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The Nina, The Pinta and The Santa Maria, 519 Years Later (Or, The Euro Players Of The 2011 NBA Draft)
(Editor's note - From the FanPosts, a little Euro knowledge.)
I wanted to share with you all I know about the European players that will be in this year draft weeks ago, but the work I'm doing on my thesis is draining every little second of my free time, so I'm going to write this thing now that I can.
Before I begin, I apologize for every error you may find in my writing. English is not my natural language, so, consider you warned.
Jonas Valanciunas (19 years old, 6' 11", 240 lbs, Lithuania, PF/C): I have decided to start with Valanciunas because he is, by far, my favourite prospect from this group of players. I've seen him the first time during a Euroleague match against the best italian team, Montepaschi Siena (Siena finished 3rd in the Final Four) and he surprised me a lot, because I hadn't heard a lot on him until then, so I took every chance I had to see him again (always in the Euroleague), and I think I can say I have a good idea about the type of player he is. First, he sure is too thin to be as effective in the NBA as he is in Europe now, but he is very big, with a gargantuan wingspan, and I think he can easily add some more weight and muscle to his frame.He is skilled. A lot. Even if he is light years far in terms of development, he reminded me a lot Pau Gasol in terms of basketball IQ and body control in the paint. He lacks at this level the post moves to be an offensive force, but, in my opinion, he could easily become a constant low-post threat in future years. He is quite active on the offensive board, is a very good free throw shooter (89% in the Euroleague) and he never tries to force when he recognize a bad situation. On defense he is very active, a good rebounder, with good quickness and lenght. He is very athletic and, if he manages to add more weight, I can see him being a Joakim Noah-type of player on defense, while having a lot more potential than Noah's on offense.
Other than this, I must say I love the way he plays, with a lot of energy. He clearly loves to play, and that's a quality you can never enjoy too much in a player. His young age leads him to some mistake here and there, but, on an experienced and famous team such as Lyetuvos Rytas, you could clearly see that he was the best player on the court, and his team clearly lost a step or two when he wasn't on the court. I don't think he'll be there for the Kings to pick at 7, but if he will and GP decides to pick him, I would be very happy.
Donatas Motiejunas (20 years old, 7'0", 215 lbs, Lithuania,PF): Going on with the Lithuanian prospects, here come Donatas Motiejunas, the secret, unconfessable dream of our Aykis. Jokes aside, I must say I'm totally with Aykis on him. I don't think he'll be a bust, and I actually watched him a lot this year (he plays in Italy for Benetton Treviso), but, still, I don't see how he could fit on our roster. Last season he kind of disappointed scouts, so he wisely chose to remain in Europe one more season before declaring, and I must say he really took the chance to improve a lot this year.
Since the beginning of the season he took the lead of his team, and he was quite a good leader, bringing Benetton to the 5th place in the Italian league, with averages of 13 points (55% from 2, 44% from 3, 72% free-throw) and a constant offensive presence. He refined his outside game, and he also learned to improve his low and high post game. I must say he is one of the better player I've seen playing a pick & roll in Europe in recent years, and he could really become devastating in the NBA with the right system.
This said, he'll never be a good rebounder and defender, and there's very little that can be done about this. It seems like he decides to not give a damn about defending most of the time, and his body language on defense is quite a mess. If i should compare him to an NBA player, I could put a poor-man Dirk on him on the offensive side, and a Bargnani on defense, and that's not good.At all.
Jan Vesely (21 years old, 6' 11", 240 lbs, Czech Republic, SF/PF): In 4 words: Worst Shooting Andrei Kirilenko. Like Motiejunas, Vesely decided to remove his name from last year's draft, but unlike the Lithuanian, he started the season horribly, shooting bricks and doing badly overall. He started to put it all together halfway through the season, and he clearly showed why he is considered an NBA prospect.
Vesely has got nice all-around skills, with elite athleticism, good defense and rebounding, good quickness and good offensive intelligence. He clearly isn't a good shooter for a small forward (33% from 3-pt range,, 43% from free-throw line), and that's why I don't think he would be a nice fit for the Kings, but he clearly can be an useful player in the right team. I don't see him being able to play constantly as a power forward but, with the right mismatches, he clearly has the lenght to play that position. I don't think he'll be a starter in the NBA, but he could have a nice career as energy guy/defender from the bench.
