the Redacteds and Portland. This is a pointless conversation that you keep bringing up. If PW plays the same players and they don’t do well, you complain that he isn’t flexible enough. If he changes the lineup to find players who are working well, you complain about that. The truth is that you are not going to be happy no matter what the coach does. And I suspect you won’t be happy with the next coach either.
Everybody looks like a genius when their team is winning and everybody looks like an idiot when their team is losing.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 1, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've coached a lot of youth sports
I noticed I was a great coach when I had great players and I sucked as a coach when I had lesser talent.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Great coaches improve their players, not the other way around.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Great players make their coaches look great
Just sayin.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Oh, absolutely!
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
FWIW Doc Rivers
was about to be ridden out of town on a rail, before the big trades. Now he’s great.
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 1, 2012 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
And Spoelstra is definitely what makes the Heat so good
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
He's actually pretty good.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
But when the players were struggling to mesh at the beginning of last year
He was horrible. I think he is a decent coach, but I also think that are at least a dozen coaches in the NBA (including PW) who would look awesome if they were coaching the Heat.
The only time you can really blame the coach for sure is when a) a team with obviously great talent is failing or b) when a team turns around under a new coach and suddenly starts clicking. Other than that the best you can do is guess. No one really knew for sure if Phil was a great coach until he left Chicago and did it again in LA. And even then, he had great players to work with.
It’s just so tough to know how much is the coaching and how much is the players.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Just to clarify
When the Heat were struggling to mesh last year, everyone was blaming Spoelstra. He was the same coach he is now, but failure made him look much worse.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Nah man, I totally got your point.
I was just throwing in my pointless statement that I thought Spoely was a good coach.
That said, I think it’s hard to tell coaches that are so-so, but it’s very easy to tell very bad coaches and very good coaches. But it’s all very opinions-based. I, based on my one correct prediction of coach Thib, view myself as the be-all-end-all in coaching analysis.
But coaching is also situation, yes. And different coaches do better in different situations. Same team but different situations would call for different coaches.
Thib? Good. Don Nelson? Bad. George Karl? Good. Scott Skiles? Bad. Pop? Good. VDN? Bad. SVG? Good.
It’s all subjective, but it’s fun to see. I think it’s very important though.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
No doubt
And not disagreeing with you either
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Scott Skiles? Good for three years, then bad
otherwise, I agree.
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 2, 2012 3:17 AM PST up reply actions
I still think he's horrible.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Just saying my value as a coach was judged a lot by # of wins
and that my coaching ability didn’t change much from year to year.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I coached youth basketball for 6 years, and I always thought I was a lousy coach. In my case, not yours, most likely, this was a belief based on fact. Still, it is difficult for me to understand why Westphal has not settled on even the fundamental aspects of fielding a team, such as, somebody needs to be the point guard who runs the offense and distributes the ball to others
by ExPFCWintergreen on Jan 1, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Who would you select to be the PG to run the offense?
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Rose was a stud from mid January 2010 until the rest of the year during his second year with VDN
I know he wasn’t MVP good but just saying
by wallywagon11 on Dec 31, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
For being the youngest team in the NBA it looks like
they play with 20 lb. ankle weights. We look like the oldest team in the league. I love how they play defense with their arms straight down and slouched over (with a few exceptions). They need to be young pesky energetic type players.
Soooooo tired of losing!
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
Jason Jones' Twitter
Evans: "Everybody keeps blaming the coach, about the plays, the plays not good but, hey it be like that sometime. You’ve just got to play."
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Damn right.
He’s not saying it’s no true. In other words – The Coach Sucks.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
His mouth thinks its a twitter account
I can’t understand anything he says
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 31, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
I wonder if he was talking about fans and media blaming the coach
or saying that the players are blaming the coach. If it’s the latter, then wow, this thing is about to blow sky high.
chenp22
@mr_jasonjones is he saying the plays Westy has aren’t good?
Jason Jones
@chenp22 Apparently more than one person is saying that.
chenp22
@mr_jasonjones Sounds like he is losing the team then.
It's funny that they criticize that
Considering they never actually run any plays
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Dec 31, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, but either way
If the players aren’t capable of running them, or the coaches plays suck, it sounds like they aren’t on the same page.
Players seem to not be listening.
