"The Kings organization spoke with David Taylor and will provide him with the studies, research and documents done during the course of the last 11 years on the feasibility of a new sports and entertainment facility. During that time, the organization has contributed several million dollars to pay for and support traffic and engineering studies, architectural plans and other studies as well as consultants, lawyers and architects. The organization will have no further public comment on the process at this time, and will continue to focus each day on improving the basketball team."
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Yeesh
Is it just me, or does this statement come across a bit snippy and defensive? I get that the team is weary from all of the politics and failed attempts, but is it really necessary to put a bit of a negative vibe out there at this stage? Why is the team putting out an official statement at all, or at least anything beyond “We’re happy to cooperate with Taylor’s group and look forward to seeing what they can come up with”?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 10, 2011 6:56 PM PST reply actions
I comes across to me that-
They are going to file for relocation
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
That's exactly the same vibe I get too
It’s almost like, yeah here’s the stuff, and as Chris Webber would say, “Good Luck”.
I think you're spot-on
It is like they’re saying “good luck”
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
What the hell?
I don’t get that impression at all.
I see this as a curt tone, but in no way did this scream “relocation” to me.
I read it as a weary response. They’re tired of being asked the same questions over and over. They’re tired of people reading into everything they say and do as “they’re going to relocate”.
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by Exhibit G on Feb 11, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This is how I read it.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
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During that time, the organization has contributed several million dollars to pay for and support traffic and engineering studies, architectural plans and other studies as well as consultants, lawyers and architects.
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For what it's worth, and to be honest I don't have much of a clue whether it's worth much or not, but the second paragraph is all kinds of defensive too
Maloof Sports & Entertainment includes the Sacramento Kings and ARCO Arena. Owned by the Maloof family with long-term, local partners, the organization is committed to being a contributing member of the Sacramento community. Teaming up with local leaders and non-profit organizations to give back to those in need throughout the region, MS&E has donated millions of dollars to charity in 11 years of Maloof family ownership. For more information about Maloof Sports & Entertainment, please visit kings.com, arcoarena.com or call 916-928-0000.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 10, 2011 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks for sharing that
I didn’t realize there was more to the quote.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
They've had that for a long time Wally.
It’s not like that’s a new “thing” they’ve put there.
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thanks
it reeked of boilerplate so not terribly surprised to hear that
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions
They've also been saying almost word for word what's in the original paragraph
They’ve been saying for months that they were done talking about the Arena situation and want to focus on improving the basketball team. The only thing new in that original paragraph is the Taylor group
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 8:13 AM PST up reply actions
Yep.
While it doesn’t surprise me that people see this as a “we’re going to relocate” response, I see as you pointed out: A stock response from the past with the Taylor part added in.
If they didn’t say something, wouldn’t that mean something truly awful? That’s the way I look at it.
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One other point to chew on.
When Clay Bennett was taking the Sonics out of Seattle, he did nothing in the way of asking season ticket holders to come, he did nothing to promote the team around Seattle except token gestures. The Maloof’s have not done that. Maybe that’s because they are trying to avoid that disconnect Bennett had, but I also think the reality is that the Maloof’s have a built in product here that works. They know it, but the reality is that life is never 100% the way it’s supposed to go. They’ve had issue’s in their life, and why should the Kings be any different.
Again, you can look at this glass as half full or empty I’m not pessimistic about the Maloof’s response here. (If anything, I’m glad they’re not saying much. When they have, all it’s done is gotten them in trouble.) I’m pessimistic about a big country town with a small town attitude getting something that takes major vision that Sacramento has never shown one ounce of inclination in having in the past. Things can change, but until they do, I’m not optimistic.
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Agreed
I think people are reading into this too much. To me this statement has absolutely nothing to do with them playing defense or them having one foot out the door and everything to do with them saying they are giving the Taylor group their full support to find a solution and it is now up to the Taylor group to come up with an idea, meanwhile we are going to work on improving our basketball team.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
How is it not reading defensive to you?