Nikola Mirotic (20 years old, 6' 10", 210 lbs, Montenegro, PF): Playing little minutes all season long, Mirotic was clearly the most important player on his team, Real Madrid, this year, while starting the season as a garbage time player. Real Madrid faced a difficult season, with coach Ettore Messina quitting during the season, but they still managed to reach the Final Four in the Euroleague (finishing 4th after losing to Maccabi and Montepaschi Siena), and Mirotic played a fundamental role in this.
Mirotic is a power forward who'll need to add more weight to be able to defend his position in the NBA and who is still a few years from being able to contribute at the next level, but still he has remarkable skills, with a nice touch which extends out to the 3-pt range (39% shooter from distance, 56% from 2-pt range, 86% from the free-throw line), nice defensive skills (0.5 blocks in 15 minutes of play) and a very nice talent in playing pick & roll situations, both as a spot-up shooter and cutting to the basket. If he'd be still on board when the Kings pick in the 2nd round, I think he could be a good choice, but the best thing at that point should be leaving him to play in Europe a few more seasons (he also has a 2 millions buyout clause) to improve and develop his skills.
There are some more european players in this draft, such as Bismack Biyombo (he's not european, but he played in Spain) and Davis Bertans, but I never saw them in action, so I'm not able to tell anything on them.
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Love the Joakim Noah comparison for Valanciunas
He basically plays like a super thin version of him.
As for Mirotic, I don’t believe he declared for the draft this year. He’s got a big buyout.
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It's true
but I can see Valanciunas leapfrog Noah in terms of offensive skills.
Last I knew, Mirotic was in the draft, but I may be wrong.
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by Panzerfaust on May 19, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
If he is in the draft
I’d be all for taking him at #35 if he’s available and stashing him in Europe for a year or two. But I don’t think he is, I think he’s next year, where he’ll likely be Top Euro in the draft.
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Thanks for the analysis Panzerfaust
I didn’t really know too much about the European prospects this year, but you’ve certainly piqued my interest in Valanciunas. I’m gonna do some more research as a result. Rec’d.
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by Panzerfaust on May 19, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree
Hawes was a guard for a good portion of his life, until he grew and moved inside. The issue with Hawes was that his game seemed to be built from the outside-in. Valanciunas, on the other hand has virtually no perimeter game, and he has always been a post player.
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Sorry, I should have clarified
He reminds me of Hawes in build and appearance on the court. I wasn’t comparing their games.
Valanciunas has little comparison to Hawes
Motiejunas on the other hand, is basically a malnourished Hawes with less fire/passion.
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Either way the only Euro Big I would consider at 7 is Kanter
or Biyombo(if you consider him Euro).
Otherwise I’d go with a guard like Walker, Knight or Jimmer.
One of those 5 players WILL be available. I doubt Kanter would though.
I have a hard time seeing Kanter slip past the Cavs at 4.
Get best guard and best big in the draft.
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Talk about fighting words!
Tell us how you really feel Aykis!
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 19, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Great work Panzerfaust.
With all of the top notch U.S. born player pulling out of this draft, the Euro’s are going to fill up the top ten out of default. I guess the one good thing about that is most of these guys have been in the draft previously and pulled out so NBA executives might have already fallen in love with one or two of these guys. I don;t think the Kings are one of those teams because none of these players are pure shooting wings which is usually what Petrie has looked for. Of the group, I see Montiejunas as the only real option for the Kings and that is because of his BB IQ. The problem with Montiejunas is motor and I’m not sure that you want that around a young team. I could also see Montiejunas getting beaten down in practice against the Kings physical bigs.
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What good is a high BBIQ if he lacks the motor and drive to take advantage of it?
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by caseycheesecake on May 19, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Passing skills.
There are a lot of non-motor guys who are effective because of BB IQ. He won’t be a great defender or rebounder but it would be nice to have a player that you could run the offense through off the bench or from the high post with Cousins in the block. You have to look at these players long term and with some weight and different coaching, Montiejunas might put it all together.
