Say Hello To NBA's Relocation Committee
Bumped. Let's go! -- TZ
The NBA has announced the relocation committee that is considering the potential relocation. Jerry Buss has been replaced by Clay Bennett, and Greg Miller and Glen Taylor make up the two spots we didn't know before. The other spots belong to Mickey Arison, Peter Holt, Ed Snider and Herb Simon.
Below, you'll find contact info for the seven members and a brief letter I'd like you to consider sending, of course with any modifications or additions you like. I urge everyone to keep it positive. This is about advocating on behalf of Sacramento, not disparaging the Maloofs, the people of Anaheim or the commissioner.
Here is the letter. Contact info after the jump.
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Dear ______,
As a Sacramento Kings fan, I'd like to urge you to ensure that the hundreds of thousands of Kings fans who live in the Sacramento area are a primary consideration in your consideration of a potential application for relocation by the Maloof family. We all know it's difficult to make money in a smaller market. But as the Spurs and Jazz have shown through the years, with cooperation and smart management it can be done.
The NBA needs markets like Sacramento, and fans like us. We supported the Kings strongly through the lean years, and have two of the five longest sell-out streaks in NBA history. Only a sharp downturn in team performance combined with continued high ticket prices and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression knocked Kings' attendance off its permanent perch near the top of the league. Sacramento has supported the Kings through thick and thin, and I know all NBA owners can appreciate that loyalty. We'd like to see that loyalty reciprocated.
If the Maloofs are allowed to move to Los Angeles, the odds against small and middle markets will become even more stacked, and the L.A., New York and Chicago franchises will have even less reason to negotiate fair revenue sharing with the small and middle market teams, the bread and butter of our league. A vote for relocation to L.A. is a vote for league consolidation in the giant markets. That doesn't serve the NBA's coast-to-coast fan base, and it amplifies the very real financial challenges the league faces.
Sacramento Kings fans would love to be a part of the dialogue going forward. Please contact me if you have any questions about what the Kings mean to Sacramento.
Best wishes,
________ , [email address]
Contact list:
Mickey Arison: guestservices@heat.com
Glen Taylor: http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/wolves/contact_us.html
Clay Bennett: http://www.nba.com/thunder/contact.html
Peter Holt: http://www.nba.com/spurs/contact-spurs-organization
Herb Simon: http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/fan_mail.html
Ed Snider: mpreston@comcast-spectacor.com
Greg Miller: gmiller@lhm.com
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Awesome
I’m emailing them all right now. Thanks TZ!
Also, has there been any comment/reasoning as to why Buss was replaced with Bennett? I’d kinda get it if Buss was replaced with a more impartial owner, but yeah…obviously not the case.
"I've gone back to a time when dinosaurs weren't just confined to zoos!"
"Ralph, Jesus did not have wheels."
"One word: coffee. One problem: where do you get it?" "Anywhere! You get it anywhere!" "Wrong! You get it in my coffee vending machine. 38th and 6th in the basement of the K-Mart. You just go downstairs, you get the key from David, and BOOM! You plug in the machine and..." "You're done."
My guess is:
putting aside conspiracy theories, it just makes sense.
This committee will be looking at the viability of the move and quite frankly Bennett is the most recent owner to go through that.
Buss on the other hand is a vocal opponent of the move. So while Kings fans might like to see him running the committee, it probably isn’t fair for him to do it. Especially if the committee has any hand on deciding relocation fees or compensation to the Lakers or Clippers, you really can’t have the owner of the Lakers or Clippers owners on the panel. It would be like suing someone and then serving as judge of your own trial.
Perhaps if this was definitely going to pass the BOG, Stern might let Buss run the committee just to appease him and let him feel like he had every opportunity to stop this. However, with it appearing like the Maloofs currently don’t have the votes they need, they are probably trying to pick owners who would appear to be as impartial as possible.
That makes sense
Thanks. I’d totally understand Bennett being ON the committee because, like you said, he’s been through it recently and can attest to various aspects other owners couldn’t. I don’t like that he’s the head of it, though. And I’d also understand Buss being kicked off for his involvement. I just wish Bennett wasn’t on it, or if he was, that he wasn’t the head. All of your points make perfect sense though and maybe we should look at it as a good thing…that perhaps Buss WAS only there to appease him when it looked like a done deal, which it doesn’t now. Again, excellent points. Thanks :)
"I've gone back to a time when dinosaurs weren't just confined to zoos!"
"Ralph, Jesus did not have wheels."
"One word: coffee. One problem: where do you get it?" "Anywhere! You get it anywhere!" "Wrong! You get it in my coffee vending machine. 38th and 6th in the basement of the K-Mart. You just go downstairs, you get the key from David, and BOOM! You plug in the machine and..." "You're done."
Artfully put
I might change “tens of thousands” to “hundreds of thousands” as I believe that’s likely factual for the entire market.
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Which I will eat.
lay was appropriate since that is what he did to Seattle
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m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
by JediLeroy on Apr 16, 2011 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I've made a huge mistake.
Rocks are free, and slingshots easily stolen. And for a limited time, every third person who follows me on Twitter (andy_sims) gets a free ice cream cone.