You don’t think it reeks of them defending themselves publicly when they mention how much money they put into the process? Saying it’s defensive isn’t saying it shows they are going to leave. In fact, doesn’t really say a hell of a lot … other than them being defensive.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 8:57 AM PST up reply actions
I guess it's defensive
However, my main point was this is nothing new coming from them. They’ve been saying that same thing verbatim for awhile now though.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 9:00 AM PST up reply actions
Again.....I don't think it's defensive.
I think it’s more of something pointing out that they’ve felt like they’ve done their share to get this process done, and they will do what they can to work with Taylor…which isn’t much.
So I suppose I guess I see how that seems defensive. I just think they’re in a no-win position here no matter what they do.
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Exactly
Plus, I think their image took a bit of a hit after the last arena deal fell through. Rightfully so given a lot of poor communication around that proposal…not enterily on the Maloof’s end either.
This time around, they seem to be trying to remove the organization from the arena discussions as much as possible.
Let's assume you take this from a PR perspective.
If you’re trying to make this new arena about the community, shouldn’t most of the news and hype come from those in the community and not just the NBA tenant?
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Absolutely
I would mention every single bit of community donations in Sacramento and I would also in fact want to stress how we have spent a shit ton of the money for all this arena talk so please stop bitching at us about it.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
don't recall the land swap having much to do with anything the Maloofs did
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I forgot about the land swap already
I meant when there was a vote for the funds to buildthe arena.
ah, yeah that's a different story
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah I don't think I articulated all that great but when I said "I don't have much of a clue" I really meant I didn't know if this really said anything new at all
Just noticing that they are publicly just being very defensive about how they have done their due diligence. None of this stuff can tell anyone much other than, well they’ve tried and put up a lot of money over the last 11 years and in which can naturally assume there is some frustration there but that’s about it.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
This reeks of hand washing to me
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And I can't blame them for it, honestly
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by tomroadrunner on Feb 10, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
That's what I'm thinking
They have to run a business. They have tried to get a deal done. They have laid out their terms. If they don’t get what they want they will leave. Any prudent business owner would do the same.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
The conclusion of the statement is key to me.
Instead of saying they will “continue to help with getting an arena in Sacramento”, they said, “The organization will have no further public comment on the process at this time, and will continue to focus each day on improving the basketball team.”
I think that is a big problem. YUCK.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
The only positive thing I have
is that I have been asked if I am renewing season tickets….I figure why bother if the decision has been made to leave.
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I think any business would do that anyways, until an announcement of relocation was enachted.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
Whoa, kwill.
Way to stick a porcupine quill through his bubble of positivity.
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I don't mean to be a douche bag
I hope he’s right. I just don’t see it as anything but business.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
Also
I’m not saying they WILL petition for relocation, just that I don’t see the offer of season tickets as important.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup
Not to pile it on,
But I remember some article about Seattle fans having bought season tickets before their announcement to move also. Could be comparing apples to oranges though, and I certainly hope so…
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I agree
but why boother asking me less than 4 weeks before you file…they don’t get my money until may.
There are some guys dumber than me, some guys worse looking, I take umbrage at the fact that there is no guy that is both.
The reason is they may not even file.
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I have absolutely no reason to believe this, but I feel they don't file this year
and if there is no progress come this time next year, they file. I could be completely wrong, but just a gut feeling.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 8:14 AM PST up reply actions
I've thought for awhile they'll file in 2012 if there is no arena in place and something like this is happening again next year.
This is really the last shot. If it doesn’t work, prepare to hear about where the Kings will move to. The opponents will have gotten their wish, and a worse Sacramento. If the Kings leave, I hope they enjoy it. I sure won’t be one of them.
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Yup.
