Why Did Kings Renounce Rights To Samuel Dalembert?
by Tom Ziller on Dec 9, 2011 3:35 PM PST
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PrintThe Sacramento Kings have announced that the team has renounced its rights to Samuel Dalembert and the team's other, non-Marcus Thornton free agents. Renouncing Pooh Jeter, Marquis Daniels and Darnell Jackson is not a big deal at all. But Dalembert was recently considered a candidate to re-sign with the club. The Chuck Hayes deal would seem to eliminate that possibility. But then there's a sign-and-trade.
By renouncing Dalembert, the Kings essentially tear up his Bird rights, which means under no circumstance will he get a five-year deal this offseason. That's got to tweak Sam and his agent just a little, though quotes floating around have indicated Dalembert isn't too broken up. But what's the purpose of renouncing Dalembert for the Kings? Why bother make that move right now, right at the start of free agency?
Dalembert had a massive salary cap hold of $19 million. The Kings had a salary figure (including Jimmer Fredette) of $31 million. Add those up and you have $50 million. The salary cap is at $58 million. To sign Marcus Thornton ($7 million or so) and Chuck Hayes ($5 million) under the cap, the team needed to clear $3 million in salary or cap holds. Renouncing Dalembert's rights gets rid of that problem.
While there's nothing to preclude the Kings from making a big move, renouncing Dalembert should not be read into on that tip. The Kings need to do it to sign Thornton and Hayes before the team's first practice on Saturday.
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Why did they need cap space to sign Thornton, a free agent with Bird rights?
by M_Shady on Dec 9, 2011 3:38 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
They didn't
need cap space to make the two deals, but they needed cap space to make the two deals and stay under the cap for amnesty purposes.
OK makes sense now
No Billups if you keep Sammy’s cap hold
by M_Shady on Dec 9, 2011 3:44 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
So wait
you’re saying we aren’t going to get Dwight Howard in a sign and trade involving Dalembert? Whaaaaaaa?
Fro long, Sammy!
Sound the trumpets, Raise the drawbridge, and drop the Oldsmobile
by Balky Needs on Dec 9, 2011 3:45 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Shaq is coming out of retirement for one more year of max money.
"If you don't have anything good to say, LIE" - Mom
The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Please just retire.
"We're like Tim Duncan and David Robinson. But a younger version. I really feel that." - Charlie Villanueva about himself and Chris Bosh.
He just said it's not an all star but it's a good player..
Nene? That would be pretty awesome.
by UCIrvine kings fan on Dec 9, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
Billups will retire if its Sac
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Highly unlikely
You know we’re talking about $14,200,000 he’d be giving up right?
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
I doubt it's a released player
but if it is I’d guess Jefferson
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Doesn't meet the criteria in UCIrvine's post.
Billups is an All-Star.
by unfair weather on Dec 9, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
His exact words were ' I think so'
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
AK47
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
Does he know who it is and isn't telling?
If so, what kind of hints is he dropping? Man, he’s probably building us up for no reason.
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 9, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
he knows who it is
all that he dropped was that he’s not an all-star, but is a big name.. and that name would make us kings fans happy
I expect it to be a hideous, redundant veteran that was at one point a good player
You?
by lead_pipe on Dec 9, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm guessing
The Kings are a third party to a trade involving Chris Paul or Dwight Howard. The Lakers have been trying to trade Odom, so he’s my guess.
I'm ok with that if we can unload Salmons to somebody
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
None of the K's are allowed to come with him
I guess if they are only allowed on K street it would be oK.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Meticulous!
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
how supportive would we have been in the NBA killing that trade if we were team 3?
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Salmons for Landry?
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
I've missed his show too
has he hinted position? Age?
God I hope its not Peja coming back in an effort to help the NO deal.
Although, suddenly, I remember, he really really likes Barea
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
Ok....1 down
Somebody call and ask if it’s Nene.
I’ll call about Barea.
35 and 31. I'm calling it now. Reke and Cousins 1-2 in most improved award both All-stars. Jimmer leads rookies in scoring, passing and Ole's. Make 2nd round of playoffs and Salmons is not here by seasons end.
The caller asked him if the fact that we just signed Chuck and Marcus would restrict us from paying money to other longer centers.
Then Grant said that no and that he knew for a fact that the Front Office were talking to a player that they were interested in and willing to pay money to.
by UCIrvine kings fan on Dec 9, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
The more he talks about it the more it sounds like Gasol or Nene
by UCIrvine kings fan on Dec 9, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
No
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions
Yogi Bear!
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
I bet we can sign him for the max 20 Pic-a-nic baskets!
Founder of team Omté Caspeen
by Widowwolf on Dec 9, 2011 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Ah hey Boo-Boo!
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
All joking aside, I really can't believe he means Barea
Barea is a recognizable name. But if you excitedly throw out BIG NAME, just not quite an all star, it better be someone with some additional juice.
My worst case scenario here would be he means Arenas in an Amnesty bid.
