Kreidler: Kings Will Ask For Extension To Relocation Deadline
by Tom Ziller on Feb 24, 2011 6:41 AM PST
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PrintMark Kreidler of KHTK's The Rise Guys and ESPN.com reports that the Sacramento Kings will ask for an extension to the March 1 deadline on filing a relocation application for next season. The Kings have reportedly met with Anaheim officials recently, and are rumored to be strongly considering a move to Orange County in advance of the 2011-12 season.
The extension request is not a great thing, because it means that the Maloofs are indeed considering a move. But it's a good thing in that most around the team considered the franchise gone, with little room for hope. That the Maloofs aren't convinced Anaheim is the right move, or that Sacramento is a lost cause is a good thing for Kings fans.
Of course, this reported decision also prolongs Kings fans' torture. But it means there's still an opportunity to show the Kings how much Sacramento supports them. The best way to do that: buy tickets for upcoming home games!
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HereWeStay!!!
This is good news. Means all is not lost yet!! Now it’s time to really hit home with the Maloofs and get them to stay!!
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 6:46 AM PST reply actions
I kinda think it's worse news.
If they don’t think the Taylor group will materialize, then they’re out. I didn’t buy the rumors as much, but now there is something of substance about them. You better increase your faith in the Taylor group or it’s game over. Taylor or Bust.
^ this
I think they like the current situation. everyone’s worried and there is some momentum to get things done.
Plus, if they file now, they can write off March ticket sales. can’t imagine fans shelling out for a team already halfway out the door.
This is what many of us were praying for a day or two ago.
Give us one last chance. That’s really all we can expect out of them
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
Well the BEST news would be for them to not file for relocation
However, if the Taylor group comes back with nothing they were probably gone come next March anyways. This extension will at least give them enough time to hear out the Taylor group instead of making their decision beforehand and moving.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This was the situation anyways
Even if they didn’t file at all this year, they would have done it next year if the deal didn’t work. At least this time we get a chance to see what Taylor comes up with instead of not knowing.
If the Kings leave, We all lose
by prowseinthehouse on Feb 24, 2011 8:55 AM PST up reply actions
I see this is as a good thing
It’s obviously not as great as “Hey we’re not moving” but an extension should allow the Maloofs to fully consider all their options, including hearing David Taylor/ICON’s plan (I don’t know how long the extension is for though).
Also apparently the league isn’t sold on Orange County either.
Kreidler also reports that the Maloofs say they would sell no part of the team, and if they did move, they would spend their own money, and not take a loan. They could use that money in support of an arena plan as well, so I do think they’ll tend to wait to at least hear Taylor’s plan.
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The cost to move to Anaheim would be $100 mill
And that would be for an old building, although newer than PBP, and they would have to develop a new fan base, while sharing the arena with another franchise. Among other issues.
That same money can go towards an arena plan in Sac and they can avoid all of the above hangups. Maloof money going towards the project has always been a major issue with the NIMBYs. Shoving $100 million in their face would go along ways to getting something done. They would be foolish not to wait this one out, but lets not kid ourselves either. This is our last shot at the arena.
Do or Die.
Kwill: Walton said Casspi has a lifesize poster of himself he brought into the locker room.
section214: Omri unleavened
by sac_faithful on Feb 24, 2011 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
I've always thought Taylor was our last shot
Lets get this thing done.
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quote from Taylor (which I agree with):
“The community needs to look at it as investing in their community, not them paying for a rich NBA franchise.”
時國王驕奢，不遵典憲。 《後漢書》
Interesting way to think about it
Didn’t the Taylor/ICON presentation mention that it could potentially be done for around $300-$400 million. $100 million stake in that could be really beneficial to the Maloofs
What other projects have the ICON group worked on? Can’t seem to find any info online
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
I thought they built the arenas in Denver and New Jersey.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 24, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions
They have done several arenas for the NBA
If I’m not mistaken they built the Pepsi Center
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
Pepsi Center was built in 1997 for $160 million
Which is a decent price for an all purpose venue. If ICON could do something like that in Sac, and with some financing from the Maloofs (the same amount they’d use to relocate) everything would be golden.
