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In proposed Nuggets-Nets deal, Denver would move Troy Murphy onto a third team with 1 or 2 of Nets four picks as sweetener, sources tell Y!

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Make the call Petrie

"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty

by vfettke on Feb 17, 2011 11:57 PM PST reply actions  

Seconded

and he’d be in our top 3 3 pt shooters

In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.

by ElRonToro on Feb 18, 2011 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Rather have Devin Harris personally.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously

But I would definitely be happy if the Kings picked up Troy Murphy and an extra pick.

Anyone know what picks they have? I know they have a first rounder from Dallas as well as their own first and second rounders, right? What’s the fourth?

"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2011 3:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Why?

What does Troy Murphy do for this team? And I don’t see the Kings paying that kind of money for Murphy to come here. Even 2 picks is not really worth it IMO. But that’s me. I know we see this differently V.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 3:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I just like Petrie with an extra pick, mostly

Regardless of how young we are and how we may not need more youth, an asset is an asset. Plus, it wouldn’t surprise me if some cash could be pried from the Nets as well.

Obviously, I’d prefer Devin Harris. Hell, I’d be downright giddy.

Also, haven’t you wanted a Troy Murphy trade in the past?

"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2011 4:35 AM PST up reply actions  

This

I’ll take Troy Murphy’s Bird Rights for a pick. I’m sure the Nets send 3 million out to cover over half of Troy’s remaining salary. The Nuggets could flip a cheap contract to the Kings and give us the other 3 million to make it worth our while.

Murphy is a good D. Rebounder and a stretch 4. I think getting one of those gives us an idea of how that ‘type’ of player would co-exist with Reke and Cousins without commitng long term. Much the same way Pooh Jeter has shown us that we need a Speedy Gonzalez at PG.

by Smills9133 on Feb 18, 2011 5:17 AM PST up reply actions  

what do Bird Rights matter?

We’d still be way under the cap next year, no? If anything, I think we’d have to renounce those rights to make full use of our space unless we re-signed him for cheap early on.

by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but that was before we had Cuz.

I can see how it would work, but honestly, I don’t really see the great need to spend acquiring money like Murphy just to get 2 picks and cash.

I think there are better options out there honestly.

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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 5:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not saying there aren't better options out there

But this one is fairly realistic. It involves a deal that is currently being worked out… that might be being worked out… actually it may be non-existent. But you get the idea. There are definitely better options out there, but that doesn’t make this one a bad one.

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by vfettke on Feb 18, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so

but they may be willing to hold onto him until a better deal comes their way in the off season.

Kwill: Walton said Casspi has a lifesize poster of himself he brought into the locker room.

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by sac_faithful on Feb 18, 2011 7:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually

reports from the first time around were that they didn’t want him at all. Also, there won’t be much of an off season with a lockout looming. Then, with a new CBA he might be really overpaid and impossible to move.

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by vfettke on Feb 18, 2011 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

well in terms of money

depends on how much he’s actually owed for the rest of the year, no?

by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2011 7:05 AM PST up reply actions  

My guess 4.5 + or -

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by ElRonToro on Feb 18, 2011 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

your aquiring a prorated portion of his salary. (about a third of the season). And you’d probably get a mid 1st round pick. I’m not quite sure if I’d do that just to aquire a pick. That being said If we can ship out Landry, even for a mid to late first round pick, who knows. I do like Murphy and always have, good shooter, good defensive rebounder, why not pull the trigger and give him a 25 game audition. Who knows maybe he fits in well, and we can keep him for a couple of years on a fair contract. I can see that line of thinking.

by sacman on Feb 18, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if Landry playing bad this year ends up as a bad thing

We can sign him for less money, then once his head is off worrying about his contract maybe he’ll start playing like he did last year and we will have picked up a bargain

by HeuristicLineup on Feb 18, 2011 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I spent a good year rejecting Pookey's

Troy Murphy idea and now that he’s not particularly for it I’m all in. I agree with you vfettke, it’s a reasonable and doable trade that I think would help the team. It’s an expiring that won’t hurt long term. I haven’t been to the site to see the whole post but as long as it doesn’t cost Reke, Cuz or Omri it makes sense. If Murphy fits in the Kings should be able to sign him to a decent new contract under the new CBA. I like it!

