Sacramento Kings In Free Agency: Don't Spend For Spending's Sake
by Aykis16 on May 11, 2011 7:00 AM PDT
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PrintSince the Maloofs declared their intention to keep the Kings in Sacramento this past week, one common theme that they've been repeating in their various interviews is that they will spend to improve the team during the offseason, starting with trying to re-sign Samuel Dalembert and Marcus Thornton as well as adding another piece or two through free agency.
This worries me a little bit. Don't get me wrong, I think the team should be spending money this offseason; we have the most cap space in the league.
But just because we have the most cap space doesn't mean we should go on a spending spree if its not warranted. While spending extravagantly can boost your team's fortunes in the short term, it can be just as bad (if not worse) in the long term as choosing to not spend at all.
Back in 2009, Detroit had the most cap space in the league and they were looking to make a splash. They ended up using their entire cap space by giving Ben Gordon a 5-year, $58 million contract and Charlie Villanueva a 5-year, $37.7 million contract. That didn't work out so well as Detroit won only 26 games the next year and 30 this year. Both players are locked into contracts until 2014, not to mention the fact that the Pistons still have Rip Hamilton signed through 2013 for $12.5 million per.
Another example was this past year's Milwaukee Bucks. They wanted to build off a nice run to get into the playoffs (and almost knocking off the Hawks in the first round). They traded expiring contracts for Corey Maggette's obscene contract, re-signed 31-year-old John Salmons to a 5-year, $39.2 million contract, and also gave Drew Gooden a 5-year, $32 million deal. Milwaukee dropped 11 games this year and are now stuck with an inflexible cap situation.
The most similar situation to where the Kings are now is probably New Jersey last year. With plenty of cap space, the Nets wanted to attract one of the big names, and when they failed, instead of opting for patience they spent most of their cap space on role players: Travis Outlaw, Johan Petro, Jordan Farmar and Anthony Morrow. Outlaw is the most egregious error, as he has the biggest and longest contract, despite having a terrible season and falling out of the starting lineup as the season went on.
There are other cautionary tales, but perhaps the scariest part is that we KNOW that Geoff Petrie has a habit of overpaying for contracts (see almost everyone signed or re-signed in the last five years, and be thankful Bonzi Wells passed up on his contract offer). We're finally out of most of our bad contracts, and the ones we do have (Beno Udrih and Francisco Garcia) aren't as bad as they used to be.
There aren't any marquee names out there in free agency this year like there were last year either. The best ones are either restricted (meaning the teams with their rights can match all offers) or past their prime. That isn't saying there aren't players that wouldn't be useful for the Kings to get, but we shouldn't be breaking the bank for most of these guys.
This doesn't mean the Kings can't take advantage of their cap space in other ways; I'm all in favor of a trade for a proven player that brings more money in than we take out. Who knows what will happen with a new CBA? The Kings have the most flexibility out of anyone and could perhaps be well prepared to take advantage of trade situations where teams have to get rid of salary and can't ask for much in return.
So spend if you will Maloofs, but spend with the future in mind.
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Great take, Aykis
so now for the $64,000 question. How much are Sammy and Marcus worth and for how may years?
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I think (under current CBA rules)
Thornton gets something like 6 years @ 35 million
Daly likely gets something like 4 years @ 32 million
Whatever we do, I hope we put both players on declining contracts. Makes room to re-sign rookie deals and makes it easier to potentially move these players down the road if needs be.
I'm no capologist...
But were I to hazard a guess, I’d put Sammy in the 10-12 mil per range for 5 years and Thornton in the 5-6 mil per range for 4 years.
lol sammy d for 2 mil per year?
Good Luck.
by Ultrakingsfan on May 11, 2011 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions
He said 10-12 mil PER
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Sammy gets more than $10 mil, I believe it's the ceiling.
I also don’t think he gets 5 years from anyone unless the 5th is a team option. Every team knows that things are changing.
I’d also be (almost) shocked if anyone gave Thornton $6mil a year with the limited data available. I think he’ll land in that 4-5 mil range and so might actually prefer a shorter term (3 yrs) so he has another contract later.
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by lietothegirls on May 11, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed, of course.
Although honestly, I don’t think the Gordon deal was a bad one, I just don’t understand why the Pistons only played him 26-27 minutes a night the past couple of years. Anyone’s stats would take a hit with 10 minutes less PT per night, and those are some pretty weak rosters, to boot.
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Isn't he basically Rodney Stuckey without the D?
by misterbrister on May 11, 2011 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions
My thoughts are they were trying to maintain Rip's trade value
in the hopes that they could deal him away.
terrible deal for a bench guy
he’s a spot up shooter, not much else.