I just figure if they were planning to sign for relocation you’d hear more feathers being ruffled. So far all you’ve heard is speculation about them moving and other places wanting the Kings to come there. As far as I’ve heard it hasn’t been the Maloofs out there talking with arena owners and getting inquiries about moving there. I figure even if the Maloofs aren’t going to say it out loud, one of the places they inquire over would ahve.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah right now they are "listening". It doesn't mean they are open to moving.
They want to give KJ every chance he has to get something done here before they move. I can’t blame them.
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It would also be a huge sign of lack in faith with the Taylor group...
“ya go ahead and spend YOUR money to research building/planning an arena for our team, but ya… we’re going to go ahead and start looking for another place to go”. Just doesn’t seem like something the maloofs would do
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
Yep.
One more shot and then we are out the door for good. We aren’t even going to think about coming back now. You can build an arena, but it won’t be for us.
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Ya it would just seem odd for them to file for relocation when there would still be 69 days for the Taylor group to come up with a plan
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
yeah the only way they would do it honestly would be if they already have a deal they want to take elsewhere
and I kind of doubt it.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Same here, I figure if they had a deal already you'd have heard about it in some way shape or form with how the media works
I just don’t see how you wouldn’t have seen ’the maloofs are in talk with blah blah blah about relocation" by now.
Sidenote. It would be nice of the Maloofs to come out and say they don’t plan on filing for relocation before the March first deadline instead of us sitting here biting our nails and staring at the clock waiting for it to strike midnight
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
well this is just speculation based on nothing really so apologize in advance if this is completely not what is going on in reality
but it could also perhaps be a good strategy to force everyone else to get the ball moving and start acting like it’s their last chance. It could be the Maloof’s only way to help move things quickly along without looking like they are taking the city hostage making threats but at the same time not saying the status quo of right now is not okay.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions
If your speculation has any truth behind it, I support the Maloofs 100%
The Maloofs have been here and tried long enough and all the city has done is sat on their asses. If it takes a legitment threat of them leaving to finally get this shit done(even if at the end of the day the maloofs have zero intentions of relocating the team) then go for the gold. I’ll deal with the remainder of the season(and even into the next season) being a stress case if it finally means our team remains in Sacramento for another 30 years
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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See no evil, hear no evil.
I’ve decided I’m just going to ignore all further talk of relocating.
…right after I bombard the Maloofs with guilt trips on Twitter.
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Odd....According to Joe's twitter they are going to pick 36 renewing season ticket holders at random to give the Arco Arena letters too....
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OK, it looks like the ARCO letters will be used for several purposes including rewards for a few lucky renewing Season Ticket Holders
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We’ve had a huge amount of requests for the ARCO ARENA letters that are coming down…
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We’re going to put all our lucky season ticket holders in a pool & have a drawing to see which 36 will get the letters. #KINGSFANS
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by HeuristicLineup on Feb 10, 2011 9:19 PM PST reply actions
FYI
In regards to arena developments I’ve been having a hell of a time researching old articles I remembered reading in the Bee along time ago. One source that has been somewhat helpful with all things arena related is fieldofschemes.com. The only think that kind of sucks is old stuff there isn’t arcived under topics so you literally have to go back month by month for anything that far back instead of just using their search Kings section. That being said, it’s not a bad place to catch up a little bit.
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The Rise guys mentioned some website that's sole purpose is to track Arena projects.
Don’t remember what it’s called or if it’s any good… You check that site out? lol
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 10, 2011 11:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think that in the 11th hour
a lot of times things finally gets accomplished.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
Aren't the ARCO ARENA letters like 10 feet tall?
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 11, 2011 6:56 AM PST reply actions
Not really sure if this warrants the pessimism that is currently being tossed around (although it's hardly difficult to quarrel with such a viewpoint)....
…but the reality here is that’s a pretty stock statement by the Maloof’s inasmuch of anything. That’s pretty much how they’ve stated stuff over the years.
I doubt this statement is indicating they want to move. If and when they file for relocation, that will be the real tell-tale sign. Who guesses first won’t be a real fortune teller; just a good guesser.
