The Spurs have decided to use the amnesty clause on contract of Richard Jefferson, league sources tell Y! Sports. He has 3 years, $30M left.
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Hey, we need more depth and experience at the wing, and Jefferson was 5th in 3P% last year. I’d be all for the Kings bidding on him. The one area the Kings are still really weak is the wing. With Salmons and Jefferson that’d be fixed, and we could even run a big lineup of Tyreke, Salmons, Jefferson, with Thornton as the primary scoring punch off the bench.
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by Aykis16 on Dec 7, 2011 10:50 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Question is how much would you bid
I think I’d be willing to bid somewhere in the 5-6 million per year range, essentially MLE money but for an above average wing. He was overpaid before and I think a 50% paycut would be just right for his value.
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This is the interesting part of the game, isn't it?
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
If Calderon and Jefferson both get amnestied
We could shore up our two biggest weaknesses for good player who were just in bad contracts.
Isn't Jefferson the kind of player that the big contender teams will be looking to throw their MLE at?
I would think that if the Kings decide they want Jefferson, they would at least need to outbid the MLE (by $1). Then they’d only be bidding against the other teams with cap room. For the record, I’d totally be for that. There are a limited number of quality veterans out there for the Kings to grab without way overpaying. With all of his weaknesses, Jefferson would probably be one of our more consistent players on the court this season. I don’t know for sure what kind of “locker room presence” RJ has, but I don’t recall ever hearing anything negative in that regard, and those sorts of things are usually somewhat unpredictable, anyways, as far as how individual players will fit into an overall team dynamic.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 7, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Only teams under the cap can bid
Contenders don’t have cap room.
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Ah, didn't know you can't use your MLE on an amnesty player.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 7, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
Also, I hope you realize that you could be making up whatever you want about this amnesty stuff right now and no one could call you on it.
For all we know, you’re the foremost expert on the thing. I think you should be pushing things like “David Stern spins a big wheel to decide the winning amnesty bid” or “amnestied players are required to where a scarlet ‘A’ on their jerseys for the remainder of their contract” and see if any of it spreads around.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 7, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Amnesty basics:
If a player gets amnestied, then first bids come in from teams under the cap. Highest bid gets the player. If nobody bids, then it goes to the normal waiver wire and anyone can sign them.
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Not quite, based on what I have heard
Player goes through normal waivers first. Anyone can claim the player for the full value of their current contract. If nobody claims that, it goes to the teams with cap space to bid for a portion of the contract. After that player becomes a free agent to sign with any team.
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Ah ok.
But nobody in their right mind would claim them off waivers for their full contract.
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Kahn does love small forwards!!
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 7, 2011 11:50 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
That was so 2011.
Now he loves PFs.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
I see his plan now
2010 = PG
2011 = SF
2012 = PF
….2 more years in the lottery, and he will have his team!
No because he would have lost his PGs in free agency.
It’s a vicious cycle up there.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
So what's the general play here on amnestied contracts?
Do you think management looks at what they consider legitimate value for the player, or do they try to throw out a lowball offer and hope they get lucky?
This is like Texas Hold ’em.
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That would be a fun way of doing it.
Make all interested GMs go into a room together and stare each other down for several minutes looking for “tells” before writing down their bid on a secret ballot. I have a feeling Petrie would clean up at that game.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 7, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately, though, I think most GMs will probably treat it like making an offer to a Free Agent, not really try to get a "steal".
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Question:
Do owners all only put out 1 offer and the player gets the highest? Or can they keep bidding up and up until everybody else refuses?
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like the more knowledgeable people here are saying it's just one bid and that's it.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Dec 7, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Player gets his original money still
, the winning bidder just discounts what the original team pays. The original team also loses that contract off their cap.
Still haven’t heard anything about the bidding process.
This is what I've seen the process as being as well.
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What is the timeline?
Between the player going to normal waiver and then the bidding starting.
by The Guy on the Couch on Dec 7, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
What if two teams want to claim the player for the full price?
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good question
but i’m going to assume that any such player would not be amnestied.
They have to account for the possibility.
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It immediately triggers a clause in the CBA that stars a new lockout
Same clause is triggered if Jerome James or Eddy Curry signs another contract for over 5 million per season.
What's the depth chart look like if the Kings get him?
by #12Pick...who? on Dec 7, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Assuming Thornton re-signs and Dalembert leaves (which is where I'm leaning)
PG: Tyreke, Jimmer, Isaiah
SG: Thornton, Cisco
SF: Salmons, Jefferson, Honeycutt
PF: Thompson, Hickson
C: Cousins, Whiteside
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And as I said
that could be modified to put Salmons and Jefferson in the starting lineup with Thornton being the super 6th man.