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by lietothegirls on May 11, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always though "shopping"
the trade bin to absorb contract money was the safer route to using ‘cap space’.
You’re not in a bidding war to sign the player and you’re likely going to want to move a piece or two to make room for your acquistion. Also the contract lengths are usually shorter as they’ve likely player a year or more on their current contract, thus reducing the risk you assume when investing big money into these players.
by Smills9133 on May 11, 2011 7:19 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Absolutely
And depending on the new CBA, that cap space might net you a pretty decent sized fish.
Burklemaniac
I still so much doubt this.
Wasn’t that supposed to be the case the last 2 years? What happened then?
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This is all theoretical - based on the team's willingness to actually use the cap space
Are you saying that an abundance of cap space wouldn’t help their team in the pursuit of an upgrade to the roster? Or that the potential changes in the CBA would make cap space even more valuable?
Burklemaniac
I'm saying that despite the idea that cap space may be more valuable on the other side of the new CBA...
….let me ask this: Why would other owners let themselves be leveraged that way?
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by wallywagon11 on May 11, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
To keep your suspenders from flopping around?
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by otis29 on May 11, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
to keep other stuff from flopping around?
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on May 11, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why would you want that?
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't talking about the Atlanta Spirit LLC.
I was talking about many owners across the board.
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I doubt any owner will let themselves be leveraged this way from here to now
it’s about whether they have already done it. Not quite sure which teams are begging to get rid of contracts at the moment though.
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by wallywagon11 on May 11, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Again.
Owners have different agendas in play, and I have a bet that owners who are pushing a hard cap are not going to have as much traction in June as they may have today.
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Rudy Gay may be one
that Memphis wants to do without.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
That's actually something I could see.
They may want Mr. Battier back instead and shedding Gay for some cheaper assets might be apart of their end game with the extension of Randolph and the desire to retain Gasol. They may view Gay expendable with the success they’ve had.
The question I have after doing a bit of research is this:
The Grizz are currently at 54 million next season in committed salary after the Z-Bo extension. They still have Gasol and Battier as lingering free agents. Marc an RFA, Shane a UFA. They’ll match Gasol at any cost IMO. I think Marc gets at LEAST 10 million annually, probably close to 12. A team like Minny, Detroit or Indy could really use a tough inside presence like Gasol. So the Grizz would likely match an offer tendered.
Right there after Gasol. So 66 million commited. I’d imagine they’d want to re-sign Battier. That’d put the Grizz at or slightly above the current lux tax level.
Would the Grizz want to shed the 15 million owed to Gay(and his remaining years) for say pick(s) and prospect(s) in order to have roster flexibility moving forward?
If so, should the Kings target him depending on the price tag? These are all interesting questions.
Another question
Would you target Rudy Gay over Andre Iguodala? I see them as very similar players, both in skillset, contract, and potential availability.
One one hand, Iguodala’s contract is shorter and cheaper (Gay’s increases each year), and his defense is better. On the other hand, Gay is younger and still seems to be improving, and may be easier to acquire.
I switch back and forth each day…
I'd take whichever I could get
though I have a fondness for Iggy and his 5 assists, 6 rebounds and unselfishness.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed,
But wouldn’t GP have to somewhat overpay a FA to bring them here since Sac isn’t an attractive city/not a winning team…yet ;)
by FTFeli on May 11, 2011 7:20 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
This is the key... With the new CBA and teams failing in the Playoffs the Kings should capitalize on trades.
The Kings have the most flexibility out of anyone and could perhaps be well prepared to take advantage of trade situations where teams have to get rid of salary and can’t ask for much in return.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
True, there should a enough moving pieces in the off season to have options
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
You couldn't have said it better
the Pistons, the Bucks and the Nets examples are a lighthouse to avoid.
Although no one expected the Pistons to fall like that. Gordon and Villanueva are above average players and Gordon used to have great seasons with the Bulls.Their problem seems to lie with their coaches (especially this season), I’m impressed they kept Kuester, after all the embarrassment and the lack of respect he faced. The Bucks and the Nets made ridiculously unthinkable moves. Maggette? Seriously? The whole league was laughing when the Warriors gave him that huge contract. Outlaw? Petro?? Farmar, Morrow and Gooden are justified.. somewhat.
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
Teams that could be looking to 'ditch' money as they're above or near the LT would include:
Atlanta
Orlando
LAL
Grizzlies(after Randolph and Gasol extensions)
Hornets?(to make room for a new David West/Carl Landry contract)
6ers
Blazers(I know Allen is a billionaire, but the new CBA may force their hand)
Spurs
Anyone else think of anyone else that might be looking to shed contracts of decent-good players in order to get their financial house in order? Pacers MIGHT deal Granger to maximize their cap space and target Nene amongst others with their cap space.
personally
…Josh Smith? I’d say yes.
