SBNation.com NBA Mock Draft: What About Kawhi Leonard For The Kings?
by Tom Ziller on May 18, 2011 4:27 AM PDT
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PrintYours truly did the SBNation.com NBA mock draft late Tuesday night, and it's alive for your perusal. Congolese forward Bismack Biyombo was off the board by the time I got to the Sacramento Kings at No. 7, so I went for a need position: small forward. And there lies Kawhi Leonard of San Diego State.
The Kings desperately need help at small forward, where none of Francisco Garcia, Donte Greene or Omri Casspi stood out (for good reasons) in 2010-11. Leonard is a big SF, and less of a shooter than the Kings would like, but the team is being rebuilt with an eye on energy and toughness. He fits that.
Leonard is considered, along with Biyombo and Florida State wing Chris Singleton, one of the best defenders in the draft. He's a power wing, a small forward more likely to crash the offensive glass than gun a three. That's a bit of a problem in that the Kings desperately need three-point shooting, especially in the starting line-up; it can't all be on Marcus Thornton. But the shooting part of Leonard's game is reportedly improving, and that could make his selection more palatable.
DraftExpress visited Leonard at Impact in Las Vegas. It's a great look at Leonard's current status and what he's working on.
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He'd be better than what we have at the position currently
But I don’t think I’d pass up on Knight to take him.
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by Aykis16 on May 18, 2011 4:28 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Did you see the Douby banner at about the 3 min mark? #8
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by sac_faithful on May 18, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree here
Warming up to the idea of Leonard. But if Knight’s there I probably take him and worry about SF through trades or free agency. Probably take Smack over Leonard, too.
Agree 100%.
I’d much prefer Knight than Leonard as I still think one of our young SFs (either Donte or Omri) can improve and become a starter. And if they don’t, I’m plenty fine with Tyreke playing the 3. I’m expecting Knight to go to Utah at 3, as they really need guard help. But if for some reason Knight is still on the board, I don’t know how we can pass him up.
Would only make sense if we could get a starting SF here
Though getting rid of our 3 and using the draft pick to get the PG leaves little trade assets to get a solid SF so we would have to rely on signing someone… which isn’t looking great
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Pick up Shane Battier, Andrei Kirilenko or Tayshaun Prince
Let Donte or Casspi develop behind them. We would get veteran leadership, outside shooting (AK47s outside shooting is only so-so but he is a beast on D) and defense. All of which we need in spades. Also, these players move well without the ball (which also is needed in spades). Lastly, because of age, we should be able to get one of them for a reasonable price.
Sure
…If Knight and Kanter are off the board by then.
I went to SDSU and watched almost every game this year...
Kawhi is a nice player, but should have stayed another year as an Aztec. The problem with him going #7 is that, beside rebound, he really doesn’t dominate in any other catagory. He is plays “good” defense. He has a “good” mid range jumper. He is a “good” free throw shooter.
He is a “good” player – but not clearly a better player than Donte or Omri. I am not saying he couldn’t be, but his tweener size already puts him at a disadvantage. He is NOT a shooter or a slasher – and that is something the Kings need at the 3…
by Ryan J on May 18, 2011 6:11 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this
i fear a ryan gomes-like game
Fully on the “hope bismack is there” bandwagon, for today
by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 6:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
JIMMER!
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by caseycheesecake on May 18, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm definitely not on the Leonard bandwagon at #7.
Jimmer is absolutely a great fail safe to be there at #7 if all the other prospects that are of interest are off the board: Namely – Kanter, Biyombo, Knight, Walker and Vesely.
I don’t think you can underestimate Petrie’s fondness for shooters. Knight, Walker and Jimmer are probably high on his draft board for these reasons.
In the past he’s taken the BPA’s and it’s worked, but now that we have those BPA’s it’s time to start filling in BPA at a position of need.
This draft does remind me of the 99 draft. Petrie passed on Paul Pierce and went with Jason Williams, which turned out to be the right pick for our team. He was the motor that got us moving.
I think Free Agency will be a place where we fill the ‘perceived’ hole at the forward position.
DO you think there would be a trade out there we could do to get #2 to get Williams at all? I am thinking #2 for #7 this year, 2013’s #1 and maybe throw in a little Donte or Omri?
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You must really like Williams.
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by caseycheesecake on May 18, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually i do really good at the three line, pretty good at the defense, Great athleticism, great shooting
They way i see him hes got the shooting Casspi is supposed to have, the length, defense and rebounding Donte’s got.