Which I will eat.
by andy sims on Apr 16, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is the email for Ed Snider right?
Because I got an auto reply from a Michael Preston…which is what the email address looks like. He appears to be from the 76ers…
"I've gone back to a time when dinosaurs weren't just confined to zoos!"
"Ralph, Jesus did not have wheels."
"One word: coffee. One problem: where do you get it?" "Anywhere! You get it anywhere!" "Wrong! You get it in my coffee vending machine. 38th and 6th in the basement of the K-Mart. You just go downstairs, you get the key from David, and BOOM! You plug in the machine and..." "You're done."
I will definitely send a letter.
Can someone please explain how much power has this committee over BOG? Do their views influence more or is it just typical for their bureaucratic procedures?
The committee makes the recommendation on what to do.
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Thanks
This situation looks more and more like a classic Kings drama. Hopeful before the game, down 20 at half, epic come back to take the lead in the final minutes (Burkle) and…
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
Except Kobe (Buss) is on our side this time.
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Stern just benches him before the final posession
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Apr 15, 2011 7:09 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually Buss is
but Kobe is not. He already said it would be cool to have them move
If the Kings leave, We all lose
by prowseinthehouse on Apr 16, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Great
Everything helps!!! Keep up positive work. The More Debby downers that post or discourage all and every attempt to save Kings will just make peaches stronger.
by HoggStatus on Apr 15, 2011 5:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Don(te)
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Fuck you Landon Donovan, have fun losing in the World Cup asshole.
I emailed...
plus added that i live in Orange County and no one gives a rat’s arse about the Kings possibly coming down here…
by Ryan J on Apr 15, 2011 6:04 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
done finally
has anybody heard back?
"It ain't Chinese algebra" - Tony Allen from Basketbawful
Make sure to pepper in a few lines that are bit more personal
try not to make it a mass send of copy pasta. Let them know what this team really means to you!!!
This, if it isn't personal they will just treat it like spam
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Wait a minute.. Buss is off the committee entirely? CRAP
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Apparently his good buddies with Bennett
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Made me feel a bit better
Definitely a weird and complex situation
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
How to respond to this..........
Just weird. IF you treat Bennett like a typical NBA owner (which he isn’t), he DOES have some experience of dealing with with how much it takes to relocate a team. If the Maloofs aren’t ready, Bennett could give the committee a vote of confidence for KJ and his group (IF their plan has fasttracked)
So many IFs.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
We Jazz fans
are lobbying our owner Greg Miller hard to keep the Kings in Sactown. (Even though you beat us out for the #5 draft pick.)
We’re with you.
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by Shums on Apr 15, 2011 7:06 PM PDT reply actions 18 recs
Rec'd!
Hang in there, Shums. Wait till your Jazz rebuild, they’ll be in the playoffs and you’ll be celebrating like its the 1980s with Karl Malone and John Stockton. Thanks for the support.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Here's hoping.
We like our young talent, at least (Hayward, Favors). Sucks to have two lottery picks in a down year for the draft — and who knows what will happen with the CBA — but the pieces are lining up.
But I have a soft spot for the Kings. We’ve had our battles (C-Webb leveled Stockton on a moving screen once and Jerry almost punched him out), but always got respect for the fans.
Plus, I’ll never forget you guys for this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_T-MZbgEsc
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by Shums on Apr 15, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
i was there and fondly remember the the goosebumps from that standing
hey dipitydoo
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by want2win on Apr 15, 2011 7:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Aw jeez, thanks for making me cry, Shums
I’ll always have a soft spot for the Kings because of that moment. A fanbase that awesome deserves to have their team stay put. I was one of the many Jazz fans tweeting our support for Sacramento to Greg Miller this afternoon. Hopefully he recognizes how important this whole affair is to the future of all small market teams. Keep the faith, Kings fans.
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by shandonfan on Apr 15, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha, deal
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
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Do you have any idea which way Greg Miller may vote?
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
No idea.
His father Larry would likely have vehemently voted to keep the Kings in Sacramento, were he still alive. Greg hasn’t been involved with the team for very long — he may not want to make any waves at this point. On the other hand, SLC and Sacto are similarly small markets (SLC is smaller by a few hundred thousand), and that may sway Greg’s support.
My guess is that he will not do much one way or the other but will stick with the majority of the committee, whatever it is.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
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Why would we assume Larry would have vehemently voted to keep the Kings in Sac?
I got zero clue where that is coming from. Did he always vehemently vote against relocation and I was completely unaware of it?
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 15, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's based on what he did with the Jazz
When he originally bought 50% of the team, he had a chance to sell that share for a considerable profit a year later, but that would have meant the team moved out of Utah. So instead of selling, he took out enough loans to buy the other 50%, and kept them here in Salt Lake. Then when he wanted to move out of the old arena (the Salt Palace), he ponied up the money for the new arena (Delta Center/EnergySolutions Arena) himself — he didn’t try to force the city/taxpayers to build it for him.
So I think he would have incredible distaste for how the Maloofs have handled this whole thing, and would probably vote accordingly.
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by shandonfan on Apr 15, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yup
well said.
Uh, do you think you could draw me like a ninja?