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That's what I was thinking
Salmons as a starting SG who guards the other team’s star SG or SF, Jefferson at SF who gets to guard whoever Beno would’ve guarded, and Thornton in the B-Jax role off the bench.
by #12Pick...who? on Dec 7, 2011 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Donte does not approve
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by Shizzo on Dec 7, 2011 11:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 9 recs
Damn, I knew I was missing someone
Add him ahead of Honeycutt. That would put us at 13 players too.
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Probably still need to sign a Vet C too
I don’t know if Whiteside is ready to part of the 4 big rotation. The Kings would probably stash Isaiah or Honeycutt in Reno and go with Jimmer/Thornton as ballhandlers when needed.
by #12Pick...who? on Dec 7, 2011 11:17 AM PST up reply actions
If Cousins is our starting Center with Whiteside as his backup
We are in for a long season
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Chuck Hayes as well
Sorry, but this is a story line that is all to familiar. Half-way to mediocre. Let’s see what happens but I am preparing myself for disappointment already. I hate hate hate that I am doing that already. Effin’ Malindas
by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2011 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
I think the Malindas have or will make a mandate that the team reach the contract floor and that’s it.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Dec 7, 2011 11:21 AM PST up reply actions
I was just saying that to LPA
I want something exciting to happen. But I can just feel that it won’t.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Using $26M for Hayes, Jefferson and re-signing Thornton
Sounds too much like Brian Skinner, Kenny Thomas and the return of Corliss Williamson. And that is not a good memory
by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
I know I am pulling out the panic button early
I will use the “I am a Kings Fan” (2008-present) defense, and the “once a Malinda always a Malinda” as the primary source of my worry.
by betweentheeyes on Dec 7, 2011 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Big nasty!
Except this time it’s little nasty!
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Vet Presence
I think a player like Battier would be perfect for our young tea, but that looks very unlikely. Any idea if Jefferson is that type of veteran leader?
Think back to Draft Day...
Wasn’t Jefferson’s contract bandied about as the ballast we’d have to take on for the possibility of obtaining Tony Parker?
At 10 mil,
he’s a ballast. At 4 mil, he’s a veteran leader who nails corner threes.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Ime Udoka?
Oh, you said leader…and nails…
by #12Pick...who? on Dec 7, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ime will only live in my memory
during the comeback against the Bulls. Other than that, I have no recollection.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2011 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Think 50% around here wanted to take the offer. Of course it’s easy to say yes, it’s not a contract they have to try to pay with no money.
Just think, the deal (IIRC) would have netted us Tony Parker
And we’d be the team amnestying (yes, I made a word) RJ.
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Is it open or closed bidding?
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one would have to think that would be the case
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
what about the professional auctioneer unionized workers?
Its a recession!
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by sac_faithful on Dec 7, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it needs to be an auction!
First, they oil up the players and then parade them in front of all the owners, in cuffs if possible, then the owners bid auction style and the winner gets to have his new player march back to the plantation in front of his wagon!
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 7, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
What time is it there?
You’re obviously hopped up on some kind of illegal substance!
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Should I have gone with the Roman slave auction motif instead?
by Kfan in Korea on Dec 7, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
Thsi takes me to
NBA union attorney Jeffrey Kessler has apologized for saying that owners are treating players “like plantation workers,” adding that he doesn’t want to become a distraction during the tense negotiations.
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by Widowwolf on Dec 7, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm game. 2 years 8-11 mill total.
Then we could have the 3 point firing squad off the bench with Jimmer, Cisco and Jefferson. Weeee!
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by sac_faithful on Dec 7, 2011 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
Currently its a player option
Don’t know if that carries over or what happens in an amnesty situation.
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That's right.
I forgot Cisco can play SG.
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I'm all for bidding on Jefferson
Does anyone know how it works in terms of bidding an player who has been amnestied, if there are multiple teams interested in the player?
I imagine high bid wins
but all of the details haven’t been released since this is the first time this has occurred.
From my understanding,
how much we bid is how much we pay – assuming we win. Then the Spurs would pay the remaining balance.
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by DTG13 on Dec 7, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Right
I meant if there are multiple teams interested. Does each team make a bid and the highest wins? Or do the lower bidders have a chance to increase their offer? Sorry, I should have been more clear when I posted that other message.
Silent auction style
Teams make one bid, high bid wins.
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by Exhibit G on Dec 7, 2011 11:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Simpler way to put it. Haha
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Yeah, that makes sense
And I figured that was how it worked. But I’d be lying if I said I didn’t secretly love the idea of a setup resembling this.
by Christina_J on Dec 7, 2011 12:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
now I have to know
what did Bart get for his $1??