If he is really losing the team
It’s better to get rid of him as soon as possible.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
"everyone keeps blaming the players, about the play, the players not good but, hey it be like that sometime. You've just got to coach" PW comment
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
Funny
Except that’s not a real quote.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
He didn't say it, but he was thinking it!
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
I am ok with a 1-3 season,
not really but its the complete lack of competitiveness thats killing me.
Accountability starts at the top. Keith Smart’s waiting in the wings and has proven more than Westfail.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
Keith Smart won 36 games with Golden State
Sign me up. Sounds like an upgrade.
"His D was a difference at the end."
Went to the game tonight
And it was obviously very hard to watch. This team is awful.
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
Who should be fired first:
1) Paul Westphal or
2) Westphal, Paul?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
by kwill on Dec 31, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Doesn't matter who coaches this team
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
Why?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Because I don't think firing PW is going to make everything go away
Tyreke can’t shoot, Cousins can’t make a layup, Jimmer can’t play defense etc. It’s all a mess.
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
Is that really everything?
How about this – A coach actually teaches a team how to run a play. Wouldn’t that be nice?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Or a coach who tells Cousins to put his ass 5-10 feet from the basket
Instead of 15-20.
"His D was a difference at the end."
by NewEraKings on Dec 31, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
I’m not PW defender by any means. I just don’t think this team is that talented. I hope I’m wrong.
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
What do you mena by "that talented"?
Are you saying they can’t run a play if shown?
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
Sure they could
I’m all for a coaching change. I just think this is a bad mix of players.
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
I think we have good depth
The problem is neither the starters or backups are that good.
"His D was a difference at the end."
by NewEraKings on Dec 31, 2011 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, this exactly.
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
They have weaknesses.
I think Hayes and Cousins should fit quite well in a better system.
Salmons needs to be flipped for either another 3 who can play defense and stretch the opposition, or a true point that can manage a game.
It would be great if this team had a legit shot blocker.
Sadly this is not the case, but what they need to do is just play together. They did it against the Lakers. The talent was evident then.
The team trust is at a low point. They have to get that back.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
It won't make everything go away
But it doesn’t seem like Westphal puts his guys in a position to be successful.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Because every other player in NBA is good at EVERYTHING.
Even stars have weaknesses. Even superstars have weaknesses.
by Allbenji on Dec 31, 2011 9:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are you watching Jimmer on defense?
Because he is playing better, smarter team D than Tyreke.
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Dec 31, 2011 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't get to see much of tonight's game
But prior to this, I heartily disagree.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
WAIT!!! Seriously? It will certainly change the dynamic at the very least.
There really needs to be some reality checks here.
First off – let’s accept that we BLOW. There should be no fear that we are defending against.
Secondly, let’s accept that the head coach is responsible for the play of his team – NO EXCEPTIONS.
Show me ONE instant where a coach was retained, new players were brought in, and THEN the team started winning. I’ve NEVER seen it. The coach must go. There is no other rational position.
Now, will THAT be enough – time will tell. We need a coach that runs a system – any system – that the owners can deal with (likely ANY winning system). Next, tailor the personnel to the system. This is why any franchise should not skimp on the coach – there are MANY franchises that get this wrong. Coaching is EVERYTHING. The notion that it is a players league is gibberish. Good coaches win everywhere – it is NO mistake. This is not to say that you don’t try a new guy. You can make an educated guess at an assistant who is VERY successful on a very good franchise. You don’t skimp. Overpay for a shorter deal. Cut your losses and dump a loser. This is true in all sports.
We need brutal honesty and total accountability. Excuses kill a franchise IMO.
Finally, there is (at least – should be) no sentimentality. Dump a loser or a bad contract. Petrie has been pretty good at this. I have no way of definitively knowing, but it appears that the times that this is less true, it is because the Maloof family inserts itself into the process.
Coaches should be tailoring their system to the strengths of the roster.
Not the other way around.
If Petrie is going to stack the roster with ball stopping guards who have to have the ball in their hands to be effective, and big men who appear to be limited offensively, then Westphal has to tailor his system to those players.
And we end up with this mess.
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I think he should have thought about that before he selected his roster.
I
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Yes because football= basketball
And the 49ers are the same as the Kings. Right.