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by Bluejohn on Feb 18, 2011 3:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Oh I see BJ.

I say something and you take the opposing tact. Dammit, I wish I had thought of that.

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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Hell, that's how I rolled the first two years on the site

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Next you're gonna tell me you think I'm the perfect asshole....

Oh crap, I’m going to shoot myself now.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Dammit.

First I’m an inglorious asshole. Now I’m not perfect. Next thing I’ll become fat. Crap, already am fat. Nevermind, I’m screwed.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

It's kinda funny

last season pookey loved Murphy & I hated the idea of him. This year it’s reversed. I think Murphy fits perfect with Reke & Cuz. Great rebounder & outside shooter. That’s pretty rare

I love beating dead horses.

by allbenji's on Feb 18, 2011 7:38 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I still like Murphy. Just not for this team.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

But

having a big like Murphy allows us also to deal Landry/Dalambert without losing front court depth.

by MichaelMack on Feb 18, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather deal Daly/Landry for my own reasons than worrying about front court depth.

What’s the worst that can happen? Losing games?

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Dont you think

we should see if we could get any assets rather than let their contracts expire?

by MichaelMack on Feb 18, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure if you get a significant upgrade.

I’m not willing to make a deal just to get an asset like a draft pick. I think having Daly down the stretch of the season is more important than a low 1st rounder.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd say include Landry

and we take Harris as compensation for taking on Murphy. The Nets could use a productive player like Landry if they’re trading Favors. We’d probably have to include Beno, though, to make salaries work—would Denver take him in the deal if we let them keep the picks from NJ?

by LPKingsFan on Feb 18, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, yes it is

you can never have too many draft picks. They are a great trade commodity. And since he’s expiring we lose not flexibility for next year.

So basically we pay half his salary for this year and pick up 2 extra picks. Heck, maybe not even half of his salary as he may agree to a buyout so he can go to a contender.

This is a no brainer.

by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 18, 2011 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Why wouldn't Denver want him?

He’s an expiring…isn’t that what they’re going for?

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by caseycheesecake on Feb 18, 2011 6:51 AM PST reply actions  

Not exactly

They need to cut salary for THIS year to get under the tax threshold. So they need to take in way less in salary then they send out. So they’ll need a team under the tax to help with this.

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by vfettke on Feb 18, 2011 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

O I C

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!

by caseycheesecake on Feb 18, 2011 7:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd be willing to help

If it nets us (pun intended) some more picks. I understand that he comes with a high price tag, but as it has been pointed out, we’d pay less than half his number (season’s over half done). If you believe that picks are going for $3M, then the deal makes sense.

by misterbrister on Feb 18, 2011 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Assets

Wouldnt this give us a ridiculous number of assets for petrie to work with. I know it would be in short order but 2 huge expirings, and 2 to 3 first round picks, and Landry is a nice set of bargaining chips. Good potential there.

by Craunic on Feb 18, 2011 8:04 AM PST reply actions  

Expirings

Would only matter for the next 6 days.

by misterbrister on Feb 18, 2011 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus, one would be Murphy's

and he wouldn’t be tradeable unless it were worked out in the same trade

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by vfettke on Feb 18, 2011 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's one way I'd do a Murphy deal.

Take Nene and Afflalo off their hands plus Murphy and draft picks.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmmm...

If we could pull that off, I’d throw them a choice of a Beno/JT/Landry

We should even send cash to make them feel less robbed.

by gdub171 on Feb 18, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

That's just what I was thinking

The Cavs or Raptors would be able to take on Murphy’s contract with their Bron/Bosh trade exceptions and getting a few picks helps.

I would do this trade from a Kings standpoint only if the picks weren’t for this year (I don’t like this draft).