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by lars.ON on May 11, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Memphis can afford to extend Gasol
Not unless they trade Rudy Gay – Which they suddenly might be open to.
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by lietothegirls on May 11, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
How do you know what Memphis can afford?
You do realize that Memphis has about 52-53 million committed next season right? Gasol can’t fetch a ton of dollars on the open market because of his 2nd round status either.
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Has there been any chatter around what the cap will be at next year?
Are they trying to lower it signifigantly
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 11, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what the whole chatter about the new CBA is KFIP.
I’m going to be writing a post about this (probably putting it on here instead of EC) over the weekend hopefully.
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Ah nice.
I have to admit with everything that has been going on I haven’t paid much attention to whats going on there, and thats gonna obviously have a huge impact on our off season strategy
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 11, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
cool i always like a good novel!
JK i am looking forward to it
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No.
Too controversial.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
What does his 2nd round status have to do with anything?
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
The main issue is that Memphis can't give him an extension without that 3rd year in the books.
That’s really just about it.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
The other thing about trades
Is that, good or bad, the Kings are more likely to have the incoming player on a shorter deal than bringning in a free agent. Lamar Odom, for example, has one year plus a team option for a second year if he were pursued. If he were pursued as a free agent, the team would likely have to sign him to a longer contract.
Lamar Odom
should never be ‘an example’ for anyone.
I wish their was an de-rec’ button
by Smills9133 on May 11, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
De-Rec Rec'd
Just an example of how team risk might be minimized through shorter contracts in trades than free agency. Next time I’ll used a more obscure/non-L.A. example.
+96
As though chloe would let him move up here anyway
by lchristmas on May 11, 2011 10:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Shane Battier
Re-sign Sammy and Thornton and add verteran Shane Battier.
What do you think?
Hmmm...can play SF and hit an open 3pter
I like it!
Battier is the goods
I can’t think of one reason he’d leave a playoff team at this point in his career to come to Sacramento.
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$$$ would be the only reason I can think of.
is the only reason I could see.
Hypothetically let’s say that’s how we rolled. We nabbed Knight at #5 and at #36 Charles Jenkins(value pick)
Our roster would be:
C: Dalembert, Whiteside
PF: Cousins, Thompson, Greene
SF: Battier, Garcia, Casspi
SG: Evans, Thornton, Taylor
PG: Beno, Knight, Jenkins
To throw more money to lure a 33 year old defensive specialist out of his team of preference
would be a waste of cap space. His career is winding down. Houston realized it while he still had some trade value left and gave space to their young SFs (Budinger and T-Will). He is now a bench player and barely plays 20-25 mins for a team which doesn’t even have an average SF (Sam Young). Next year with Rudy Gay back, he will be paid mostly for his locker room presence and his corner threes alla Bowen, which is great because he’s one of the brightest minds and personalities in the NBA, plus he is a fan favorite in Memphis. But these kind of players are only valuable to teams where they are considered icons and have spent most of their career, like Bobby Jackson for the Kings. Elsewhere, they would fade in oblivion.
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
They may have to trade Gay if they want to keep Gasol
They now have $55 mil or so tied up for 11 players. I can’t see them being able to afford a $65-$70 mil payroll.
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by lietothegirls on May 11, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I cant either
Especially given that its the leagues smallest market or next to it, and they have poor attendance
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 11, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I should have used the € sign?
would that have helped you?
Cowboyron do you live in Rio Linda?
by Smills9133 on May 11, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And he still rocks the Caesar haircut
Battier is top-flight, but he will be in high demand. I think Grant Hill brings the same sort of vibe, but with less competition. The wily vet whio can push the youngin’s thru the 4th quarter.
If they can re-sign Sammy/Thornton, and go get Battier or Hill, plus a sharp-shooter ala Kapono or Peja, that would be a pretty solid off-season.
Again, why does a guy at the end of his career choose a re-build team?
Him and Battier both present similar positives, but are impossible to imagine having interest in being here.
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Legacy baby, legacy
Battier welcomed a trade to Memphis. Very few thought that Memphis would be in the situation they are in now. Who gets a ton of the credit for this and probably a nice contract out of this run? Shane.
