Who Is Running The Sacramento Kings?
by Tom Ziller on Apr 25, 2011 10:58 AM PDT
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PrintRyan Yamamoto of News10 reports that on Tuesday, the NBA will meet with the major sponsors behind Kevin Johnson's $10 million in new sponsorship money and formally ask for deposits. These businesses -- Thunder Valley Casino and Western Health, among them -- have said, "We're willing to advertise with the Kings to keep them in Sacramento." The NBA is saying, "OK, ante up."
That's understandable and a bit terrifying, but well within the NBA's rights as they consider whether to, in its authority, keep the Kings in Sacramento for next season.
Well, it'd be well within the NBA's right if the NBA ran the Sacramento Kings. Which begs the question: is the NBA running the Sacramento Kings?
Note the continued absence of the Maloof family in all of this. These sponsorships were pledged to the Sacramento Kings, owned and operated by the Maloofs, a member of the NBA. These businesses pledged this money because KJ told them that otherwise, the Kings would be gone. The NBA has the power to tell the Maloofs they must keep the Kings here in Sacramento, and to wield that power wants to ensure that KJ isn't selling wolf tickets. Again: it's a reasonable quest.
But collecting local sponsor money is usually a task left for the team. In fact, I cannot think of any instance in which the NBA would collect local sponsor money for a team that doesn't deal with an NBA takeover of a team (hello, New Orleans) and a situation where the local owners have become so poisonous that the NBA would rather take the time and bear the expense to basically do the owners' job for them.
Think about that. It ain't free to have Harvey Benjamin and the NBA's other staff out in Sacramento for a third day. The league kinda has big things going on now, what with the playoffs, a pending labor situation and all. But the NBA, to its credit, is devoting real resources to do the Maloofs' job this week. That's no small matter. It's, in fact, quite a large matter!
It tells me the NBA knows full well how much the city, community and fans of Sacramento distrusts and, frankly, dislikes the Maloofs right now. It tells me the NBA knows that if Sacramento The Market is fixed, the community's relationship with the Maloofs will be a whole 'nother matter to deal with. It tells me that the league understands that to make this work for the long-term, it may not be in the best interest of the NBA to have the Maloofs running the Sacramento franchise at all.
I'm not sure that's a perfectly fair leap; maybe the NBA will relinquish control as soon as the relocation application deadline passes. But at the absolutely least, the NBA is again cognizant -- just as they were in the aftermath of Q&R in 2006 -- of how toxic the Maloofs have made themselves in Sacramento. For those of us concerned about the Maloofs' loyalty to Sacramento, that's a good thing.
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Funny, I had the same question pass through my mind
There’s enough of an “NBA officialness” to the process that’s occurring, that (in conjunction with the Maloofs pleadings of ignorance) make you wonder what the heck’s actually going on between the NBA and the Maloofs.
Burklemaniac
I think it's still possible
that the NBA is making sure the money is real and KJ and the Chamber have concocted less than solid revenue deals. That “could” make sense.
But if things don’t revert quickly back to the Maloofs once this is done, I’ll have some pretty major questions. If the Maloof’s aren’t working hand in hand with the NBA, but waiting in the background, they must be starting to get very nervous about now.
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by SavageBeast on Apr 25, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Could be the league is unsure about the Maloofs mood right now
and doesn’t trust them to not go in there angry and screw it up. They are in a timeout right now.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
I actually don't see any way the Maloofs would jump into collecting the money here until they actually make a decision
If they start acting like they are on the fence, I think that would kind of sour their relationship with Anaheim and Samueli at this point. Now if they actually stopped and realized it’s over and had some closure down there with those parties then yeah I could see it but clearly they have not done that yet and the NBA is going to sit around and wait.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
derp
the NBA is not going to sit around and wait
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
True but conversely
I don’t see the league doing this unless they aren’t going to let the relocate. Once this is done successfully relocation is off the table
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
It just says the NBA is asking for deposits. It could be they are asking for the deposits in order to ensure the corporate sponsors won't flake.
The actual money could still be turned over to the Maloofs, not held by the NBA.
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by PhutureKings on Apr 25, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
That was my point. It could just be doing a reality check to make sure the offers are legit.
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Who is Running the Sacramento Kings??
cowboyron!
by HeuristicLineup on Apr 25, 2011 11:09 AM PDT reply actions
It's actually
the 96th version of cowboyron. Your argument is invalid.
Maybe you had “to much duds.”
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Fuck you Landon Donovan, have fun losing in the World Cup asshole.
u spell it wronged
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
"We're talking about Kwame Brown, who cares?" - Stephen A. Smith
Fuck you Landon Donovan, have fun losing in the World Cup asshole.
Yep
It’s westfall
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
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by 27freethrows on Apr 25, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
You actually did a perfect cowboyron impression
You tried to mock someone and messed up – that is how he rolls
nice job. ;)
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
I'll take CowboyRon over the Maloofs. If the Maloofs don't like it, well, they'll just have to...