A factory, duh
Factory/abandoned warehouse. Homer’s Enemy, season 8. GO WATCH IT NOW. One of my all-time favorite episodes. Milhouse is the nightwatchman at Bart’s factory.
I think the team using the amnesty on a player
would prefer the NBA to auction the player, I think you could potentially drive up a players value with two or more teams re-bidding.
Haha it's ok. My powers aren't fully functioning in the morning.
To answer your first question, only teams with cap space can bid. So, not every team.
And your second question, I’m positive (but not too much) that teams that bid have to put into perspective that it has to fall under the salary cap.
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If we can pick him up on a cheap bid, I'm all for it
I’m assuming the bids will top out at around $5 mil/season for him.
I'd rather have Jefferson than Salmons.
Not that we’d have to do an either/or, but…
Jefferson at $5-6M/year I’m good with.
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I would be fine with the Kings bidding for Jefferson.
Other than Salmons, who is a competent player that can play SF? Greene? No. Garcia? Not really. Honeycutt? Not ready. Tyreke? Out of position.
If we get two guys that can play the SF position in Salmons & Jefferson together, they will produce.
Rebuilding the Kings.
A depth chart of:
PG Evans,Jimmer,Thomas
SG Thornton,Garcia,Honeycutt
SF Salmons,Jefferson,Greene
PF Cousins,Hickson,Thompson
C Chandler,Hayes,Whiteside
That would be a pretty good offseason IMO.
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 7, 2011 11:40 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
Agree. But don't think Chandler is coming here.
I really think at this point he could wind up in Golden State with Paul. Unless the Clippers step up their game.
It's better watching them than the Greene/Casspi suck-a-thon for the past year or so.
But seriously, Jefferson is really not a bad player. I think he can fulfill his role decently and is a veteran presence for us.
I think having at the whelm with Salmons & Jefferson, the team gets better on both offense and defense. They shot the 3 ball @ 44% & 38% respectfully last season. They also have the ability, you know, put the ball on the floor and score. And defend.
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I was making a joke, but agree with you.
Though I am hoping Green steps up this year. He seems to be in good shape (from Good Squad report) and if he’s improved his shot to go with his D, he could be a very useful player.
If he's healthy, Garcia will be just fine at SF
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NO, NO, NO, NO, NO
NO Richard Jefferson…
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by BaldMatt on Dec 7, 2011 11:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
If he's getting amnestied
then there must be something wrong with him right?
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by Exhibit G on Dec 7, 2011 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Could have been an NBA player
if it weren’t for the fact that we weren’t part of the 0.000000075% of the world population talented enough to play it professionally we would so yeah they DID take our jobs!
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by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2011 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Jeff Foxworthy...lol
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It's ok, we have Hassan Whiteside.
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by DTG13 on Dec 7, 2011 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes he's overpaid
And they traded for Kawhi Leonard during the draft
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 7, 2011 11:45 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Okay so the Spurs were active in the draft and moved Hill for Leonard and now dumped Jefferson
Sure seems like they had to be big time movers looking at a lot of options during draft day. In retrospect, that Parker trade rumor sure seems to have had a little fire in it.
by wallywagon11 on Dec 7, 2011 11:48 AM PST up reply actions
I'm ok with Kings bidding $5-7mil
$5-7mil for Thornton, $3-5mil for Hayes. These three signings should get us over the minimum required.
And I like the thought of Reke, Salmons, Jefferson starting together. Though I don’t know about the ball movement.
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by HeuristicLineup on Dec 7, 2011 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
Jefferson's offense was entirely off the ball last season.
Look at his percentages on his offensive game:
47.9% spot up
9.6% off screen
2.7% hand off
7% cut
2.8% offensive rebounding
14.9% transition
_____________
= 84.9% of his TOTAL offense
If you look at it more, 48.8% of his TOTAL shot attempts are from 3PA! And out of those 3PA, 86.8% are from spot ups!!
Basically, Jefferson does NOT need the ball in his hands to be effective! Jefferson would be automatically our best 3P shooter if we can utilize him correctly (let him sit outside the 3P line). He is a far better spot up 3P shooter than anyone we have right now.
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by KF10 on Dec 7, 2011 12:26 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
*cringe
except Jimmer man…come on.
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 7, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well there's this guy on the team..
- named JIMMER!!
by rekehavoc13jimmer7 on Dec 7, 2011 12:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I honestly forgot about Jimmer haha
I wait and see if Jimmer can produce those numbers from 3P land. If he can produce 40%+ behind the line, I give him the nod.
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No thanks on R-Jeff.
I’d prefer to spend the money differently.
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Jefferson would be a great addition
I don’t think his signing would have a huge bearing anyways on the King’s cap space and he adds shooting and defense at a needed position.
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