From: NBA Draft net
Strengths: Williams had an excellent freshman season, averaging 15 and 7 for a rebounding Arizona team … A long, 6’9 forward, Williams possesses sound footwork and fundamentals when dealing in the paint… He absorbs contact well, and gets to the line at an excellent rate, attempting 7.5 attempts per game… One of his best assets revolves around his high offensive awareness level- he times his cuts in the paint in rhythm with his point guard and the ball movement around him … He uses pump fakes and positions his body efficiently when going up for a layup or dunk under the rim … With his back to the basket, Williams uses his strength, along with long and efficient drop steps to create separation where he can score on 10 foot turn around jumpers and touch hooks … He is capable of facing up, where he can attack by putting the ball on the floor, and though he doesn’t have the speed or handle to blow by his defender, he uses his body to shield his defender, making it difficult to contest his shot … Defensively, he does a good job bodying up and defending the post … Only averaged 2.5 personal fouls per game illustrates his high defensive IQ and understanding of defensive positioning … 7-plus foot wingspan also helps him on the boards and blocking shots Weaknesses: He will likely always use speed and length to compensate for a lack of brute strength … He would really benefit from developing a consistent mid range jump shot … His face up game would be more effective, and it would add another dimension to his offensive repertoire … At times, takes him a little too long to execute his move and get off his shot … Needs to improve vision in the post – when the ball goes down low to him it rarely gets kicked out … Goes through cold spells from the FT line. Must become more consistent …
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Wait what!
Defensively, he does a good job bodying up and defending the post … Only averaged 2.5 personal fouls per game illustrates his high defensive IQ and understanding of defensive positioning … 7-plus foot wingspan also helps him on the boards and blocking shots
His shooting last year was: FG% 0.595 FT%0.746 3P%0.568 and rebounding at 8.3. Plus we Have Dalembert and Big Cuz for rebounds..SF it isnt a true necessity
Have you even read up on this guy or look at the provided link?? Due is looked at as one of the most NBA ready guys which is why he is gonna go #2 or #3
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given the generally accepted "petrie loves shooters" axiom
Its interesting just how crappy the shooting on this team has been over the last several years.
Has petrie not really been valuing shooters like everyone thinks he does? Or has he just not been that great at it lately?
by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 8:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
the guy has been doing the exact same predraft workout routine for the last 16 years
and you can use that information to compare your current prospect with guys in the past so I dunno if it’s a matter of him not being as good anymore at picking shooters or perhaps he does not have a set type of play he drafts towards, he just looks for the best available talent at positions he is looking at.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
VP needs to stay away from the FA market in the worst way
It’s the hole in his game that we don’t talk about much. Trades…………..Fine……….trade away but stay away from those free agents. The pool is pretty shallow this year anyway but we havenot done well there.
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by Bluejohn on May 18, 2011 11:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
We have not done well recently
But the FA acquisitions during the early part of the decade (B-Jax, Pollard, Divac, Jimmy Jackson, Jon Barry, Peeler, etc.) were very, very good.
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I like Leonard's game, but really like his potential.
The main thing is that he’d be a 3 in the NBA, and that is a position of need. I doubt he’s a starter yet, and we definitely need a starter at SF, because the current roster lacks one. Ultimately, if we draft him, we’d still want to pursue a 3 in free agency, or via trade, but at least it’d free up the possibility of moving one or two of Casspi/Greene/Garcia, assuming that was even possible.
I’m starting to wonder if given how Leonard is being talked about in workouts, whether he’ll even be around at 7.
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Which I will eat.
I think Washington has the greatest chance of taking Leonard
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Meant to add;
I don’t really see him going to a team before Washington at 6.
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If kawhi isnt going to be a clear upgrade to omri
And we’re going to have to get a fa sf anyway, drafting kawhi to trade omri just sounds like a lateral move to me. Donte and cisco have no trade value
Assuming bismack is gone id rather let geoff take a flier at best available euro big man or….
JIMMER
by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 8:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
First Reke, then Cousins....
now talking about Bismack and Kawhi…wingspan has become a theme….
next year we’ll draft a pterodactyl…
by getPGwithbounce on May 18, 2011 7:01 AM PDT reply actions
I thought we drafted one of those
with our second round pick last year…
by Gabraham on May 18, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jumping up for #2
What would it take to jump to #2 in your opinion to get Derrick Williams. Could the #7, 2013’s #1 and Donte get it done?Maybe even throw in a Beno for Flynn in there as well?
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And what if you do all that, and Williams is gone at #2?
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I'd throw in 2013 #1
But not 2012. Next year should be a very good draft and in 2013 I would suspect we make the playoffs.
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Im a big williams fan and thats giving up too much imo
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth at voluntarily trading with khan for jonny flynn
by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 7:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
is williams THAT much better?
i don’t think he is an extra first rounder better
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In 2013, I would hope our pick is nothing more than a mid-to-late first rounder anyway.
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by PhutureKings on May 18, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What are the chances the Maloofs view Jimmer
as NBA’s Tim Tebow of sorts? He is marketable across the nation and would sell a lot of jersey’s…and perhaps more TV time. I could see them applying some pressure to Petrie.
you think they are going to override Petrie?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Override? No chance.
Will they try to put pressure on him (read: beg and plead) because they could use the revenue? I don’t think that is out of the question.
Maloofs pressure Petrie? What's the worst that could happen?
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by andy sims on May 18, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Oh boy
we got a bismack AND Kawhi thread going now? Woohoo!
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 7:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Your life is now complete eh?
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completely without anyone who can actually shoot, why yes
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
He's one of the players I see moving up in the draft
No one really knew Cousins could shoot until the individual workouts. Maybe Kawhi can surprise some people?
people believed he could shoot actually
not saying they knew it but people know DMC’s game in high school.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Things I liked to read...