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by Juan Primo on Apr 25, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
The best part
is Sunglasses on Sunglasses.
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lol
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 25, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing."
-Jerry Reynolds
by Juan Primo on Apr 25, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't know cowboyron paints his fingernails.
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
"We're talking about Kwame Brown, who cares?" - Stephen A. Smith
Fuck you Landon Donovan, have fun losing in the World Cup asshole.
no
homie don’t play that!
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Apr 25, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Hahaha!!!!
Ayt ayt
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
"We're talking about Kwame Brown, who cares?" - Stephen A. Smith
Fuck you Landon Donovan, have fun losing in the World Cup asshole.
great caption
wow a good looking kings fan.
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on Apr 25, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 17 recs
That's a rec, ron
Way to take the joke. Like a true cowboy!
Pack a lunch!!!
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by Aykis16 on Apr 25, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cowboy
You may be crazy but your one hell of a sport!
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Apr 25, 2011 5:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
If Peaches were in on the joke like you are
We’d love the shit out of him.
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Hope Maloofs are running the team much longer
I was talking to a bunch of family members (most of them aren’t basketball fans) this weekend and I posed the following question: Would you vote for a new arena to keep the Sacramento Kings in town. Of the seven I asked, 5 said they will vote no on a new arena. ALL of those that said they’d vote “NO” specifically stated that they won’t pay for a new arena for the Maloofs. I gotta tell you guys that I’m really worried about the toxicity of the Maloofs. These guys are so radioactive with some of these voters that I really wonder if we can get a new arena built if they’re the owners of the Kings. I know the majority of Kings fans will vote for the arena despite the Maloofs, but I’m really wondering about the voters who do not follow the Kings. Your thoughts?
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by Juan Primo on Apr 25, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 23 recs
Nice, snarky - but tnice
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Fun
"Contraction, I didn't say anything about contraction. I'm talking about shrinking the league." - Lebron James
"We're talking about Kwame Brown, who cares?" - Stephen A. Smith
Fuck you Landon Donovan, have fun losing in the World Cup asshole.
The correct question...
Is “would you vote to pay a portion of the cost for a facility that can host concerts, ice shows, motocross and monster truck events, that bring visitors (and their money) into Sacramento? Additionally, said facility would employ approximately 1000 full and part time members of the local community.”
I bet you’d get a different answer, maybe not 100% yes, but a much higher percentage.
We need to NOT let this discussion turn into building a new building for the Maloofs, and make sure the discussion is how badly Sacramento needs a facility that can host these other events. The Kings having a home is a bonus (for those who don’t like the Kings/Maloofs/Pro Sports/whatever)
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by rpmonkey on Apr 25, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
not willing to go down that road but understand where you are coming from
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Why not willing to go down that road?
It’s the truth.
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At least about the building being a SEC anyway.
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I say that because it's argueing the two extremes
I personally think it’s still a good idea to actually discuss the percentages as well, as in who is paying how much here and there and who is receiving this or that amount is all.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Fair enough.
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I don't argue that the Kings shouldn't be part of the conversation on a new arena
Just that asking “would you vote to pay more taxes to build an arena for the Kings” is a loaded question. Immediately anybody who isn’t a Kings fan is going to be leaning toward answering “no” and it is harder to sway them to “yes.”
If you change the tone of the conversation, which KJ is trying to do with his “we’re building it whether the Kings are here or not” talk, your chances of success go up.
If you’re going to take it to a vote, the main focus needs to be on how Sacramento needs this facility if we want world-class entertainment to be available here. Focus on the things other than the Kings that the community will miss if we don’t build a new ESC.
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I would agree
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
but
"would you vote to pay more taxes to build an arena for the Kings"
It’s going to take real effort by political leaders standing arm in arm to avoid the question being completely framed as exactly that. Even with great effort, many will see it that way no matter what.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
which is exactly why I hope they can find creative financing that doesn’t have to go to a public vote. I don’t trust the voters of Sacramento to vote what’s in their best interests, most people don’t have any desire to be informed on what they’re voting on, they go off of knee-jerk reactions of “taxes are bad” or “he’s got an R after his name” and “he’s got a D after his name” and those are really as far as they get themselves educated.
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Well
Maybe if they knew this arena wasn’t for the maloofs, and instead was actually for the city of Sacramento, maybe they would vote differently. People don’t know the facts and think this is just for the Maloofs. Did you remind them of the fact that the Maloofs have given millions of dollars to the community, charities etc. I don’t get it. Fact of the matter is there are many people who just don’t do anything, they don’t go to concerts, shows etc. These are the people who are going to make it tough to get a new arena.
Im not sure trumpeting the maloofs' alleged community involvement
Is the road to success with the voters.