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Yeah I don't think it's indicative of anything other than they are just in general defensive.
I guess it give an idea of the viewpoint they are coming from but doesn’t say a thing about decisions made at all.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 8:10 AM PST up reply actions
Quick question for those who know
IF they do end up filing for relocation before the March deadline does that mean they absolutely have to move or could they just be keeping the option open?
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I think if they were filing for relocation....
…..they would have to have a place open to move to. In otherwords, there has to be a place for them to go before they can file for relocation.
My gut tells me that as a business decision, they will want to not just stay in Sacramento to stay, but to also keep the options of which city would be best for them to move the franchise when they have to reach that point.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I honestly don't know whether they have to have a relocation spot by the date they file or not
but regardless of whether you have to or not, holy crap you’d be asking for problems if you were to file without a deal in place.
So actually I think where all the talk about Anaheim a month ago kicks in. If the date for filing gets closer and closer and we here about new meatings with people down there (and not just the same stuff we already know) then that would certaintly make me a bit nervous.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions
*meetings
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
clearly you would need to have a relocation spot planned before the relocattion committee meets or they aren't going to go with it
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 8:54 AM PST up reply actions
Right.
For approval from the committee, they kinda gotta know where.
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I have always been very positive about this issue...
but I will admit to having some doubt as to whether the Kings will stay or go over the last few weeks. When I talked about these doubts and the possibility of maybe the Kings moving to Anaheim with other local media members, they quickly shot down the ideas and here are a few reasons why:
1- The Maloofs have blown up other stadium ideas because of parking cost and who would run the day to day operations of the stadium. Anaheim is someone else’s building who is offering up the money to move in the form of a loan, not handing over their stadium to the Maloofs for 365 days a year.
2- TV/Radio deals. The Kings would be the third NBA team, in a region that already has 2 hockey franchises and 2 baseball franchises. They might be able to draw the fans to fill up the arena but they will fall somewhere between 6-8 for both television and radio as far as the pecking order is concerned. Sure this is a huge media market but most of the teams still play on a CSN platform and there is only so much air time to go around. As far as radio, the Kings have the biggest sweetheart deal ever here in Sacramento- trust me, the facts hiding behind their block of radio time is staggering.
3- The 70 million owed the city plus the 100-200 million in new relocation debt. That is a lot to take on. If the Kings decide to move, they are going to have to have major capital and liquidity. I don’t know their financial situation- none of us really do, but that is a lot of money to float out when you are talking about decades to recover that cash flow even if things go really well in the city.
Right now, I am feeling pretty alright that the Kings won’t be filing papers this season. Not totally positive, but alright. David Stern has told the Maloofs to stay out of this because the discussion always comes back to why would the fine folks of Sacramento, who are so down on their luck, buy the millionaire Maloof family new digs? The plan is to have the Maloofs name withdrawn from the discussion as much as possible because this is about a community project, not a hand out for the Maloofs.
Also, these deals do get done at the last minute and I’m not sure that the City is ready to say this is the last hope. If they can get past the deadline, they still have the Taylor group and hanging out there in the wind the Kamilos group who has always shown a hunger to get things done. Kevin Johnson is working on his legacy and he’s tied himself to a guy who has already built his own legacy in David Taylor. I like our odds.
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by jjham15 on Feb 11, 2011 9:21 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
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Great insight James
Right now, I am feeling pretty alright that the Kings won’t be filing papers this season. Not totally positive, but alright. David Stern has told the Maloofs to stay out of this because the discussion always comes back to why would the fine folks of Sacramento, who are so down on their luck, buy the millionaire Maloof family new digs? The plan is to have the Maloofs name withdrawn from the discussion as much as possible because this is about a community project, not a hand out for the Maloofs.
I think this is really the key. After the Q & R debacle, and the $6,000 Carls Jr. Combo, it’s clear that this project is on safer ground if the Maloofs take a backseat during the process.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...