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I love the way the Jazz always handled business
they were a classy organization. I just really hope that the son doesn’t screw it all up.
If the Kings leave, We all lose
by prowseinthehouse on Apr 16, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Cheers to you
We’ll take all the help we can get
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
by 27freethrows on Apr 15, 2011 7:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thanks Utah
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Apr 17, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Shums is right
Basketball John (editor of SLC Dunk, the Jazz blog) just sent us an e-mail clarifying Greg Miller’s contact info.
New e-mail is gmiller@lhm.com . Updated in original post. Thanks for the support guys.
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This can't be a positive development. Interesting addition of small market teams though
When Stern says Bennett might be helpful to negotiate with Sacramento he later clarifies that he means the Kings and not the city.
It is very interesting that there was huge controversy during the Seattle move that centered around vacating a larger market for a smaller market and Clay Bennett effectively argued that there was a business model to make a small market team very viable. It is ironic that one of the arguments for this move is the preferential size of the larger Anaheim market.
The committee includes several smaller market teams (Utah, Indiana, San Antonio, OKC)
and no large market teams (LA, New York, Chicago).
It seems that Stern still wants this Anaheim move to work (he has granted two extensions and he could have allowed a negative vote to proceed.
Stern is friends with Henry Samueli. Does anyone know if Clay Bennett.has any ties to Samueli?
The key issue that appears now to be the focus is the building (by David Stern’s admission today and not the size of the Sacramento market). Clay Bennett moved from Seattle because he couldn’t get a new building built despite heroic efforts (and dubious efforts). Sound familiar? Clay Bennett sent emails back and forth soon after he bought his team that the Sonics were gone at the same time he was negotiating for a new arena. This was a focal point in the lawsuit. The man has no credibility. None.
It seems that David Stern’s scheme here is to perform a “fact finding” on the Sacramento financing, give two weeks for the city to put an arena proposal together and then let the newly configured relocation committee shoot the proposal down as not viable. The Maloofs and Clay Bennett are the masters at shooting down arena proposals.
Stern and the NBA knows the Taylor / ICON group won’t have a prposal done by May 2nd. Why not grant the extension until May 15th? Where is the fact finding about the Maloofs financial situation? That is more critical than a two week arena plan. Which owner stated the Sac proposal was too little too late… Was it Bennett?
They are going to expect a proposal where Burkle builds a f—-ing arena in Sacramento for the Maloofs and have them net all the profits.
This is shaping up to be BS.
by SacKingsfanforever on Apr 15, 2011 7:37 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Gotta use two weeks to shoot back
Item #1: Clay Bennett … relocation committee … who is their PR department?
Unfortunately I think you hit this one on the head.
But if you see it, and I see it, I am pretty sure the other NBA owners see through it as well. We have some strong support on our side and it continues to grow making it more and more difficult for Stern to try and railroad this without some pretty convincing data.
I am not going to count out KG and company just yet. Lets face it, the Anaheim deal ain’t that great unless your strapped for cash.
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by nothingbutnet on Apr 15, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you so sure?
You make a ton of presuppositions and fully developed theories. And you seem to have all the answers, as if you are attending these meetings first hand, or are tapping into phone conversations, or work for CIA in the NBA Conspiracy Investigation Dept.
I am sorry to break this news to you, but you don’t know what is going to happen, anymore than I do. You don’t know how all of this is going to play out, just like the rest of us. And just as the participants themselves don’t. If your theories had merit, the Maloofs would not have been half as agitated as they appeared post-meeting.
I am all in favor of speculating, it makes for fun blogging and all, but the degree of certainty to which you claim insight is a little over the top.
Let me approach this from more of a constructive angle….Clay Bennett moved his team to OKC. And? The presupposition you are making is because he relocated a franchise, he will allow another to do it as well, regardless of the differing circumstances? I don’t connect those dots. What does he have to personally gain? An allegiance with the Maloofs? To what end? I know nothing about the man, but I will give him more credit than you. I will expect he will act with integrity and character, regardless of the past. His title and role in this situation obligates him as such. And his power is far from absolute. And I expect that he will view this potential move as it should be viewed, on its own merits without reference to his personal history with Sonics and city of Seattle.
Further why would Stern, who you portray has greedy and conniving, not wanted a billionaire to join his club, for a deep pocketed Burkle to replace the empty pocketed Maloofs?. Out of friendship to Samueli? If Stern is the asshole you claim him to be, how loyal will an asshole be towards his friends?!? I am raising these points not because I am asking for an answer, but to illustrate we don’t know yet how this will play out.
Does Stern have the ability to preclude Major KJ and the ICON group from slam dunk proposal on the feasibility of a new arena? Hell no!!! ICON is the best at what they do. Does Stern have the ability to preclude Mayor KJ from confirming the new revenue sources of $7,000,000 plus over the next two weeks with opportunity to uncover even more dollars? Hell no!!! The ball is in KJs court and I expect him to deliver.
Bottom line: All serious Kings fans are waiting on pins and needles to see how this will all play out. Until then, lets hope for the best. Not the worst.
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by bench_blob on Apr 15, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well said.
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Fuck you Landon Donovan, have fun losing in the World Cup asshole.