The thing is, we don't really know what the market is going to be like for those guys with the new CBA
If the new cap rules make it tough for teams like Miami, the Lakers, and other teams who are usually able to sign those types of guys (solid vets on their last legs) to below-market contracts by offering them a chance at a ring, it might not take an outrageous offer to get one of those guys to happily accept the “wise older brother” role on a team like the Kings for the chance at one last solid contract before they go searching for a ring or start their new careers.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 11, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sammy's not at the end of his career.
He’s only been in the NBA for 9 seasons and not all of them for big minutes.
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You're right he's not, even when he wasn't playing well I was surprised by his athleticism
but ASSN’s point is still valid I think. We don’t know what the new CBA will mean in terms of the amount of salary space available to each team and we don’t have any idea of what the next CBA will do to salaries. Under the existing CBA I could see given the need for bigs around the league that Sammy could possibly get a 4 year/3 guaranteed for around $8 mil per year. Under the next CBA who knows. The need for quality bigs will not have diminished but the money available to spend on them may have.
Additionally we don’t know if it will include some kind of amnesty provision that will allow a team to buy out an unattractive contract without it counting against the cap. There could be players available post CBA that are not on the market now. Larry Coon tweeted about it today, the next CBA may render what we know about the cap moot. Even though it is a pure pleasure to talk about actual basketball things again it is almost pointless, well past the usual speculation points, to discuss potential trades, salaries and both kinds of free agents until we know and understand the new reality the next CBA will create.
The only thing that makes sense to discuss at this point is team needs and how well potential vets and draftees will help the kings address their needs.
"It ain't Chinese algebra" - Tony Allen from Basketbawful
Your whole 3 paragraphs ( as eloquent as they are)...
…give the Kings a significant advantage if they offer an extension to Sammy. You can be smart monetarily, or you can be smart psychologically. If the Kings don’t try to get Sammy on an extension, I’d be very disappointed myself.
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Yep, loved the signing
the injury pre camp hurt a lot and by December I was ready to see him traded by the deadline but after the clean slate, new year start I was forced by his play to really rethink my earlier opinion. Even after Daly’s play improved I still cringed (I mean I literally cringed) when he would take a 16 foot plus jumper but he made enough of them that I was ok with him taking them. After MT2 came in and gave us another offensive threat, spread the floor a bit better and often took the double teams off of Sammy, they started to go in the hole at a higher . I would still rather see him playing the low block and getting O boards, tip ins and put backs at closer to 60 rate but I can live with the occasional jumper.
I would be totally astonished if the Kings don’t make a major effort to resign both Daly and Thornton who I think would be as important as just about any players we could in trade for. History has proved that it’s not just GP but almost all teams overpay when acquiring free agents, Sacramento and most small market teams just have to pay a premium as a sweetener to close the deal.
I would be even more astonished (I’ll take a picture of my astonished face with my phone cam and send it in) if Memphis doesn’t resign Marc Gasol which I think makes Rudy Gay potentially available. Prior to last summer spent with the national team I thought Gay’s max contract was ludicrous but he really improved, especially on defense and I think he could be an excellent piece for the Kings to acquire and I think we have the players to make a good trade with the Grizz as long as it doesn’t include Reke, DMC or MT2.
So there you have it Pookey. 4 paragraphs of eloquence and run on sentences and unsupported opinions. My dues are paid up, I remain a member of StR and I’m here to please.
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by Bluejohn on May 12, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was just talking about Battier and Hill, not Sammy.
And I think Sims was, too.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
All Battier does is create wins and make teammates better
Would overpay to lock him up here long term, but… no way he leaves Memphis and a winning situation.
battier yes
I do not think sammy re-signs with kings.new york ,yes.i wish he would stay here.he won’t.
by cowboyron96@yahoo.com on May 11, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Dally is going to sign for MLE on what will probably be his last 5 year contract???
No chance in hell
by HeuristicLineup on May 11, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I assume you still rec'd this though, right?
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did i miss something? why is cowboyron96 going green?
also is the 96 his IQ or wonderlic Score?
hey dipitydoo
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Both, combined.
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by ElRonToro on May 12, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
How did the dog feel about it?
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Didn't stop spitting for a year and a half.
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by ElRonToro on May 12, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
This should have waaaayyy more rec's.
But that’s just my opinion.
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by PhutureKings on May 13, 2011 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno, there's some kind of weird lovefest going on here
I’m pretty sure it started when cowboyron started finding the reply button.
Oh, and his good-natured handling of the negative replies probably won a few people over as well.
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I figured it was something of the “sarchastic” nature give his history.
hey dipitydoo
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He would totally make Tyreke better player
by guarding him in practice everyday.
What about someone like Rashard Lewis?
