DeMarcus Cousins Suspended After Reported Fisticuffs With Donte Greene
DeMarcus Cousins was pulled off the Kings' team plane to Phoenix and suspended for the team's Sunday game against the Suns, reports FanHouse's Sam Amick, because of an altercation between Cousins and Donte Greene in the locker room following Saturday night's loss to the Oklahoma City Thunder. Cousins was angry Greene inbounded the ball to Tyreke Evans on the Kings' final possession with Sacramento down two. Cousins thought he was open, and Evans missed a three-pointer that would have won the game. Cousins started chirping at Evans and Greene as they all left the floor; in the locker room, words allegedly turned into fists.
Cousins and Greene were separated, reports Amick, but once the team made its way to Sacramento International Airport and loaded up on the team charter, an absent Geoff Petrie made the call to pull Cousins off the plane. (Petrie is off scouting.) Amick reports that Cousins could either be shipped to Phoenix before Sunday's 5 PM Pacific start, or that he could miss the entire three-game road trip heading into All-Star Weekend. The Kings play at Oklahoma City on Tuesday and at Dallas on Wednesday.
Cousins was also upset about a non-call on Nick Collison on the rebound opportunity on Evans' miss. Cousins, in his post-game comments, said he was "clearly fouled" about 14 times, which means his agent will be hearing from Stu Jackson in short order.
Was Cousins open on the final inbounds play? A few looks after the jump.
This is what Donte Greene is looking at.Cousins basically has his right arm free and plenty of space to get a post move on the left baseline. But Collison is all over Cousins' left arm, and Kevin Durant is positioned specifically to take away the post entry. In getting the ball to Cousins, Greene would be flirting with a Durant deflection and a Collison deflection. Instead ...

... Donte goes to a wide open, no-risk Tyreke Evans. Oklahoma City obviously wanted to prevent the easy two, instead taking its chance with an Evans or Beno Udrih three-pointer. James Harden is covering Evans, sure. But he's definitely not denying the pass. Durant definitely is more concerned about Cousins in the paint than Evans beyond the arc. Even as the pass goes in, look at Durant. He's done his job by helping deny the ball to Cousins. (Note that Boogie is still calling for the ball as Evans receives it. He's less open than ever, though Evans has a better angle than Greene did.)
In real time, complete with Cousins' initial burst of anger. (Skip to 2:20.)
A few quick takeaways from my head:
* On the one hand: don't blow up your teammates right after a tough loss, especially without hearing why you didn't get the ball. On review, Greene would have had a tough angle getting the ball to Cousins precisely because Durant was denying the ball to the post, and because Collison was seriously contesting the entry. Greene looked to Cousins, and couldn't do it. I'm sure Greene could have explained that, if given the opportunity. I'm sure at some point Cousins -- other issues aside -- will realize that the play wasn't as easy as he thought it was.
* You've got to understand where Greene is coming from: he doesn't play much. He can throw a dangerous pass to Cousins on the block, with a serious possibility for a turnover or a deflection that leads to a broken play. Or he can get the ball to the Kings' best perimeter player with no chance of turnover or deflection. If he does the former and it's a turnover? He ain't playing in crunch time for a while, is he? And it's not like there's great personal reward if he does get it to Cousins. Maybe Boogie was just creating that needed incentive structure. "If you pass it to me next time, I won't punch you in the face."
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* I'm not going to question the team's decision to suspend Cousins, or even pull him off the plane. I will say, though, that if Francisco Garcia was vehemently disagreeing with the decision, as Amick reports? I ride with El Flaco. I appreciate a fast and stern reaction from the franchise ... but Garcia is the team leader, and one of Evans' closest teammates. If he wanted Cousins to stay with the team and work it out? I'd listen. It isn't like Garcia is just Cousins' dude or whatever. If this was a proxy battle between Boogie and 'Reke, it says something that one of 'Reke's dudes wanted Cousins on the plane.
* Donte Greene knew punches back? "You ain't gonna O.J. Mayo me!"
* Before the final play, Evans was 11-21. Cousins was 5-14.
* Would you rather a prominent King call out Evans' uncreative and regularly unsuccessful crunch time plays now, or in 2-3 years when a playoff spot is in the balance?
* Speaking of O.J., neither he nor Tony Allen got suspended for their gambling brawl earlier this season.
* I'll say this about Cousins, in addition to the thoughts above: you ever have a fire -- on your barbecue grill, in your flambe pan, when you're camping, in the fireplace -- that refuses to go out? No amount of water or dirt or blowing will put it out. The attempts to put it out, in fact, make it stronger. That's DeMarcus. All this discipline this year ... it hasn't done one little thing to put out that fire. It's burning hotter than ever. That fire can rip through the Kings and destroy the team. Or it can be focused on the opponent, and it can scorch a path to glory for Sacramento. Which will it be?