I hope to God you are right. It's up to KJ, Burke and the Taylor ICON group
Hey I just bring these points out because I don’t trust these guys and I hope the Sac contingent watches their backside. A couple of weeks ago I argued that the Maloofs had been on the relocation train for quite some time and were a pretty self centered bunch and I got lambasted for being a conspiracy theorist.
My family lives up in Seattle and they have about as much respect for Clay Bennett’s integrity as the Sac bunch does for the Maloofs integrity. Maybe it’s a writing style I have when throwing out an idea. My apologies if I sound like I know anything more than anybody else. The KJ play with Burkle certainly was something I never dreamed of.
I want our Kings to stay as much as anybody on this earth.
I just hope David Stern is as trustworthy and fair as you assume him to be. He could have deep sized this move long ago but he has obviously supported it to the bitter end. What positive can be done?
1. Get a commitment for every season ticket holder to renew and increase the number by 1,000.
2. Increase the financial support above 10 million in the next 2 weeks if possible
3. Get a financing plan together for a $350 million dollar arena that makes sense. Don’t assume that plan includes any financial commitment by the Maloofs whatsoever. Figure out the locatiion later. if Taylor / ICON knows the location great.
I have no clue whether this all would help but it wouldn’t hurt.
Finally make the Anaheim plan cloudy with Sb652 and the referendum for the loan in Anaheim on the ballot by May 2nd. Put the Anaheim contingent on the defensive.
by SacKingsfanforever on Apr 15, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said. Something positive happened yesterday. This may be the beginning of the tide turning in our favor.
Regardless of my personal feelings toward Stern, he has great power. Yesterday, the Maloofs weren’t feeling it. They didn’t come out of the meeting with their chests puffed, smirks on their faces, or a swagger. Mayor Johnson, on the other hand, came out of the meeting cautiously optimistic. It is hard to predict how this is going to play out in the next couple of weeks, but as you point out we cannot necessarily predict from past situations, how these players in the committee are going to align with the Maloofs or the Mayor going forward.
It is a new day.
by Slam_Dunk on Apr 16, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you are being premature as to you conclusion this is shaping up to be BS.
I share in much of your cynicism, but I would be careful in how you read the tea leaves at this juncture. Some of the players do give cause for concern, but yesterday clearly felt like a victory for Sacramento’s Mayor Johnson and a defeat for the Maloofs. Let’s ride that wave and see where that takes us. I watched the brief interview with David Stern commenting about KJ. His tone, tenor, and words all indicating that Johnson presented an articulate presentaion. That’s good. KJ talked and Stern listened to him while the Maloofs came away a bit shaken.
The numbers just don't add up...
There are five “large” market teams with possible threats of other teams to move into their areas (LAL, LAC, CHI, NYK, NJN, roughly one-sixth of the league.
And yet, there are two teams on the committee that are consistent move threats (IND, MIN), one who just moved and is in charge of the committee (OKC), and a couple of teams who are buddies with Joe and Gavin (UTA, SA), with no representation by the large market teams?
This is face-saving and schwanze-covering on the part of David Stern.
I appreciate the letter, and it is extremely well-written, but this committee as currently constituted is specifically designed to achieve a designated outcome. It will allow Joe and Gavin to do whatever the hell they want.
Our best bet is to send the letter above to all 30 owners, and to let them all know what’s what out here.
The BOG has already been surprised by us in the last two days. Let’s see what we can do in two weeks.
Those who walk on eggshells rarely leave footprints.
I thought Jerry Buss was on the committee?
What did I miss?
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Clay Bennett replaced him as the chair of the committee.
Unfortunately.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
I can see why they would want to replace Buss because of his bias,
but with Bennett?? REALLY?? My goodness . . .
CALIFORNIA ANGELS . . . ANAHEIM DUCKS . . . CALIFORNIA GOLDEN BEARS
Bennett is one of Buss's best friends.
So there’s that.
Also as someone said earlier, Buss is still one of, if not the most, powerful owner on that board, committee or no committee.
James made a great point to me the other day… if the NBA wants revenue sharing, losing that $500 million the Lakers would lose from Kings moving is a lot of money. The Kings, if they move, will not make the NBA $500 million, ever. In fact they still OWE the NBA money.
Buss is going to fight tooth and nail on this.
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Jerry Buss is the man.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
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Another question
Why is everybody so convinced that this committee’s main task is checking the Sacramento pitch and numbers? When I read TZ’s article at SBN, it says the following:
Stern said that the relocation committee headed by (…) Oklahoma City Thunder owner Clay Bennett (…) will further investigate Anaheim’s proposal to host the Kings at the Honda Center.
So the focus seems to be on an incomplete or unconvincing Anaheim pitch. That is an important nuance, I think.
But maybe I’ve missed other news on this?
Dunking Dutchman - betting that Omri will have at least 12 games with 85% TS% this season.
and e-mails sent
Dunking Dutchman - betting that Omri will have at least 12 games with 85% TS% this season.
Okay, I should have checked the fanshots
just saw Stern’s conference call quote. So they want to investigate both KJ’s plan, and the Anaheim proposal.
that means that they aren’t dismissing the former (yet), and haven’t embraced the latter (yet). That’s good. The addition of Bennet and the exclusion of Buss is too bad, but taking out Buss is understandable.