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2011 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

even 1990?

to quote Pookey:

the 1990 Draft. It’s Gary Payton, Derrick Coleman (he of the headcase variety and a guy where teams improved after he left), and Jayson Williams (he of the multiple trials for murder after his career was over). Coleman & Payton were the first 2 picks that draft, and the Kings came away with Lionel Simmons, Travis Mays, Duane Causwell and Anthony Bonner

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on Feb 18, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

2000

had two All-stars come out of it (Kenyon Martin, Michael Redd). Hedo Turkoglu and Jamal Crawford were the next best. And that was about it for the entire draft.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2011 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

That one draft

is a big reason I hold Petrie’s drafting capabilities in such high regard. Hedo was projected to go mid-late 2nd round, Petrie is like “Yeah, so? Everyone else available sucks”

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

That was a great example of Petrie's draft prowess.

2001 was another good example. He could have taken a number of players and settled on G-Dub. They tried to convert him into a backcourt player (which didn’t really work) and went from there. There have been plenty of “drafts” where people will say that Petrie missed players, but, well, that’s how people always are.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Also seems like

2012 picks (ie cheap rookie contracts) will be particularly valuable as teams realize they aren’t winners and they are going to get killed by the lower CBA thresholds.

Does anybody know if the 2011 picks will get the current rookie scale, or if teams will just wait to sign them until the lockout ends?

by furious.d on Feb 18, 2011 2:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Won't know until there is a new CBA.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like the Nets and Nuggets have come to an agreement

But it’s based on Melo signing the extension:

http://twitter.com/#!/Al_Iannazzone

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2011 9:07 AM PST reply actions  

Bah, can't link that for some reason

You’ll need to copy and paste it in.

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow

Devin Harris, Derrick Favors and FOUR 1st Rounders to the Nugs! Overpaying!

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

GTF out of here!

Wow, that’s quite a haul.

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

The picks are

Nets 2011
Lakers 2011
Rockets 2012
Warriors 2012

Maybe we can get one of these for taking Murphy.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Get the Dub's 2012

Probably the highest, unless Steph Curry goes all Durant next yr

by gdub171 on Feb 18, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

That site must be getting hammered right now

Can’t get it to open…

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2011 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Works fine for me
Sources: Nets, Nuggets reach agreement; now it’s up to Carmelo Anthony to say yes
Friday, February 18, 2011
LAST UPDATED: FRIDAY FEBRUARY 18, 2011, 12:27 PM
BY AL IANNAZZONE
THE RECORD
STAFF WRITER
After nearly six months of pursuing Carmelo Anthony, countless phone calls, text messages, trade proposals, counteroffers and acrimonious times the Nets are close to landing the four-time All-Star small forward – finally.


RECORD FILE PHOTO/CHRIS PEDOTA
It’s all up to Carmelo Anthony now.
The Nets and Nuggets have reached a tentative agreement on a deal involving Anthony, multiple NBA sources told The Record. The deal is pending Anthony agreeing to sign a three-year, $65 million contract extension.

If Anthony says yes, the Nets will get Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Sheldon Williams, Melvin Ely and Renaldo Balkman from the Nuggets. In turn, the Nets will send Devin Harris, Derrick Favors, Troy Murphy, Ben Uzoh and four first-round picks to Denver.

The Nets won’t do the trade unless Anthony agrees to the extension. They’re expected to meet with him during this All-Star Weekend in Los Angeles to try and convince him to join them.

Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov, general manager Billy King, CEO Brett Yormark and part-owner Jay-Z are in Los Angeles and likely will meet with Anthony to try and sell him on the future of the franchise and the move to Brooklyn.

If Anthony rejects the Nets, the Knicks are expected to be the frontrunners to land him. The Nets then would pursue other deals, including one that would send Harris to Portland for Andre Miller, but would involve other players.

This agreement is tentative because some things still need to be worked out. One would be where Murphy and his expiring contract end up. The Nuggets want to trade him, perhaps to Cleveland, and may need a draft pick or two to entice teams to take Murphy, who has hardly played this season.