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
Regardless of the sport
Coaching will have an impact. 49ers had good talent, it wasn’t realized until Harbaugh came in. Sounds like a similar situation here. A lot of good talent, just not being utilized in the correct way.
by rainingbuckets on Dec 31, 2011 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hello Mr. Rose. Miami got real good when Bosh and Lebron got there too
"What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger" Some bad ass dude.
Doug Collins turned Philly around pretty fast
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
So they went from bad to mediocre
Mediocre is a bad place to be in the NBA
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
They got to the playoffs, which is all that most here were hoping for this season
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
The niners were 6 and 10 last year.
They will probably go 13 and 3 this year with a first round bye.
Not the same sport, but the lesson here is the same.
NOBODY thought the niners had talent last year based on how poorly they played.
Harbaugh put them in a postion to succeed, the players bought in, and they were successful.
They succeed because they want to make Harbaugh proud. They want to do a good job.
If the Kings players don’t care about making Westphal proud, then he needs to go. He has lost them.
Some steps in that they believe in and want to play for, this team would be a lot better.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
They succeded because they want to make Harbaugh proud?
Uh, okay.
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
Ya, not really
They succeeded because Harbaugh knew how to work with their strengths and cover up their flaws.
But all that only does so much
If they hate the guy and don’t want to play for him.
The effort would not be there.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
As the biggest 49ers fan here
They played hard for Singletary, very hard. Simply he wasn’t showing them how to play. It was cave man football to the best of their abilities. Harbaugh is getting the same effort but putting them in position to play effectively against opponents and win.
Not arguing that
I would think that they would not have nearly the success they have had if they were out there going through the motions because they hated the coach.
However you want to look at it, the point remains:
Harbaugh is a prime example of what good coaching can do for a team, regardless of the sport.
It’s pretty evident that the Kings have mediocre coaching at best and improving it certainly wouldn’t do any more damage.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Many correct positions above.
Coaching is essential. Anyone who legitimately thinks that coaching doesn’t matter in ANY sport legitimately doesn’t know anything about sports IMO.
Winning coaches win EVERYWHERE.
Personally, I LOVE the Harbaugh comparison. Great, great example. Same team (almost), vastly different outcome. A good coach puts players in a position to excel. To acquire Salmons and not make use of his play-making ability would be moronic – for instance, or playing Tyreke at the two and asking him to score from the perimeter – idiotic. He can’t do that (at least yet). Trade Beno – rely on Jimmer as a one – moronic. You don’t rely on an unknown commodity.
This franchise has made a slew of bad bets. They need to start undoing them. You need to build stability and continuity before you start gambling. You need to be able to absorb a bad decision, not make poor decisions habitual. Why do you think that winning franchises win consistently?
They love the guy and want to play for him.
If the kings had a guy they loved and wanted to play for him, I guarantee they would play better.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
Accidently posted this at the bottom...
They bought into Harbaugh in his system. Listen to 49er player interviews they all say the same thing. The coaches make the game easier for them. They actually TEACH them what to do, how to do it, and why they’re doing it.
They’re all ears and fully committed to the system, and look what happened.
by rainingbuckets on Dec 31, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yes it does.
Having a coach that would play to the teams strength, implement an offensive system, hold players accountable, who hasn’t started to lose the locker room who helps to develop players and works with them to correct mistakes and bad habits so they don’t manifest themselves for two whole years would matter.
It would matter a lot.
I know the players are pros and should act accordingly, but because of everything else I have seen, I am convinced that Westphal has failed his players and this organization.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
The players need someone
that is going to make them want to hustle their ass back on defense.
Should they have to need that? No, but it sounds like they aren’t listening to PW’s voice.
And that's my point
Yes, the players should be professional enough to try and get better, quit going through the motions, and play with some heart and energy. They should do that all by themselves.
But they are frustrated and have probably started to give up on Westphal, which honestly, I am surprised it didn’t happen sooner, seeing as from what I can tell, he has failed them pretty badly.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
It is a lot easier to play with heart and energy when there is a cohesive plan that everyone can buy into.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Amazing how we took a complete 180 in less than a week
But thats how bad the last 11 quarters have looked. If the team looks just as bad tomorrow I think it’s time to let go of Westphal and have Smart take over.