“didn’t you hear, david stern forced the maloofs to sell last month and they are promoting mike lohan at the albuquerque county fair nowadays” sounds good though
by lchristmas on Apr 25, 2011 2:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You are guaranteed right about that
In my opinion Kj and theCouncil already have a plan to circumvent a vote
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
if thats not the case
all this will have been for naught.
huh? wha?
by effin steve on Apr 25, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I am getting the sense it's all a bit more on the fly (that is unless there are some serious negotiations about selling the team we have zero clue about)
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
True again
but everything I speculate about is based on zero clue
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
they need to have open dialogue with the Maloofs before they can knock any plan out of the equation
because they need to know what revenue streams are in play. we know the likely players just not exactly what they are going to do
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe i have too much faith in Icon
but if they have cooperation on all necessary fronts (huge if, massive if, Honda Center sized if but if they do) they will find away to circumvent a vote.
huh? wha?
by effin steve on Apr 25, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Taylor/ICON has instructions to that effect I'm sure.
‘How is it feasable to finance without a public referendum?’
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
People do realize by the way
That Taylor/ICON are doing a feasibility study right, not an actual funding plan? I hope this doesn’t surprise people in a few weeks from now because … well, it’s pretty painfully obvious.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't think the feasability plan is largely about how to finance?
I don’t know what else they could be woring on. Blueprints? I don’t think so. Cost and cost per various locations must be the main thrust of the whole effort.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Cost and cost per various locations must be the main thrust of the whole effort.
You do realize that is not a funding plan right?
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I don't
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Why else would they want the Maloofs' financial info
how much they would commit, etc…
I think the study is all about projected costs and potential financing mechanisms.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
What other part is the 'feasible' part?
We know Icon can build the damn thing.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
We don't what they can build and for how much yet
that’s just the bill and what we are getting, it doesn’t address the funding
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
We've had plently of plans were we got the bill
we haven’t had any where we closed the budget gap between city money and city property donated to the project and what the Maloofs are willing to poney up.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
KJ has told us numerour times that when the T/Icon study
is presented he (KJ) will know the gap between cost and the funding that can be provided by private and other (Federal) monies. Sounds close enough to me to call it as funding plan.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
The why so mad about the Maloofs not providing their financial info?
What would that have to do with the costs of building it?
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
well
For starters, I am not sure if it’s a giant assumption at this point or not whether that is all that was missing.
If it is in fact true that this is all that was missing (just the financial stuff) then I think the city was playing some serious hardball in relation to the loan issues with the city and actually basically trying to get the NBA to put pressure on the Maloofs as not being viable owners.
I’ll be honest, I am a little surprised no local reporters have asked this question. Maybe they did and I didn’t see it but it’s one of the first things I would have asked KJ. “In regards to the documents Taylor/ICON requested from the Kings in Maloofs, it has been widely reported that they have not given Taylor/ICON the requested financial documents. If they are just doing a feasability study, why do they need the financial documents. Are their financial documents the only documents missing from those you requested? Why would you need their financial documents in order to do a feasability study?”
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
By the way, Ham addressed this awhile back as well
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think some of you should check out a few of these links, and research a few of the synergies that have been going on for months. I really dont think this is all being put together "on the fly"
hate to break it to you
but $160 million is not going to cut it. (furthermore, I got zero clue what all paid for what in that $160 million in Denver)
Not saying the city is going about it in a stupid way when I say on the fly, I mean there are a lot of moving pieces and I doubt they have figured it all out yet or taken much off the table.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If the $160MM is all your pulling from this
Then you’re certainly not reading through any of these links and doing any research
He's just being obstinate today
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Cuz the day ends in a Y today
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
well I couldn't open up the last one
but yeah unless you think that fed money will be used on the stadium, I dunno what to tell you. There is still a sizeable gap. I get that it will help with infrascture but it’s big gap still.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
by the way
the fed money is obviously a big big reason why the city wants to go into the railyards. Not saying that is just by chance or anything like that.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's completely correct
they think that they can hide some of the costs in the Intermodel Transportation Center.
They’re probably right.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely
And there’s more. I’ll try and Fanpost or Fanshot some of what I pulled at some point this week if work lets up a bit.
But needless to say, no matter what the mayor says, my thinking is that ICON was chosen bc the Railyards is the targeted location.
There has been a lot made of a regional effort, and a transportation hub like what’s outlined connects the entire region.
Also, ICON did the same exact thing in Denver. They even paid for a lot of the costs of the arena themselves and sold it at a profit once complete.
The railyards absolutely is the target location and clearly why they were picked
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
by the way, you got an email address you don't mind throwing up here?
or just email me at wallywagon11@yahoo.com so I can respond to you. Later tonight I’ll check for a pretty cool website that was shut down awhile back but maybe back up and running. Had some good stuff about the Denver arena.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I say again
Mr. Romani’s presentation made clear that while a final analysis would not be complete until May, the work to date is very promising in terms of developing a facility through public-private partnership that would protect taxpayers, generate significant new revenues for the team, and catalyze job and economic activity for the City.