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 13, 2011 6:57 AM PST reply actions
damn.
This is just, well, it’s just, damn.
Are any of you optimistic that DMC will actually make the Phoenix trip?
I think he makes it and doesn't play.
Then plays the other two games.
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I hate to hear about the punching and whatever else we don’t have on camera. As for what we can see on the video, looks like Collison had DMC in a near “armbar”. If Donte’ would’ve gotten the ball by Durant, a big IF, then DMC probably would’ve been shooting free throws to tie.
Furthermore, if there is beef, lets just be glad it’s with Donte and not someone who will be here two years from now.
I hope
this thing doesn’t evolve into a Cousins vs. Evans thing.
When I see this team play, losses and all I see a team that is going to be winning a crap load of games in the future, even as young and NBA inexperienced as they are they keep taking the league bests to the brink of games. Cousins wants to win and he wants the ball in his hands at the end of games, that is something this team needs to embrace.
I think it's more likely to evolve into a
Cousins versus the Kings thing. This may be the beginning of the end of Cuz in a Kings uniform.

You people are insane, jesus christ… You know other players who have punched teammates? Jordan and Charles Barkley.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Agree, I'm glad to see some passion this season. And I'd like Petrie to let Westphal do the coaching
(I don’t believe the last suspension occured “after Westphal looked at the tape.”)
as a sidenote
you know what players who have punched teammates I would rather have than DMC? Jordan and Barkely.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, Charles is pretty fat these days but I heard Jordan can still hit a jumper...
I think in the long run a younger healthier cousins will do more for us than Charles and Jordan could
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Can't go wrong with choking a coach though!
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by Jacob Grinyer on Feb 13, 2011 8:23 PM PST up reply actions
Or
Cousins vs. everyone else. Why would anyone think that that his behavior would change one bit if he were elsewhere? The 20 year old kid is clearly a beast in more ways than one. If he doesn’t mature out of this, I’m not sure what kind of future he’ll really have much past his 30th birthday when he starts to slow down.
I can't say I'd be too upset if this is the case.
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Once DMC grows up and learns to control himself, he'll become an excellent player.
The problem with this young and inexperienced team, is that there is no one player who the youngsters can turn to, who they respect, and to whom they will listen.
That said, there will be these types of eruptions on occasion, which shows a desire to win., and are part of the growing pains.
That’s the plus side to the negatives of losing these close games.
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Jeez,
this team is turning more and more into a soap opera as the season goes on. What next? Personally I think GP sends a message and Boogie joins the team in OKC after watching tonight’s game on tv at home.
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Suspension seems a bit harsh
It’s obvious DMC is frustrated that he doesn’t get some of the calls he deserves, the last thing he needs is management getting down on him too. He gets fouled more than anyone, and yet never gets the calls. On the other hand, he barely breathes on someone and its a foul or even a T!
I don’t think its ever smart to get into “fisticuffs” with your teammates, however from the little exposure I get, I could see DMC being frustrated with a guy like Donte just based on their personalities. It’s obvious, and always has been, that Donte like to laugh and play around a bit, and its possible that had something to do with DMC being overly frustrated with Donte’s decision to pass the ball to Tyreke. I don’t mean to imply that Donte was laughing or joking around after the game, more so that its possible he has done so after losses before. We all can see how passionate DMC is and how much losing pisses him off.
I for one, don’t really blame him for being pissed. I just hope he learns to keep his mouth closed when he is angry and doesn’t address his frustrations with his teammates right after a tough loss. Wait until you can watch the tape and reflect a bit. Just like any relationship, sometimes you need to go for a walk and cool down before you try to address the issue at hand.
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When is the guy going to grow up?
Truth is, Cuz wasn’t going to do any better than Reke. The guy was being double teamed in the post for craps sake.
"Truth is, Cuz wasn’t going to do any better than Reke."
And you know this how exactly!?
Anyone who has watched the Kings this year knows that Tyreke is going to take the last shot. I think DMC would have had a much better chance taking a shot or driving to the basket and possibly getting fouled. All this talk of his immaturity just cheapens what he really is: Passionate. The cat HATES losing, and he has the balls to say something about it. I just wished he had waited to cool down a bit before speaking up, but I am not mad at him for doing so.
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Getting fouled?
You know this is the NBA right? And DMC is a rookie?
We don’t really know all the facts here (why exactly DMC was so pissed off), but I wouldn’t trust DMC in a last second situation any more than any other Kings player.
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Yes we do. THIS is why he is pissed off:
Against Utah: Give Omri Casspi the ball, slips in his hands, he throws up worst missed three pointer of his career. Kings lose.