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
Again iirc there was a statement made by someone involved with the Taylor/Icon group
that said they could build an arena for around 200 million in most states but in California it would take about 300. Still feasible if the Maloofs could knock 100 million off that figure.
Strange though that their web links seem to not be working.
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
Amway
was built for $385 according to Ailene’s blog:
http://blogs.sacbee.com/sports/kings/archives/2011/02/amway-center-to.html
Much less than the $600 million everyone talks about. If Maloofs are going to have to pay $100 to move you would hope they would spend something close to that much to stay…?
BRING BACK THE ARCO THUNDER....STOMP!
Anything that gives us some optimism is good news in my book
Tom, is there a standard timeframe for an extension? Or are we in uncharted waters here?
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...
Mark Kreidler
BTW, Kings extension on relocation could well run through the end of the season. The NBA doesn’t really have set parameters, I’m told.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 6:51 AM PST up reply actions
Kreidler said
It could run through the end of the season.
by SacramentoSteve on Feb 24, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions
Good news!!
If the Maloofs were sure Anaheim was the right move, they’d just file and run off into the smoggy, lifeless So-Cal sunset.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Any idea of the new extension date?
by Mad Hops on Feb 24, 2011 6:49 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Probably sometime after the end of the season
The Maloofs likely want to hear the Taylor plan as well, and then weigh that feasibility over moving.
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Which is about as much as we could've hoped for
I would’ve been pissed if they filed for relocation without at least hearing the city out.
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Agreed
About the only thing that would have left me pissed at the Maloofs would be if they really were ignoring the Taylor/ICON group and not even hear them out.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 6:54 AM PST up reply actions
Agree!
I’m just hoping that Maloofs are not intentionally delaying this, knowing that they’ll leave later, b/c they think they can sell more tickets for the last several weeks of the season. It seems like this relocation extension would be a convient way for them to not have to face the music in season.
by Mad Hops on Feb 24, 2011 7:01 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
I think this is a "damned if you do, damned if you don't situation"
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...
How so
They’ve “woken” the Sac community up already. So they’re only damned if they do. If they announced tomorrow they’re not moving they’d have already reaped all the local rewards this near miss will give them and will at least repair some of the Sac PR damage they’ve caused.
I disagree completely
Honestly, I don’t care what the average dope-smoking knucklehead fan that comments at Sacbee.com thinks. The Maloofs (in my opinion) have every right to take whatever deal they want, whether that’s Anaheim or not. I wouldn’t blame them one bit if they had filed on March 1st.
The fact that they’ve filed an extension gives the Taylor group time to present the absolute bottom line facts of the feasibility of an arena/entertainment center in the Sacramento area. And that means the “Sacramento” Kings are still breathing, even if they are on life support.
So, in this scenario, they are damned if they do, damned if they don’t. If their intentions are to get all of the facts before making a decision, it doesn’t matter because the dunderheads will see it as a ploy to sell tickets.
I trust Mark Kreidler’s judgement of the Maloof’s here. He knows these guys, he says they don’t make decisions in a kneejerk fashion, and doubts they’ve decided what they are going to do.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...
by otis29 on Feb 24, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
And that's why I never thought they'd file on the 1st
It’d be an absolutely stupid move to file without hearing all of the facts from Taylor/ICON. Billionaires don’t become/stay billionaires by being stupid.
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
Let's just call up Elison and his posse.
We need new owners that have the financial patience to wait until the team is great again to bid for a new arena.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 24, 2011 6:53 AM PST reply actions
Ellison would just move the team to San Jose
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Just like Bennett, who everyone knew was going to take the Sonics to OKC the entire time
Everyone knows that Ellison would just take them to San Jose.
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Disregard my first sentence.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 24, 2011 6:56 AM PST up reply actions
In the context of Anaheim, is SJ really a bad thing?
