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Small Markets vs. Large Markets: Parity in the NBA

With the recent veto of superduperstar Chris Paul from the New Orleans Hornets to the Los Angeles team That Wears Yellow (with a little help from the Houston Rockets) there's been a lot of huffing and puffing about parity and whether large market teams should be able to poach talent from small market teams that have no choice because they're being held hostage by their own players. This concerns us as Kings fans because unfortunately we are a small market team whose talent generally gets poached. Nothing we can do is going to change our location to be more desirable than New York, Boston, Miami or L.A. Therefore, we need to follow a Oklahoma City/San Antonio model of getting star players in the draft and surrounding them with talent that supports them.

Star-divide

Sadly, very few teams get Duncan and Robinson or Durant and Westbrook. (I didn't even think Westbrook would turn into what he's turned into and I'm the biggest UCLA homer you could meet.) Most teams get Williamson and Stojakovic, not that that's bad, but Williamson and Stojakovic don't get you much unless you have Webber and Vlade to go with them, and as I was reminded earlier today you can't even get Webber unless he's accused of a heinous crime and you give up the one legitimate All-Star that's ever played for your team.

That's what it takes if you're a small market team, you have to throw a ton of money at a thirty year old center with a three pack a day habit, hope you can trade your aging all-star for an accused rapist who carries marijuana into airports and luck into one of the greatest outside shooters the NBA has ever known, seriously. Alternately, you have to have one of the greatest big men in college history have him get injured then draft someone even better, and surround them with pieces like Avery Johnson and Sean Elliott, then when that big man gets old hit the lottery jackpot in a super fast guard from France and an Argentinian who turns into the second coming of George Gervin. Or you can be in LA or Boston.

Luckily we do have what seems like it should be two very viable young players in Tyreke and DeMarcus, can Geoff Petrie surround those guys with players like Sean Elliott, Steve Kerr, Bruce Bowen, Avery Johnson and Steve Smith? Not a single one of those guys is going to make the Hall like Robinson, Duncan, Parker and Ginobili will.

Or, you can be LA and Boston and Miami, use your giant local TV contracts to be able to pay way above the luxury tax, lure people to your team because it's history and/or location and the fact that you can pay them more money than anyone else.

Since the merger, LA has 10 championships, Chicago 6, Boston has 4, San Antonio and Detroit 3, Houston 2, Dallas, Portland, Seattle, Washington, Miami, and Philly have 1 each. 12 teams have won a championship in 34 years since the merger. Parity in the NBA is a myth. 20 of 34 championships have been won by LA, Chicago, or Boston, seems pretty fair. Large market teams have always been more desirable. Nobody wants to go to Milwaukee when they can go to LA or Miami, especially when you play your sport in the winter. Teams like Milwaukee or Cleveland can't get marquee free agents due to location and they can't get them due to the income disparity in local TV deals. This is nothing new, and it's doubtful if the new CBA changes it in the slightest.

So what's a team like our beloved Kings to do? Well, with the re-signing of Marcus Thornton, the signing of Chuck Hayes, the drafting of Jimmer Fredette, with the continued hopeful maturation of Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins, it seems like we're on the same track as the early Spurs teams: get two players surround them with a bunch of roleplayers and try to get lucky. Admittedly neither DMC or Tyreke is as can't miss as David Robinson and Tim Duncan, but them's the breaks.

As always looking forward to your comments below.

(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)

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Well written.

At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.

by TrojanCBB on Dec 9, 2011 2:17 PM PST reply actions  

With the recent veto of superduperstar Chris Paul from the New Orleans Hornets to the Los Angeles team That Wears Yellow (with a little help from the Houston Rockets)

Don’t all three teams wear yellow now?

by wallywagon11 on Dec 9, 2011 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

haha nice

At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.

by TrojanCBB on Dec 9, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally

I love how over the last 10+ years rookies are restricted free agents. I don’t think anything short of a franchise tag can stop it. I do not have a problem with the league shoring up alleged losses (obviously as far as they can be proven) but I sure as hell do not get how raising the spending minimum, taxing the heck out of teams, or getting rid of the sign and trade do a whole heck of a lot of good.

I understand what the league was trying to do and what their concerns were but that doesn’t mean I agree.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 9, 2011 2:35 PM PST reply actions  

nice read

you were using the small market as an example, but saying the Kings have their talent poached in not correct. We have had 1 true superstar in Webber in the last 20 years and Peja for maybe 1-2 years, and Mitch Richmond was a premier scorer on bad teams. But none of those players were poached.

The story was well written, but I was just looking for an example relevant to the Kings.

And we have our superstar already, his name is JIMMER! Are Tyreke and DeMarcus and MT23 good enough complimentary pieces?

by OKO on Dec 9, 2011 3:48 PM PST reply actions  

you're right

we haven’t had anyone poached except Billy Owens and he didn’t turn out to be that talented.

by Lotusprime on Dec 9, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Loved the read, although I will amend...

