Kings Pop Up In Tyson Chandler Rumors
by Tom Ziller on Dec 5, 2011 10:16 PM PST
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The Sacramento Kings have now been mentioned as having interest in a major free agent, this one Tyson Chandler. Ken Berger reported Monday that the Kings are one of four teams who have registered serious interest in the 29-year-old center, who won a title with the Dallas Mavericks last season and made second-team All-Defense. (See the discussion in an earlier FanShot.)
After hearing only about the Kings' interest in their own free agents (Marcus Thornton and Samuel Dalembert) and second-tier players like Chuck Hayes, Nick Young and J.J. Barea thus far, Chandler's a nice shake-up. With the second-tier players, the question is not whether the Kings can compete financially in the market; it's a matter of whether the Kings are willing to overpay to bring in a mid-rung talent. No team has more cap space than the Kings, or as much room to make up under the payroll floor.
But it's easy to imagine the other suitors being willing to keep up with the Kings in a bidding war for Chandler. By using the amnesty clause, the Warriors and Nets can offer Chandler the max. (Bidding for him shouldn't go that high.) The Rockets can get close. The Kings have no real financial advantage there without going truly overboard. So then it comes down to Chandler's preference. I love the future of Sacramento's team ... but clearly the Rockets and Nets are closer to competing for the playoffs, and you could argue a Curry-Ellis-Lee-Chandler core in Golden State would be right there. In Sacramento? We might need a couple more years ... or so.
But if the Kings can legitimately woo Chandler and the price isn't too outrageous (by Win Shares, Chandler was worth $13.8 million last season), it's a no-brainer. His elite defense and efficient offense is a perfect match for DeMarcus Cousins; Chandler just turned 29 in October, so the final year of a four-season deal (the max for a non-Bird free agent) would see the center at 32 years old. For a little bit of perspective, Vlade Divac turned 31 a few days before his first game as a Sacramento King. (Chandler also doesn't smoke a pack a day.) A player like Chandler won't solve all of the Kings' problems -- putting together a more efficient offense has and will remain a concern that primarily falls in the hands of Cousins and Tyreke Evans -- but it'd be a big coup for the club.
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Amick said Chandler is looking for max money... LOL
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
ya I read that too
Max money for a defensive center?! Idk about that. What kinda contract is he really going to end up with
by ivAAron on Dec 5, 2011 10:46 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
I'm also looking for a max NBA deal
No offers yet.
Read: Toblerone Jones
by Neil Manich on Dec 5, 2011 11:53 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
I'm looking for a minimum NBA deal
No offers yet.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 6, 2011 7:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's because you sound desperate.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 6, 2011 8:16 AM PST up reply actions
$80 mill for 4 years I believe would be correct if the per $20 million rumor were true
by wallywagon11 on Dec 5, 2011 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
He's not getting 20 mill.
That’s just trumping up to get people to notice. The most Chandler could get (under the old CBA) was 19 million, and that’s before the 12% reduction for this CBA. The most Chandler could get (max mind you) is 16.75 mill.
If the Kings are going to pay Chandler, They are likely to start somewhere in the 14-16 million range. Overpaying Chandler has it’s benefits and drawbacks. The biggest drawback is the 4th year really, which, in the grand scheme of things is not that big of a deal. The biggest benefit is that the Kings will have no problem reaching the salary floor.
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Actually...
…this is still correct in reality, but not in terms of the scale. It’s 35% of the salary cap or scale for 10+ years of service players (whichever amount is larger), and technically that would be 20.3154 million. When you take that down by 12% though (according to the proposal put forth by Amick), it will be 17.88 million (rounded slightly up).
I would be shocked if the Kings gave Chandler the max. But, then again, I’ve been shocked before. On the other hand, I wouldn’t really have a problem paying Chandler 4 years and 65 million as long as it was front loaded (meaning more money at the beginning of the contract than at the end).
Sorry for the confusion on the original comment.
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Would make the kings a legit threat very fast in the west. contender status in my opinion. The amount of money is steep tho and we can be a contender eventually even without Chandler.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 6, 2011 8:00 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Definitely playoffs without a doubt. Finals?? Not sure, but who knows. Kings do have squad!! might be wiser to save the money tho for when it’s pay day for Evans & Cousins. But they do have to spend money now. How do you guys think they should spend their money??
Ninja King
“Ballers” who won 24 games last season. I like our chances to improve, maybe 35 wins, but I saw you claiming we’re better than the Lakers in another thread. You need to come back down to Earth.
they annihilate us
1-5. We may be better 6-12, but those aren’t the decisive players.
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
Even the Lakers think their team is over rated!
I do believe they are trying to trade everybody right now! They want good players to surround Kobe with – apparently they don’t believe they have those at the present!