That’s one of the reasons the Nets are including four first-round picks to get Anthony. It’s the Nets’ pick this year as well as the Lakers’, which is protected 1-through-18, and Houston’s and Golden State’s next year. Both have varying degrees of protection so there is no guarantee the Nets would have used them next year either.

The Nets basically acquired these picks to put themselves in position to acquire a player of Anthony’s magnitude if he became available.

But the biggest thing this is contingent upon is Anthony agreeing to play in Newark for a little less than a season and a half – or less if there is a lockout next season. Anthony’s first choice is to play for New York, but the Nets will be in Brooklyn beginning the 2012-13 season. Anthony is from Brooklyn.

When they meet with him, the Nets likely will pitch him on their global reach with Prokhorov’s influence, and the fact they’re building a franchise around Anthony in his hometown.

Last month, Prokhorov pulled the Nets out of talks for Anthony when they were close to reaching an agreement on a three-team trade that included the Pistons. On Jan. 19, Prokhorov stopped the talks and cancelled a meeting with Anthony for the next day.

But the Nuggets called the Nets earlier this week and they re-engaged in conversations. The Nets also had the most to offer and were willing to give up assets and provide Denver some salary-cap and luxury-tax relief to get Anthony.

He is a marketable star with whom they can open Brooklyn and could help them attract Chris Paul. But everything is contingent upon Anthony say yes to Prokhorov and the Nets.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks blob

Curious if the Nuggets would have gotten this far in the process if they didn’t feel Melo was at least somewhat interested in going to Jersey?

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2011 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Wow what a terrible deal for NJ

Keep Jason Thompson out of the damn fruit salad!

by prowseinthehouse on Feb 18, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

This is from Al Iannazzone

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/pro_sports/021811_Nets_Nuggets_reach_agreement_now_its_up_to_Carmelo_Anthony_to_say_yes.html

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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Prokhorov might be willing to oblige

or might convince him to stay

"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty

by vfettke on Feb 18, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt Chauncey will leave that kind of money on the table honestly

Going to the NY Metropolitan area to finish his career won’t hurt him that terribly even if he really loves being at home.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

could also be a lot of politics too

hey if I’m about to get traded out of my home town I’m going to make sure I look like I really really don’t want to leave

(not saying this is what’s actually happening because I really haven’t paid much attention)

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by wallywagon11 on Feb 18, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah very well could be Wally.

I wouldn’t rule that out.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

that might be a good point Wally

as Billups seems like the kind of guy that would move into coaching/front office type of work after his career is up.

by MichaelMack on Feb 18, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Billups has said he wants to move into Denver's front office after he retires.

EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter

No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

This Carmelo interview on espn just cracks me up

I can’t decide what is my favorite part of this. Is it the unnecessary background graphics (what are you in thunderdome?), the sunglasses, or the talk about thinking “deeply” about signing an extension>

Live every week like it's Shark Week.

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by wallywagon11 on Feb 18, 2011 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I know Carmelo is easy pickings right now

But I kind of see his side of things. He’s this close to being able to determine his own destiny, and he’s being asked to give up that power and help his organization get something back.

I think the guy really wants to be in New York, but the money he can make signing the extension and the hit he will take to his reputation if he leaves Denver empty handed are weighing on him.

I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...

by otis29 on Feb 18, 2011 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

One thing to factor into all this trade conjecture

Is the trade deadline is relatively LATE in the season and so the pro rated salaries of these big contracts are more palatable. This weighs favorably into the consideration of someone like Troy Murphy or Sammy D being moved.

Example: The Nets have already played 57 games. Troy Murphy makes (steals) $11.968 million dollars. For the balance of the season (only 25 games left), he is is $3.65 million dollars. If the Nets give us $3 million and we move a player in the process, say Darnell Jackson and Luther Head, it becomes a virtual free 1st round pick.