More likely this is Jefferson, Billups type signing
Dark Horse OMG is signing we’re throwing a max deal at Gasol and hoping Memphis doesn’t match.
not sure about billups considering we took jimmer so high up
and that we have tyreke, marcus & salmons. jefferson sounds like someone i would consider
As a mentor makes sense. Can also swap him for assets at deadline.
He is in the final year of his deal.
How does the salary break down? I thought we had a ton of room to spend but all of a sudden, MT23 and Chuckwagon take all of it up?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 9, 2011 4:04 PM PST reply actions
MT23 + Chuckwagon = $11-12 million added to payroll. I thought we had to spend $18 million just to reach the floor?
by Sactown_Loyalty19 on Dec 9, 2011 4:05 PM PST up reply actions
No, now the floor is only 80%
not 85% until next year. So really only about $3 mil they’re required to spend.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
Dalembert had a cap hold of 19 - 20 million..
So if you add that to the 11 – 12 million for MT23 and Hayes and the 31 million we already had, that is 60 million (over the cap).
by UCIrvine kings fan on Dec 9, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
How long until New Orleans owner Dan Gilbert announces that they will renounce Chris Paul's rights?
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Hi Kings fans, taking a moment away from my seething rage to congratulate you on the Chuck Hayes signing.
When not asked to play center he’s arguably the best defensive player in the league. Seriously.
Also, you will enjoy watching him shoot FTs.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
Thank you. Was a little shaken at length of contract given size and age, but looking forward to seeing him play.
We’ve needed a big who can play man D and defend pick and roll like Hayes for awhile.
Great to see you here..
I’ve been wondering.. How did Rocket fan base feel about the Gasol trade? In my opinion Rockets were giving up waaaaaaaaaay too much and it was a poor trade for them. You talking about seething rage makes me think otherwise.. Care to elaborate?
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Not Rockets fan but Lakers fan
I know you didn’t ask me, but I think Lakers gave up to much for Paul, and that it made the team worse.
The nicest Lakers fan ever, Here we Stay!
I agree as well
Although I would say the team stayed the same, not necessarily got worse. And it depends if this trade is a pre-cursor to Howard or not.
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Rockets were getting screwed - so don't be sad
Way too much to give up for an older, expensive, nonfranchise player to anchor a barren roster.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Well, the thing is
Gasol has been the best Laker since 09 at least. While his scoring and Scola’s were close, Gasol’s D is much better, and his offensive rebounding (they’re a wash on the defensive glass) is better.
We love Martin, but I’ve come to believe the bad things I’d read about his D.
The Rockets had two players in the wings who could take over for Scola and Martin in Patterson and Lee, respectively. The trade would have cleared room to sign one of Nene, Jordan or Dalembert. Fielding a lineup of Lowry, Lee, Budinger/Morris, Gasol and say, Nene, would have been pretty fearsome, and there would still be depth on the bench.
Right now the Rockets have too may worthy players and not enough minutes. This deal, while expensive, cleared that jam and could have vaulted the Rockets into contention.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
To me,
your conclusions are overly optimistic. So you’re normal.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Dec 9, 2011 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
67% last year, career 60%
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
Yes, it's better, but not gone. Sadly.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
Hi, Xiane!
Always nice to see you posting! And thank you!
Thanks, I'll hang around from time to time to watch the Chuckwagon.
Always seem to be Kings and Rockets going back and forth these days. Now send us Cousins…
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
Twitter - xiane1
The Dreamshake
LOL
Now send us Cousins…
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
We'll send you a clock radio AND a Zune!
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I wonder if the Kings are going to be making trades with the TWolves now that Coach Rick has gone North.
I always thought that helped explain the Houston connection (which didn’t seem to be in place until Adelman arrived in TX)
by betweentheeyes on Dec 10, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
Remember when someone floated rumors you guys were trying to send us
Yao’s expiring deal for him? I now can only believe it was axed by Stern.
My contempt for the NBA head office is at an all time high.
Which is saying something.
"Each in turn... volunteered his suggestions, his invaluable suggestions."
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The Dreamshake
Grant said it again
and he did talk like they were talking to a player, not a team. Yeah, I’m now betting on AK47.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
He or Richard Jefferson
though no, I don’t think they’d be ‘talking’ to one of the amnesty guys, it’s a bid process.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
That'd be the perfect signing
I mean, the level of player he is talking about, I can only think of AK47, Gasol, or Nene. “Kings aren’t afraid to spend the money required”
I always thought AK47 would have been the perfect guy to play with Yao.
He could cover all the stuff Yao couldn’t, and would never have to worry about someone shoving past him in the paint to score. Alas that dream is dead.
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The Dreamshake
Watch it? It would be bad enough listening to it
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/category/sports/#listen-live
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
by otis29 on Dec 9, 2011 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, you can't really watch it,
but you’re welcome to stare at this intently while you listen:
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
Flagged!
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
Red* flagged!
If you know what i mean.
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Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
by DTG13 on Dec 9, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sounds like all our rookies are signed
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
My guess is Grant Hill
A name player and fills the vetern search they claimed they were making. Not sure the fan base would be super happy about it, but I think he’d be a good fit with this team.
yep
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
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by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
He explicitly said that it isn't a guard
And that they would most likely be a starter if we get them. Who does that narrow it down to? AK47? Richard Jefferson?