It looks like he has one year guaranteed at (gulp) $21 mil. Other than Wall, I don’t see anyone I would want on their roster.
If they landed the number 1 pick in the lottery, would that contract be worth taking on in addition to the pick?
Id rather sign rashard mendenhall, or reggie lewis
by lchristmas on May 11, 2011 10:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Can't stand him
Maybe it’s because he’s the ultimate “white guy” in the NBA and reminds me that I’m not that guy.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
Here's your guy, then.
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by wallywagon11 on May 11, 2011 8:34 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
How much would it cost to get Battier?
versus how much would we have to offer to Luc Richard Mbah a Moute (restricted), for Bucks not to match?
My take early on
is that we focus on resigning Thornton and Sammy, then test the waters on AK47. I wouldn’t go too high on him but he’d be a good vet on this team I think and its possible that the market is going to be pretty weak this summer. After that make yourself very available to take on some money through trades to get a big name, i.e. Igodala.
HERE WE STAY
THIS IS OUR TEAM
I'm worried they spend money on signing someone that they probably shouldn't
to show to the fans that they are in fact willing to spend money. I’m 100% ok with them not spending money this off season to be honest. Battier would be a nice addition, but probably not for what other teams will pay
by HeuristicLineup on May 11, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Poor Beno
What do people want from our little Slovenian?! Why is he always lumped in with 1 for 7 Cisco’s contract??
Consistent: Check; Relatively injury-free: Check; Selfless on the court: Check; Doesn’t half-ass it after getting a nice contract: Check!
It's his defense that ignites the wrath of the mobs
by Smills9133 on May 11, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This
I love Beno on offense and off the bench, but that defense is horrendous. The 1st year of that contract, he looked and played like Simple Jack from Tropic Thunder.
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by Rory Sparrow on May 11, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
You must've missed 2008-09
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He's had 2 out 3 good years after that contract
I think there were other circumstance named MUSSELHEAD
You can't blame all of it on Musselman
Beno was the King of the Fingerpointers when things were going bad on the court.
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If that's the case...
…Cuz doesn’t have a future in the NBA.
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Can I stuff Cuz into one of those clocks and torture Captain Hook with it?
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just tell Cuz that Hook's a referee
and you’ll get the results you want
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on May 11, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What if I tell Cuz that Hook is a purple banana?
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by CaliforniaJag on May 11, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He only played under Theus and Natt
He got the contract after the 38 win season in Theus’ first contract year. Then there was 08-09……
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Yeah I've wanted to forget them also
Too etched in my memory I guess.
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by kingsfan300 on May 11, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
there's another side to the story
doesn’t excuse his play but will give you a different outlook on Beno. i wrote a piece awhile back but have always hesitated on posting it because I don’t want throw people’s personal lives out on the Internets. Thought I’d post it when the Kings moved out of town but that didn’t happen. If you guys can keep it just between us I’ll throw it out there as a new fanpost.
You have piqued my curiousity
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 11, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
and he does half-ass it after getting a nice contract
after we first gave him the contract this site was SCREAMING to move him……not only was his D bad but he’s Offense was horrible…..but once PW took over, once Reke was the Main guy (not that Beno was) He blew up
by shadowchicken on May 11, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
08-09 never happened
I have extracted any memory of the time Theus/Natt/Musselman were at the helm. Outside that, Beno has been solid. I can think of a ton of NBA players who make a lot more than him and do much less.
Battier would be perfect
But we would have to overpay for him. Just curious, but does any 1 else think resigning Dally is not a priority? I like him n would welcome him back but I think if we we’re to go big in the draft or try to aquire a big through a trade, we could let him walk. I feel like we would really have to overpay for his services. Would u rather overpay for Dally or Battier, if possible? I really like Dally but I think if he wants 9/10 mil I would pass.
by Chent on May 11, 2011 10:04 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
maybe 9 max
I don’t even kno why I’m asking we have to see how the CBA shakes out first
by Chent on May 11, 2011 10:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd resign him for reasonable money.
It is tough to define ‘reasonable’ in the NBA, but I agree with you that I wouldn’t go over 8 mil. (or so) per year, nor would I extend that deal beyond around 4 (maybe 5) years. The higher the annual price goes, the shorter the term of the contract should go.
Dalembert has been very consistently decent, but NEVER great. He is a good shot blocker and is mobile, but he doesn’t bring consistent offense, nor is he consistently dominant as a rebounder. He is a strange player as he seems to have tremendous physical gifts and a good work ethic, but he never seems to put it all together for any amount of time. He is a good teammate however, and will never hurt the franchise.