@dampania
by dampania on Dec 31, 2011 9:37 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
I think Westphal's got a couple more weeks to right the ship
Less if the recent suckitude doesn’t improve at least somewhat.
"His D was a difference at the end."
Agree
Premature to dump the coach after a few awful games. A few weeks will be telling, either a turn around or crash and burn.
I believe Theus was fired after 24 games
I think Westphal will get canned after about a dozen if this shit continues.
"His D was a difference at the end."
I think they should start looking now, if they haven't started already.
Oh, that’s right. Petrie is close with PW. That could be a problem.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Let's say we do fire Westphal?
Who’s a legit option to replace him? Personally I’m against hiring ex-head coaches, they were fired before for a reason. I say we try to get one a good college coach
by FTFeli on Dec 31, 2011 9:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Lets bring in Calipari to coach his old players amiright?
The whole point of this country is if you want to eat garbage, balloon up to 600 pounds and die of a heart attack at 43, you can! You are free to do so. To me, that's beautiful.---Ron Swanson
Options are limited in season
To basically the assistants and guys who are between gigs. Smart is the obvious choice unless he gets a DUI.
"His D was a difference at the end."
How About
Wes Unseld, Bill Fitch, Jack Ramsey. Maybe even a Gene Shue or what the hell, See if Willis Reed has any interest
Norm
by EJ08 on Dec 31, 2011 10:07 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I hear John Wooden is available
"His D was a difference at the end."
by NewEraKings on Dec 31, 2011 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
I think you hear wrong
and bow your head when you write his name
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Lew Alcinder expressed interest in coaching at one time
Norm
by EJ08 on Dec 31, 2011 10:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
We tried Bill Russell a while ago
You may remember it didn’t go so well. Hall of Fame players without a coaching resume don’t necessarily make good coaches.
by Capt. Factorial on Dec 31, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
The pride of Power Memorial
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Adelman?
You mean that old-school coach that had a system and fit players into that system, and made the playoffs eight years in a row? That old retread?
Norm
by EJ08 on Jan 1, 2012 10:42 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
For all the good things you can say about Adelman
He eventually seems to rub people the wrong way. His tenure in Houston was surprisingly short IMO.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
They succeed because
They bought into Harbaugh in his system. Listen to 49er player interviews they all say the same thing. The coaches make the game easier for them. They actually TEACH them what to do, how to do it, and why they’re doing it.
They’re all ears and fully committed to the system, and look what happened.
Unfortunately, I was at tonight's game (cough, debacle)
and I observed something interesting. I think it was during the 2nd or early 3rd quarter when NY had an inbound pass stolen and we scored. D’Antoni called a 20 second timeout even though they were leading by about 12 or 14. He either wanted to settle his team down or chew some ass (from Sec 211 it’s hard to tell which). In other words he was coaching during the game. But it got me thinking, when was the last time we saw Westy do something like that?
I was at the Laker game and it is hard for me to believe I was watching the same team tonight. Our guys stand in one spot as if they were nailed to the floor, we don’t pass the ball, we can’t hit free throws, etc., etc., etc. While I don’t think it is all the coach’s fault, I do think a lot of it is. The players need to step up and share in the responsibility. If we don’t start playing smart soon (like tomorrow night) you can kiss this season bye bye.
Just my 2 cents.
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Or whisky if that’s your thing, which it is.
by Jimmy Martin on Dec 31, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
...not really...
…but i did have that feeling at the game during a few of the many inept stretches anyways… ha!
She's been in Minnesota for the past 2 weeks
Trying to score with Ricky Rubio’s mom
Norm
by EJ08 on Dec 31, 2011 10:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Before everyone jumps off a bridge...
Spencer Hawes is 3rd in the league in rebounding. So things will certainly change from where they are after 4 games…
I was one of a few who thought they should hold on to him...
It is fairly well known that BIGS can take a while to mature… then again, under PW he would probably be a bigger mess… so never mind.
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
Coaching is the prob...
Granted the team does not have the best talent in the league, however I feel they should be playing better than they have, now and in the past. Quality coaching can flip a team around… case in point look at the Niners… essentially the same team but playing nothing like the team did the year before.