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He would be a great fit next to Cuz
if he can get his act together. 220 lbs??!
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by caseycheesecake on May 19, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
And fit next to Reke for his outside shooting.
It’d be nice if we can have Cuz posting up, Reke looking to drive, and Donatas, Omri/Garcia/SF, and Thornton waiting to knock down the 3.
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by caseycheesecake on May 19, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like he is a thin Boris Diaw
It’s not that they (Diaw, Bargniani, Bellinelli, Fernandez, and long ago, Kukoc) don’t want to play defense it looks like it just never occurs to them as anything other than a way to start an offensive play.
by betweentheeyes on May 19, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
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by caseycheesecake on May 20, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
No kidding
Reke weighs 220.
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Valanciunas would be a better fit than Motiejunas in my opinion
Kanter is better than both of them as of right now, but he won’t be available in all likelihood, and also might not be a good fit next to Cousins.
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Kanter looks like Scola or Zaza Puchulia IMO.
More Puchulia and I just don’t excited about a player like that. He might be skilled but that was against no one and it was in super slow-mo.
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you talking about the video from the other day or something today?
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by wallywagon11 on May 19, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
when talking about being super slow-mo
if it’s the video from the other day, I am really not sure how much you could gleen from that either way to be honest.
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by wallywagon11 on May 19, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The video on Draft Express.
His foot work is sluggish. His moves are too text book, almost mechanical. He is too stiff through the hips. I just don’t see it translating. He will be a 9-12 man in my opinion and his best case scenario is breaking the back end of the rotation.
I would prefer to gamble on athleticism or crazy size instead. This is a really bad draft- no way around it. I would trade the pick without even batting an eye. What does it get you? If I have to draft, after the top 2, I could deal with Knight or Walker just because I think there is a need and if they are gone and Montiejunas is available, he seems to have the most upside. He could also be just another Euro washout.
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by jjham15 on May 19, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Id trade the pick in a blink of an eye as well. I dont think there is anyone at 7 who can helps us signifigantly in next year or two, or who has star potential
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 19, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
From what little I see, and based on whom we consider successful
from previous #7 draft picks, we need to pick the best scorer available. Someone who can create their own shot and flat out shoot/finish.
That gives him the best chance to make the rotation and earn regular minutes and it prevents our team’s offense from stagnating while our starters sit. I think with this draft (and at #7 no less) drafting a player who has a decent all-round game or great defense over someone who can just score (even at the expense of defense) is a mistake.
Defense is important in the playoffs – and that’s something we can worry about in a few years. Draft the best offensive weapon on the board.
I’m beginning to like Jimmer and Burks for 7th.
This.
This is a very different draft.
Outside of Williams @ #2, do you see any other first year starters out of this group? This is the worst draft I have seen in all the years that I have studied the draft. The potential lockout really screwed things up.
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Yep.
It would’ve looked a lot better had guys like Barnes/ Perry and Terrence / Sullinger had stayed in.
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Oh, you mean the guys that were projected at the top all year
I am bummed T. Jones pulled out now that we have 7th pick, although I still would have wanted to trade it
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 20, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
The kids are being smart IMO
Would really suck to come out get drafted 10th and have to sit through a lockout.
by Kfan in Korea on May 21, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
agree
Centers that might be available to the kings at 7th that I think would fit in well with the players we have, albiet in different ways.
1. Enes Kanter
2. Biyombo (spelling? you know the guy from Congo)
3. Montejunas
by Chad Schafer on May 19, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Motiejunas is not a center.
And never will be, I’d add.
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great post...
definite rec’d.
increased my knowledge of these players exponentially!
Thanks for posting, there’s really no substitute for getting to see these guys in game action.
Thanks for the writeup Panz.
And, to your note of poor English, I can safely say your English is better than 98% (at a bare minimum) of this sites’ ability to read and write in Italian. So, there is that.
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Thats lol worthy
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by KingsFanInPortland on May 19, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It is. I certainly chuckled.
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I always have fun scouting a little the euro guys for StR!
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That was a nice write up
Usually ive done some more studyin of draft by now, but its never easy getting good info on the Euros.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 19, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Great writeup
I know next to nothing about most of these players (yet I reserve the right to spout off about them), so thanks for providing the info.