Obviously we all want to keep the team in Sac, but if it gets to the point that its entirely clear we can’t an arena done, and its inevitable the Kings leave, would San Jose really be that bad?
It’s an honest question, but I would think that if they HAD to move, SJ would at least offer me the best chance to remain a fan of the team….
I think most would
agree with your sentiment. Though really anywhere NOT in the greater LA area would improve our chances of fandom.
I'd take San Jose over So-Cal in a heartbeat.
You said it perfectly too, “SJ would at least offer me the best chance to remain a fan”. Well Said.
Scot Pollard for President
Bay Area vs. So. Cal
Two really bad options IMO.
Here’ the one caveat if the Kings did move to Anaheim. No one can say that we wouldn’t attract big name Free Agents there. Weather, locale, etc. Getting a big name FA to go with ‘Reke and DMC would be huge in excelerating the rebuild. However, I’d rather they stay in Sac.
if they move to Anaheim there is no "we" anymore
at least that’s where I, and a lot of us from Sac/Norcal, seem to stand.
As a likely future resident of the Bay Area, SJ would be ok, although not as ideal as staying in Sac
If the Kings HAD to move
I’d probably stay a fan if it was only to the Bay Area
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
Me too.
Then I could at least drive to the games every once in a while.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Feb 24, 2011 8:21 AM PST up reply actions
same here
If they move to So Cal I’ll probably at least still follow the current team for a while, but it won’t be the same. Once the roster turns over a little my time as a Kings fan would be done.
I say I'll follow the current team as well
However, I think then more and more players will keep coming and I’ll follow the new guys and next thing I know I’m 80 telling my grand kids that I remember the Orange County Kumquats use to be the Sacramento Kings
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions
Get the f- in! :D
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Feb 24, 2011 7:00 AM PST reply actions
This is good news
but I think you (or if I may say “we”) cannot let the momentum of the HERE WE STAY movement slacken after the 28th.
I know I’m writing from far away and know nothing about the specific situation Sacramento and can do little to help, other than donating a bit. So if you think I’m crazy and should not interfere, you may have a point. I still will make mine, though.
It is easy to have a good feeling and congratulate each other after a sold-out Clippers game, with banners and chants and a great atmosphere, but that won’t be enough. You will have to keep working.
This is the time to take the message to those people who matter. Kings fans are easy, but I guess it is convincing others that a new stadium is important to Sacramento for many other things, including the economy on a larger scale. Return on investments can only come after an investment, and Sacramento should invest in a new stadium.
Funding such a campaign is crucial: reach out to people and companies who have something to gain by a new arena, reach out to the minority owners who allegedly want to keep the team in Sacramento. Reach out to the local sponsors of the Kings, etc.
Dunking Dutchman - betting that Omri will have at least 12 games with 85% TS% this season.
by RikSmits on Feb 24, 2011 7:04 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
We don't expect to let the momentum stop
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by Aykis16 on Feb 24, 2011 7:06 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thanks, Aykis
Good to hear.
I wish I could be there on the 28th. It will be awesome, I’m sure.
Dunking Dutchman - betting that Omri will have at least 12 games with 85% TS% this season.
This settles it
We should sell out each home game.
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I'm there!! Sell em all out!!!
Though this could be why the Maloofs are filing for extension since they know they’ll sell more tickets… smokescreen!
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 7:07 AM PST up reply actions
But...but...I want to be able to get a good night's sleep relatively soon!
This is like my own personal version of Saw or some shit. What good is a deadline if it can be extended indefinitely?
Go for it all. You're a great champion.
by Muff209 on Feb 24, 2011 7:41 AM PST via mobile reply actions
I noticed on the TV side last night
they were pushing stats about Orlando’s new arena. I saw this as a good sign. Why waste time talking about a new arena if they’re gonna move right?