I don’t know why you think the study isn’t about potential financing. What the hell else would it be about?
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Financing
At least some of the financing proprosal is being considered by a different source. But that does not mean ICON is not engaged in that discussion as well.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
From the Biz Journal
The ICON-David Taylor development team Tuesday won over Sacramento city leaders and will spend the next three months figuring out how to pay for a new sports and entertainment complex — regardless of where a new arena could be built or who would develop it.
It seems clear to me the study is almost Completely about how it would be paid for.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That seems to settle it
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
and I stand corrected
This article though may be a bit more relevant
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same article man
but I should have linked it.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Ug, after reading it meant to click "find" and plug in "development team tuesday" but had no spaces between the words.
fail
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It did make me think
of that huge difference between the old $500 million dollar number from the team the Maloofs picked previously and the $300 mil that ICON says they have built venues for, were the Maloofs going to get a kick-back?
Groundless speculation of course, but the numbers seem so different.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Some of the plans were pretty crazy actually
I also think though the Maloofs wanted the type of arena the Magic got
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That one was $380 mil
but they had to build in an already developed area which I think would add to the cost, like the Capital Mall proposal.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Two things
1) If it’s already developed, then that takes away infrastructure costs like pipes, electricity etc. to bring to the facility. 2) It was also built in Florida which is probably a little less expensive than California is for construction purposes. I don’t think that’s a 120 million jump, but those are definitely things to consider when coming to the cost number.
No doubt there are
both pluses and minuses. My guess (though I don’t know) is that the difficulty of staging construction right in among other buildings is the more expensive.
As we said before,we also think/hope that Fed infrastructure money for the INtermodel Tranit Center will help a lot with the utlities and roads.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
lttg
What do you think the chances are that Inland might still be in play to front some money to get things started on the arena? The benefit to them, in real dollars, is clear as day, and I would think they’d have the will and the ability to invest rather heavily in the project to keep from the cornerstone of the railyards to end up being a Bass Fishing Superstore. What are the ways that Inland could contribute? Bonds? I don’t really know how any of that investment stuff works.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 25, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Difference between $500 million and $300 million
A lot of the infrastructure will/is already financed due to the railyard redevelopment
That is actually going to be a big difference between the 2006 and current estimates
but there is also the fact that China stopped buying all the steal on the planet.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
In any case
Financing possibilities is what we are supposed to find out in 3 weeks.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
I believe the feasibility will highlight potential revenue streams that a new building would generate and how much it would cost to build, NOT how to fund it.
They're going to have suggestions on how to fund it
That’s the whole point of the feasibility process.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching KJ's press conference on friday
He was trying to defer all financing questions and I thought he actually said that funding sources would be discovered and discussed after the study. I’d imagine that they already have some ideas, but he made it seem apparent that funding isn’t even in the discussion right now.
I was under the impression they were trying to figure out the costs of the whole project
but hey if they are going to help pay for it, good for them. I would love to see them back the bonds.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It was mentioned a about a week ago
An unknown group was trying to work with the IRS and Sec of State to see if a not-for-profit entity can be formed to build an arena through public purchase of shares. They want to have a plan finalized by May 2.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
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"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
This is the same questions I've had
Agree, besides the Hornets, what team has ever had this much involvement from the NBA front office handling its business dealings? When the NBA came in to assist on the arena discussion is was likely in earnest. Now it’s at this point where its looking like an indictment on the Maloofs as NBA caliber owners. They botched this relocation attempt so badly, in a league that usually rubber stamps these moves. I think the league no longer looks at our situation as solely a failure of the city, but increasingly a failure on the part of the Maloofs as well. For all the conspiracy thoughts that the NBA is against our market, no other city has been given this long of a look in terms of saving.
Warning: Speculation on my part
It seems like the league before was just willing to take the Maloofs’ word on everything and maybe didn’t have the proper perspective about what was going on here. I’m not saying the Maloofs lied or anything that malicious, but I think the only real perspective they had was what they heard from the Maloofs and they believed it for all these years out of trust.
KJ’s presentation at the BOG meeting must have seriously jarred something loose in their minds. Were we getting the whole story all along? What is it that the Maloofs haven’t told us? And after visiting Sacramento the thoughts are probably along the lines of: these fans are the same as they’ve ever been. Why can’t the Maloofs make it work here?
In just a few weeks, the NBA has gone from questioning us as fans to realizing how dumb it was to question us as fans to now wondering what the hell is wrong with the Maloofs.
by jveezy on Apr 25, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think a lot of us are right there with you
It’s probably not as clear cut as that, but we sure hope it is. In your last sentence I’d replace “fans” with “market” as a whole.
Good point, but I think I really do mean fans.