I actually forgot about all the battles over parking with Measures Q and R
I think the fact we really don’t know the relocation costs kind of muddles point 3. Doesn’t mean it’s not accurate or even salient but we really don’t have much of an idea of how much it will cost. Either way, it seems like the lack of liquity is a huge problem and they would need someone else to help front that bill
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
and full on agree with the plan pulling the Maloofs out of it
that is absolutely intentionally being done here.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 11, 2011 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
Yup, smartmove as well
If you want the general public support you need this to not be about the Kings
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 11, 2011 9:38 AM PST up reply actions
I think there's little to no chance that the team files for relocation this year.
It just doesn’t seem to make good sense for the short-term or the long-term for them to take that step right now. I also think that Taylor’s efforts aren’t quite the “last hope”. Taylor has made it clear that after the 90 days it won’t be “Yeah we’ll do this” or “Nope, we’re not touching it”, they’ll either have a full proposal of their own or they’ll be able to tell the city exactly why they won’t do it right now and what exactly needs to happen in order to get something done. The things that need to be fixed could be any number of things, large or small. Then, if the circumstances are not completely hopeless, then it will be a race to pull things together before March 1st next year (pending whatever is going on in any potential relocation cities).
I just thought this statement was a little unnecessary and perplexing in it’s tone. I understand that the Maloofs’ reaction to the latest developments was probably along the lines of “Whatever, dude, call us when the shovels start hitting the ground”, but did they really need to put out an official statement that was, to me, clearly a bit negative?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 11, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Not to refute some of my own thoughts from above but...
The reason I could see relocation this season is because there is going to be a lock-out. So if I am an owner, and I have to choose between trying to rebuild a fanbase that has already shrunk or go to a new city where everyone is off their rocker excited to get a new team then I think that answer is easy. Obviously this is about long term success, not short term quick fixes but when your on shaky financial ground, sometimes the band aid solution can heal a wound faster. This is what keeps me up at night as a fan.
People have asked me if I will be bummed out if the Kings leave because I have this cool new job working with the team and I tell them the same thing- jobs come and go, I am a Kings fan first and if my team leaves, I will be crushed- like never wanting to watch the NBA again crushed.
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-Ziller
What happens if the Maloof's are banking on games to make money in a new city and a lockout looms?
Can they afford to take that risk? With Sacramento, they won’t have to pay a lease or anything to do nothing.
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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Hope you right James.
Also to add one point about the TV drawing power down in LA: The Clippers are still a red headed step child in LA in terms of TV ratings down there. I doubt the Kings would do any better than the Kings.
I think a lot of people don’t understand how powerful it is to have a market all to yourself when you are the only thing in it literally. In LA, you have the Dodgers, Lakers, USC & UCLA, Angels, Clippers, Kings & Ducks to all contend with for dollars. There is a breaking point where that doesn’t work. I wouldn’t be shocked to see if that’s the Kings.
I do think the 2012 deadline is where it’s at. They’ll look at another market (Vegas maybe) but Seattle more likely and decide why not? It worked there before and we’re never getting what we need in Sac. We don’t want to leave, but what choice do we have?
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
But what if Seattle can't build a new arena, either?
What if Vegas can’t yet get a team at that point, either due to arena issues or if the league won’t allow it? I understand that there are some newish arenas in some other cities that may work just fine, but all of those scenarios seem to have their own issues as well (smaller markets than Sac, territorial rights, etc.). As of right now, there are no really good alternatives to Sacramento. A year from now, that could be different, but maybe it won’t be. In that case, I wonder if the Maloofs would have no other choice but to sell the team to some extremely wealthy group or individual that wants to build their own arena somewhere.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 11, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
All good questions ASSN.
And I have no clue how to answer them.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
True those...
…but there are pro-tenant-free buildings in KCMO and Louisville that serve quite nicely as counterpoints to what exists here in Sacto. Not saying the Kings would entertain such a thought – especially KCMO – but Louisville may well be a danger to us around here.