I fairness, I’d compare him to Tyson Chandler as a player, and Chandler gets paid about the same money as Dalembert (12 mil. per), however, also consider that Al Horford gets paid the same.
He was GREAT toward the end of last season
when he was getting consistent minutes. Like 15-12-2. Outplaying Cuz most nights.
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
He also player GREAT right before Philly gave him a MONSTER deal.
I’m not saying you are wrong, I’m just saying that he has never shown the ability to put it together for a season, and it would be incredibly unusual for a player to do it this late in his career.
Signing him to really big money is a gamble I am probably not willing to take. The ONE factor that makes me hedge is durability – Dalembert PLAYS. There are some big guys we might be able to get to perform his role at a discount, but most of them are injury prone (guys like Joel Pryzbilla, Nazr Mohammed, etc.)
I think you say a lot of good things here
If I were GP, I dont know how much I would want to be that Dally was going to be consistently good/great for the next four years. His stats were always solid in Philly, but there sure were ready to get rid of him, and I dont think stats tell the whole story.
Battier is not that good
He can defend and hit a corner ‘3’. But there are better options than Shane Battier. AK-47 is the superior player. Odom is better than Kirlienko. Iguodola is superior to Odom. The Kings need impact players with fairly all around games, not limited role players.
I mentioned a while back the Kings need to score two impact players with their cap space and draft pick, one up front and one in backcourt. Strategy still holds. Exact position is not important. Ability to effect games nightly through versatility and blend of skills is what Kings need desperately.
Signing Marcus Thornton is priority #1. Sign outright or match any offer. I’d wait to see what the market bears for Sammy. He had success at PF towards end of year, but I don’t think you can win at high rate with him playing major minutes. Sammy is likable, but he is not that good. Mistake prone, trouble catching, forces things on offense, lackadaisical. I would not pay this guy a ton of dough. (4 year + option, 30 to 35 million seems about fair. If higher offer is tossed at him, S&T.)
Here’s the list of players Petrie should target via trade or free agency, that could realistically be available:
Homerun acquisitions:
(1) Andres Iguodola
(2) Al Horford
(3) Rudy Gay
(4) Danny Granger
(5) Nene
Nice consolation prizes:
(6) Josh Smith
(7) Tyson Chandler
(8) Andrei Kirilenko
(9) Lamar Odom
If all else fails:
(10) Luis Scola
(11) Javale McGee
This is a short list, and excludes mediocre talent. Just guys who would be definite upgrade and catapult team to higher win plateaus. I excluded other impact players like LeMarcus Aldridge, Pau Gasol, Chris Bosh and Manu Ginobli because doubt they are available.
I am particularly interested in a ‘3’ or ‘4’ that can handle the ball (Odom, Iggy, Granger) since our ball handling at the SF, PF and C was pathetic all season. We need bigger players who are comfortable with the ball in their hands. DeMarcus can pass when he is not leading the NBA in TOs, and our PFs (Sammy, JT) and SFs (Greene and Omri) completely suck at initiating offense for themselves or others.
If you are not a capable handler, than be adept at catch and finish. Our frontline fails on this count too. Enter Nene, Chandler, or Horford. A defensive stopper to semi-stopper who is not a liability offensively would give team new dimension too. Enter AK-47, Iggy, Odom, Smith. Internal improvement is not enough. Upgrades through splash off-season bonanza are (over) due to get Kings at and (well) over .500 level.
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by bench_blob on May 11, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I like your priorities.
My only issue with your list involves Javale McGee. I’d swap him for Sammy right now. I don’t think there is ANY way Washington lets him go.
Aside from that I agree with everything you said.
Actually, I will say that NO WAY is Horford available.
Why do you think Granger is available?
by Hoops Mike on May 11, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Granger isn't available
but another word of caution, Javale McGee has a serious 5 cent head.
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by lietothegirls on May 11, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
5 cent head?
Sounds like a bad night at a strip club…
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agreed hoops Mike
anyone who thinks horford is available is on crack. Josh Smith is awesome, but I doubt he’s available. And you’d have to give a lot. I don’t see the hawks trading with someone like the Kings. They’re trying to win now, and we don’t have the pieces to help there.
Agree that McGee is brainless, and not a good person to pair with our young team. We’ll just hope Whiteside fills that role for us.
Best fits, and most-likely available are probably granger and gay. I’d be happy with that. But we’d still need a PG.
Why isn’t Felton on the list of guys available/desirable?
To get any of these guys
we’d have to give up our pick and casspi at least. Hopefully they don’t force us to give JT as well. I hope we keep JT for the long hall.
Though, Casspi probably isn’t as desirable to Memphis/Indiana as we would be to say LA, New York. So might just have to be a pick and JT, which would really hurt.