Nice read. I'm not really a draft guy so I need as much info about these players. Thanks.
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Have to agree. I don't follow college or euro ball much so this sort of stuff is great.
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Agreed Great Post
I’m starting to see Jonas Valanciunas as the best big man in this draft. He has more potential than any of them except Bismack Biyombo, but he is more likely to reach his IMO. He works hard and that is a trait that is going to translate well in this league. His game is much more similar to the American style than that of the European game. He doesn’t shoot jumpers or not play defense and rebound.He is a Marc Gasol esque player. He’s young and in 2-3 years, I think he’ll easily be the best big man of this draft.Stash him in Europe another season and have him fill out his frame and he’ll be ready to go.
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The problem with that is....
Through trade or pick, I want the 7 to equate something for us this year.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 19, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I like euro bigs this year
I think Jan Vesely is the best fit for the Kings at SF. He can shoot the 3, block shots on the weakside and hustles, hes a high energy player that could help out immediatly and will not require alot of touches as he gets alot of his points on ally oops and broken plays.
Of the euro centers I like Montejunas, as he can play the high post like Divac used to and dish pases to Cousins, out to the three pt line, or make a 15 footer all day long. He could stretch the defense and get Cousins more 1v1 coverage and create wide open 3s for the wing guys.
I think Vesely can do a lot
of those things right now, but sincerely, I don’t see him outplaying Casspi or Greene for the Kings. He shoot worse than those players, and he’s godawful at the free throw line.
As I said before, Motiejunas is not a center. The only center in the league he could defend could be Channing Frye, even Bargnani would be too strong phisically for him.
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The nice thing about Vessey is that he wont get that many touches, hes a hustle player, so it creates more oppt for Counsins, Evans and Thorton to spam shots like they like to.
by Chad Schafer on May 20, 2011 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm coming around to him too.
So what if he’s 220 pounds right now? He’ll get stronger.
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by caseycheesecake on May 20, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks Panzer
Really appreciate the write up. Haven’t seen any of these guys and have only read some stuff. Now I know what to pay attention to while looking at tape.
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Jason Thompson and DeMarcus Cousins are PFs also but that never stopped the kings from playing them at C. Montejunas is also actually 7" tall unlike DeMarcus or Thompson.
It's not a matter of how tall he is
Is a matter of how he is phisically built. He couldn’t defend any NBA center right now, he would be abused in the post.
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Actually I am pretty sure JT has been doing better at the center position then he was playing at PF. I know there was a discussion about this in the last year..Most power forwards are just to quick for him.
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I think so as well
I think he does a good job at C
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 20, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Durant is 7'0 tall
Would you play him at Center?
Now take away Durant’s killer stroke and athleticism and you’d have someone who is still probably better than Motiejunas.
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brrrrrr.....
just cold, Aykis
Now take away Durant’s killer stroke and athleticism and you’d have someone who is still probably better than Motiejunas.
by betweentheeyes on May 20, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
how about Motiejunas is this year’s Austin Daye?
by betweentheeyes on May 20, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Well even then
Austin Daye sucks and hasn’t done anything since being drafted
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Durant is not 7ft tall, more like 6’9, and if that fool could grab rebounds and block shots and was 7ft tall sure. Remember Mutumbo? He looked like a stick figure but lead the league in blocks, Marcus Camby, I could go on and on with skinny centers who did well in the NBA.
by Chad Schafer on May 21, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Durant is listed as 6'9" but watch him next time hes next to Dirk.
KD is a 7 footer or pretty damn close.
also Motiejunas is way skinnier than Camby. Camby’s natural position is the 4 anyways, and did you really just compared Motiejunas to a former DPOY? Really?
The smarter you are, the more likely you are to be tripping balls at any given moment.
Trade for Ramon Sessions!
He's taller than 6'9
Just watch him in games. The guy shoots over everybody that guards him.
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These type of posts are why I love StR and the internet in general. First hand observations of these guys is hard enough to get, but we also get the analysis of how these guys would or wouldn’t fit with the Kings. I loved it.
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by Exhibit G on May 21, 2011 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Glad you enjoyed it!
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by Panzerfaust on May 21, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions

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