Thing is everyone knows the market’s “small”. What I mean is that the fan spirit helps make up for it. The impression I think a lot of them have is that we had loud fans that were loud during the good years and didn’t care during the bad years. I think that’s the assumption people naturally jump to when an owner wants to file for relocation.
We know it’s different because we know ourselves and we know our history. We know why our ticket sales are down. We know we have a history of packing Arco even when the team is bad as long as it’s financially reasonable. And I think we’ve done a great job of reminding those that forgot or informing those that never knew in the first place.
In a prefect world fans would be all that matters
But to the NBA fans only mean something when it comes to money they put into the leagues pockets. The great fan support in Seattle wasn’t enough to keep the team from moving. Our market as a whole (fans, businesses, politicians) stepped up to make a resounding case to give us one more year, in spite of a decade of failures (on a new arena). The two issues that had the other owners in doubt against us were:
1. the size of our local corporate base and its ability to contribute financially to an NBA franchise
2. most importantly our ability/will to get a new arena.
I get what you're saying now.
Fans + businesses + politicians
Right now we have all three. Seattle only had the first two and both were very strong but the third dropped the ball. For a while we only had the first one and a lot of people doubted whether that was still there.
We as fans have stepped up to the point where both businesses and politicians are taking notice. We’re making it worthwhile politically and financially for businesses and politicians to support the Kings. Momentum has reached the point where it’s almost a no-brainer from a PR perspective.
I get the sense that the commissioner's office has it's own frustrations here
but that the other owners are coming into this thing fresh
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a thought that has been percolating in the various threads
Is the NBA on the verge on taking over the franchise? They said publically that the Maloofs financial health was not discussed at the BoG meeting.
Perhaps that is because the NBA is all too aware of what the situation is already. Would they really not have has investigators looking into the health of the Maloofs after all the press about the Palms etc..?
Stern said Burkle wasn’t at the top on the list of priorities. It wouldn’t be a lie if the NBA was in fact about to seize control, and like New Orleans, stabilizing the franchise must of course come first, perhaps a year or more ahead of transferring ownership.
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It makes sense...
This is like pulling on the thread of a cheap sweater… shit continues to unravel. How many other teams are in deep crap? Stern might be trying to head off a minor collapse… just a hunch or gas, still not sure.
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I just don't understand how the League has the authority to collect this local money
It’s all just another sign that a real intervention is taking place, as TZ said, an unprecedented intervention.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
LTTG
Do you not understand why they have the authority from a legal point of view or just a “what the heck is going on” point of view?
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A legal point of view
It’s always been my understanding that only teams negotiate all their local contracts and sales. I don’t believe that the league would normally have the authority to negotiate on behalf of an individual franchise unless;
1. Stern has invoked his powers as commisioner, signaling a possible league takeover
or
2. the Maloofs have given him this power temporarily
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
#2 may be happening
The Maloofs may have asked the NBA to act as their agent, while the Maloofs still remain the principal?
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
You've got me
though as I said below, if the league is considering doing something as unprecedented as saying no to a relocation request, why not intervene in other ways? But I still don’t know where they have the legal authority.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure the commissioner's office could do it simply with their fiduciary relationship
It’s not like the Maloofs are going to object to the money. Granted they could very well sue (again, highly highly doubt it) the league under an antitrust suit for not letting them leave but that is besides this issue.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You bring up a good point
If the Maloof did ask the NBA to act as its agent, it would be very difficult to sue the NBA successfully then.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
Not really sure the Maloofs need to ask the league to guarantee them money. Would think the commissioner's office could do that whenever so long as the Maloofs don't express "You can't collect money for us."
Heck, technically the Maloofs could reject it if they want to anyway (doubt they’d give away free money).
All I was trying to say though is any lawsuit between the NBA and the Maloofs will not be about the money either way, just the relocation issue (I know they are tied together but not the same).
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The league can commit them to taking money when their obvious desire is to leave?
Nothing so simple going on. Once the league makes these sponsers commit it could form a contract, a guarantee that the team will in fact be here next year.
So I guess it can be taken as just another sign that the League has made their decision.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if the league is committing them to take the money
they are just asking for down payments.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I get what you are saying LTTG and I don't think the NBA would dare do it unless they made up their mind
It’s just that it’s kind of hard to envision the Maloofs deciding to turn down money when the decision has already been made. And if they don’t like the decision and want to sue, they would sue regardless of the free money being offered.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't miss the valid legal argument though
unless the terms of those deposits are clearly spelled out as conditional . . . .
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I have zero clue
Either way though, the commissioner’s office, acting as an agent of the Kings franchise is very likely able to do something such as give them more money. That does not exactly hinder their ability to operate their business. Perhaps preventing them from working elsewhere does but that’s separate.
By the way, people are kind of forgetting the NBA lottery presentation is coming up on May 17. The NBA wants this decision over and done with way in advance of that date.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Once the Maloofs accept the money - from whoever
it’s definately over.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
well yeah but either way the NBA can very well collect it, it's just a question of whether the Maloofs will put their arms down and take the cash.