This is one of the reasons, among others in a pending post if I get around to it, I think Sammy D will be traded in the next week. He makes $13.428 million, but is due is $4.75 million now ’til end of year. If Kings are taking back that much, or close, in salary it will not be financially cumbersome to trade partner.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 10:16 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Another thing to consider is guys who have missed a ton of time and thus have injury exceptions

I think the Kings could get a piece or two from Milwaukee in exchange for Michael Redd. 70% of Redd’s contract is covered by insurance. Same with Yao.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2011 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I need to read up on the insurance coverage

because for whatever reason I thought Redd’s contract would be ineligible if he started playing again. I really need to read that stuff

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by wallywagon11 on Feb 18, 2011 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

If you could score a lottery pick out of this,

then acquire Murphy and the pick for a future 2nd round pick. Turn around and waive Murphy so that he can sign with Orlando for their stretch run – nice thing to do and we don’t need him. $4 million (about what Murphy is due) is not a bad price for a lottery pick. Question is, is that too expensive for the Maloofs at this point in time?

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by section214 on Feb 18, 2011 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

i hope not

Cuz it makes sense to me.

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by lars.ON on Feb 18, 2011 12:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

$4M for a lottery pick is a fair price, kinda

and of course, you get to sign that talent for less money for at least 3 seasons. If it is just a project that is signed then you pay for that development ($4M + say, 3 years at 3M/per or $13M or less) or you play the MLE $5M x 3 years= $15M for an established player.

Not so easy a choice.

by betweentheeyes on Feb 18, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Established yes, good not necessarily..cough cough Mikki Moore..I am not as trusting to Petrie with MLE as i am draft choices

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by Widowwolf on Feb 19, 2011 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

My question is where does the lottery pick come from?

If the current winning percentages in the east continue, New Jersey will need to win about 12 of their remaining 25 games in order to make the playoffs. With Melo and Billups on board, if they didn’t at least go .500 over the remainder of the season that trade would be a bust.

So if New Jersey is likely to make the playoffs, does the pick come from Denver? Memphis is only one game behind them and losing Melo will surely cost them that one game, but for some reason I think they might be a little touchy about giving up their own pick. I could be wrong, but I don’t think they’ll want to give up a lottery pick just for a Murphy rental. I think our best bet is either a lottery protected New Jersey pick (likely #15 in the draft) or the Lakers pick. Which would explain why no one has picked up on this trade yet.

by glazier_25 on Feb 18, 2011 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Um.

12 more wins would only put them at 29 for the whole year. Indiana, the 8th spot, already is at 24.

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by Aykis16 on Feb 18, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

They need to win all their games brother.

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by DTG13 on Feb 18, 2011 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what I'd personally do for Murphy (and this is me okay)

I’d take Murphy, trade Daly for Nene, and take Afflalo plus a 1st round pick (it doesn’t have to be multiple picks). As much as I like Daly, I like Nene better. Worst case scenario Nene opts out and best case scenario he doesn’t opt out. If Daly may walk, this protects you. You get 3 assets and Denver gets under the tax.

But this is me.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:00 PM PST reply actions  

I'd also take Devin Harris in return as well if they want an expiring contract like Daly in return.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait what?

How much do you think the Nuggets are going to want to get rid of. They still need a team.

by Lotusprime on Feb 18, 2011 1:10 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Well they'll also be 9 million over the lux tax...

…and that’s a lot of tax to get under. The Kings are in a wonderful position to demand all they can. Put a gun to Denver’s head and say look, do it or don’t. But we ain’t giving away our cap space to make you more financially viable.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah this is the only moment where a team can pry these guys away

because after this year their tax numbers drop. If we want to steal assets we have to do it now

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by wallywagon11 on Feb 18, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions  

You're asking way too much

…over half a year of Murphy? Come on, really? Do you hate Murphy that much, that you’d believe half a year of Murphy would obliterate this organization?

by CloudyEyes on Feb 18, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

The fact is that 9 million over luxury tax, and renting Murphy for a pick is stupid IMO. Ask for everything and expect it. Otherwise, why deal/

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Denver is 9 million over luxury tax^

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

One or two first round picks for him

I could care less about Murphy. He’s a decent player, and I know his contract is bloated, but he’d be gone after this season. It’s picking up 1 or 2 first rounders, basically, for a bit of cash (that Denver could pay for) and a half a season with Murphy on the team… and we’re asking more for it?