Against Dallas: 1-4 Flat for Tyreke Evans, he drives to the basket straight into Tyson Chandler, throws up a prayer hoping for the foul, doesn’t get it. Kings lose.
Against Oklahoma City: Inbounds play, Tyreke gets it, shoots a three for the win from the top of the key, misses. Kings lose.
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My apologies, I didn't realize I was arguing with a mindreader :)
My point is, something escalated this from just him being pissed off to something that he and Donté Greene (Donté Greene of all people?) came to blows over. That’s what we don’t know, and that’s the difference between getting your point across as a professional versus coming across as a whiny egotist.
Whatever it was exactly, it was again serious enough that the Kings felt compelled to get him away from the team for a short time.
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I agree, he should have acted more professionally, however, you have to see that someone like Donte could easily piss off DeMarcus right?
Donte likes to play and joke around a lot and I don’t think DMC wanted to hear from that type of person when he is pissed off. (I could just be mind reading again!). Everyone seems surprised that Donte was the one to get into the fight with Boogie, but to me it makes perfect sense. Donte is a cheerleader, always in the mix and engaging his teammates. He may have just chose the wrong time to be in the middle of something and his DeMarcus didn’t want to hear it at that moment. Again, I’m speculating, but as a fan, that’s all I can do.
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I would definitely definitely like to see DMC take more last second shots than Reke.
As young as he is, he has a helluva lot higher BB I.Q. than Reke.
You know, I'm not so sure about that
I still see plenty of dumb fouls and plenty of dumb forced shots from DeMarcus.
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wait you don't see forced shots from DMC? Really?
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions
exactly
DMC needs to have a little higher shooting percentage and a lot less turnovers before he is yelling at teammates to pass it to him rather than a wide open teammate, let a lone the rookie of the year.
by MichaelMack on Feb 13, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe
However I see a lot more of these mistakes made by Tyreke and they are a lot more predictable when they happen.
DeMarcus is still a rookie, and he is trying to establish himself on the team as a major offensive weapon. There have been several plays where he is wide open down low and the ball doesn’t go into him, and as a result, may force the ball when he should pass it back out.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 13, 2011 10:59 AM PST up reply actions
I'll trust the Kings on this one
They’ve handled him pretty well so far this season IMO. Anyone who thought this kid was over the hump was deluding themselves though.
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So I didn’t record last night’s game. Bummed I can’t watch. Then I come over to StR and see that not only did the Kings lose, but DMC is suspended. What a way to start the morning.
I agree with TZ’s point that Garcia’s opinion holds a lot of weight with me. I’ll be interested to see how this shakes out.
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 13, 2011 9:41 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I Donte agree Ziller...sorry
A leading bounce pass to the basket IS there if Donte sees it as the first option.
However the in bounds play is ill conceived from the start because Casspi going to the corner shields Donte’s vision of his post option Cousins.
Durante is hauling butt to go under Cousins and get out on Casspi – I don’t think he can get there in time if Cousins is going to the hoop led by the pass – at worst it’s a foul and free throws. . A better play would have Casspi down screening Evans first and then trying to get out to the corner – the Cousins option is a legitimate first option and Evans probably gets a better look (not that wold help his 3 pt shot).
A bad play design, a bad inbounds and a bad locker room decision.
Donte
Could have gotten the ball into DMC, had he not done what the Kings have been prone top do all year: Hold the ball and wait for the defense to set.
They take far too long to make decisions, and allow the play to break down with their indecision’s.
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Good Point - they do that a lot.
Donte should see Cousin’s seal early -even before Casspi screwing it up. You can see his his big meat hook right hand calling for a lead pass to the bucket.
Just saw ESPN's news report on Cousins
They didn’t really say much, just said “Cousins was furious that Donte Greene didn’t get him the ball on the last play. He was taken off the team play and it is uncertain what his punishment will be”.
I’m shocked, I figured they would have blasted Cousins more. Seems like the in thing to do is build up cousins red flags as much as possible
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 8:51 AM PST reply actions
Read the website and the comments from readers
They are all blasting DeMarcus
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Not the point Wally
I’m shocked, I figured they would have blasted Cousins more. Seems like the in thing to do is build up cousins red flags as much as possible
The point was there ARE people overreacting to the situation. I never said anything about ESPN being evil so not sure what your point is wit that comment.
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Who gives a shit what some random internet warriors say?
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Guess I look at it differently
I take it as a gauge of what people, who are not Kings fans, think of DeMarcus. Sort of like doing a SWOT analysis of a player.
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what does SWOT stand for?
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
I'm guessing this a military acronym?
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
No. Business Management
Though, I suppose it could be used in the Military as well….