Love this new way of thinking from the Kings
the team is being rebuilt with an eye on energy and toughness
Leonard is considered…. one of the best defenders in the draft. He’s a power wing, a small forward more likely to crash the offensive glass
This is what the predraft workouts will show. How far a long has it come since college?
But the shooting part of Leonard’s game is reportedly improving, and that could make his selection more palatable.
I feel this year Evans shot will really start making the turning point and will help relieve some of the weight off Thornton’s back, but frankly we still need our best shooter at the SF position.
Not really sure on this one either.
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
you dont need your best shooter at SF
look at the teams in the ECF and WCF. Durant is the only elite shooter at SF among them.
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by sac_faithful on May 18, 2011 10:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
How the Kings are currently set up, they need their best shooter at SF
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree
of the 3 smalls , 2 have to be able to shoot (prefer all 3)…
If we concede 36 minutes that Reke will be on the floor, thats 36 minutes the other 2 smalls HAVE to be shooters. If Rekes backup is a shooter , then Donte has 12 minutes to play each game.
Not having 2 shooters is just asking for trouble.
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What would be your preference
elite D or elite shooting at the 3? Because they often don’t come packaged together otherwise you are a superstar. I agree that as currently constructed we need our SF to shoot the 3 consistently. But I don’t want that attribute to take precedent over shitty defensive concerns.
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by sac_faithful on May 18, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Reke will never be a great outside shooter
and we aren’t trading him in quite some time.
That mandates our primary 3 must shoot the 3 well.
I would rather get a true point who can shoot some and not suck at D. And a 3 who can shoot. I would start the 1 Reke and the 3. Thornton would come off the bench and Reke would back up both the 1 and the 3. All would get 36 minutes a game.
Cisco would be odd man out , but if there is an injury he can play multiple spots.
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I'll say it again...
…we should be able to get one of the following in free agency:
Shane Battier, Tayshaun Prince or Andrei Kirilenko.
Both Battier and Prince give you consistent shooting from the 3 and good D. Kirilenko is a pretty good shooter when left alone and is a beast on D.
If you do get one of these guys, you can trade Donte or Casspi and let the other develop behind the new guy. Also, each of the guys above should be had for a modest contract, given their age and injury history.
my takes
I am not in favor of drafting anyone who cant come in and contribute right away. This includes Leonard, who is not an upgrade at SF in my opinion, this also includes Biyombo or any Euro.
I see Walker and Knight both being drafted by 7, so that leaves 3 options for me…
1)Trade the pick as part of a package for a vet, which has been beat into the ground, and there are too many options to get into
2)Trade up for the 2 spot to grab Williams. Would be interested to see what it would take… but I cant remember the Kings every doing this?
3)The Jimmer. First off, everything will depend on his pre-draft workouts to figure out if he can guard anybody. I think he can, but BYU asked him to rest on D, because no player ever had to work so hard on O (throw it to Jimmer at half court, get out of the way, maybe send a ball screen). If he can defend, my prediction is Jimmer makes a Tebow style rise up the charts (Utah at 3) or here at 7.
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side note- Am I the only one who doesnt want Brandon Knight? 3 straight Calipari one and done guys? No Thanks
Uhh... Derrick Rose, John Wall, Tyreke Evans and DeMarcus Cousins are all Calipari
and not a single ONE of them is a one and done guy.
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
what do you have sugar for Mr. McCracken?
I know they can play, my point is that putting 3 on the same NBA team is not a great idea in my opinion. Style of play, intelligence, etc
I just named 3 potential all stars and an MVP that he has coached
Meanwhile you are calling them one and done guys and saying it’s a bad idea without justification. What makes it a bad idea? How are they “one and done guys”, Style of play? Intelligence? Not a single one of them plays the same, not to mention Calipari’s teams win basketball games
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
One year of college. Done with college.
One. Done.
by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 9:37 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Never gotten this fascination with people wanting guys to stay in college
The whole point of college is to further your career. Why stay for the whole 4 years if someone offers you a multi-million dollar job doing something you love? Why even go to college if they offer you before that?
Let guys come out of high school if they want and let the blame fall on bad scouting if organizations draft them. The whole one and done rule is only for the NCAA’s benefit getting more talent into the schools.
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by Aykis16 on May 18, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Didnt I tell you to call me Ernie or Big Ern?
I dont have a big problem with guys staying in college or not. I was saying taking 3 players in a row from Kentucky and trying to build around that is not a great idea. Calliparis guys are not typically the smartest players/individuals and building an NBA team that way is a gamble.
Brandon Knight has a 4.0 GPA through High School and College
You have to be smart and hard-working to get that.
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You mean being a Calipari recruit doesn't get you a 4.0 in HS?
I’m shocked.
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Glad you mentioned that.
That’s a big reason why I want Knight so bad. It’d be a nice to have a smart guy next to Reke.. maybe their intelligence can balance out.
Knight is academically a junior next semester. Pretty impressive.
Woah burn.
Don’t confuse Tyreke’s mumbling with a lack of intelligence.
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by caseycheesecake on May 18, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh please...
Have you ever attended college with a hoops program?
Many of those dudes sleep through class and still get at least a “B.”