You can run a lot of plays when your X is twice as big as the other guys' O. It makes your X's and O's pretty good. ---- Paul Westphal
That's one way to interpret it
Another would be that, having Paul and Howard as your two anchors would look pretty nice as Kobe declines/retires.
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
How are
one of the best shooting guard that has ever played the game (I hate him probably more than the rest of the world, since I understand not only the bullshit he tells in english, but also the ones in italian), maybe the most skilled big man in the game right now, a very good if not great young center, one of the best lockdown defenders in the league and a very special player like Odom overrated?
I’m not saying they are the best, and they probably aren’t the top team in the league anymore, but they’re way more skilled than our roster right now
"Even when I’m old and grey, I won’t be able to play it, but I’ll still love the game." — Michael Jordan
Go Kings!
Not really
I agree with you on Kobe. Gasol is good but people give him too much credit. Btw, Dalembert locked Gasol down last year everytime they matched up. LOCKED DOWN!! Cousins is already better than Bynum. Odom is solid but I like our guys chances matched up against him. Kobe is really the only real concern.
Ninja King
Don't know about that
Gasol’s numbers against the Kings are only slightly down against last year’s overall averages. He still shot 50% from the field. Not exactly locked down, IMO. To be fair, I didn’t break down the numbers enough to see how many minutes Sammy played in each matchup. My memory doesn’t match up with yours though.
Gasol’s a really good player. Bynum’s an excellent player when healthy (and no way is Cousins remotely as good as Bynum YET). Odom is a matchup nightmare. And Kobe’s Kobe.
Make no mistake, the Lakers are significantly more talented 1-5 right now. Evans and Cousins’ development (and Kobe’s retirement) could certainly change that in the future though.
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
by otis29 on Dec 7, 2011 5:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see how Bynum is better than Cousins. Might currently be a better post player, & maybe jump higher, but other than that, Cousins can do a lot of things Bynum can’t. Cousins also dominated Bynum as a rookie. I respect Bynum and I know he’s a solid center. I just think cousins is better in certain areas. Bynum doesn’t have a mid-range game like Cousins at all, nor can he handle the ball in any way like DMC. As far as Gasol goes, he did solid against us whenever Dalembert was on the bench. When Sammy was inserted, Gasol’s contribution was small. This is one area that most Kings fans who don’t want to re-sign Sammy are overlooking: his defense. especially against the top bigs in the league. I viewed him as our best defensive big last season. Odom is cool, but he never does big things against our guys. Kobe is Kobe. Other than him, I really don’t view the Lakers players as being better than ours. Ours just lack the experience that LA has. But our guys are coming into their own now. We’ll be fine.
Ninja King
Okey dokey then
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
In a theoretical world
if the world were to end at the end of the season and we knew it and the only way we could survive as a species is to have a better record than the Lakers this year and Dr. Buss, out of love of his own life, offers the entire Laker roster for the entire Kings roster, would you take it?
I have a feeling when you talk about more talent you are not talking about the same thing as others.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 6, 2011 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
Well
I don’t think alot of people know real basketball talent. I think they know stats, amounts of games teams won the season before, & people buy into what ESPN & the NBA hype up. Not to say those guys on the Lakers aren’t good. They are, and Kobe is great. But, the Kings have a better group of ballers. Kobe just takes the Lakers to that next level. He’s a superstar. We don’t have a superstar yet. We have a couple potential superstars who are still learning & growing.
Ninja King
35 wins...
Don’t forget… 35 wins this year would be 2 gamesover .500. I think we would all take that. That would possibly get us into the playoffs but I would curb my enthusiasm a little. We have 3 new important players that are going to have to be implemented into the system without much of a training camp or pre-season games. Hickson, Salmons, and Fredette may not fit in right away… or ever. Let’s hope all of our optimism (which nobody else in the country seems to share with us) comes to fruition quickly and we start another long playoff run HERE IN SACRAMENTO this year.
Am I the only one who doesn't want the Kings to make the playoffs? I would like a Top 5 pick this draft
Yes, I crossed that line
.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 5, 2011 11:47 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, Terence Jones, John Henson, Jeremy Lamb, Andre Drummond, yes even Mason Plumlee
I won’t even mention Bradley Beal or Austin Rivers. C’mon, just one more high lottery chance. Just one more before the next leap can be lept.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 6, 2011 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
Playoffs or top 5 pick
Would be happy with either one but not in between.
by Josh L on Dec 6, 2011 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
10-14th and let the ping pong balls finally bounce in our favor.