The Kings aren’t the Nuggets’ only trading partners, you know. There’s other teams out there that would pick that trade up on a dime. Ask too much and we’ll be one of those teams that missed out on a good deal.

by CloudyEyes on Feb 18, 2011 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing is that the Cavs apparently are dealing for Murphy and taking 2 1st round picks as part of the deal.

So, if that’s the case, the Kings have little leverage.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be all for this

I’d let Nuggets keep the picks if we could get Afflalo. The great thing about taking Nene off their hands is that even if he doesn’t opt out it’s not like he’ll be getting paid during the lockout. If he wants to make any money next year he opts out and goes overseas.

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by vfettke on Feb 19, 2011 2:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Nothing is going to get done by anyone it seems

until Melo decision is done

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by ElRonToro on Feb 18, 2011 1:58 PM PST reply actions  

This is the herschel walker trade with the nets as the minnesota vikings

A very good point guard, your rookie lottery pick, and FOUR MORE first rounders, likely 2 or 3 of which are lottery picks also, for a volume shooting carmelo? They do know he’s not lebron james, right? Waaaaaaay too much id say but I’ve never liked carmelo.

by lchristmas on Feb 18, 2011 1:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Nene,Harris,Uzoh & a late #1?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4jdftmz
This deal would save DEN almost 20mil.It would put them under the LUXTAX with Murphy,K.Martin &JR Smith`s deals all exp.Next year they would be committed to about 37mil with three #1 draft picks!

by hudson101 on Feb 18, 2011 2:38 PM PST reply actions  

Don't really see why the Kings would get the first out of the deal with Nene & Harris coming to the Kings.

I could see that being done for the Kings without the late 1st though. Giving up Beno sucks, but I guess you have to spill a few eggs to make an omelet.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That's overrated.

If you have to go out & spend money, I bet the Kings get a worse player than Beno. His contract is up in 2 years. (Or up in another year before he can invoke his player option.) It’s not like he’s going to be around for the next 10 years or something.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant for Denver

They`ll have to resign Affalo & Forbes,then two #1`s and a 2nd rounder.And still have money for FA`s.

by hudson101 on Feb 18, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Btw for those that have trouble with the link the trade looks like this"

NJ: Carmelo Anthony, Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Renaldo Balkman and Melvin Ely
Den: Beno Udrih, Jason Thompson, Donte Greene, Derrick Favors and Troy Murphy
Sac: Nene, Devin Harris, Ben Uzoh and a late #1 apparently.

That’s possible I suppose.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

No chance, unfortunately

Because it would be a steal for the Kings.

You might be underrating Nene. He is having a great season shooting 64% 15 points and 21.2 PER. I would love to team him up with Big Cuz at the 4/5. Those two playing side by side would be sick. Nene’s athleticism would complement Cuz skills, and they would clean the boards on both ends.

And 21.2 PER is borderline all-star territory, though he is not deserving given his minutes played, and his other numbers are modest. But by comparison no King has PER higher than 15.5 (Beno, Landry, Cuz and Reke are all around 15).

The Nuggets can get more for Nene, and I think JT and Donte Greene have about zero trade value around the league. I just don’t see any GM targeting either player as anything but a throw-in. Beno could be a nice trade chip, though.

Regardless, I think Petrie has to be targeting a player like Nene now or in the off-season.

My guess is that if Kings want Nene they will have to offer Omri, JT and a protected 2012 #1, since Omri was the player the Nuggets expressed interest in earlier in the year.

Would I trade Omri if it meant getting a player like Nene? Tough call, tempting… but probably not, solely based on age (28 vs. 22). Because for the short term (1-2 years) with Nene we’d be better. Long term (2 years +) not so sure.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Thats me, the one and only

And while I liked Akyis’ column, the opinion of a bunch of internet bloggers from opposing teams does not constitute credible source of player worth or actual trade value around the league, especially when the source is likely a guy who has taken cursory glance at stats, age, size, salary and likely seen him play only a handful of times with little critical analysis rendered.