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by PhutureKings on May 18, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Funny how these "not typically the smartest players"
Tend to become the best players in the NBA. 70% of the league is becoming “1 & Done” players.
When people talked about Cousins, they always said he was smart. Tyreke doesn’t seem to be a stupid guy either. As Aykis said, Knight has consistently had a 4.0 GPA throughout his educational career.
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There's still a huge group of players who didn't even play a single game in college as well
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Doing well in college does not mean you are smart and not doing well in college doesn't mean you aren't smart
Doing well in college means you are a very good college student.
by betweentheeyes on May 18, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The NBA does it to decrease the likelihood of offering young players that 3rd contract.
That’s why the NBA does it. I don’t really see why the NBA wants to increase the age limit to 20 years old though. That makes less sense than the 19 year old age limit.
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I don't get it either
and am willing to bet it won’t happen
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah because I doubt NBA GM's want to deal with another weak draft like 2011.
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not only that but
it seems like a pretty easy issue to ceade to the players union who want to come off like they really care about the youngsters in college being able to declare if they want to. I just don’t see why they would care a ton to bump up the age even more and it seems like an easy concession to make that really means little to them in the CBA talks.
But I could be wrong.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that's less of a reason.
The NBA knows that one way to get college fans following the NBA game is to give them players they can root for their local college team.
It’s kinda stupid really, but the NBA thinks it makes marketing sense. There is enough dumb thought processes that college helps develop players into NBA players (it doesn’t), or helps them mature (it doesn’t).
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I should point out
when I say ceade I only mean they stop pushing the 2 year college rule and stick with the norm 1 year. I get the sense they are making the 2 year push as a way to protect the 1 year requirement (which already accomplishes the benefits they think make it worth it to even have such rules) and also as a bargaining chip in the CBA negotiations that they really don’t care about in the end but will make the players feel like they gained progress in an area that just does not matter much.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps you're right in that respect Wally.
I hope you are.
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I just struggle to see why the NBA cares so much about going from a one year to two year
other then making some extensive research into veteran pay and 3rd and 4th contracts signed in the league, I struggle to see what it accomplishes for them.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably because
owners don’t like the idea of paying millions to kids to have them ‘develop’ on their watch and dime. Having them go to college is basically free instruction for their league along with the marketing and evaluation aspects mentioned.
How do you develop for the NBA against NCAA players?
Explain this to me.
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you think they are really that terrible concerned
bout development between the freshman and sophmore year of college? Don’t get me wrong, I agree they probably do think that way but when push comes to shove, when they need to negotiate a litany of issues with the CBA, you think this will be a huge deal to them to fight? I think the status quo of a one year requirement is alright and they don’t want to risk losing that.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
*terribly
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh it's beneficial for the NBA too.
The NBA gets free marketing of college players via the national exposure that College gets vs. HS. It also allows them to evaluate players at a much higher level than high school aiding in their ability to scout. These are reasons the NBA owners want the age limit. It enhances evaluations because you can’t reliably say that scouting players in HS that bust is purely the fault of the scouts. You can’t really simulate higher competition
yup
I can actually understand why the NBA wants it. That being said, I find the NCAA’s reasons and the way they enforce NCAA rules ethically questionable.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Precisely.
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I'd like them to be older, more ready for the NBA
football does that and I don’t understand why some think it’s so different.
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by lietothegirls on May 18, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah and that certainly makes football players better people too.
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It's the money and the power in the hands of young adults that is dangerous
90% of the people on this fan site would do some stupid stuff if they had a million dollars in the bank, if they haven’t already.
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by sac_faithful on May 18, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yes because 21 or 22 is clearly more mature than 19 or 20.
What was I thinking?
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I have done plenty of stupid things without a million dollars in the bank. And I for one would happily volunteer to receive a million dollars from people on this board as a way to test this hypothesis.
by SPTSJUNKIE on May 18, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This. So much this.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't see a ton of SDSU games this year
But I watched all of the ones vs. BYU. Kawhi was always talked about as being such a premier player, but I never knew where he was on the court because he didn’t stand out at all. He always ended up with a lot of rebounds, but in these big games of BYU vs. SDSU, it was always Jimmer that was coming up big and Kawhi that seemed to disappear.
I’m a huge Jimmer fan, but I’m curious where you guys see him fitting in with the Kings? Back up PG, replacing Beno? Starting PG, moving Tyreke to the 3 or MT to the bench? As much as I like Jimmer, it seems his best role on this team is as a more exciting Beno.
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I see Jimmer converting Cuz to LDS.
That’s Jimmer’s role.
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by pookeyguru on May 18, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see Cuz converting Jimmer to LSD
That’s how Cuz rolls.
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by section214 on May 18, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Oh man.
I feel bad for laughing, but that is funny.
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Haha, well played.
I don’t know which of these two conversions would be more far-fetched…
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by kingsforaday on May 18, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Fredette
Starts the season as 4th guard and spot long range threat. If he shows enough handles and grasp of the offense and defense by the trade deadline, Udrih becomes expendable.
Lather, rinse repeat as it pertains to Knight and Walker.
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by section214 on May 18, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll say this: If that's all your getting out of this draft with players elsewhere that can do more than be your 4th G in the rotation......