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maybe it's best not to spend big this offseason then & wait another year
because if this team gets a free agent like some of the names reported, we MIGHT not be in the lottery next year
Ninja King
I feel that way too
I want the guys to compete every night and see improveme on chemistry and maturity but just miss the playoffs. Maybe be around the 8th pick n have a chance on players like Anthony Davis, Barnes, P. Jones if the balls bounce our way.
by Chent on Dec 6, 2011 8:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I love the talent in this draft
But if this team gets any younger, we’re going to have to change our mascot from a Lion to sperm.
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Good God, a Max deal?
No way Jose.
I’d rather have Nene anyway.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
I didn't know about the max deal either
But nene really? Average rebounder, decent defender and way too high usage for my liking. I’ll take the elite defender, and overall effiecient center, thanks.
by SoCal Diplomat on Dec 6, 2011 12:09 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Efficient is Nene's middle name.
Before he changed it perhaps.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 6, 2011 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
I wouldn't pay Calderon a max deal either.
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by kwill on Dec 6, 2011 12:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Chandler must have good advanced stats
because I’m looking at his box scores and I just don’t see why people love him so much. Am I just not appreciating his “intangibles”?
by who betta than kanyon? on Dec 6, 2011 12:37 AM PST reply actions
No kidding
Chuck Hayes would be perceived as worth $12 million per season if he was show cased against Bosh in Finals.
I was in Europe during the finals
I must have missed some bad ass Chandler games :)
by who betta than kanyon? on Dec 6, 2011 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Chandler would be great
He’s a defensive player you won’t see what he does in box scores. He right after Dirk was the reason they were able to win a title in Dallas. If the price tag doesn’t get to outrageous would be great on this squad. He dosen’t need the ball to be effective.
I'd be a lot more excited about Chandler if he had Vlade's knack for staying healthy.
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I bet he'll get 4 years, $60 mill
Which is too much for the Kings to spend IMO. I’d be interested in 4/$60m, but I don’t think that’s too likely. 60 mill is a lot to offer on an injury risk, regardless of his defense/offensive efficiency.
4years/60 million is a little steep
but when you factor in that The Kings have to spend 17 million just to get to the minimum, maybe it’s not such a bad move. I’d rather they spend that much on Chandler than spend the same amount on two or three lesser players. If the signed Chander to 4/60 and Thornton to 4/30 that would put them right around the cap level for the next few seasons with enough contracts expiring by 2014 to be in good shape for retaining Evans and Cousins.
think maybe we can do a trade with utah ?
Several trade combinations would work for the Lakers. For instance, they could send Gasol to New Orleans for Paul, and Bynum to Orlando for Howard. If the Lakers threw Odom into the trade to Orlando, they could sweeten the offer for the Magic by taking back the contract of Hedo Turkoglu. I hear League executives say the Utah Jazz’s excitement over young big men Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors has them shopping Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap … wonder if the kings talked to utah about Al Jeferson.
I would never EVER facilitate a trade that gets the Lakers Chris Paul and Dwight Howard.
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by Shizzo on Dec 6, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+ 1,000,000,000
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
I wish
it was Friday, so I could stop guessing and wondering what the Kings are going to do. I feel a trade will be in the works, but I don’t know anything……..
Chandler is a ROCK
and he would single handed-ly:
1. STOP the endless stream of penetrators that seem to infect the Key near our basket, and
2. START the playoff talk in Sactown.
Not to mention he would provide a fiery veteran presence in a BIG way.
We have the cast to over spend NOW and still pay our young stars BIG in 4 years.
Chandler is this decade’s Vlade addition to the roster! (Minus the cigs and charisma lol)
Make it happen Mr. Petrie. We still believe!
You can run a lot of plays when your X is twice as big as the other guys' O. It makes your X's and O's pretty good. ---- Paul Westphal
Sorry CASH to spend I meant
Although we do have quite a cast ;)
You can run a lot of plays when your X is twice as big as the other guys' O. It makes your X's and O's pretty good. ---- Paul Westphal
Chandler is this decade’s Vlade addition to the roster! (Minus the cigs and charisma lol)
And passing/shooting ability
by HeuristicLineup on Dec 6, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
And flopping.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 6, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would rather overpay someone with mid-to-high talent,
then be stuck with 3 Beno Udrihs to get to the salary floor.
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Exactly
That’s actually mu biggest fear is that The Kings won’t be able to a Chandler/Nene/Gasol/Dalembert caliber player and will have to blow their wad signing a trio of overpaid bench warmers.
I think
every single agent has had this talk:
Agent: You have any interest in playing for Sacramento?
Player: No. I don’t like it there.
Agent: Well, they HAVE to spend like 18 million to get to the floor ….
Player: No. I want to play with (insert All Star here) in (insert big market city here)
Agent: But they can only offer you the MLE …. Sac can give you the max!!