Obviously if they sue the NBA, I would think the NBA would have zero problem giving back the deposits.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I have to think that Mayor Johnson, when told by the NBA about the request for deposits
in turn asked the NBA “And what exactly does this buy us?” I don’t think KJ would agree to start collecting from the business community unless he received some kind of assurances from the league that the deposits at least guarantee that the league will tell the Maloofs that any relocation filing this year will be roundly defeated and any lawsuits will be crushed. You know the guys that are handing over the huge checks will want to know what they’re buying. I’m pretty sure Mayor Johnson is savvy enough to get those answers before asking for the money.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 25, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
As Mark Heisler from the LA Times tweeted yesterday
when the NBA tells the Maloofs they have to stay in Sac (which I expect them to do this week), the Maloofs will have three choices…stay, sell, or sue. If they stay they have a lot of face saving, and butt kissing and B’S’ing to do to regain any credibility. If they sue, they will go broke. Their only choice may end up selling. Should be interesting.
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by carlsbadace on Apr 25, 2011 11:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Of course as unprecedented as this is
It’s also unprecedented that the NBA/ BoG would deny a relocation application.
Let’s also be clear, David Stern runs the NBA and all this is coming straight from him.
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Seems to me Stern/NBA feels they can do a better job then the boys
And this could very well be a move before a take over, can it not? The Kings are a franchise, so in that respect it can be taken away (purchased back at market value) and resold for a profit to someone like Burkel… or am I just being naive on this?
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No one is completely sure about Stern's powers.
Basketball doesn’t have an anti-trust excemption, so most think his powers aren’t as strong as Baseballs’.
On the other hand, he probably has as much power as the owners give him, they need to stay united in the face of the lock-out, and yet another team having to be taken over by the league is a ton of ammunition in the upcoming CBA negotiations.
Stern may be making the calculation that seizing the Kings is in the best long term interest of the league as a whole.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reply
And minus any snark… seems people are on edge today.
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
I know, we need to get our final damn answer already
Not that I have much doubt. Much.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Right now the Maloofs feel this small...
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
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by kwill on Apr 25, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Is KJ trying to "cush" the Maloof's heads?
Kids in the Hall anyone?
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Get to work Leroy.
That’s a photoshop goldmine for you.
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I just wonder if Stern is happy
that after the selling of the beverage distributorship, aside from a few entertainment ventures and being a major shareholder of Wells Fargo Bank, the Maloofs seem to be very economically tied to a casino & hotel.
Maybe Stern doesn’t care all that much about that but maybe now he is starting to see that there are other options regarding the Sacramento Kings and the Maloofs being tied to Vegas could add to the recently increasing number of issues that the league seems to have with the Maloofs.
From a 2008 ESPN article:
The NBA Board of Governors voted to allow the Palms Casino Resort in Las Vegas to accept bets on league games, even though the Maloof family owns both the casino and the Sacramento Kings…The Palms is allowed to take wagers on all NBA teams, except the Kings.
Harrah’s Entertainment Inc., whose chief executive, Gary Loveman, owns a 2.4 percent stake in the Boston Celtics. Harrah’s casinos accept wagers on all NBA games except those involving the Celtics.
2.4% is a different situation than owning a majority and being a face of an NBA franchise.
I just wonder if Stern is happy about that situation given the economic downturn and how its affected Las Vegas, the scandal involving Tim Donaghy, and the Maloofs actions in the relocation process.
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by CapitanMericanu on Apr 25, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions
Stern doesn't worry about the gambling
You can bet the NBA poured over the Maloof gambling issue years ago. If Stern is worrying about the casino he’s asking himself when it will be profitable again for the Maloofs to be viable NBA owners.
They didn't own the Palms (or any Casino)when they bought the Kings,
just the beer distributorship etc..
And All-Star weekend in Vegas was ll sorts of trouble, worse than got out to the media.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep,.
And they owned Wells Fargo Stock.
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They still have the stock right? 300 million?
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
Yeah. They still do.
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I wonder how that works now that Harrahs owns a portion of the Palms
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by prowseinthehouse on Apr 25, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Harrah's may own most of it now
No word since earlier in the year, one way or another… leaning heavily towards Maloofs losing control (bladders as well as the casino)
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by kromeace on Apr 25, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
All that good hard work - but spelled 'amok' wrong dude!
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it's an acceptable variation
never seen it written that way though
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
"Amuck" is an accepted variant.
I much prefer “amok,” though.
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by section214 on Apr 25, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 17 recs
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by DTG13 on Apr 25, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
MAYOR JOHNSON NEEDS TO START MENDING FENCES WITH THE MALOOFS ASAP JOE MALOOF SKYPED ME LAST WEEK FROM LA AND TOLD ME THEY HAVE ALWAYS WANTED TO BE IN SAC
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by lchristmas on Apr 25, 2011 3:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly! "Amok Time."