A coach can instill confidence and get the players to focus, and this team the last two season and now, rarely has focus or real direction. Just my nickels worth…
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
Speaking as a Detroit Lions fan that has seen more than his fair share of losses...
Harbaugh has been simply awesome for SF. Getting a coach that fits with the group of players on a franchise is HUGE! You are 100% correct with your analogy.
I’m not going to jump to any conclusions 4 games in, but Westphal does not look like he has control of this team… they keep playing this uninspired ball, he’s done.
Speaking as a Raiders fan
A new coach does not guarantee you squat. It’s easy to pick a team that turned completely around under a new coach, and say, “Look what a new coach does.” But it is just as easy to look at a lot more teams that hired new coaches and are sucking just as bad or worse.
I’m not saying PW is the best coach or even the right coach. What I am saying is that we as fans don’t have a clue whether it’s the coach not coaching or the players not executing. Yes, Cousins sounded like he was unhappy with the coach. Does that mean he is right? Love the big guy, but he is just over two years out of high school. He knows that the team is losing and he is frustrated. He doesn’t have the NBA experience to know what is broken or how to fix it. I listened to him saying “Coach says we should run his plays,” and my first thought is, “Well maybe you should try that and see if it works.”
The person I do trust is Petrie. he sees what PW is teaching. GP was a great NBA player himself and is an excellent judge of talent. So maybe, just maybe, we ought to leave it up to him to decide whether the problem is coaching or players, or heaven forbid, time. If and when he decides PW should go, I will support him 100%. Until then, I assume he knows what is going on more than a disgruntled 2nd year player.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Dec 31, 2011 11:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks.
I was under the impression that Petrie and the Kings brass were hanging on our every hyperbolic opinion. So your telling me that the fans can’t make the decision to fire a coach? Ahh… i see… I stand corrected. #Nosh*t
and to clarify
I said a coach/player fit is HUGE and that if the Kings continue to play this poorly, Westphal is done… i’m still looking for falacies in either statement…
You can make a decision to turn off the sun if you want
Not sure it will change anything, but feel free to do so. So what you are saying is that a good match between a team and coach is a good thing? Well that clears everything up. Just send a postcard explaining that to the Maloofs. Maybe you can also mention that investing heavily in casinos just before the economy tanks is not such a good idea as well.
What I am saying is obviously a good match between team and coach is great. And when you find it, it can do awesome things. But knowing whether the coach is the problem and who the right coach should be is a smidgen tougher than saying, “Do what the 49ers did.” As a Detroit fan, you should know that as well as anyone—except for possibly a lifelong Raider fan, who has seen more than his share of coaching changes to very negative effect.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
what are we arguing about? this is crazy!
I complimented Harbaugh on his coaching of the 49ers and ability to turn the team around.
All i posted was that teams need a coach that fits their team and if Westphal doesn’t prove that he fits this team he won’t be here anymore.
Why does this bother you so much! And does it really sound like i’m so outraged that i’m ready to write letters to the Maloofs…? I thought my post was pretty even-keel, and I think we both agree on mot points.. are we arguing over semantics? I don’t get it
I'm not bothered at all
And I’m not disagreeing with the Niners being turned around by a great coach, because clearly that is exactly what happened. What I am arguing with is the contention that it is obvious that a) coaching is the problem here, and b) that every coaching change will turn out as well as the niners did.
San Diego would be a clear example in my opinion of a team that obviously needs a new coach. They have solid, experienced players and yet they have failed miserably, year after year to live up to their potential. Norv Turner sucked with the raiders and he sucks as bad with the bolts.
The thing with the Kings is that it is not such a clear cut call. I’m not happy with our record this year or last. But I would be beyond shocked if bringing in a new coach now would have any significant turnaround effect. Does PW suck? Maybe. But it is just as likely the team is not running what he is calling because they are very young and haven’t played together much. If this was a team of proven veterans struggling like this, I would be calling for PW’s head as well.
No worries though bro. If you made it through the lean Lions years, you’ll make it through this too. Hope the Lions do great in the playoffs. Detroit fans deserve it.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 1, 2012 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ha.. Got it.
Yeah, i’m definitely not convinced that the problem is 100% coaching either.