JT isn't available
(within reason)
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt JT is part of the package for a guy like Iggy or even if Gay became available.
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Just to get back to reality:
Whiteside can’t be mentioned in the same sentence as McGee. He has the potential, sure. But ATM, he’s unknown.
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by caseycheesecake on May 12, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Josh Smith is a "consolation prize"!?!
Are you kidding me? I’d take Smith ahead of everyone on your list not named Horford or Iguodola.
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by PhutureKings on May 11, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit...forgot to add Granger ahead of Smith as well.
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by PhutureKings on May 11, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I like J Smooth
But would be a little weary about pairing him on a team with Boogie. Thats a lot of immaturity for a coach to deal with. Would definitely make for some interesting highlights though…
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The great thing about Thornton being a RFA of the Kings,
is that we have so much cap space, there’s no chance teams could out-bid us to the point where we literally could not keep him, like Utah/Mathews. I’m not saying nobody might try to jack a price up to make us pay a little more, but why would they? What is an extra 1 or 2 million per year going to hurt to the Kings? Not much.
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
No way do I want AK47
When was the last time he finished a season without getting injured? We have enough with the injury bug with Cisco and Tyreke as it is.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
Valid point
He has missed almost a quarter of his games over the past seven years – averaging about 63 games a year out of 82. That’s a big roll of the dice for a guy that turned 30 this year.
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I'd want AK47 as our PF
He had his best year at the 4. He’s undersized, but he could contest and block shots with ease. He’s way leaner than most 4’s thoufg
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I'd think he could make up for some of that missing heft with defensive smarts and ability, though.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
JT has really stepped up his game and improved.
He is passing better, though has always been OK, and has really been great at finishing around the rim. There is very clear and real talent in Cousins for passing and Sammy had more offensive game in catching and finishing around the rim at end of the season than I thought he possessed. I think that givens these points that your PF and C argument is more than a bit off.
Clearly an upgrade at SF is called for and you are more on point there.
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by PhutureKings on May 11, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
While I disagree a bit with some of those examples (Milwaukee especially) Aykis....
…I do agree that spending money wisely is an important ingredient to the Kings making a playoff run next season.
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ya. Shouldn't discount Boguts injury
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by sac_faithful on May 11, 2011 3:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My one hope this off-season:
No NBA team pulls a “Memphis” and bails out the Lakers by trading for Bynum. He soaks up a ton of cap space, has no knees, and is a thug who could very easily become Rasheed pt. Deux..
by gregory l on May 11, 2011 11:43 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Someone is going to trade for Bynum because
He actually has a team option in his contract next year. Depending on how the CBA turns out, I can see some GMs viewing it as an expiring contract. Would a GM send a talented player + a bad contract to the Lakers for Bynum and then don’t pick up the option?
Something like (Charlotte) Stephen Jackson + Tyrus Thompson for Bynum
(Detroit) Ben Gordon + Ben Wallace For Bynum
(Golden State) Monta Ellis or David Lee’s contracts are pretty steep
(Houston) Kevin Martin +Brad Miller for Bynum
(Memphis) Rudy Gay straight up
(Orlando) Turkoglu + Redick for Bynum
(Portland) Brandon Roy straight up
(San Antonio) Jefferson, George Hill and DeJuan Blair for Bynum
What about Pau? SF though trades?
It seems like Pau had his feelings hurt by all the negativity surrounding him this playoffs and his play reflected that. LA was a what have you done for me lately and forgot what he has done for the franchise the last 3 years. LA wants to get younger and more athletic, so maybe Casspi and our 1st rd pick this year and next for Pau. Pau and Cuz would be nice together. Could turn into something like what Memphis has down low.
I also wouldn’t mind swinging a trade for either Rudy Gay or Iggy. Either guy would fill our gaping hole at our SF. Yes I know that Memphis is playing better without him, but who is to say that would be the same story with us. I know one thing, both those guy’s tremendous athleticism (dunks) would put some casual fans in the seats. There is no way that either one of these guys would come to Sac though Free Agency, so if we can get them though trades lets do it.
About Gay,
even though, at this point, he doesn’t deserve his 20mil/year paycheck, he is a classy kid. He reminds me of Kevin Durant in that aspect.
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
This continues to be on of my biggest fears going into the offseason
Overpaying is a mistake not a lot of teams can afford to make, especially small market teams. It could really screw up any future flexibility. Combine that with the Malof situation and the pressure from fans for them to keep their word about spending and we may be in trouble. You gave excellent examples, Aykis, and I hope the organization does not make the same mistakes.