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Have you followed the comment sections on sport sights like ESPN?
Read any article about anything and there will be people acting like badasses.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
WTH... Why did I spell sights?? SITES****
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Not really
honestly I dont have a lot of time to read other sites, but I can see your point.
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It could be an article about Cousins saving cancer and people would go off on him
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
curing cancer**
ugh…. Need more coffee
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
you can say that about a lot of players in this league
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:47 AM PST up reply actions
From the other thread
Already hit ESPN.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6118009
They’re going to have a field day with this
Oh NOW they pay attention to the kings… f*ckwads
Yeah I got what you were saying but let’s not pretend this mentality doesn’t exist here.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I'm more concerned with how the media is going to try to perceive cousins
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
don't be concerned
you already know how it’s going to play out
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
* BASKETBALL PLAYERS! STOP FIGHTING EACH OTHER! YOU’RE ALL TOO PRETTY FOR THIS S—T!
This made me spit up a little coffee
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:06 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I was really disappointed to see the Petrie quote about trades/salaries.
I realize they’re on a tight budget but by refusing to even consider one 5 to 8 mil. contract for a year or two for some veteran leadership you’re just prolonging the development of these young players.
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These kids are floundering like’ Lord of The Flies’ without leadership and it sure doesn’t seem to be coming from the coaching staff.
As much as I have not been the biggest fan of how they've been dealing with Cousins this year
Although I personally don’t get too excited about teammates getting in a fight, that’s crossing a pretty clear line. I can also definitely understand the Kings being wary of wanting him on the plane right after he instigated a fight with at least one teammate. Who knows if that could boil up again?
Hopefully, he’ll fly in a little late and his teammates will rally around him but who knows?
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Bit of a sidenote, but I hope Donte had a quick enough wit
to remind DMC of his inbound pass that sailed into the stands when he had that responsibility a few weeks ago.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:17 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
That's probably why DMC took a swing at him
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by kingsfan300 on Feb 13, 2011 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
This is totally how I imagine Geoff making the call
by prowseinthehouse on Feb 13, 2011 9:26 AM PST reply actions 8 recs
I guess you and I are the only Inspector Gadget fans here
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 13, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions
I'm not going to take any sides on this
We don’t know what was said, so lets just leave it at that.
Greene could have said something along the lines of “shut your mouth, rookie,” or something like that. We don’t know, but it was obviously enough to get Cousins to throw a swing.
As Wally said abopve
Donte could have very well said something about DMC’s errant inbound pass a few weeks ago and it was the wrong time to do so!
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I think it's about time
SomeOne got mad publically about all these close losses and tried to hold the team accountable.
But I’m on the ‘Path to Glory’ bandwagon myself.
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by lietothegirls on Feb 13, 2011 9:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Agree, sort of
I’m happy to see someone pissed, but there are better ways to address it then punching each other in the nose.
Players only meeting, or something along those lines would have been more appropriate IMO.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions
Mine is! and it doesn't stink either!
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
I thought I was the only one
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Suspending the kid is moronic.
The Kings are going to mismanage this kid.
He certainly need to more effectively channel his emotions, but he is YOUNG. Personally, I also think it is becoming rapidly apparent in this season that Tyreke Evans should NOT be the leader of this team. He is not a guy who is making plays for others with any regularity, nor is he a forceful personality. I actually think that Cousins WILL become that guy. To constantly take sides against him is going to bite this franchise in the butt.
In addition, based solely upon Evans’ late game success rate (poor), I agree with DMC. He just handled it poorly.
Taking sides against him? He got in a fist fight with a teammate.... That's unacceptable, period and any player in this league would get suspended for it
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 13, 2011 10:02 AM PST up reply actions
Come on Mike
I’ll tell you what, if Tyreke takes a swing at Donte and gets in a fight with him and does not get suspended, I would agree with you on this. But since that hasn’t happened, Cousins does not get a free punch just because it’s understandable.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, we heard the "mismanaging" angle earlier this season as well
Right before DeMarcus made some positive strides in his on-court play and demeanor.
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Dumb move by Cuz.
He has a point but the reality is that sometimes situation dictates what plays you can run. Again, I think more people will see what happened as the sensible play than not. (Or you should.)
Balancing an ego of a young guy like Cuz and Reke was always going to be a challenge, and we’ll see how it proceeds from here. I think the issue is fixable in the long run even if in the short term there isn’t a solution.
This reminds me of what happened with the coming off the bench thing. It’ll be okay, but the question is can Cuz hold it in check? Who knows….
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I think I'll wait and see what comes out of the Petrie meeting
1) I like that Cuz has fire, and wants respect. To me that shows the kid has something inside him that this team desperately needs. There hasn’t been enough snarling on this team.