….either the draft is super weak or your making a bad mistake.
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Or you're taking the BPA at your roster's strongest depth
Evans, Thornton and Udrih probably represent 3 of the team’s 5 best players at the moment (along with Dalembert and Cousins).
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Yes thank you.
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by PhutureKings on May 18, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Dang,
I kinda like Beno as backup pg too…plus after that fanpost, he seems like such a good guy. I guess a couple of fredette 3’s from 40 out could help me get over him though
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by kingsforaday on May 18, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Jimmer not
the White Marcus Thornton?
Can score in buncehs, with a sweet stroke and some strong moves to the hoop, pass a bit, questioned about his defense?
I really like Jimmer, but wonder what his place on the team will be.
And to get back to the original question: no thank you to Leonard. I cannot see him beat out Cisco or Omri.
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Question
And to get back to the original question: no thank you to Leonard. I cannot see him beat out Cisco or Omri.
Do you mean by the beginning of the season or ever? Because I agree that Leonard could not displace any of those guys by the start of the season. But I could see him overtaking all of these guys by next year.
Which leads to question #2 – Who could the Kings draft that would likely be a starter by the beginning of the season, or at least a core rotation (top 8-9 player) by the start of the season?
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I am hoping we can draft someone who starts by mid season with a top 7 pick,
but I might just be being optimistic
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Question #2: Nobody
Not even sure Kyrie Irving fits that bill.
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Williams does.
Especially given the competition at that spot.
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by PhutureKings on May 18, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Certainly not the beginning of the season
and although hard to predict, likely ever.
I’m watching with amazement how people are eager to trade Omri. Is his trade value only high because of his marketability (and are GM’s much influenced by that), or are people seeing something that PW didn’t? Omri has in his first two years shot better from 3 than Peja, on a worse team with bad ball movement. He’s only going into his 3rd NBA season. Do you think he has reached his peak?
And now everyone is high on all kind of players, while at the same time this is seen as a weak draft. Granted, the 2009 draft was viewed as weak as well, but this time it seems more likely. So how high would Leanord be drafted in 2009? Before or after Omri? I think after. would he be a Taj Gibson, or a DeMarre Carrol or Ejenga?
As to question number 2, I have also been saying that it is hard to have a good view on this team and its needs, because of the lack of identity of this team, offensively and defensively, and the many questionmarks surrounding Tyreke. Can a team thrive with him as the main playmaker, can he coexist with MT, is he efficient when he plays off the ball? Another matter which may have a big impact: will both MT and Dalembert be resigned?
I think we have a big risk of losing Dalembert, and I think in that case, Vesely and Motiejunas have a good shot at being starters or core players.
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by RikSmits on May 18, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Doh!
and I think in that case, Vesely and Motiejunas have a good shot at being starters or core players.
I actually meant Valanciunas, not Motiejunas, although Motiejunas could be a core player as well (not a starter, I think).
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I was wondering there
that kind of threw me off
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Put me in the camp of
If we trade omri it better be for something really good and not because we’re giving up on him… I think he still has a good chance to become a very good player and westy’s handling of him last year was shit
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by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 12:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The only thing better than 1 Thornton is 2 Thorntons.
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by caseycheesecake on May 18, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Leonard better than Biyombo
With Irving and Williams long gone, and if Kanter and and Knight are gone as well, I would consider Leonard or Walker, unless one of the foreign players leaps off the charts.
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Having watched quite a few of the foreign players
None really jump out at me as impact players aside from Kanter. The others are all projects.
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A year ago
I would’ve said Vesely could be an impact player, but he hasn’t improved as much as I thought he would over the year. He more than the others needs the NBA so he can grow.
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A Greek intrigued by a Turk?
Now I’ve seen everything!
(j/k)
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Better than being tickled by Turkey.
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by Aykis16 on May 18, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Donatas Motiejūnas
Can continue having him play in europe and offer him a contract when we are ready to win.
Or he can keep playing in Europe forever.
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What is your beef with him?
He is really good in Europe. He is already very good. He has a sweet stroke from anywhere on the floor and he is a legit 7 footer. He is a starting 4 in the NBA.
by Ultrakingsfan on May 18, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
He can't rebound
He can’t defend
He doesn’t want to rebound or defend
He weighs less than Marcus Thornton
He’s lazy and has a bad work-ethic
Yes he’s a good scorer, in the Italian league, playing against inferior competition.
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I mean, aside from that
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by section214 on May 18, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think Aykis just hates Lithuania.
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Not true
I like Jonas Valanciunas.
And who can forget our Lithuanian friend, Darius Songaila?
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Very easily.
The moment he betrayed us by signing with those dastardly devil Bulls.
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Hmmm-
Very easily…
Vesely….
…and we’re done here.
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by section214 on May 18, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can't
forget about #13, Sarunas Marciulionis…
by luckthefakers on May 18, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
darn straight
loved that guy
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Toughness
before it was popular with the Kings
by luckthefakers on May 18, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Whose Rooney?