Comparatively, I have seen every game JT has played over 3 years. And it hasn’t been pretty.

And I don’t think I need to remind you BTE the Kings offer of JT to ATL for Jeff Teague was rejected.

So I will amend my previous statement. Find a modest young unproven talent averaging less than 4 points and 2 assists or 2 rebounds, with possible upside, and you are close to the ballpark value of said player.

Wait, I said about zero trade value. Previous statement stands.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel a Visa commercial here

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by SPTSJUNKIE on Feb 18, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I see.

But you’re a more credible source? Your ego is incredible blob.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Ha-ha

I don’t have a big ego, I just know what I see, with subscription to NBA League Pass 6 years running as my primary resource. Not box scores, not consensus opinion, not blogger posts, but my own two eyes. I state my opinion unequivocally, with a track record to back it up. I was wrong once, admittedly, in the summer of ’93 lol.

Seriously, I reserve my opinion to matters of which I feel entitled to speak intelligently. For example, I do not have an adamant opinion on acquiring Marvin Williams, because I haven’t paid any attention to him. When I watch the Hawks, he doesn’t stand out. He is an athlete without refined game, but thats about all I can say. But I think I am qualified to offer an opinion on JT, so here it is, drum roll please ….

He’s not very good.

I recall last year I strongly asserted Serge Ibaka was a superior talent to JT and fair share of StR acted like the comment was incredulous. Now he is the 3rd best player on a Top 10 team in the NBA and 6th in the NBA in block shots. Anyone want to argue for JT > Ibaka? Please be my guest.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't remember if I found that statement about Ibaka incredulous or not....

…but I do know that I happen to think Ibaka is a talented player. I know Aykis thinks so because we’ve discussed him. So you’re not the only player to like a talented player who the casual fan may not know, but that those of us who do can appreciate him.

I’ve said it before: I like Ibaka because he’s long, a good (not great) rebounder, shot blocker and efficient offensive player on a few shots a game. HIs TS% last year was 56.2% and this year it’s 60% even. His Offensive rebounding according to OReb% is an excellent number. His defensive rebounding is a bit above average. (Like I said, good not great.)

Now, I don’t know that I ever argued about JT vs Ibaka because I’m not really sure what’s the point. But if I were, and we were talking about role players here, I’d say yes, Ibaka is clearly a better role player than JT. But I’m not really sure it matters anyway unless you want to argue that Geoff Petrie didn’t scout the EuroLeagues good enough to get this guy. Go ahead blob, argue that. I’d love to hear THAT.

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by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

OK we agree on that at least

And I do like that you are in favor of adding Iggy, and have been a strong proponent in his regard.

And you are one of the few posters lately willing to criticize JT. I give you credit for that too.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 7:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Blob you're not an idiot...

..but you sound like one when you trumpet your Nostradamus tendency.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not underrating Nene.

I was translating hudson’s trade proposal. Next thing you’re going to come in here telling us you invented the wheel blob.

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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....

If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't invent the wheel

My ancestor did though, cave_blob. He showed the wheel to your ancestor, cave_pookey, and he tried to wear it as a hat.

You made this comment:

I could see that being done for the Kings without the late 1st though. Giving up Beno sucks, but I guess you have to spill a few eggs to make an omelet.

…from which I implied you underrated Nene. Kings would give up Beno (and JT/ Greene) in a heartbeat for a player of Nene’s talent.

by bench_blob on Feb 18, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess maybe I didn't make my point clear.

That’s the cost for the Nuggets getting under the tax after dealing Melo. Clear now?

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If Omri has 12 games with 85+ TS% (20+ mins only) on the season, I will send RikSmits a slice of Cherry Pie with real Californian cheese pasteurized locally in Washington state.

by pookeyguru on Feb 18, 2011 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

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