2) I’m glad someone is getting sick of Evans taking every final play and screwing it up. Evans needs to learn that his job is to facilitate a play that gets us the win, not take every last shot himself.
3) Cuz definitely handled this wrong. I think it was a smart move for Petrie to pull him off the plane. If someone doesn’t pull back on his leash, Cuz will make this a key player vs. head coach situation, which is the LAST thing we need here.
4) We don’t know exactly what happened in that hallway. Did Cuz actually make first contact? Clearly he instigated it with his attack on Donte. But I could see Donte getting hacked off that this kid is blaming the loss and him and getting up in his face, and pushing Cuz backward. Cuz has not thrown a lot of first punches from everything I’ve seen. But Donte is not exactly known as a fighter.
5) I have a great deal of trust in GP. I think he will get to the bottom of what happened. Calm Cuz down. Explain a few things to the kid and do what’s right. In the long run, it’s a lot less important whether Cuz plays tonight than it is how this shapes his future.
I do not think this is an “Oh my gosh, the sky is falling” moment. It’s just another step in the process of a young team growing and maturing.
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by SavageBeast on Feb 13, 2011 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I don't know what the details are on any of these situations
I just hope that they aren’t being unfair to him, or coming down too hard on him. I think that would be detrimental to everything we want Cuz to be. I’m not going to assume they are, because I have no idea, it’s just kind of a concern I have in the back of my head.
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 13, 2011 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
Agreed with 1.
I agree with 2, but not in this particular instance. Agreed with 3 4 & 5.
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Yeah, this might have ben the exception
But honestly if someone told you Evans would get the ball, dribble, jack up a three as the clock expired, and miss, would that surprise you at all? As a teammate of his, I would be sick to death of watching that over and over by now. Evans is not a good three point shooter and that’s exactly why they let him take that shot. He must learn to facilitate.
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by SavageBeast on Feb 13, 2011 11:00 AM PST up reply actions
Nope wouldn't surprise me.
Of course he needs to get better at facilitating. (He is learning.) But at the end of the game, it’s about making shots, not facilitation.
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Agreed
But if his best option is shooting a three, I’d rather see the ball in the hands of someone with a better outside shooting percentage.
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by SavageBeast on Feb 13, 2011 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
Well of course you do. Me too.
Don’t you think that OKC might have stumbled upon this thought too? This is why it’s hard to run end of the game plays IMO. The fact that Reke got a good shot up is testament to the fact that they weren’t afraid of him making the shot. The moment they are, other guys will get better looks and this will be less of an issue.
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agree agree agree
and one more point: I don’t see any evidence to support TZ’s conclusion that what the Kings are doing in the way of managing Cuz is not working or backfiring.
Also, I don’t know of many bbq fires that ultimately burned down neighborhoods. It’s like we’re trying way too hard to see the glass as not just half-empty but jagged and DEAR GOD, THOSE SHARP EDGES ARE GOING TO CUT US ALL TO PIECES!!!!
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Tyreke is making bad decisions throughout the game, why should the last second shot be any different
In the 3 games this week in which we lost by a total of 7 pts, he’s had 15 turnovers, leading to gawd knows how many easy points for the opposition. In last nights game he had the ball stolen 4 times while trying to dribble thru a double team and all 4 steals lead to breakaway baskets. And, the one time he did give the ball up to Cousins who made the jumper, Evans ran into a defender and was called for a offensive foul negating the basket.
I really don’t see why Cuz was so upset with the last second 3pt attempt from Evans, it really was the best chance we had, based on the play we ran. I’m guessing that Tyreke has failed so often in crunch time this season, that this was the one that put Cuz over the top, even if it really wasn’t Tyreke’s fault.
It wasn’t the most well thought out play, but if Tyreke makes the shot, or Collison doesn’t hold Cuz’s arm so that he can go up and tip in the rebound, none of this happens. But, after all Tyreke is NaPG. But, he is a inexperienced scorer who has a less than average jumpshot. And, with the absense of any real alternative, PW is putting the ball in his hands. So, DeMarcus and the rest of us have to learn to live with the results.
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by HighTops on Feb 13, 2011 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
Cousins suspended and not Donte
Kinda says who the team thought was at fault.
Not disagreeing who was at fault
It wasn’t Donte that chased down Cousins screaming at him. Just that we don’t know how it actually played out. What’s done is done.
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tough break...
this can’t help chemistry either.
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 13, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Kind of neither here nor there but about 9 months ago ...
"It’s kind of like watching a little kid throw a temper tantrum," Orton told the Louisville Courier-Journal. "But it’s a big little kid, so you’ve got to kind of control him before he gets way out of hand. He might hurt somebody, to tell you the truth. You definitely get out of the way if you can’t handle him, if you can’t stop him. One time I tried holding him back, and that was a mistake. I think he put a swim move on me."