Here We Wait. Yet again.
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Timberwolves fan here.
I’ve spent my entire adult life being held hostage by sports teams and their extortions. I actually lived in OKC while the Sonics were being torn from Seattle, and I’m adamant against supporting that club until Bennett is gone.
I’m sending a letter.
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Apr 16, 2011 12:34 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Here's my alteration of the letter:
Dear Mr Taylor,
As a Minnesota Timberwolves fan, I’d like to urge you to ensure that the hundreds of thousands of Kings fans who live in the Sacramento area are a primary consideration in your consideration of a potential application for relocation by the Maloof family. We all know it’s difficult to make money in a smaller market. But as the Spurs and Jazz have shown through the years, with cooperation and smart management it can be done.
The NBA needs markets like Sacramento, and fans like the Kings have. They supported the Kings strongly through the lean years, and have two of the five longest sell-out streaks in NBA history. Only a sharp downturn in team performance combined with continued high ticket prices and the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression knocked Kings’ attendance off its permanent perch near the top of the league. Sacramento has supported the Kings through thick and thin, and I know all NBA owners can appreciate that loyalty. We’d like to see that loyalty reciprocated.
If the Maloofs are allowed to move to Los Angeles, the odds against small and middle markets will become even more stacked, and the L.A., New York and Chicago franchises will have even less reason to negotiate fair revenue sharing with the small and middle market teams, the bread and butter of our league. A vote for relocation to L.A. is a vote for league consolidation in the giant markets. That doesn’t serve the NBA’s coast-to-coast fan base, and it amplifies the very real financial challenges the league faces.
Sacramento Kings fans would love to be a part of the dialogue going forward. Please contact me if you have any questions about what the Kings mean to Sacramento.
Best wishes,
Jason Benesh, jason.benesh@gmail.com
"Of what use is a philosopher who does not hurt anybody's feelings?" -Diogenes of Sinope
by Cynical Jason on Apr 16, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Well done
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by kingsfan300 on Apr 16, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
after this extension period, NO MORE EXTENSIONS, Mr. STERN!
we’ll just have to call it a tie, and then Joe Maloof and KJ will play a game of H-O-R-S-E to decide the winner. oh, and dunking is allowed.
put me in, Coach
by LaBradford on Apr 16, 2011 1:26 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
KJ equals win if HORSE is played.
First shot: KJ windmill dunk. Joe dunks on bottom of net.
Second shot: KJ makes 30 foot 3. Joe airs it out of bounds.
Third shot: KJ makes free throw. Joe bricks the shot.
Fourth shot: KJ does another dunk off the backboard. Joe can’t even get it on the rim.
Fifth shot: KJ does a variety of dribble moves and dunks on Kobe. Joe lowers the hoop, but he can’t even jump over Kobe.
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Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
by DaT3rmin8r on Apr 16, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Clay Bennett
I never really followed the Sonics move to OKC but after watching Sonicsgate: Requiem for a Team, i have developed a great hatred towards this Clay Bennett douchebag. Hopefully the decision dosent come down to him because if it does, we all know how his fat ugly ass will vote.
After watching Sonicsgate
I don’t really care how good Bennett is to his current fans in Oklahoma. The way they left Seattle was just totally unacceptable. I hope Oklahoma never wins an NBA championship, because this team that we’re seeing right now could have been the Seattle Sonics reliving the days of the mid’90’s.
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I was wondering, is it a good or bad thing that the committee is filled with small market owners? Will they try to help the Malloofs just because they are both small market or not?
an interesting question
Do the small market owners want to preserve their right to move? Would they be wary of setting a precedent that makes such a move difficult?
Or, on the other hand, do they want to have the Maloofs bolting from their group to join the big guys? Would they rather have the Kings remain in the smaller market, to maintain voting power in the interest of securing more small-market friendly changes on the BOG?
What? No Dramatic Developments Today?
(is that good?)
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Great point about maintaining the small market coalition.
Somehow I think the Maloofs will vote for revenue sharing until they become a “have” rather than a “have not.” The real precedent this issue sets is market infringement and not the right to move. It is not like the NBA hasn’t shut down moves…the New Orleans situation being a case in point. But these controversial moves have probably not been drawn out this long. One factor is the Maloofs tried to sneak out of town so the opposition has had a late but strong mobilization.
I suspect the NBA doesn’t like to have “no” votes. There will either be a yes vote or the Maloofs will not file for relocation. The NBA wants an image of solidarity among owners and there is no need to make a 16 to 14 decision public.
by SacKingsfanforever on Apr 16, 2011 9:26 AM PDT reply actions
I almost put in the letter to the Heat owner
“if we had the team you did, we’d be selling out without question. How those south beach faithful doing?”
But then I thought that was too nice, so I just attached a picture of LeBron choking.
by LightningStrike5 on Apr 16, 2011 9:47 AM PDT reply actions
The crowd today was a sellout, but
it sounded like the Heat were losing by 40.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
Blazer fans on our side.
They’re sending letters to the committee also.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
by DaT3rmin8r on Apr 16, 2011 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
That's so awesome.