My “100%” agreement was more with the ‘duh-of course’ “Quality coaching can flip a team around… case in point look at the Niners”… not necessarily the blanket – “coaching is the problem”. I don’t think anyone should be jumping off of bridges. I mean, we win 2 games and we’re back at 500, then suddenly everything is sunshine again… eb and flow of a young team. i get it.
I feel like you and I are on the same page – just needed to work through it!
Good luck to the Raiders too (you really SHOULD have beaten us anyways!… that’s a different thread entirely, though!) Happy new year.
Thanks, you too!
A good friend and co-worker of mine had lunch riding on that game. I thought I had it when the Lions fumbled. But if there’s one things the Raiders are not good at, it’s holding a late lead.
Still it would be something like the first time in like 20 years that the Raiders and Lions both make the playoffs if things work out tomorrow. Personally I’m still ticked we chose JR over Megatron. Talk about a horrible draft pick.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
It really is frustrating to watch a young team being forced to mature quickly and it seems by themselves.
But I’m also positive that all this will be worth it in the long run. My only wish is that we’ll get someone who could get a system to get the best out of our young talented group. I’m sorry but I think I’ve run out of patience for Whestphal.
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Dec 31, 2011 10:40 PM PST reply actions
That was supposed to be Chuck Hayes role
by deadenddude on Dec 31, 2011 11:02 PM PST up reply actions
hard to say
this team is such a mess that it’s not really fair to expect one guy to turn it around.
by deadenddude on Dec 31, 2011 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Cousins?
Why is no one blaming D-Cuz? Tyreke really is good at limiting his TO’s which I like.
Anyways, Cousins is probably one of the most talented offensive big man, but also the most inefficient player as well. He’s terrible in terms of FG %, I think he deserves a lot of the blame. He tries to make those fancy reverse layups…just take it up strong and put it in!
He tries to be too finesse!
So Cousins is the blame for the team doing so poorly?
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Aside from his terrible FG%
(which can be explained in part) Boogie was involved in most of the plays I´ve enjoyed so far. I`m convinced he will will be a very very good NBA player.
I don´t even understand why I´ve lost my patience in Tyreke. He´s in my fantasy team, I´ve watched all 4 games so far and there´s nothing but disappointment in Tyreke. It´s not even the FT% (which is killing my team!!), whenever he actually finishes a drive I catch myself thinking “why the hell would he finish this with the right hand?! when will he finally finish a play with his left dammit”. He´s making a lot of strange decisions although his TO´s are down, but he´s caught in midair A LOT forced to throw it to someone along with a prayer.
I´m aware he´s a young dude but there are many other young dudes in the league who improve faster. I´ve never called for PW´s head and doing so after only four games and only one of them being really bad IMO seems kinda evil, but all of a sudden the idea is in my head that Evans would have needed much more guidance than he´s gotten so far, and that is mainly PW´s job. I´m willing to wait and let the team at least get a few practises before I really get nervous, but so far this season has been even more frustrating than I had anticipated. We really need the team to be exciting and fill the arena, not leave people wondering.
Happy new year everyone.
by rubenho on Jan 1, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fox 40
Showed DMC basically throwing PW under the bus with a little “just doing what the coach tells me to do”.
I think the Maloofs will realize this week that this arena issue will be much easier if they don’t have the worst team in the NBA and PW will be gone. Replaced by Smart?
TZ: I think its time to panic.
If we get blown out by NO tomorrow
feel free to panic
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I don't think the Maloofs are too worried about the arena going smoothly
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 1:24 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Dec 31, 2011 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm officially starting the "Hire Jeff Van Gundy" movement
If you don’t play with passion, you sit on JVGs team. If six players are injured, it doesn’t matter, the team must still come prepared to the game. JVG works tirelessly and demands the same of his players, and he will do his damnedest to insure that the roster he has competes.
We finally have the toolset to field a physically intimidating team. Let that team go from intimidating to downright fearful when coached by JVG.
JVG can coach a dominant post presence deep into the playoffs. JVG can turn a player who everyone tried to dunk on as a trophy into one of the best team defenders in the game. JVG can take marginal talent and grind wins out. JVG has coached under Pat Riley, Don Nelson and Rick Pitino.