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And as I recall
Orton threw a punch at another player in the Summer League. I think Orton is an unreliable witness at best.
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by SavageBeast on Feb 13, 2011 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
How does Orton throwing a punch show he is unreliable? That doesn't go to truthfullness at all.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 11:04 AM PST up reply actions
was he lying when he also talked about how Cousins and the team grew together into manhood too?
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
If you go public with how your teammate is a hot head and how you try to calm him down
And then you get tossed from your very first professional game for throwing punches, I kind of think you have a credibility problem. But hey that’s just me. You can believe whoever you want.
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by SavageBeast on Feb 13, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
How on earth does that go to credibility?
He’d have to be lying. That doesn’t go to lying.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
don't get me wrong though, I totally undestand if you don't think it's a big deal
it’s just that the arguement Orton is talking about is not one between him and Cousins so I don’t know how on earth it goes to credibility unless it’s just straight up lying.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
You're right it's not a big deal
But as far as whether what he said and what he did suggests he might be lying consider the circumstances.
Did he have a reason to lie? Yes, he was in the same draft and Cuz was getting all the attention. He could easily have had his teammate’s back, but he chose to label him a hot head. Motive is to make himself look better.
Does what he said, appear to be at odds with what he later did? Yes. He positioned himself as the peacemaker, trying to calm his teammate down. But he is actually the first one tossed from a game for doing exactly what he accused Cuz of. If he was lying about being a peacemaker was he lying about other things.
Imagine you’re dating a girl and another girl tells you this girl is a lying two-timer who cheats on her boyfriends, despite the second girl advising her not to. Then a week later, girl two is caught cheating. Wouldn’t that make you question whether her earlier words to you were believable?
Not a big deal, and doesn’t prove anything. But his actions make ME question the reliability of his previous statements about Cuz.
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by SavageBeast on Feb 13, 2011 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
I can't take this shit are you serious?
Imagine you’re dating a girl and another girl tells you this girl is a lying two-timer who cheats on her boyfriends, despite the second girl advising her not to. Then a week later, girl two is caught cheating. Wouldn’t that make you question whether her earlier words to you were believable?
Um, yeah I would question girl two. You know why? Because cheating involves LYING. L-Y-I-N-G. LYING. As in not telling the truth and having lied about shit so yeah I have to admit I wouldn’t trust someone who engaged in lying. If a girl said her ex abused her and two weeks later she gets busted for breating the shit out of her boyfriend, I also be a bit hesitant with what she said before given she could have been the instigator in the first relationship and that would in fact ruin the credibilty of her statement. Now if a woman says that her ex got into a lot of fights with people and she has had to calm him down before and then two weeks later you find out she beat the shit out of her new boyfriend, quite frankly that doesn’t mean shit.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
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by SavageBeast on Feb 13, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm just saying it doesn't make much sense because when someone starts describing a specific instance then the issue is whether they are a liar
now the draft motive might go to that I guess. I kind of find that a little far fetched because I remember watching the Orton interview and it looked like an idiot who didn;t know when to shut up and hardly someone with much of a sinister plan but I just have a hard time seeing how him getting in a fight later says he is a liar in this instance. Might make him a hypocrite though.
Either way, I would agree, this fight with Donte isn’t the end of the world or anything.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
and I clearly said the s word waaaay too much there
sorry bout that
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thank you.
Orton’s credibility is crap. I mean, I’m sure he’s grown up some since he left college and he’s probably a much different person now and yes, he did have some pretty shitty things happen to him at such an early age (death of mother for one), but at the time of that statement he was absolutely and completely a crappy source and selfish to boot.
I remember when it was discussed if he would go pro and he assured everyone, the fans, the school, his coaches, that yes, he would test the waters, but he would certainly do the right thing and finish his classes because when in college if your athletes don’t finish their classes, well, then the university can be dinged for it and can possible lose scholarships. Guess what? Dude lied. He never finished his classes. Skipped out early and came out west to train for the draft. He lied to everyone. And, he was only looking out for himself with the dig about DeMarcus in the above statement. He wasn’t a team player throwing a fellow teammate under the bus with that kind of statement, IMO, he was just looking out for himself. “Team” meant little or nothing to him. Luckily, we (UK) didn’t end up losing any scholarships, mainly due to one John Wall having a freaking amazing grade point average, but you get the point. It was a shitty thing to do.