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I like him too
But he would be a bit of a project. However, PF’s with 3pt range cause huge matchup problems. He has a post game too and can finish with both hands. The knock on Nowitzki was that he couldn’t rebound or defend, but he’s turned into an MVP type player. You never know for sure, but this guy certainly has the tools
well, Dirk has never had his work ethic questioned
I obv have no way of knowing whether these rumors about Donatas are true or not, but that is a question mark Dirk did not carry.
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if walker slips i think he should be the pick
Its possible, I can see utah taking knight because they need shooters and a pg for the future. They can groom him and he has more defensive potential than Walker. I just can’t see them taking walker, toronto is the only team I’m worried about. Colangelo likes foreign bigs but they might nab Kemba. If he’s gone I think we have to take Vesely or Biyombo. We have to get a piece that has a chance to be really good, And we have a need for those two types of players.
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Chauncey Billips Sighting at 1:42 ?
Is that Chauncey… sure looks like him
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I like Knight
If Knight isn’t there then we go for Depth on our front line: Biyombo….Kid is 19 years old, doesn’t stop rebounding, plays great defense, and would be willing do to all of the little things DMC is not willing to do…..Dive on the Floor, fight through the picks, fight for a rebound, and just play lock down defense;
I would love to get Knight playing next Reke, but I think that Casspi could grab hold of the 3 and play well….having DMC and Biyombo down low would be great!!!!
Um...
Cousins did dive on the floor during the season, took a crapload of charges, and ranked 6th amongst NBA centers in rebounding rate (he would have ranked 7th amongst PF’s) while leading a pretty decent rebounding team in rebounding. He also played eager defense all year long, if not always effective.
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Yes
It isnt that DMC isnt “willing” to do those things. Bismack would complement DMC well however (as the short and/or long term replacement to sammy) – he won’t need the ball – willing to get his on garbage – waaaay more athletic than DMC… sign me up
I am eager/nervous to see what DMC’s conditioning/physique will look like in year 2. He can be special or he can be Brad Miller. Brad in his prime was a good player. DMC needs to want more.
by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 11:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed all around
Though I do wonder if the populace will have the patience for Biyombo to develop. We already have folks writing off Whiteside and limiting the potential of Evans and Casspi.
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by section214 on May 18, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed.
Folks like the idea of rebuilding in concept and are impatient when it leads to losses of the most frustrating variety.
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Don't Sleep on Jordan Hamilton
He’s a SF from Texas and offensively he’s the best SF in the draft … if he can impress in workouts 7 might be a good spot for him .
by Mrchristopher10 on May 18, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions
6-7 220. 38.5% from the 3pt range.
18.6ppg on 44% shooting. Suppose to go around the 18th pick, but I like what I see on paper. I’ll have to see more
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
He would in my opinion be better than Omri and Donte from training camp as he has all the offensive tools a SF could have . He’s a guy I think would fit the offense perfectly .
by Mrchristopher10 on May 18, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like he might lean like Tyreke, and might lack a little on defense
Weaknesses: There is no doubt that he has many talents, but he has not yet found a niche to his game … He is a scorer, but you can’t categorize him as a shooter because he is still somewhat inconsistent, nor as a slasher because his ball handling still needs some tightening … His shooting stroke is smooth and he gets good elevation but his release is off the side of the head and he tends to fade which may be the cause of some of his shooting inconsistencies … At times he tries to do too much on his own and can throw up some ill advised shot, but it is something that should naturally change as he matures … His biggest drawback may be subpar footspeed, especially laterally … At this level he is effective defensively because he can bump the offensive player out of the driving lanes, but when he faces stronger and quicker player he may struggle staying infront of them
Strengths: Very versatile player possessing a strong body … He can comfortably play any position 1 through 4 at the current level, but will eventually settle into a role as a multitalented wing player … He has a variety of moves off the dribble to create space, but he also knows how to use his body to get the defender offbalance … Once he gets into the lane he is very difficult to contain because he can finish in a variety of ways using his strength more so than athleticism … He is a confident shooter and once he gets into a rhythm he can make them in a flurry … As a rebounder he has a great sense of where the ball is going, add in his broad shoulders and leaping ability and you see why he is such a force on the glass … His best asset may be his ability to take the rebound and push the ball in transition, where he makes good reads and delivers the ball to the right spots … Plays with great tenacity and is never afraid of a challenge on the court …
I really like his strengths
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Draft Express profile on him has a paragraph I like
Hamilton’s biggest strengths as an NBA prospect clearly revolve around his terrific scoring instincts and shot-making ability. He has NBA-plus range on his jumper, being absolutely deadly with his feet set, and showing a quick, compact release that allows him to catch the ball and get it off in one swift motion. He’s shooting almost six 3-pointers a game but is making 43% of his attempts, despite the fact that opposing defenses are almost always geared toward stopping him.
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Hamilton can end up alright
Reminds me of Jason Richardson.