Hire JVG. It is the right choice, but it might be the only choice we have.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
and to add
I don’t think anyone’s expecting Westphal to take the Kings all the way. In fact, I vividly remember mentally justifying the hire as a “We can’t sign the right guy now, let’s sign this guy for the meantime and he will develop players till it’s time to get serious.” Not saying that was the intention with signing Westphal, but that was my expectation.
The Kings lack of movement this off-season can and should be taken as a sign that they believe their roster is achieving completion. Everything was complementary pieces, no major cornerstone seeking. From this we can assume that the Kings consider their “rebuilding” nearly complete, which to me would mean that it’s time to acquire the right coach.
That said, I’m not saying fire Westie immediately, if at all. Lord knows the changeover alone will be more damaging to the players than anything else. Also to fire him after 4 games would be an embarrassment to the team and damaging their reputation with future coaches. But I definitely think the campaign to find the new coach should begin post-haste and that search should start (and end ;) with JVG.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
If they are going to do it at all, they should do it now
The status quo of another lost season without development of your young players would be a travesty. Fix the problem now, if you’re going to fix it at all.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
by otis29 on Jan 1, 2012 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's what I'm all about
but “Fix the problem” is more important than “now”, so if it takes a while for the Kings to find a better coach, then I’d rather sit on Westphal than play musical chairs. But if they hire JVG tomorrow, I’d be right on board.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
If you think Westphal is doing more damage than good
Then an interim coach is preferable, no?
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Purely from the standpoint
Of player development. He gave Tyreke full reign during his rookie year, to exciting results, but in my mind did little teaching. Last year was not a good year for Tyreke, and this year is a rocky start. Our talented young big man was probably the most inefficient player in the NBA last year, and this year he is shooting 32% and looks lost on offense. Win or lose, our team needs someone who can develop those two, as well as give JT consistent minutes and role, and Jimmer and IT proper guidance.
I don’t care if we win 20 games this year, if we can see those players become better. I do not think PW is a teacher.
This gets me thinking
When looking back on the success that PW had before, it was mostly with good teams with experienced players. Maybe his offensive scheme of having loose plays where the players mostly figure out what to do works well with veteran guys who actually know what to do. However for young guys who don’t actually have a clue, they need a strong structured offense where they can get the feel of what to do in different situations.
Sanka....you dead? Ya Man
by prowseinthehouse on Jan 1, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah I guess so.
I just really don’t want a Kenny Natt situation, or a “Keith Smart’s doing alright and he’s cheap, let’s just stick with him for now” situation.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
I'm firmly seated on the "We should have hired Tom Thibodeau" train.
and I’m not giving up my seat.
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 1, 2012 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
Wonder how many people are still on the
“We should have hired Kurt Rambis” train?
For that matter, after Rubio just went 12, 12 and 6 against the Heat, how many people are still on the “Rubio will never be able to play in the NBA” train?
It’s great to be able to say, “I told you so.” At least the few times when I am right.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
by SavageBeast on Jan 1, 2012 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I SO FREAKING TOLD ALL OF YOU SO.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
I will be an eighty year old man and I will e-mail this page to my great-grand-children and demand they supplicate to my basketball knowledge.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Must not think about
how good Rubio would look with Cuz, MT, and Jimmer right now.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Would we have traded for MT with Rubio on the team? Would the Kings have been in a position to draft Cousins or Jimmer with Rubio?
Too many ifs my friend, step away from the cliff.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
if Rubio stayed in Spain
the Kings would have been even worse over the last two years which means better lottery odds, if anything.
Giving the Kings better lottery odds is just makes the conspiracy more obvious
(and be careful, they’re watching)
by betweentheeyes on Jan 1, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah we'd have picked 10th this year and wouldn't have been able to
trade Beno for Salmons to move down to the 10th spot for Jimmer… oh, wait… never mind.
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 2, 2012 3:21 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, didn't want Rambis, but would have been okay if that's who we'd ended up with.
Glad we didn’t, but I now believe Tommy T and Kurt were never really in the running, since they both wanted more that a 1 mil starting salary.
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 2, 2012 3:14 AM PST up reply actions
As I mention in tomorrow's GBU
I’m still thinking 4 games with extraordinary circumstances leading up to it is too small a sample size to fire a coach or trade players, but if this trend continues (the team has gotten worse in each game they’ve played) then yes by all means, I’d be on the Van Gundy train.