Was this latest outburst by DeMarcus ill-advised? Yes, probably, but for the love, please do not use Daniel Orton as a reliable source as to DMC’s character and attitude. Dude isn’t reliable or even any more mature than some claim DMC to be. If we are talking about former teammates here, a Patrick Patterson type person, okay, maybe then you’d have a point, but not Orton. Your point dies when you use Orton.
Whew. Sorry for being so long winded and sorry, wally, if that sounded super bitchy. I guess what Orton did and said still kind of gets to me.
by BigSkyCat on Feb 13, 2011 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Great take actually. Not "bitchy" at all.
Just curious though, what was John Wall’s GPA?
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John Wall's reported GPA was 3.5
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I’m going to the game tonight and he’s not playing? Really?
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 11:12 AM PST up reply actions
In that the play wasn't planned at all..
…or Evans was the clear back up option?
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Well I thought he would be the clear primary option.
Makes sense though seeing those pictures that he was a clear secondary one. So still semi planned but less so. Whatever less than semi is.
Yeah seeing the play it was clear that Reke wasn't the primary option.
Again, I think that says something about Evans that he was trying to win the game.
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by kromeace on Feb 13, 2011 11:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Nice, BUT
I blame you for not telling Donte that Cousin was open. Not only is the loss now on your shoulders, but the team fight as well. You may have single handedly destroyed the entire Sacramento Kings organization.
What do you have to say for yourself! One game suspension, minimum.
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by 27freethrows on Feb 13, 2011 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'm a little surprised
A lot of the reactions to the last play seem based on the history, and not the actual play itself. What I mean is, the best scorer (albeit not the most efficient one) took the shot with the game on the line. He has succeeded and failed in this role before. He usually takes the shot, but there have also been occasions where he has dished, the end resulting sometimes in success and sometimes in failure.
A couple of inches to the left on that shot and this conversation does not take place. If Casspi converts on the tip a lot of this conversation probably does not take place.
For years, we had this insanely efficient scorer, and the complaint was that he could not take and make the big shot (something that he is doing with more frequency lately in Houston). Now we have a guy that can take and make that big shot (and take and miss, too), and we’re still not happy (understandable considering our record).
I really think that it is easier to teach a young player how to defer the big shot than how to take the big shot. I see Evans’ willingness to take the big shot as a very good thing. Not a perfect thing by any means, but a very good thing.
Had Evans forced the shot last night, that would be another matter. But he got open, had a clean look, pulled the trigger, and missed by a couple inches to the right. I’m OK with that.
And 1 – No one is getting a foul call down low in that situation, so I’m not sold on the notion that the ball should go right inside there. If Cousins gets the ball in that situation, he is on his own – no help from the refs, that’s for sure. And if you want Evans to get it to one of the wings, then get some wings that can convert. The Kings are now 24th in the league in FG%, 29th from 3, and 27th from the line. There are certainly no high percentage options for Tyreke to defer to at this point in time.
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by section214 on Feb 13, 2011 11:52 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Agreed, you really can't fault Evans for taking an open shot
And, while I can understand everyone frustration with the Kings inability to hit shots in crunch time. To be fair if the Kings don’t turnover the ball 18 times the Kings are up and don’t need to make the shot. We’d we running out the clock and the Thunder would be trying to foul someon.
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by HighTops on Feb 13, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Fun fact
The primary shooters on the floor with ’Reke for the final play (Cousins/Casspi/Udrih) shot 40.5% field and 12.5% from 3 for the game. Oh, and Cousins missed 3-4 free throws during a crucial 4th quarter stretch.
I would give more credence to someone bemoaning Tyrke’s six turnovers during the game as a cause for the loss than his decision making on the last play.
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by section214 on Feb 13, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
agree 100%
and my memory is not the best but I wouldn’t be surprised if this was the same case with the Dallas game as well.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
And
I have to say, as someone super critical of Tyreke, that I thought it was a good looking shot. Tyreke had been having a good game scoring, and DMC was not exactly torching his defender shooting 5-14. He needs to look in the mirror and check how much he has contributed before yelling at other players.
by MichaelMack on Feb 13, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
How come nobody has mentioned that Cuz had 3 TO's himself?
And is 2nd on this team in TO’s behind Tyreke? I guess it’s cuz Cuz is a big and therefore more valuable. I’m amazed at how little room Tyreke gets for mistakes but how much room Cuz is getting.
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because DMC takes flack from the team for all of his shortcomings
(which isn’t to say he isn’t praised) and Tyreke only gets praise from the team but has no accountability for his shortcomings.
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by prowseinthehouse on Feb 13, 2011 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Gotcha.
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I'd still rather have Cousins with the ball 12 feet from the basket.
He either gets a decent look, or whips the ball outside when the defense collapses, ideally to one of the players with a decent 3pt percentage.