Tony Parker was ours to be had and we traded for Mike Bibby during the draft instead of taking him and then took Gerald Wallace at like 29 or 30.

Parker wasn’t a lottery pick.

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by Nutterball on Dec 9, 2011 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

You're right Parker was a late first rounder

Last pick in the first round if i recall correctly.

The wording is clunky but I meant lottery jackpot as in how do they manage to luck into great players all the time rather than the literal top 14 picks lottery. Hell, Ginobili wasn’t even a first rounder.

by Lotusprime on Dec 9, 2011 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Ginobili was the 2nd to last pick in the entire 1999 draft.

Yes, I’m not joking.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2011 6:41 PM PST up reply actions  

A we took Gerald Wallace at 25 in the 2001 draft.

B) How would have drafting Tony Parker made the Kings better in the long term?

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Instead of trading for Bibby?

In retrospect…. probably a lot better.

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by Nutterball on Dec 9, 2011 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

How?

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice points Lotus.

Rec’d.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 9, 2011 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

While this post focuses on championships

I did my own analysis a ways back of the final four teams in each NBA season back to 1998 (the start of the most recent CBA). Turns out that smaller markets were represented in higher numbers than larger markets among that group.

I think the problem for smaller markets lies in maintaining a high performance level over time. Utah and San Antonio are two of the only small market teams that have been able to pull that off.

And that requires making less mistakes than their larger market counterparts IMO.

"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)

by otis29 on Dec 10, 2011 7:52 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd love to see that research if it's available somewhere online.

The Spurs and the Jazz yes.. Is it luck to draft a player like Duncan right after Robinson’s sunset and have a duet like Deron/Boozer 3 years after Stockton/Malone? Or is it a very high scouting level? Maybe a little bit of both.

Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.

by ZenBaller on Dec 10, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Robinson was hurt when the Spurs drafted Duncan.

Williams was traded for on Draft Day and the Jazz gave up a bunch of picks to take him 3rd in the draft in 2005. Boozer was signed in FA using a lot of $$$.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 10, 2011 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

actually the Boozer deal is interesting

because it’s possible that if Cleveland retains Boozer then they have one or two championships now. In that case the small market was poached by the mid market team.

by Lotusprime on Dec 10, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think the Boozer fiasco was a market situation.

Boozer just lacked integrity and didn’t keep his word.

" 1 + 1 = 3 " - David Kahn

by Shizzo on Dec 10, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

This is pretty much it.

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

by pookeyguru on Dec 10, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I think Cleveland probably would have won a championship

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 12, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

As an Arsenal supporter

I have a vague understanding of the European system as it relates to basketball and a pretty firm understanding as it relates to football. I agree that the NBA is more equal than any of Euro Leagues that doesn’t mean that it’s by any stretch equal. As Otis points out there is slightly more parity the more you open up the analysis by going to final four teams rather than championships. but even then you still see the same names predominately.

by Lotusprime on Dec 10, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

small market teams have to scout harder

It also helps that the players everywhere around the world are getting better. I think theres two all star caliber players in each draft — u just gotta find em.

by jadams12 on Dec 10, 2011 1:29 PM PST reply actions  

While big markets have a lot of power

A small market team can make itself much more desirable with a great coach and a winning tradition. If the Jazz and Spurs had not been winning, Malone would have left much sooner. Maybe Duncan would have stayed loyal to SA, but my guess is he would have left too if he wasn’t winning rings. When the Kings were at there best, lots of players were willing to come. If LeBron had won a ring or two with Cleveland, I don’t see him leaving there.

I know it’s kind of a chicken and egg thing—it takes good players to win and winning lets you get more good players. But if we can turn Evans and Cuz into a winning franchise, players will come to sac, small market or not. They want a chance to win and money usually comes a close second. Even Big market teams have to convince players they will put together a winning franchise.

It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide

by SavageBeast on Dec 11, 2011 10:08 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

A small market needs some skill, some luck in the draft - and some salesmanship

That’s what happened here in 89.
“There’s something special going on it Sac” was the word in the league even before we were all that good. In a less exciting example San Antonio got great vet after great vet for fewer $$.

I’m actually surprised that OKL hasn’t attracted a great older vet or two yet. I think that’s an ominous sign for them unless the trend starts soon.

"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower

by lietothegirls on Dec 12, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

They only traded for Perkins because they agreed to long contract terms

Thabo resigned with them after they traded for him a few years back, was considered a vital piece. Collison resigned with them with a frontloaded deal to help them with salary issues down the road. Other than that, they really don’t need many vets, they had a ton of prospects they have given playing time. They might need more down the road when they lose a piece or two but they should be pretty darn good for the next 5 to 6 years and doubt they would have a problem with that if they feel they need to mvoe some of their youth for money reasons.

by wallywagon11 on Dec 12, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

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