Maybe I’m just looking for anything to hang onto but still…
Scot Pollard for President
I don´t get it!
for a few years now the Maloof resp. GP din´t do anything but dump salary and draft rookies (they basically gave away Martin for a guy making less then 1M/year), of course they still expect fans to buy tickets despite losing records and astronomic prices. So here´s my question: how in the world can the team with the lowest salary in the league (even under the minimum right now!!!) still lose 10M a year? can someone please explain to me where the money goes, how is that even possible? please help me
Small TV revenue + piss poor attendance + non revenue generating building = outflow > income.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 24, 2011 7:54 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Besides the K Martin deal which I disagreed with
All the other contract clearings were a year or two Late. The team was going no where and the rebuild should have started sooner.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Feb 24, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions
One dowsnside
And this applies to season ticket holders. With the 3/1 date, season ticket holders would have known whether or not the team intends on relocating before they would have to begin shelling out for next year’s tickets. If the Kings get any type of extension, season ticket holders will have to begin making payments before they know whether or not the Kings are staying. For cash flow strapped season ticket holders (yours truly, to name one), it’s going to be a bitter pill to make ticket payments while the future of the team remains in limbo. Throw the CBA on top of that, and it makes it a real pain in the arse.
Hey, if an extension means good news for Sacramento overall, I’m for it. But the Tuna Helper is going to go down a little harder until I know that the money that I am giving the Kings each month is going to indeed provide me with a return on my investment.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
by section214 on Feb 24, 2011 7:52 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
What happens if they move and you've already paid a bunch of money?
You have to get refunded, right?
The NBA: "Where 27 free throws happens"
Yep
The pain is being out of pocket when cash is so tight right now. Like I said, I’m OK with it if the ends winds up justifying the means. I hope that my fellow season ticket holders feel the same way.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Last year we didn't have to pay anything until summer
You had to ask for that, but . . . I’m sure the Maloofs won’t ask for money while the relocation is still in doubt.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Feb 24, 2011 9:15 AM PST up reply actions
Probably a dumb question as I don't know anything about season tickets, but...
Since the building only sells out with walkup/single game tickets and I believe there are plenty of season ticket packages available at all price points, why can’t you just let these deadlines pass and when/if it is clear they are coming back, enlist for new ones? Couldn’t you theoretically buy full season tickets right before the season starts? Do you get a discount for renewing early (and couldnt you maybe get a good deal by waiting if their business is slow)? Are you attached to your seats or are they h hard to come by at your price level?
Maybe that was more than 1 question. Just curious. Season tickets for me are a Tom Zook situation away.
by lchristmas on Feb 24, 2011 10:26 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
The risk would be
losing your specific seats. For example, we are in the 1st row of $40.50 seats – the row in front of us goes for $58.50. If we don’t re-up, we go back into the “pool.” Those that are sitting behind us that do re-up can relocate into our seats, and we can wind up being moved back several rows as a result.
SACTOWN ROYALTY - Try our thick creamy shakes!
Not sure how anyone sees this as "good" news
In filing for an extension the Maloofs obviously feel there is something worth extending talks in Anaheim for. And all the reports indicate that both sides are close on the issue. All this does it prolong the window that Kings fans can hope for the future (and lessens the Maloofs losses do to empty games at Arco closing out the season) but the end result will likely be the same. The only good news is when we hear the Maloofs don’t file.
We see it as good news
because a lot of us thought the move was 90% done.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
I think that's the problem
The move IS 90% done which is why they want the extension to get it to 100%. If it weren’t close to happening they’d have thrown the towel in on doing it this year.