The Blazers fans have just been incredible.
If any of you guys see this, thank you so much.
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by PurpleLoco on Apr 16, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It's so great to see fans from across the country voice their support for us
That is so incredibly valuable as it shows the league that they wouldn’t just be hurting the fans in Sac, but NBA fans across the country. I’d like to send out a huge thank you to everyone out there fighting for the SACRAMENTO Kings! THANK YOU!
If the Kings leave, We all lose
by prowseinthehouse on Apr 16, 2011 11:18 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Im a knick fan
sending the letter anyway
I Miss Mozgov
by michael28102 on Apr 17, 2011 11:31 AM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Just sent mine - thanks for the template TZ
Burklemaniac
by otis29 on Apr 18, 2011 9:22 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Buss replaced?
Was Buss ever actually on the committee? Other than here, I don’t think it was ever reported that he was on the committee.
by Gas. Brake. Dip. on Apr 20, 2011 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
Posted by Larry David 12-14-2009 on another fan site. If you want to include more information on the Maloof financial woes this is a good place to start.
Maloof Money
By all accounts, the Monarch weren’t making the Maloofs money but the team wasn’t losing much either. In November, the Maloofs abruptly folded the Monarchs claming they needed more time to focus on the Kings. A few weeks later, the Maloofs decided to sell their family beer distributorship – which was a reliable profit center for decades. Once again, the family insisted the move was solely about focusing their energy on Sacramento and Las Vegas. Looking at the facts below, while the Maloofs overall wealth remains substantial, it appears they might be experiencing cash flow issues. This shouldn’t come as a huge surprise as both the Kings and Palms require huge operating costs and rely on discretionary income during an economic crisis.
In 2002, the Maloofs opened up their books to the Sacramento Bee. (Footnote (FN) 1.) The family’s assets were estimated at approximately one billion dollars with four main components: the Kings, the Palms, the New Mexico Beer Distributorship, and Wells Fargo stock. (FN1.) Seven years later, the values of the Palms and stock have fallen sharply. Some fans focus on the Kings losses, but those figures are merely a fraction of the losses the Maloofs have suffered recently.
Now, the family is selling the business that was both the cornerstone and backbone of their empire for many years. Therefore, it appears that sale – and to a much lesser degree the closing of the Monarchs – have more to do with freeing up cash than prioritizing their businesses.
A. Background
The family has been in the beer business forever. Based upon the need to move beer from Colorado to New Mexico, the family also operated a successful trucking business. George Maloof bought the Rockets in 1979. After his death, the family sold the team in 1982. (FN1) In 1994, the family built the Fiesta Casino in Las Vegas for $30 million dollars. After successfully managing the small casino, they sold it for $170 million in 2000. (Id.)
B. Wells Fargo & Co. Stock
1976, the Maloofs paid $10 million for a 77 percent stake in First National Bank in Albuquerque. (FN1.) In 1994, the bank merged with Salt Lake City-based First Security Corp. in a $200 million stock swap. In 2000, Wells Fargo & Co. acquires First Security in a stock swap, with the Maloofs receiving nearly 4.87 million shares of Wells Fargo stock. (Id.)
In 2002, when the price was trading at almost $50 a share, their Wells Fargo stock was worth $248 million. (Id.) Friday, the stock was trading just above $25. However, that price is up significantly from its low of $7.80 in March 2009.
C. Beer Distributorship
As a preliminary matter, beer distributorships are profitable, extremely hard to get, and almost recession proof. You get the exclusive right to sell a product with a decent margin.
The family the family obtained a Coors distributor ship in 1937, with the exclusive right to supply the state of New Mexico. In 2002, the company was valued at 45 million dollars. (FN1.) The next year, the company expanded. In 2003, the Maloofs bought the third largest distributorship in the state and merged the companies. At which point, the supplied 42 percent of the states’ beer, with exclusive rights to all Coors, Miller, Corona, and Heineken sales as well as 40 other products. (FN2.)
Since the expansion, the business has remained profitable. In May 2009, George Maloof, Jr. described 2008 as a "huge successes" for the distributorship. (FN3.) Michael Bellas, chief executive of the New York consulting firm Beverage Marketing Corp recently estimated the annual revenue is "likely well more than $100 million." (FN4.)
D. Palms
The Palms opened in 2001. In 2005, the Maloofs opened the "fantasy tower" at a cost of approximately $600 million. In 2008, the Maloofs opened a third tower called Palms Place, which includes a hotel, spa, and 600 condo units.
Station Casino Inc. owns 6.7 of the Palms. Station is currently in Chapter 11 bankruptcy. The Maloofs aren’t providing any specifics about the value of their casino, but Station’s filings with the SEC indicate the value of the Palms continues to fall sharply. (FN3.) In March of 2009, Station filed papers with the SEC that claimed their share of the Palms fell from 25.9 million in January 2008 to 3.3 million. (Id.)
Station’s filings also address the overall value of the Palms. It was reported that in early 2008, the casino had a value of $386 million. In March 2009, Station reported the value was only $50 million and cash flow had fallen 19% from the previous year. (Id.) On September 30, 2009, Station indicated the value of the Palms was $20 million. (FN4.)