I'm guessing AK
As I don’t know what the use in ‘talking’ to one of the Amnesty guys is since it’s a bidding process
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
Carter's played a lot of SF.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
But he's listed as a guard.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
Inasmuch as he shoots frome everywhere and covers no one,
how do really define his position?
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WHAT POSITION IS JAMAL CRAWFORD? I LIKE HIM
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 9, 2011 5:12 PM PST reply actions
You like him
but don’t know he’s a guard?
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by caseycheesecake on Dec 9, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions
quick semi-random question
Whats going on with Marc Gasol? I haven’t heard the Grizzles or another team make an attempt to sign him.
"For five decades (and counting), these fans have been blessed with West, Baylor, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq and Kobe. Seven of the 15 best players ever. At some point, the gravy train will end. The Lakers will bottom out like the Knicks did last decade, submarined by bad moves, poor signings and unlucky drafts. Their fans will flee in droves. Jack will pass away. The buzz will be gone. That's how the NBA works -- in a 30-team league, you can't always get lucky, not even if you're a big-market team with deep pockets. I don't know if that day is three years off or 30, but it's coming." Bill Simmons
Maybe S&T Dally and JJ for Marc?
IDK just throwing options around..
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
Can't. Renounced Dally.
I think we might throw a max deal at Gasol and see what happens. If it doesn’t work. Get an amnestied player and try again in 2012.
Oh that's right.
#Facepalm. I’m being optimistic today.
JT and Salmons for Gay? haha
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
BTW,
Do you know if Grizzlies still have cap space to re-sign Marc and afford to keep Gay?
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
Thanks Lebron, for reminding me how miserable my life is.
haha gay is an allstar though
i can see marc bein the target. marc and demarcus in the front is huge
As long as they would at least make an attempt at him
whats the worse that could happen? He signs with the Grizzles.
"For five decades (and counting), these fans have been blessed with West, Baylor, Wilt, Kareem, Magic, Shaq and Kobe. Seven of the 15 best players ever. At some point, the gravy train will end. The Lakers will bottom out like the Knicks did last decade, submarined by bad moves, poor signings and unlucky drafts. Their fans will flee in droves. Jack will pass away. The buzz will be gone. That's how the NBA works -- in a 30-team league, you can't always get lucky, not even if you're a big-market team with deep pockets. I don't know if that day is three years off or 30, but it's coming." Bill Simmons
Uhhh Ohhhh
Jason Jones just tweeted what if its Peja? he doesnt know either but his guess is better than mine.. hopefully not
I think that's 17 letters if you call him Predrag
I guess that’s a pretty big name.
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by section214 on Dec 9, 2011 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
With Westphal,
that does not necessarily eliminate Peja.
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by section214 on Dec 9, 2011 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
My guess it is someone we will like, but it's not a huge splash.
Someone like AK47/RJ.
I kinda feel
Like I may have started this somehow.
And this explanation still doesn’t work. Daniels, Jackson and Jeter accounted for $4 million in cap holds. If all that was needed was clearing $3 million waiving them would have sufficed. No reason to renounce the Dalembert rights…
My guess is Petrie is finally going to give Kings fans what they always wanted...
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by TrojanCBB on Dec 9, 2011 5:20 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Hate to admit but I was a know-it-all teenager in the arena booing that pick...
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
Ha. I was there too. I had unwavering faith in Petrie, but I remember flipping through
the draft guide they handed out at record speed.
I remember the sight of seeing Peja goofily standing on stage with the flat brim on his hat and the grainy footage with people swearing around me.
Went with my Mom as a teen when 2 cans of food for charity was the donation for coming.
Hasn't actually been amnestied yet right?
If Grant is saying sign as early as tomorrow, would have to be a non-amnesty player.
Marc Stein
Is reporting that Vince Carter is close to signing with the Mavs. So scratch him off the list.
Gladly!
"If you can’t make a profit, you should sell your team." - Michael Jordan (Owner, Charlotte Bobcats)
by otis29 on Dec 9, 2011 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not only will I scratch VC off the list, I'll take a flame thrower to the it.
MexicAN AmericAN VegAN
by Mike Garza on Dec 9, 2011 6:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lulz.
What a terrible signing.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
Read the first half of your sentence and started freaking out.
Next time lead with other team for my heart pressure :)
H'ES JACKING UP HIS RATING WITH THIS STUNT.
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Dec 9, 2011 5:27 PM PST reply actions
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR SHOUTING, IT'S TOTALLY EXCITING TO ME
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assuming its ak47
Do we have enough outside shooting if the starting lineup is
Evans
Thornton
Cousins
Hayes
AK47
Cousins is arguably the second-best outside shooter with that lineup.
"Where hope goes to die"
Well, if we could graft Jimmer to his back, he would be.
(grab defensive board, no look over the shoulder pass to Jimmer on his back, fire from 50 feet.)
This.
by elfboy_ on Dec 9, 2011 7:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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