That 10% and giving us a few more months of potential proposals to keep them
Is better than them being 100% done and the papers already turned in
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:20 AM PST up reply actions
If they're leaving I wish they'd just say so
This is just a stall tactic that ends up benefiting them as it gives them time to lock up Anaheim while not playing in an empty Arco (as will happen the day after they announce they’re gone).
by athletics68 on Feb 24, 2011 8:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not exactly sure how you can completely blow off the Maloofs loyalty
They have been here for quite some time and have been fighting for a new arena for 10+ years. The have a loyalty for Sacramento whether you believe it or not, I refuse to believe this is 100% on Anaheim and nothing to do with Sacramento. I will bet all my marbles(hopefully you’ll take a chipped one) that if the Taylor group comes back before they file for relocation and say they might have a solid proposal to fund an arena the Maloofs will stay. The Maloofs to me WANT to stay in Sacramento the problem is they are running out of options to stay in Sacramento.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
The Maloofs 100% know they will not get a fan base like Sacramento in Anaheim
The problem is they can’t sit around Sacramento forever waiting for a bunch of small town minded people do nothing
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:32 AM PST up reply actions
I'll believe that
WHEN I see the Taylor report being the deadline of the extension (remember we don’t know how long this “extension” is really going to be yet). If the extension isn’t to the Taylor report being completed it’ll be obvious that it has nothing to do with Sac and I’ll be right. If it is to the end of the Taylor report, then you’ll be right. I’ll admit at this point we don’t know one way or the other.
Science H. Logic what the hell is your goal here?
To be right that there is no hope and the kings are leaving? If that’s so why are you still frequenting the site of an extinct team?
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
My goal is to express my opinion
And I’m still here because as long as the Kings are still in Sac I’m still a fan of them. Don’t mistake my lack of hope for lack of enthusiasm for the team. I’m definitely behind the efforts to sell out games, etc… but I’ve also got no illusions about how this is likely to end. You be rosy if you want and then crushed when they announce they’ll leave. I’d rather accept that they’re probably gone and be pleasantly surprised if they don’t leave.
You're right, the Maloofs probably are trying to move
Which is bad news for Sac Fans.
But let’s look at facts: The Maloofs want to own an arena. They won’t get that in Anaheim. The Maloofs will have to pay off the 65m from Sac, they won’t get that help (apparently) from Anaheim. The NBA isn’t yet sold on Anaheim, meaning they may not have enough support from the owners at this point.
David Taylor and ICON, in the time during this extension, could come up with a plan that addresses the arena issue AND the loan. There is no way the Maloofs can or will relocate if we have a feasible plan on the table as that is what they truly want, just a new arena.
So yes, while not the news we wanted to hear, this is the most realistic news we can hear at this point that doesn’t start with “The Maloofs have decided to relocate the Sacramento Kings to …..”
They don't necessarily want to own the arena
It’s a lot of work to own the damn thing. They do want all the revenue from parking and concession at Kings games.
They own Arco/PBP right now but if they move would almost certainly sell the land underneath which would then be redeveloped.
That would leave Sac with no venue for events of any kind, no concerts, no rodeos, truck events, ice shows . . . .
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Feb 24, 2011 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Lock up Anaheim?
Uh, there aren’t teams standing in line to beat them to it.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Feb 24, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
Other than the Lakers, who already have locked-up Anaheim.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 24, 2011 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
I think he means
lock it up before they pull the offer off the table. That’s been my concern too. If it’s a decent offer it would be hard for the Maloofs to wait an extra year relying on Sac developing an arena plan or the Anaheim offer still being there. A lot can change for investors within a year.
rec'd, +1, FTW, This.
Why would they pull the offer?
As I said, no other franchise is waiting in line to move there. The Ducks are pretty good (OK) and yet are 26th in attendance.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Feb 24, 2011 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
So are the Angels, and they are 5th in MLB attendance
Sorry, I am just so annoyed with everyone pointing out how bad the Ducks are at fiulling the arena, while completely overlooking the fact that the Angels are one of the best teams in attendance. The two stadiums are less than a mile apart.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Feb 24, 2011 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
I think the NHL counts
But it gives a dishonest look at the facts. If you give one, you need to give the other.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Feb 24, 2011 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
Yep there are a lot of Angels fans
but then again how long have the Angels been in Anaheim building that fan base.