And yes, the Kings would be second-fiddle to UofL, much like the Grizz is second-fiddle in Memphis to the UofM, but at this point Joe and Gavin may well be desperate enough to take the shot.
Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.
by SierraSpartan on Feb 12, 2011 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
They'd be second fiddle in a market that's smaller than Sac, and I doubt that it has the growth potential that Sac does.
Doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but it’s not exactly a slam dunk for the Maloofs or for Stern.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 14, 2011 11:14 AM PST up reply actions
Sacramento is lucky there isn't an easy replacement city out there and the cities that could take the slack (like Anaheim San Jose Las Vegas or Seattle) all have their big time issue's.
Very very lucky indeed. Maybe this team a new arena happens.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
Absolutely
The real trouble begins when that situation (no particularly good replacement cities) changes (i.e. a Seattle arena). Remember also, there is the NOH situation. It’s hard to believe that they’re not first in line for relocation if things come to that.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 16, 2011 7:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah also...
…it’s hard to believe that the NBA would, push come to shove, suddenly fold the Hornets franchise than sell it to someone who wants to be the Clay Bennett of their city, or, in the case of a guy like Ballmer, bring the NBA back.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.
I Love You jj
You made me feel so much better reagarding this issue…
The Maloofs will always be some playas, Geoff Petrie can neva be a hata, Chris Webber will always be a playa, Mike Biiby can neva be a hata, Vlade Divac will always be a player, Doug Christe can neva be a hata, Bobby Jackson will always be a playa, Peja Stojakovic can neva be a hata, White Chocalate will always be a playa, Rick Adelman can neva be a hata, Pete Carril you know he's a playa, Kevin Martin can neva be a hata, Omri Casspi will always be a playa, DeMarcus Cousins can neva be a hata, Tyreke Evans now that's a real playa, THE SACRAMENTO KINGS NOW THEM SOME REAL PLAYAS!!!!!
The Arena
I think on this issue there has been a real lack of clarity on this issue, so what has happened to date is each side with an angle in this debate has been able to get there point of view out which pushes their agenda and the core issues of the new arena does not get discussed.
In short what will a new arena bring, financially, culturally etc. Will a new arena bring new events that don’t come to Sacrament currently, could a new arena be linked in with the Convention center for the convention market.
If the Kings leave would a new events center be built
What will it cost, who will pay, will the Maloofs pay anything, they have been some what evasive on that issue. If an arena is built who will pay for what and who will get the money from events?
How have other venues been built, can we get some concrete examples of who they have been funded. Especially in California
I have had enough of those with an agenda piping in with there biased points of view that really don’t add anything to the debate
I think all those questions you posed are supposedly what they Taylor group are going to find out
I don’t know what else needs to be researched, I mean, I could have had my doctorates on the Sacramento Arena issue with all the time they’ve spent on this crap, but I guess they want to waste more time researching. The only tone I got out of their statement, (which is probably just me reflecting my tone on it) was that they are tired of all of this research, planning, etc with nothing ever getting done, and now with a chance to get something going, the city chooses the group who want to….do more research.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Feb 12, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
Of course...
…that’s the Sacramento way. Why make a decision or come to a concrete solution when there’s other avenues to explore?
The ICON Group kicking the can down the road for another three months was an interesting bit of jiu-jitsu against the Maloofs. It basically dares them to either hang around and see what plays out, or they can file for relocation in March with an (allegedly) viable arena replacement plan already in the works, and look like money-grubbing douches to a fan base that has supported for years a really crappy on-court product.
In effect, the City of Sacramento is betting that what happened up in Seattle can’t happen here.
Anyone wanna lay odds on that one?
Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.
by SierraSpartan on Feb 12, 2011 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
not quite sure it's all that simple
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 12, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
In some ways it is though
The city needs to either commit to this or not. This whole “lets keep just researching this until something falls in our laps” is not going to cut it.
Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!
by prowseinthehouse on Feb 12, 2011 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
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