Player: Really …. but does Sacramento have a White Castle?
Agent: No, but they a lot of In and Out’s ….
Player: I guess that’s all right. But I’d still rather play in (insert lame city here)
Agent: Well I’m going to say that they’re interested in you, for s**ts and giggles. They have the most money to spend, so people will buy that they’re interested in you. We’ll get a bidding war started for you.
Player: well …. they DO have Hassan Whiteside …..
by Dub_TC on Dec 6, 2011 7:55 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
I think your right. The only way this is going to change is if..
Reke and DMC become all-stars and gain respect around the league. Then players will actually want to come play with them, otherwise I’m with you, it will never happen in FA.
Sometimes you just have to look yourself in the mirror and say....Tyreke Evans.
That just happened.
anyone else depressed
at the idea of spending $16-18mil on Tyson Chandler? Before the finals this guy was pretty much off everyones radar.
I know when I saw how much money the Kings were able to spend this offseason I didn’t go around saying “giving $18mil/yr to Chandler would be a great way to spend that cash, hes the big name star we’ve been waiting for!!”
Guy can play some defense, and is efficient in his small offensive roles. I don’t think that translates to a max deal. I’d rather sign Sammy for half the price. Chandler isn’t going to sell tickets either.
I'd much rather have Nene, then Gasol, then Chandler
Actually, I’d go Nene, Dalembert, Gasol then Chandler. Not that I dislike Chandler, but the money he’ll be getting is a product of one good year with a championship team.
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
I think Gasol is a bit overrated
Someone’s going to overpay big time for him, and if it’s us I’d rather we overpaid for Nene. Or get Dalembert at a more reasonable amount.
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
I calculated a 4 year $62.6 mil contract for Chandler
As TZ states, his win shares made him worth $13.8 mil last year. Round up to $14 mil for the first year and add the 7.5% annual raises for veterans. That gives you $15.1, $16.1, and $17.4 mil to round out the contract. And the 4th year, he will only be 32. This is a totally fair contract for a proven big IMO.
But if DeAndre Jordan is going to sign 5 year $40 mil contract, will this elevate the contract numbers for bigs like Nene, Chandler, Gasol, and Dalembert?
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
Why sign Chandler to all that money when you can probably get Dalembert back for cheaper? They essentially do the same things.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 6, 2011 9:23 AM PST reply actions
Um...
I have to respectfully disagree. Dally is more of a shot blocker. Chandler is a presence in the middle that defenders will have a much harder time getting past physically. Shot blocking is a part of defense, sure – but people will have to respect the physicality of Chandler’s game in a way they don’t have to with Dalembert IMO
You can run a lot of plays when your X is twice as big as the other guys' O. It makes your X's and O's pretty good. ---- Paul Westphal
Chandler is a presence in the middle defenders will have a hard time getting past? I think you mean offensive players because I do not view him as a low post threat offensively. More of a put back and grab the garbage guy.
I do agree Chandler is a great defender but he’s also a guy that misses a ton of time due to injury. I also think Dally is a great defender as well and is much more than a weakside shot blocker.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 6, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
Dee-fense !
Whether they stay too young and go for another top 10 draft pick in next year’s draft, the Kings aren’t going to make any leaps until they add somebody to the lineup that makes playing D a priority. A guy like Chandler could make a huge impression on Whiteside (who has the same raw talent that TC had 10 years ago coming out of HS), not to mention DMC, Greene, JT and JJ …. and suddenly the entire front line thinks about defending the hoop for the first time since 4ever … Very good and great teams know how to play D.
exactly
Having Chandler as an anchor will make our wings look better defensively. Also will reduce the energy DMC has to spend on D. We are going to be starting either Jimmer or Thornton all season at guard, and having Chandler will make that position harder to exploit for teams. Chandler is better than Dally because he has much better judgement on where to be on D and when to take risks.
We have enough players that can score on this team (although ball movement will be key this year to our success)
"First we get jobs, then we get the khakis, then we get the chicks."
This is probably all moot anyways
Because when it comes down to it I bet Cuban will just go way over the cap to keep Chandler. Cuban is one of the few owners who is willing and able to to go 20-30 million over the cap.
My thoughts exactly.
Its a nice thought to entertain, but Cuban is actually a smart investor and Chandler is what put the perennially soft Mavericks over the top to win it all last year. Inside D made all the difference for them. Nothing against Damp, but he’s not nearly as mobile and staunch defensively as Chandler. ALL the difference for the Mavs and Cuban will go all in on him no matter what the bid is, I guarantee it…
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
Except
that the Mavs are reportedly focused on clearing cap space for 2012.That may very well mean basking in the glow of a championship for a shortened season, clearing the decks, and reloading.
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