Here are a couple of things to consider. Because they are in a bankruptcy proceeding, Station has an incentive to emphasize liabilities and minimize assets whenever possible. At the same time, perjury – particularly to the SEC – has significant consequences and a $366 million loss isn’t exactly "fudging" a number on a balance sheet. Moreover, no one disputes that most Las Vegas casinos are in serious economic trouble. MGM Mirage, which owns 10 casinos, the most on the Strip, posted a $750.4 million net loss. And Harrah’s Entertainment Inc., which owns eight casinos in Las Vegas, had more than a $1 billion net loss. (FN5.)
While the Palms remains world renowned and a popular tourist destination, like the Fiesta, it is located off the Strip in order to attract to local customers. Because Las Vegas is among the cities hit the hardest by the collapse of the United States housing market that money has dried up significantly.
Because reports indicate a combined $900 million was spent on the Palms this decade, it is hard to comprehend the value could be only $20 million. However, the fact accountants can even make that claim, under the threat of SEC fines and jail time, is staggering. We know that Station is reporting their share of the Palms has fallen 87% over the last two years. (FN3.) If you apply that figure to 900 million, the value of the Palms would be 108 million. While that’s significantly higher than 20, it would still reflect a three quarter of a billion dollar loss. When you consider at least some of the $600 million investment was borrowed, it’s entirely possible the Palms is worth only $20 million.
Other than vaguely claiming the casino is "holding its own" the Maloofs aren’t talking about the status of the new family flagship. Kings fans pouring over the Forbes franchise values, but these are the numbers that are truly frightening for the Maloof family.
E. Kings
In 2008, it was reported that the Kings were on track to lose between $25 and $28 million dollars last season. After making several trades in early 2009, the team trimmed the loss to $2.8 million but the overall value of the franchise fell 13%. (FN6.)The Maloofs still have lot of equity in the Kings – which is where a significant portion of the profits in professions sports are derived.
In the off season, the team trimmed overhead significantly, with employees and pre and post game shows falling by the wayside. With the salary of Kings’ players exceeding $55 million, everyone recognizes that running an NBA team requires massive operating costs. But many fans fail to recognize the overhead associated with day-to-day operations like the Kings telecasts. Unlike some other teams, Comcast doesn’t pay team for the right to broadcast games. Instead, the Kings buy airtime from Comcast, produce the telecasts, and sell ads during the broadcast. Therefore, like ticket sales, the Kings television revenue is based upon a model where the Kings spend large sums of money before the season and try to make it back during the season based upon fan support. The structure of the deal causes one to question the amount of revenue derived from the numerous ads for concerts and events at ARCO Arena.
However, it is unclear whether the overhead that was trimmed last summer will be enough to avoid further losses this season. While the Kings continue to report crowds above 10,000 fans, paid attendance has fallen to 7,606 fans a game, down 21.1 percent from this time last year. (FN 7.)
Finally, it should be noted that some of the team’s best years and their recent failures at the box office were caused by the same event – the fracturing of the season ticket base. In the 90s, most of the season tickets were held by either one person or a pair of partners that had owned the tickets for many years. In 2002, the Kings captured the hearts and minds of Sacramento during a time when the housing market and interest rates led many to believe they were wealthy and massive debt was not a problem. Ticket prices rose sharply. Many fans compensated by taking on additional partners and selling tickets on a thriving secondary market. But when the demand fell off, those options were no longer available and many long time customers reluctantly left the season ticket rolls along with the bandwagon fans. Consequently, the season ticket base is now at an all time low. The Maloofs could not have collected huge ticket revenues earlier this decade without fracturing the season ticket base, but for the first time ever the franchise relies primarily upon walk up tickets to fill most of the arena. Which leads to things like 10,000 people showing up to watch the Pacers.
F. Conclusion.
When you step back, an overall picture starts to emerge. For many years, the Maloofs were family that built its fortune on key local businesses – the beer distributorship, banking, a small local hotel and stores in New Mexico. When the sale of distributorship is completed, all of those businesses will be gone.
In 1994, the Maloofs parlayed their banking success into the Fiesta, which was also a smashing success. In 2000, the Well Fargo transaction dwarfs all prior achievements. Around that time, the Maloof family lays out a ton of money to become the primary share holder in two businesses with large operating costs. (They spent 247 million on the Kings; the Palms cost 265 million to open as was expanded to the tune of 600 million.)
Right now it looks like it could have been too much at the wrong time. You can justify both moves. After running the small Fiesta, the family wanted to try their hand with a large casino. The Maloofs also wanted to get back into professional sports and there was at least some reason to believe the Kings could become profitable. Although the Kings were chronically mismanaged prior the Maloofs talking over, the team generally didn’t have problems selling tickets – even during down years. When the team became wildly successful during the Maloofs tenure, the history of the NBA (although not California) suggested the public might finance most of a new arena –which would provide the franchise with both new revenues and a drawing card for several seasons. Then, Webber’s knee popped, the city didn’t make a deal, and the voters said no.