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Yep
I’m still holding into PW for now. But my fingernails are slipping.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
To add to that sentiment
I don’t think ANY coaching change should be made till the permanent replacement is found. There has been TOO MUCH coaching changes and that’s not something this roster needs more of. The players shouldn’t feel like they have control over their coach in any capacity.
The Kings should get their guy then make the change. But till they have their guy, I think it’s less damaging to just let the wheels fall off on the season then risk the usurpation.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
No way JVG takes this job.
Do you really think the Malindas would pony up the 5-7 mil per it would take to get him? And even if they would, I’m not sure he’d want to risk tarnishing his rep to take on this mess.
And I think he’s happily retired from the coaching ranks. Working a few days a week on TV seems like a slightly better gig than stressing 24/7 over your team. But we can hope.
by Kfan in Korea on Jan 2, 2012 3:25 AM PST up reply actions
Fire PW after only 4 games, 1-3 record? Isn’t that a little premature? Most of this team has only been playing together for a couple weeks. Hopefully they’ll be motivated to kick some but tomorrow.
1-3 PLUS 2 years of trying to figure out a line up and system...
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
by kromeace on Jan 1, 2012 12:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep
It’s totally PW’s fault that he doesn’t have the same line-up he had two years ago.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Actually
if his claims on having input on the rosters is true, then that sarcastic statement isn’t entirely incorrect :)
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Yeah
But I look at the starting line-up we had when PW started and I’m really glad that’s not who we are starting now.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Haha, I know
I’m just being an ass. It’s 5 am here, I should be sleeping.
GREENE! You’ve been superfluously apostrophe’d! - andy sims
iashwash, you are the voice of reason - Holmdel
Yeah, we don't have the same team
But we’re just as bad, if not even worse, than we were back then. Get it through your mind, we have terrible coaching with no system. You guys keep saying it is only four games. No it isn’t. This is the third year, and as long as the coach continues to say “We will play an offense that responds to the defense” rather than “We will have a set offense that their defense needs to respond to” we will always be terrible.
I am struggling to believe you actually watch games, SavageBeast, if you don’t think there is a problem with our coaching.
By the way, excellent post Akyis.
I’m amazed at how quickly you got this out. Very professional.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
I think this one is on the players.
Yeah PW has his flaws, but for players who get paid millions to do what they do, this isn’t acceptable. They looked really bad in the 1st half, not being able to score, and some of the TO’s are wtf…
I think the Lockout hurt the Kings, as there was no time for nobody to gel, and I don’t care how professional you are, with the team as young an inexperienced as it is, that time is critical….
I believe the second half of the season will be better (not saying great), once the team works out some chemistry together…
I like Cisco in this rotation better than Outlaw in this current state. Perhaps even TC should be getting some junk minutes!
wait???
Has PW missed any FT ? No Has he missed wide open lay ups? No but the blame goes on him if this team made 70% of their free throw this is much better team. PW might be a bad coach but this team misses a lot of shots/lay ups NBA teams make IMO
I love a team that never quits
by Howard Nevens IV on Jan 1, 2012 5:04 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure better free throw shooting would have won any of the games they've lost
No excuses though, that one is definitely on the players.
Doesn’t change the fact that we’re seeing nothing cohesive on the offensive side of the ball AGAIN. That’s on coaching IMO.
"I DECLARE BANKRUPTCY!" - Michael Scott
Is it PW's responsibility to get them to PRACTICE free throws...
and to adhere to the script… assuming PW has a script/system/plan/clue/ouija board.
PW is a rudderless ship and has been since he arrived. His first season he tinkered with the rotation throughout the entire year, claiming he need needed to understand what he had. The team changes every year so by default he has already admitted he does not know what to do with what he has. When you get the cheapest guy on the market… this is the product he helps create.
The team is NOT inspired to play TEAM ball… that rests with the coach.
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
westphal
should at least have some plays in his playbook. tyreke has the skills to get 5 asssts a game and it should happen by running a decent play w good timing and an open shot for jimmer or thorn ton off a screen set by somebody else. 4 players moving at once to arrive at a completed runned play w 10 Seconds left on th shot clocl. bam write up a couple of those and run them a few timesa gave. better yet have them study gametape of the old kings offense and imitate accordinly and to the best of their ability
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