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
Not nearly as long as the Dodgers have been in LA
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Feb 24, 2011 11:28 AM PST up reply actions
Dodgers: 1958-
Angels: 1961-
3 years isn’t that much of a difference . . .
CALIFORNIA ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS
by AndyHogan14 on Feb 24, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
There also aren't
3 baseball teams in the LA area. Not to mention the Angels won a WS this decade and have been competitive every year since. Can’t say the same about the Kings, who would be competing with the Lakers and Clippers, teams that have been around that area for a long time and have established fan bases.
by SacramentoSteve on Feb 24, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t mean “pull” to give to another NBA franchise, I mean that within a year they might be broke or find something else to invest in or simply decide it’s not worth it to them. In business, you can’t assume anything until ink is on the paper. A lot of stuff happens in a few months- ask Enron, Goldman Sachs, Madoff’s clients, etc.
Rich and ready to invest one minute, broke or interested in another commodity the next.
rec'd, +1, FTW, This.
I think this extensions means they will
90% wait for the Taylor report. If it comes back positive, I think they stay. If it comes back negative, I think most of StR will help them load the moving trucks and say thanks Joe and Gavin you gave it your best shot.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
Additional cost since the Maloofs seem to be
footing their own bill on this move, 30 Million or so for pracrtice Arena.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
The glass is only 25% full for you athletics68?
I didn’t interpret this at all to do with Anaheim progress but rather that it would be wrong to not FULLY exhaust all options here.
See that's where I think their dragging their feet with ICON is telling
They already think all options are exhausted in Sac which is why this extension has everything to do with Anaheim and nothing to do with Sac.
by athletics68 on Feb 24, 2011 8:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Whats your inside source?
You seem to know a lot about the inner workings of the Maloofs.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
I don't think it's so much a source
As a desire to remove the last drops of optimism from the situation.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...
by otis29 on Feb 24, 2011 8:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeh
but sometimes you state it as a fact instead of an opinion. That gets really annoying.
To be fair, on some comments I have seen you explain that you’re a King’s fan who has lost hope and not really (normally) a negative guy. So vent all you want, I will back your play for what its worth.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
We have to take this as an opportunity to keep pushing
It’s obvious they’ve been talking to Anaheim so an extension just means they’re not sure if they should move. That’s where we come in!
Our last stand begins monday and will continue until a decision is made. This is good news to me because it gives us a chance to have a say in this. It’s ain’t over until it’s over.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
by edm7 on Feb 24, 2011 8:06 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Reading through the lines with an extremely positive bias....
This just tells me that Anaheim may not be right, right now.
The minority owners of the Kings don’t want it. The greater L.A. metropolitan area doesn’t want it (Outside of Orange County). Of course, we don’t want it. I don’t even think the other 29 NBA teams want there to be three proximate franchises.
The players would surely love a five day, three-game road trip to L.A.
Anyhow, “Here We Stay” now has officially beceome a sales-pitch instead of a plea.
If the game doesn’t sell out. It’s a damn shame.
I guarantee it sells out.
Its only the 24th and yesterday there were less than 1500 tickets remaining in the morning.
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I just skimmed tickets master
There is a few groups of seats still available but a majority of it is spotty single seats.
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:29 AM PST up reply actions
Single seats count as sold
when determining sell outs
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
Then from the looks at ticket master
There is quite a few open at the extreme tops(about a row or two) then a row directly behind the basket. It looks 95% or more sold
by HeuristicLineup on Feb 24, 2011 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
I did the same thing with my X Wife
Took some heat off of me during the separation so I could set up my defense… DAYUM,,, did I ever need it! :)
Maloof’s may very well be milking this… crystal ball still in the shop
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
by kromeace on Feb 24, 2011 8:12 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I was thinking
If during the Kings entire tenure here they played, for the most part, at 2002 levels, and, if Roseville was 40 miles from Sac instead of 20, how quickly would I give up my 26 year allegiance and become a fan of the Hornets if they moved to Roseville? Sure I would go to some games because they are close, but on TV and on the Net and in the newspapers (if any of you guys are too young to know what newspapers are , call me) I would always be checking out the Kings , the team I grew up with. It would be years and years before I switched sides. In OC its been 50 years and a record number of championships. Sure you would pick up those who hate to drive or can’t afford the Lakers, but at night the Laker games would still be on TV.