At the same time, Wells Fargo went into the tank and Las Vegas started to experience its leanest years. Soon, the Maloofs will have most of their assets invested in two businesses with uncertain futures. Both rely upon discretionary income during a period of time when the country is in an economic crisis. Based upon the facts above, it appears the assumptions of some fans that the Kings are awash in red ink are overstated, or at the very least premature. But at the same time, the condition of the Palms and the overall holding of the Maloofs are underreported.
The Maloofs have claimed the sale of the distributorship is about "prioritizing their businesses" and "a good deal" but they don’t spend much time in the 47th state and by all accounts the distributorship was the most consistent business over the years and recently the most profitable. Therefore, it appears the former backbone of the family’s fortune will be liquidated to provide operating capital for the other businesses – particularly the Palms.
1. (Bee story. April 14, 2002; Bee: Maloofs losing money now but they’re investing for the long haul; http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-16321.html)
2. http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2003/07/14/daily8.html
3. http://www.sacbee.com/business/story/1883492.html
4. http://www.sacbee.com/topstories/story/2378296.html
5. http://www.thesunnews.com/business/story/1199248.html
6. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/32/basketball-values-09_Sacramento-Kings_327146.html
7. http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/18850386?source=rss_blogs_NBA
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by MustangMBS on Apr 20, 2011 1:43 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Not sure if a lot of this is accurrate, though he did a lot of work
Therefore, like ticket sales, the Kings television revenue is based upon a model where the Kings spend large sums of money before the season and try to make it back during the season based upon fan support. The structure of the deal causes one to question the amount of revenue derived from the numerous ads for concerts and events at ARCO Arena.
However, it is unclear whether the overhead that was trimmed last summer will be enough to avoid further losses this season. While the Kings continue to report crowds above 10,000 fans, paid attendance has fallen to 7,606 fans a game, down 21.1 percent from this time last year. (FN 7.)
The TV deal seems to not be accurate, as recent reports put it as $11 mil plus the rights to sell commercial time in-game. As for paid attendance, I don’t believe that either and would love to see where he got those numbers. I also believe they paid considerably less than that for the Kings, $160 mil I believe?
"But screw your courage to the sticking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Apr 20, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
$156 million, looked it up
"But screw your courage to the sticking place - and we'll not fail"
Macbeth Act I, Sc VII
by lietothegirls on Apr 20, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
And it was back in 2009 and there is new info
I have heard that the refinancing of the Palms has failed. I am sure there is much more…
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I agree that this is probably not too accurate.
He mentions the Wells Fargo stock and the value of the stock at different times, but not the fact that the stock has split several times and is actually worth more today than when the Maloofs received it.
However, a common theme emerges (one that is not too hard to decipher), which is the Maloofs have seriously mismanaged their assets and the Kings team. If Burkle was our owner, I think things would be much better.
Look how long it took the Maloofs to fire their former business associate before bringing in the Greek lady, who has made quite a difference. Not to mention that the Kings have seriously under-tapped the Sacto corporate revenue stream. KJ “found” $7M in a week and then went and got another Mil from Thunder Valley!?!
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by PhutureKings on Apr 21, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Mustang
I think the Wells Fargo info is a little wrong. It caught my eye because I have owned WF stock for several years. The 2002 stock price was about $26.00/share. Today’s is about $29.00/share. There was a 2 for 1 stock split in 2006. That doubled Maloofs holdings. Also dividends averaged about .25 cents/share/year. Assuming they still have their original holdings plus stock split plus dividends they would have more than doubled their stock worth. If my math is correct it should be in the neighborhood of 282 million.
I was wrong on the 2002 price
The info I looked up already figured in the stock split price for 2006 so you were right with the $50+/share price in 2002. So they did not double their investment but they are still up several million over the years.
Emails sent!
Definitely a great relocation committee for Sacramento. Gotta think the small market owners will be on our side.
by CoolFinity on Apr 20, 2011 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Done and
Done… emails sent. I offered to mow all their lawns.
by ivAAron on Apr 20, 2011 2:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Just sent my emails out.
Didn’t use the form letter, because I figured they were sick of reading the same thing over and over again. Just worked a few of the same points into my own personal story about what the team means to me.
by jveezy on Apr 20, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
For Grant baby only!
GRANT (1140) was little over top confused on wed. Sport show-The Bros. were raised understanding how big boys play hardball-tipping points-when to kiss $ makeup.
They are getting the drift that NBA’s BEST Fan-NOR CAL. Business Owner’s-Mayor(s) are all in a war right now Mr. GN! NBA is only PRO Sport game for 2 hours west-8 hours’ east-9 hours north and 7.2 hours to south. What if bros. become third NBA team in 45 minutes-second-third choice on schedule-slap-in your own dome? I am from the OC-I guarantee fan base are Lakers for life. FACT: I would be in fear wearing another color in east LA. I can go on and on regarding other Sport teams-D Land in close proximity to the duck-pond building etc.
The huge build up of business(s) just around Arco past few years is at stake-it is a guarantee X will BK…..This is about many job’s lost-business BK’s-Grant-folks who in past years may perhaps cared less…care right now over fellow Nor Cal folks tipping over-going under from such a mammoth loss. You were right about past King’s staff marketing folks should not have been mentioned in poor light in paper. The rest was far left of mars…

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