You nerd…
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
That's where I learned the word - most people probably.
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by lietothegirls on Apr 25, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That's certainly where I learned it.
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Is the NBA better off without the Maloofs running the Sacramento Kings?
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by CapitanMericanu on Apr 25, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
As an aside
Lil Jon is doing good on Celebrity Apprentice
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
These sorts of photos of the Maloofs remind me of a certain Mad Men quote...
Bert Cooper to Roger Sterling:
“He never took you seriously because you never take yourself seriously.”
Little wonder that an NBA/team official called these fiftysomething brothers “kids.” They need an image consultant, and they need one yesterday.
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Question-
Who actually runs the day to day operations of the Hornets? Did the NBA fill in spots for the franchise with there own people or did they leave the previous management in place?- minus the ownership. Second how does it effect them in free agent signings and trades- does the NBA pay all that? Just wondering if the league did take over the Kings were does that leave us when it comes to this offseason and signing players- could we go from lowest payroll to Highest? I know that example is extreme- but u know what I’m saying.
by Sincere P. on Apr 25, 2011 12:34 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Second how does it effect them in free agent signings and trades- does the NBA pay all that?
Yup, hence Mark Cuban not being happy about the Hornets trading for Landry on his own dime.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case I wouldn't think it would be so bad
Cus the salaries on that trade had to match up right- but when it comes to Chris Paul and if he leaves- the fans have no ownership to blame for that! It would fall directly on the NBA. If that happened I would question how hard they fought to try to keep him in a Hornets uniform. As a fan it would worry me.
by Sincere P. on Apr 25, 2011 12:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you Yahoo Sports for having our backs!
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I’m not sure that’s a perfectly fair leap; maybe the NBA will relinquish control as soon as the relocation application deadline passes. But at the absolutely least, the NBA is again cognizant — just as they were in the aftermath of Q&R in 2006 — of how toxic the Maloofs have made themselves in Sacramento. For those of us concerned about the Maloofs’ loyalty to Sacramento, that’s a good thing.
Yep TZ. Well said.
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One of the questions that has been asked is how could the Maloofs not get this support.
As in the corporate sponsorships. And I don’t know which is the better way for the Maloofs can spin it. One answer is that they have pissed people off and that those people don’t like the Maloofs. The other is that the Maloofs are just irresponsible rich brats who are running this franchise into the ground.
Either way you spin it, toxic or incapability, the Maloofs look pretty bad. Bad enough that the NBA had to step in to negotiate the deal with the City and KJ. Bad enough that the NBA is worried that the sponsors might not pay the Maloofs a dime after pulling all the crap with Anaheim.
I said this in another post. I think this is CYOB for the NBA. They need the assurance to be able to tell the Maloof they can’t move. Or else they could disallow the move and then the sponsors don’t give the Maloofs a dime. Leaving the NBA in an awkward spot.
But clearly there are more considerations. The Maloofs have dissed the community here and their credibility is shot to hell.
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by MustangMBS on Apr 25, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm just glad those were the two ways you spinned it
and would agree
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the problem the NBA has here is simple.
They don’t want another George Shinn issue cropping up. Shinn wouldn’t sell the Hornets and the NBA wasn’t comfortable at the time forcing him out to keep the franchise in Charlotte.
After Shinn ended up giving up in New Orleans and taking a hefty increase (even at just 300 million dollars—which is scary in of itself) and decided he wanted out in ownership, it cost the NBA something in the interim for the long term. The NBA isn’t stupid. They see the Maloof’s as ownership that can no longer handle the monetary aspect of running a NBA team.
Now, that doesn’t mean the Maloof’s will sell the franchise for a low price. They won’t. The NBA won’t encourage that. But once a price in the 375-400 million range is out there, the NBA will probably say something to the effect of “sell or else” to the Family.
They walked themselves into this situation, and that’s the irony of it all. There are many problems with the franchise in Sacramento long term that need to be resolved rather quickly, but one real solution sooner than later is more solvent ownership.
The Maloof’s have forgotten, well it seems to me anyway, that they think that NBA ownership doesn’t mean you have to have outside business success. NBA owners will always disagree with that, and if their business success hadn’t been quality up to that point, the NBA would never have allowed them as owners. They seem to forget that successful outside business is what allows you to be a NBA owner in the first place. They are desperate to prove that the NBA business can stand on it’s own as much as anything because it’s the only way they can own the team long term.
As much as anything, the NBA owners have to be pissed off at dealing with another downtrodden franchise at a time that seems like a pretty critical juncture for the entire overall league. Just dealing with the Maloof’s monetary issue’s alone has probably put the BoG in a pretty cross mood. If you were the BoG, could you blame them for feeling that way? I sure can’t.