Using the cap space to absorb some big contract seems to me the best way to go about it. Resign Dally and Thorton first, and then go shopping. First let get a good pick and then…
Is the lottery really like 6 days away? What?
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I don't mind overpaying as long as it is a good player
I wouldn’t however overpay any more than 3M
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stupid idea
Why not offer Mark Gasol a deal, at worst Memphis will match it and he is a better player than Sam Dalembert right
That's not stupid.
I’m sure we will. And Cuz would really have to slim down to become our full-time PF.
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it would work out fine if we could learn to rotate the double team quicker
Guys like STAT or KG already burn athletic guys in the post. Its really a matter of playing better team defense.
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by sac_faithful on May 11, 2011 3:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
10 lbs
He can hopefully do that easily. Sure, a problem against some of the smaller athletic PFs -but I’l take the trade off.
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Way too much money
Especially after being so dominant in the playoffs. I love the idea of having a big, physical, and imposing frontline.
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Petrie need to target Kirilenko
Paul Millsap?
I think he’s really underrated. He’s tough, really effective, young enough to be part of the future, has a team friendly contract, and does almost everything well. He’d be a great addition and fit on the team.
Utah would trade him because they are rebuilding, he’s blocking Derrick Favors, and they have 3 other starting caliber bigs in Big Al, Okur, and Favors.
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That is sick...
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by caseycheesecake on May 11, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
that iggy and prince are the only two realistic options. Detroit IMO is going the opposite direction and the sixers want younger talent. Getting rid of the top pick in this weak draft for talent of any kind should be priority.
by midwestern_royalty on May 11, 2011 10:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The Sixers want a Center
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by lietothegirls on May 12, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Supposedly anyway.
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Are they in love with kanter?
That would make the pick plus Casspi deal more appealingto them.
by midwestern_royalty on May 13, 2011 1:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the Kings need to just resign their own players and add some auxiliary pieces
I’m not to thrilled with the names I’ve seen posted, mostly 2nd rate scorers with egos who think they deserve 1st rate money. The Kings already have their #1 and #2 scoring options on the roster. Keeping Thorton would give them the precious third scorder. It’s finding the right role players to put around them and keep enough money around to resign Reke and Cousins when their big pay days are due.
I dunno, this reminds me of last season when most of the comments were drooling all over Bosh scenarios. Would have been the worst move ever to acquire Bosh, all sizzle and no steak.
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One reason why I really like the idea of trading for Iggy is because he contributes in so many ways without needing to be a primary offensive weapon.
He’ll defend, handle the ball and keep the offense running when needed, rebound, hit shots when the opportunity is there, and give us some nice highlight dunks every now and again. I agree with you that our SF doesn’t need to be someone like Granger or Gay that might want to be the focus of the offense. I think after Iggy, my next choice would be Kirilinko. I’ve always been a fan of his, and think he would be good for the team for many of the same reasons that I think Iggy would be.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 12, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't hear the "all sizzle, no steak" chestnut tossed around about a third option very often.
18.7 ppg on 13.7 shots, 49.6FG%, 81.5% FT, 8.3rpg…
Seems like he’s all steak and no sizzle, if you want the truth.
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Also, reply fail. Which renders my argument invalid.
God dammit.
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by andy sims on May 12, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bosh.
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Olden Polynice produced stats
The Heat probably would have won the same amount of games with a Dally or Perkins inside instead of Bosh. Could have afforded an extra role player or two to boot.
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I see:
You just don’t like Bosh.
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I will take Bosh today
for anyone not named Tyreke Evans, DeMarcus Cousins or Marcus Thornton. And that includes the draft pick, slot unknown.
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Well, yeah...
Bosh is awesome. Of course he’s the third option and not the go-to guy in MIA. He plays with two of the NBA’s top-5 players on his team.
Bosh would do more for any other team than he does for Miami.
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by PhutureKings on May 12, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Good, I thought it was just me.
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Cisco is not
An NBA starting player something needs to be done with the 3 spot. I’m not condoning overpaying a guy but almost anyone will be an upgrade in talent over cisco.
by midwestern_royalty on May 12, 2011 11:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
It is certainly a cause for concern
that Casspi and/or Greene have been unable to wrestle the starting 3 spot from Garcia at this point.
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Donte, casspi, and cisco are
all expendable I love cisco in all aspects of the game that aren’t actually playing. Donte and casspi are young and have more trade value. I would love to pick up a expiring contract a la Michael beasly or Antawn Jamison. Upgrade at the 3 can stretch to the 4. Both have upcoming expiring contracts.
by midwestern_royalty on May 12, 2011 8:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
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