Aside; did I just set an StR record for run on sentences?
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
by ElRonToro on Feb 24, 2011 8:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Difference is, OC HATES LA
will all Laker fans convert? No. But, there are A LOT of Laker haters in Orange/San Diego County. That said, I would prefer the Clippers move out of the Lakers shadow to Anaheim (without Sterling, of course). Hopefully the Taylor group can get it done for you guys.
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by AndyHogan14 on Feb 24, 2011 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
Question: If the game doesn't sell out on Tuesday, is that a failure?
The Maloofs know we’re trying to sell it out, Sacramento knows I think…Would it be a huge confidence crusher of the Maloofs in Sacramento if we don’t sell it out?
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by caseycheesecake on Feb 24, 2011 8:23 AM PST reply actions
Not to put pressure on anyone
But yes it would. If Tuesday isn’t a sellout, it’ll actually hurt the whole concept of Staying in Sac.
Pretty sure the game we're trying to sell out is on Monday.
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by Muff209 on Feb 24, 2011 8:55 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's fairly safe to say there will at least be less than 1000 tickets available as tipoff approaches
at which point I would not be shocked if one or more wealthy individuals who are sympathetic for one reason or another to our cause will grab up the rest.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Feb 24, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
does the doctor have my test results yet?
Kinda like going to the doctor and having a biopsy done and then you are told the results will not be known for a few more weeks.
by noreboundsnorings on Feb 24, 2011 8:41 AM PST reply actions
The Hawks will send Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, Maurice Evans and a first-round pick to Washington in exchange for Kirk Hinrich and Hilton Armstrong
Talk about overpaying.
I was uncool before it was cool
guess that trade means
that Bibby is about done in the NBA?
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Feb 24, 2011 8:56 AM PST up reply actions
Im just surprised
The Hawks let Crawford go in this deal along with a first round pick! They are just throwing away their future assets!
(Sorry for posting it here, we don’t have a trade day open thread)
I was uncool before it was cool
The best thing we can do
Is make every home game like the HERE WE STAY game. Obviously doing it at the planned game is going to be huge but we need to keep an atmosphere like that to show the Maloofs how much Sacramento cares, and that we don’t care just for one game. We care for eternity.
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I am still confused
Last year the Kings said they didn’t lose money. This year has that changed? I was under the impression that the last couple of seasons the Maloofs stated they were doing better than breaking even.
If that hasn’t changed I still don’t understand why you move a sports team that is either making a small margin or breaking even (from past season reports) to an area that they will have to struggle to survive right off the bat, and invest $100M to do it (which is ten seasons of losing $10M).
As for this extension: it behooves the Maloofs to hear the last proposal. The last proposal is a feasibility study only. It will not be a go ahead announcement nor the start of construction. By adding the extension selling tickets for the rest of this season will be easier – some will want to show support others will find it an excuse to not turn out.
Especially in a league where most of the teams have been losing money by the bucketload
to be able to even break even here shows a lot. Of course we don’t know what their finances are exactly.
If the Kings leave, We all lose
by prowseinthehouse on Feb 24, 2011 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
Believe it or not
I keep hearing losing teams makes more profit than winning teams these days in almost league including college programs.
I hope David Taylor has an ego
Because if he pulls this shit off, he is going to be a Sacramento legend. Hell I’d even paint his face on the old sac tunnel next to all of the other big names of Sacramento
If the Kings leave, We all lose
by prowseinthehouse on Feb 24, 2011 9:02 AM PST reply actions
A bronze statue perhaps?