As Grant Napear has said many times (not to mention many of us for that matter), this doesn’t change what has always been the key issue: Financing of a new arena. That falls into place, and the previous 6 paragraphs become less of an issue than a detail. That is the good news. The only bad news for the Maloof’s is that the NBA will almost assuredly force them out unless they are willing to be more engaged and financially part of an arena process.
Lots of decisions for the NBA BoG to make here, and because it cuts a lot of league wide issues at the core of the NBA’s long term sustainability, unlike the Seattle-OKC move, this was always going to get a lot of attention. The Maloof’s don’t even seem aware of that, and I"m sure that has pissed the BoG more than anything else with regards to their issue’s.
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by pookeyguru on Apr 25, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
There are many problems with the franchise in Sacramento long term that need to be resolved rather quickly, but one real solution sooner than later is more solvent ownership.
Technically speaking, this may be a problem for the franchise regardless of whether it stays here or not.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 25, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
But it would have been fixed by moving to Anaheim, by Samueli
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Ha.
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Really insightful Pookey
I agree with everything you just wrote. The Kings are, in many ways, the poster child for some of the NBAs dilemmas.
The NBA needs to make small market franchises viable and Sacramento has been a question mark on that issue. It has not been helped by the Maloofs either purposely sabotaging or being complete incompetents in running the team and getting any arena getting built.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Grant's annoying me so I rthought I would vent
He says all the companies putting up part of the 10 million dollars have a vested interest in the King’s staying . (Duh!) He then uses that point to explain why the Maloofs couldn’t get funds from them but KJ could. Says they will lose millions if the Kings leave but without the threat they wouldn’t contibute a dime. His attempts to 100% exonerate the Maloofs is nauseating.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
listen....listne.....enlist....
yvan eht nioj!!!
If the Kings leave, We all lose
by prowseinthehouse on Apr 25, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure what you were talking about
But i’m off to go join the Navy, be back in a few.
by Gilo424 on Apr 25, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
He's right to a point (I think I just threw up in my mouth a little)
A lot of businesses probably wouldn’t have offered their cash if they weren’t faced with the possibility of Sacramento losing the Kings.
m*****f***ing c***s***ing peanut butter and jelly!! f*** f*** f***!!!
Well, a lot of people won't pay their rent until their landlords come knocking.
It’s called being human in a modern society. You don’t have a lot of scratch most of the time, so you prioritize what you can spend on.
Advertising, believe it or not, is not a high priority in day-to-day business. It’s a high priority in quarter-to-quarter business, but when you’re struggling day-to-day, hard to see past next month, much less next quarter.
So for the businesses to commit to the cash (and hopefully pony up) is an indication of at least 2 good things:
1 – the Kings are a important enough priority and/or property at this time for them to spend good ad dollars in that direction that would otherwise not be spent or used in other avenues, and
2 – the economy is starting to stabilize that I can make a pledge to pay up at a future date without worry that me and my business are lying dead in the street this time next week.
This.
Burkle? Burkle!
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
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by PurpleLoco on Apr 25, 2011 7:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
That is beautiful!
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Apr 26, 2011 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh...and not meaning to be the asshole type that does this
but I heard some inside info that I give a 95.6% reliability to, that I cannot disclose.
But a couple of you have floated a theory of whats going down that is correct.
Sorry for being a lame ass.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
YESSSSSSSSSS
The Kings are a franchise, so in that respect it can be taken away (purchased back at market value) and resold for a profit to someone like Burkel…
Hard work beats talent when talent is hardly working...
So glad I read this massive ass thread this morning
that is if kromeace made a good guess.
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 26, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that's lame.
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by caseycheesecake on Apr 26, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Rereading this a day later its is even dumber to have written an I know something but I can't
tell you than I thought it was when I did it. I apologize. It serves no purpose. I can’t say anything until you know, so what good is it? When it becomes common knowledge I get to go “Thats what I knew!” Who cares? I apologize again. All I can add is 90% of StR will consider it good news the other 10% will be wrong. I will begin bitch slapping myself incessantly for my transgressions. Sorry again.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
When will it become common knowledge?
Just wink when I get it…
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
tomorrow?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
thursday?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sometime this week?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
By May 2nd?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
On ElRon's deathbed?
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That is not until 2053
I don’t know when, but I would think 2 weeks at most.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
Could be past May 2nd then... interesting...
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I'm not trying to trick you into giving anything away...
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No tricks usually needed
a “Whats that secret you’re not telling me?” will work. My wife gets me with it every time.
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
My best guess May 2nd plus or minus 2 days
In my quest to set the family record and live to 103, I am beginning to get pissed at the amount of body parts falling off along the way.
Much appreciated.
I’ll try not to be too anxious about it, then.
"If you're going to lead the orchestra, you have to turn your back on the audience." -Geoff Petrie
by AnotherStupidSN on Apr 26, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the point when email usually helps
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by wallywagon11 on Apr 27, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I know how it feels, ElRon
Don’t worry. Looking forward to finding out what it is.
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