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I agree
very smooth from what I saw this year. I’d also add Chris Singleton to the mix. Similar mold to Leonard in he’s a good defender and is developing his offensive game. He’s a bit bigger than both Hamilton and Leonard. Like Hamilton he’s slotted a bit later, but I think all of that is up in the air from 6 to like 20. I really, really like the idea of trading our pick for a vet and a pick in the mid to late teens as we may still be able to pick up Hamilton or Singleton in that range and add a quality vet.
by TTown Kings on May 18, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The other boot, from the same article
Probably the weakest aspect of Hamilton’s game right now is his defensive presence. His fundamentals are extremely poor, as he regularly bites on pump-fakes, gambles for steals, falls down mid-possession, and is very upright in his stance, making it easy for opponents to blow by him. His lateral quickness looks average at best, and his intensity level isn’t very high to compensate for that, as he just isn’t physical enough, and doesn’t seem to take very much pride in shutting down his man.
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When they say lack on defense......
Do they mean, Kevin Martin…. or Beno Udrih?
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
so he's the guy who was guarding Dirk last night?
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he can improve on defense .
With a little work he can become an adequate defender , but would you rather have an extra defender on the floor or a shooter ?
by Mrchristopher10 on May 18, 2011 11:18 AM PDT reply actions
NBA draft lottery is fixed, and you, the Sacramento Kings fans know it!
Kings were my fav. Western conference team for quite some time, and it’s sad to see how the last few months have transpired, but what is more sad is the fact that this franchise has been dealt with blow after blow since moving to Sacramento. You guys should check out (if you haven’t already) a great series of youtube vids made by NFLranking (an avid Kings fan), titled “The Greatest Tragedy in Sports.” What I am glad is that more people are finding out that the NBA draft lottery and certain NBA games are being manipulated by the NBA. This isn’t a conspiracy theory, just go read about professional soccer in most European countries, namely Italy.
I agree with Rik.
The only conspiracy in soccer is that it’s considered a sport. :)
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by pookeyguru on May 18, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
lol
On one hand soccer is growing on me … on the other hand I am a red blooded American. Rec’d.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no problem with most Americans not liking soccer or not realizing it's a sport.
But I hate to break it to you, it’s the most popular sport on the planet, whether you consider it to be one or not, that’s your problem. BTW, there is no conspiracy with soccer, here is the Italian scandal:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Italian_football_scandal
Hate to break it to you..
…but it was a joke.
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by PhutureKings on May 18, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Soccer has a bad rap because our other national sport stole its proper name.
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by sac_faithful on May 18, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Know its a joke
but in my mind “not a sport” is one where you sit the entire time or one that you get better the more you drink (bowling).
My definition of sport is one in which you are legally allowed to knock down your opponent.
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LOL. Nevermind my poor writing attempt there.
What I wanted to say that a couple of years ago, Italian soccer was handed a ban because of a wide spread betting scandal that also included certainl clubs tanking games for money and owners betting on their own clubs. Clubs in England, Serbia, Spain and Germany have also been implicated in recent years.
Unless you have evidence that NBA franchises are tanking games for money and owners are betting on their own clubs
not sure why that is terribly pertinent.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, I am not saying NBA owners are tanking games and betting on their own clubs,
what I am saying is that Stern has deliberately manipulated outcomes of certain NBA games in order to get higher ratings and thus ‘earn’ more money. By inserting soccer in there, I wanted to show you that there are similar problems in the NBA, although nothing has broke out, yet. A lot of people say the 2002 Kings Lakers series was rigged, and the 2000 Blazers Lakers series was rigged, and the 2006 Finals was rigged, 2008 and 2010 Finals were rigged, etc. Look up the Tim Donaghy scandal and his allegations in 2008.
Oh no I actually read Donaghy's book, I know all about his allegations
that doesn’t mean I am taking his word as gospel though (although to be fair, not quite sure if you are either since I don’t really know you).
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll say this
There is a great deal of pressure in the gambling world to fix sporting events and basketball by nature is one of the easier games to fix if one has influence of a ref or a player. I am under no illusions that some bad deeds have taken place in the NBA. Also, Tim Donaghy absolutely not only bet on games but fixed them nomatter what he says.
And that is that.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And perhaps he wrote his book to make money so he can try and get out of the hole he was in.
Here is an interesting post:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/David-Kahn-hints-at-lottery-malfeasance-remains?urn=nba-wp3409
sorry did I miss the part where the Italian soccer league GM made a bad joke about the Italian soccer lottery
or the part where Donaghy made an assertion that the lottery is rigged? Kind of weird how all these theories just kind of get gumbled together.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
It's good to remind the denizens...
….that believing it so does not always make it so.
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why yes it is
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you have it all 'mixed up' together, unless you are trying to mock me.
There was no event where the Italian soccer league GM made a bad joke about the Italian soccer lottery. Donaghy has nothing to do with the Draft Lottery being rigged. It was David Kahn, the current president of bball operations for the T-Wolves who came out swinging after the Cavs won the lottery last night.
Came out swinging?
Or mad a feeble attempt at humor? I guess it all depends on how the tin foil is positioned on a person’s head.
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Gonna admit tinfoil don't work so well up here.
Partly it’s cuz we get a lot of gray sky though. So that is probably Stern’s fault after all.
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okay
wasn’t quite sure how we got from soccer, gambling, Donaghy, to fixing the draft
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
really solid analysis there
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
so basically gambling has been proven to be a huge problem in italian soccer
and we are talking among the owners and franchises too.