Frankly, even at this early stage, Cousins has shown a far superior ability to size up the floor, and find an open teammate. Can’t say for sure he doesn’t try to get fancy and plow toward the hoop, but I still feel more comfortable with his vision at that moment than with Evans.
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by andy sims on Feb 13, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
DeMarcus’ stellar passing mostly comes from out above the top of the key. And if the Kings designed a play to have him as the facilitator from up high, I’d be cool with that.
But let’s be honest. If DMC gets the ball in range of the basket, he’s probably not passing it out.
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Both have similar TS% (Cousins 48.5, Evans 48.0), but Evans has a far superior assist/turnover ratio (1.8/1 to .6/1).
Since January 1, Evans has been at 53% and 1.9/1, while Cousins has been at 51% and .7/1.
I like the progress of Cousins, but I am nowhere near liking his decision making over that of Evans. Maybe someday, but not yet.
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by section214 on Feb 13, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Well, I'm not going to get into a stat fight with you, that's for sure.
But I think, without factoring in 5 seconds left, and 28% from 3, comparing the assist to turnover ratio for these two players is a little like comparing the completion rate of a quarterback with that of his left guard. I’d expect Evans to be a lot better, given that he’s supposed to be facilitating the offense.
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Right
And saying that Cousins is a better decision maker than Evans at this point is like saying that a left guard who is 1-1 lifetime throwing the ball is a better thrower than your quarterback, who has thrown some incompletions over his career.
Simply, the Kings have been more efficient when the ball is in Evans’ hands than Cousins. That may change. As young as both of these guys are, hopefully both of them get more efficient. But if the alternative to putting the ball in Evans’ hands is giving it to Beno or Cousins to facilitate, I’ll stick with Evans. I’m not saying that this is the long-term answer. But it is the best current asset when you consider the current inventory of alternatives, in my opinion.
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This is an awful analogy you guys are carrying too far
Evans vs. Cousins is nothing like a quarterback and a left guard. It’s like a point guard vs. a center. Evans facilitates the offense. Even when Cousins runs the offense from the high post, he doesn’t have the ball until Evans or Udrih give it to him.
Anyway, I’m with Andy; I trust Cousins more to run the offense in crunch time simply because I trust that he’d be more likely to pass the ball if he didn’t have a good shot. Whether that’s true or not can’t be seen yet because Cousins really hasn’t had that opportunity yet. Evans has shown that he’s much less likely to pass the ball in the clutch…according to 82games.com, he has a 7.0 passing rating overall, but only a 2.8 passing rating in the clutch. I don’t know enough about advanced statistics (unfortunately, though I’d like to learn) to tell you exactly what this means, but what it SEEMS to be suggesting is that Evans is much less likely to pick up an assist in the clutch.
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by CaliforniaJag on Feb 14, 2011 11:37 PM PST up reply actions
should probably also be mentioned
that Tyreke has a 25.8 Usage Percentage. Cousins has is at 27.8%.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
er
Cousins is at
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
Pardon my ignorance, I have no idea what that stat means.
And if it does have meaning in this context, I’m still willing to throw it out the window with 5 seconds left in the game, one guy 12 feet from the hoop, the other 28.
But then, I’m no slave to stats, I take what’s there.
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by andy sims on Feb 13, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well I thought it only should have been mentioned because of this statement (not the issue of which guy was 12 feet or 28 feet away from the hoop)
Frankly, even at this early stage, Cousins has shown a far superior ability to size up the floor, and find an open teammate.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
We can play it that way, sure.
Cousins has a higher “usage percentage” than Evans. He’s also closer to the basket. Seems like we’re two-for-two in Cousins’ favor in terms of justifying his having the ball.
This isn’t me crapping on Evans, I love him being on the floor in the first 47:50, when no single decision will generally reverberate for days. But in the last 10 seconds? I’d just like to see some other players empowered, or at least involved.
Everyone on the court, in the stands and watching at home knows what’s going to happen, the only question is whether or not it’ll work this time.
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by andy sims on Feb 13, 2011 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I never thought you were crapping on Evans.
If they both have similar scoring rates and usage rates yet Tyreke has a much better assist to turnover rate technically I have a hard time saying Cousins is superior in sizing up the floor. That’s all.
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
derp derp
“I have a hard time saying Cousins is superior in sizing up the floor and finding open teammates.”
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by wallywagon11 on Feb 13, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously.
You can’t even type it correctly. ;)
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Not saying Cousins is a "great" decision maker but I'd sure like to see a larger sample size.
I’ve seen enough crunch time decisions from Evans to know he’s well below average in that department (excluding yesterday’s shot). And I’m no stats expert but wouldn’t assist/turnovers be skewed by the fact a point guard (designated point guard) has so many assist opportunities?
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