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Feb 24, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Speaking of the clippers
They just traded Baron Davis and their ’11 first rounder for Mo Williams and Jamario Moon.
by Lotusprime on Feb 24, 2011 9:06 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Mo Williams
I’d rather have Diddy than Mo, who IMO is average at best.
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Feb 24, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
not for the $$ difference
considering they’re going to have to extend DeAndre Jordan.
The pick, though, is a tough call
Both teams are nuts
baaaad deal for Cleveland and give up your 1st rounder for LA?
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Feb 24, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
Here We Stay
needs to start working on the Wed Portland game.
I think the Clippers is close enough.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
Honestly
The last few days, this had been my gut. They would file for an extension until they got what they wanted from Taylor/ICON and the fanbase. Maybe what Samueli is offering isn’t that good either.
Honestly, I think they are trying to send the message that the Kings are Free Agents but right now the city of Sacramento has Bird Rights.
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by pookeyguru on Feb 24, 2011 9:26 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Thus.
And, why do I keep reading so much talk about “Sacramento City” being the scope of the plan? This is a project which affects the entire region, from Yuba City to Stockton, Placerville to Davis! Surely the effect upon the larger area should be considered (West Sac, Elk Grove and Roseville/Folsom spring to mind) as they will also be prime beneficiaries.
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It's a good point
the county shoul at least be involved.
"But screw your courage to the stiking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Feb 24, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions
Good call Pook
I read yesterday that you had anticipated this. Well done
I was uncool before it was cool
This is an excellent way of putting it
Rec’d.
I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints...
They really didn't have a choice here
If they announced they are staying then the momentum for an arena goes away. If they announce they are leaving then the momentum for an arena goes away.
IF their goal is to keep all options open then the only thing they could do is file for an extension. And business people always try to keep their options open.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
by MustangMBS on Feb 24, 2011 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
1. File for an extension
2. Fans have more time to support the Kings while they are still in Sacramento
3. ????
4. Profit
Step 1: Steal Maloofs underpants
Step 2:??
Step 3: New Sports Complex
I'm feeling like I want to rage...right now.
-#38
by kangsfan on Feb 24, 2011 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
its a scare tactic
i bet the reason for this is because they want to wait till after the 90 icon group study finishes and the city board votes on it. basically saying we will leave now if they dont get it approved!
by Shawn Sunny Kakwani on Feb 24, 2011 12:15 PM PST reply actions
Question:
If Taylor puts forward a solid proposal that keeps the Kings in Sacramento (best possible scenario), how much will the city have to pay? Also, would it have to go to a vote? I really hope you guys can keep your team . . . I obviously do not follow the arena issue religiously like many of you guys might, but if it goes to a vote, what are the odds that the outcome would be in favor of a new arena?
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Per Amick
NBA statement regarding Kings request for relocation deadline extension, via Tim Frank: “The Sacramento Kings have requested an extension..”
It’s official
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More
NBA: "..of the March 1 deadline to give Kings ownership the opportunity to discuss their options with the Board of Governors at its April 14 – 15 meeting. The Board is currently considering the Kings’ request
"What the fuck did I do?" - McNulty
Call me a cynic but
If there is an extn until the season is over, if the Maloofs feel there is not way to get a deal done, once the season is over there will be no outpouring of fan upset at games.
If they announced it March 1 there would all kinds of stories of fan upset, fans with signs, stories about the team leaving. They will get more money in seats sold. I’m not saying that will happen but the thought crossed my mind.
The LA area likes winners its the ultimate bandwagon down, remember Mannymania when he came to town, the flags that come out when the Lakers make the 2nd round of the playoffs.
Anyone listen to the David Stern interview with Bill Simmons on his podcast, as I get older I do find Stern has become more pompus with age, and he gets more credit for the league when in spite of its recent problems he might have a few questions to answer, referee performance comes to mind (I think his stance of just because I say we have the best refs doesn’t make it so)
Grant just said
that the next BoG meeting after the 4/15 is in June. Which nmeans if we escape the April meeting they wouldn’t be approved tomove until the June meeting.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
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