And it is quite clear that an NBA ref was fixing and betting on games and making assertions about the league being in on it with very little corrobative proof that can hold up to scrutiny.
Thus, it is implied that the NBA fixed this lottery. Granted we have zero clue if it has anything to do with gambling and we can’t explain the weird pattern of teams winning the top 3 slots with anything other then “Oh they lost their best player a year ago” but darn it there must be a there there because it’s there
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Less and less people follow the NBA.
Why are there so few teams that win championships?
Because the NBA hasn't allowed for cloning of Dwight Howard Derrick Rose and LeBron James.
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Because the league is a superstar driven league
If you have one of the best players and surround him properly, championships follow. This has proven true with Magic, Bird, Jordan, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe…and there are the bulk of your championships over the past 25 years.
I don’t see where any of this attaches to your claims of fixation, but rail on.
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Jordan flu game, all a lie
the league told him to take PCP hoping he’d destroy the league that year. Just happened to run out before that game but the league got lucky they won. 24 hours later, a new perscription was ready and everything went according to plan. MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So why not just have a 6 team league then?
That way you can have 72 of the best players play each other often and you will have best possible games and people would be intrigued.
What a great idea!
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
interesting question I suppose
that being said though, certaintly not evidence of a conspiracy
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Or have a two team league
That way you can nut it down to the 24 best players, and just have them play each other all the time. And you know what? At the end, there will be yayhoos from the loser’s side that will be convinced that the whole thing was fixed. So I guess the only true solution is to name the 12 best players to one team and just hand them the championship.
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by section214 on May 18, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can yahoo better than your yahoo.
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Ya, but can you do it while drinking Yohoo!
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Yooohooooooooooooooooooooo!
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what rabbit hole are you going down?
how does this have any baring on anything. You keep moving into the completely off subject and irrelevant.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do people not believe in the reply button?
Douché!
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by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
poignant
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't be a fool wrap your tool.
No really, use a condom. I’m afraid if you breed you’ll dilute the gene pool worse than it already is.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
how is that a rebutal to what section said
might as well say “Well I like icecream”
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Paranoid and schizo
Goes together like peanut butter and jelly.
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by section214 on May 18, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
By the way
what is the proof that the lottery last night was rigged? The actual proof that last night specifically was rigged.
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by wallywagon11 on May 18, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
If the lottery is rigged..
…why wasn’t it rigged for the Bulls when they got Derrick Rose? Wouldn’t that make Jerry Reinsdorf a co-conspirator?
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Just look at that face -
What more proof do you need?!?
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Just curious
If the NBA rigs things for the Clippers, why didn’t they get John Wall after getting Blake Griffin?
Oh, and yes, by all means, help the child who may not be around to experience all of Kyrie Irving’s career. Assuming Irving’s career lasts that long.
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I figured they rigged it because they felt bad about Lebron leaving
Not because of the Kid.
by HeuristicLineup on May 18, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm old enough to remember
watching them fake the Moon landings – live ;p
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by lietothegirls on May 18, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd like to see...
An upgrade—even a potential one—at small forward. At our draft position, that means Leonard.
This is true if you accept the following:
-Our backcourt is looking damn good right now. Tyreke and Thornton, with Beno off the bench, led us to a 9-9 finish at the end of the season.-Cisco. New blood may be the key to either kicking our two youngsters in the ass or replacing one of them.
—We already know what Cisco, Omri, and Donte are capable of; Donte may or may not improve that shooting stroke; Omri will probably never have a midrange game beyond throwing up wild floaters; Cisco is…well
—Dally needs to be re-signed, and Biyombo is not even close to a replacement for him right now.
Alternately;
Trade our current pick, a top-five protected 2013 pick plus Cisco, Omri or Donte to Minnie for their #2. Worst Case scenario there is we walk away with Irving, rather than Williams. They’re already talked about trading their pick, and I think two less-than-ideal first rounders plus a young talent (or veteran) would get them to give it up. The top two players in the draft are a Point Guard and a Small Forward, both positions of which have already been more or less filled on the Minnie roster by Beasley (whom Williams has drawn comparison to) and Flynn/Rubio.
…Plus, this is Kahn we’re dealing with.
I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues. To the logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to underestimate one’s self is as much a departure from truth as to exaggerate one’s own powers.
--Holmes, on Modesty
...
…none of that was supposed to be stricken out.
I cannot agree with those who rank modesty among the virtues. To the logician all things should be seen exactly as they are, and to underestimate one’s self is as much a departure from truth as to exaggerate one’s own powers.
--Holmes, on Modesty
by Donovan Jeska on May 18, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Rubio may never play in the NBA and Flynn is horrible
Even if they had 2 all star pgs he might draft another. If williams was to go #1 (can’t rule that out) khan could easily take irving.
Maybe he just wants to trade the pick cuz he’s realized he’ll just fuck it up anyway.
by lchristmas on May 18, 2011 3:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Tom Cat....tell
Jeffery to break all disbandment of best next overall player at 7 and draft or trade for
best small i.e., solid 333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
33333. OR Package all 2011 picks-5 million & give them what’s his name to get
1 – 2 or 3 pick-your choice! e.g., lucky 7 tipster (code)
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