NBA Draft: Brandon Knight 'Won't Get Past Kings' At No. 7, Says Ford
by Tom Ziller on May 23, 2011 10:36 AM PDT
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Brandon Knight rose his NBA Draft stock at the combine last week, and ESPN's Chad Ford reports that the Kentucky point guard "won't get past the Kings at No. 7." He might not be there, however; Ford indicates that Knight looks to be ahead of UConn guard Kemba Walker should the Utah Jazz take a point guard at No. 3. But Jazz general manager Kevin O'Connor is an avowed follower of the "best player available" rule, and Enes Kanter is entering the conversation for No. 2, let alone No. 3.
A few more Ford tidbits, though I'd advise you to sign up for Insider to read the whole thing, even if just for the next couple months:
* The top of Jordan Hamilton's range is No. 7. He's a scoring small forward; that's a need position, but not necessarily a need role.
* There are some interesting notes but no Kings mention regarding Tobias Harris, the Tennessee forward. He measured out at small forward, and his camp insists he's best at three. He fashions himself a point forward. Could be an intriguing match for Sacramento.
* Kings among the dozen teams who could talk to the Wolves about Derrick Williams at No. 2. Do the Kings have anything Minnesota would want?
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JT and Donte for the number 2 pick
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by 'tough as nails' spence on May 23, 2011 10:43 AM PDT reply actions
a year ago YES
I like how JT finished the season way too much to quit on him now.
I think he’s a great rotation player to have now.
Donte on the other hand, I could live without.
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by Nutterball on May 23, 2011 10:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
With the 7th pick or without it?I would not give up all of em just for him..7 and Donte sure, 7 and Casspi sure, but not 7 Donte and JT..Hell I would give up Donte, Casspi and 7 for #2 spot
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I'd do JT, Donte, & 7
I think JT is good. I also think we can get any number of PFs in free agency who are as good. Donte would be replaced by Williams and we’d still have Casspi.
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I see Williams still playing more of a SF role then PF, and honestly I think Couz playing next to Dalembert is better off for our starting PF. Dont get me wrong I love Williams for this team, but I think its a bit of an overvalue there for him. Omri and #7 me thinks is just about right..besides with Beasley, Milicic, Pekovic, Love, Randolph all under contract why do they want JT?
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I would consider JT & 7
I like JT and don’t feel compelled to trade him. However, I trust Petrie and if he feels Williams can be a star SF, I would trade a back up PF and a pick for a star any day of the week. With the cap space we have, a backup big can be procured.
Stars win in the NBA. Not role players. So yes, I would clench my teeth and pull the trigger.
And what happens if Dalembert doesn’t resign..JT isn’t your back up hes your starting
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Then we sign someone else
Stars win in the NBA. You accumulate them whenever you can even if you overpay slightly. You don’t want to mortgage your entire team, but if kills me when marginal players prevent great moves (Kleiza preventing the Nuggs from getting Artest, Hickson preventing Cavs from getting Stoudamire, Mozgov almost holding up the Anthony deal).
I love JT, but he can be replaced. If Williams is a star, that is much harder to find.
Who can we replace JT with?
Please give names. I know of no one who is as good as him that will be a FA this year outside of Sammy.
I know we're gonna lose but I still think we're gonna win.
That we are not gonna heavily overpay for…and thats a If Williams is a star..As far as i see there is 1 star in this draft (Irving) , a couple possible stars (Jimmer, williams) and a lot of serviceable players
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Cmon
how can u see jimmer a star befor kimba walker… I can compare walker to inverson & a whole lot of other stars, jimmer is an outstanding shooter & all but walker is going to be a way better player… U guys watch & see, I like jimmer but I think alot of peps are sleeping on my boy Kemba that crossover is so inverson like it’s scary yall…. If we get this dude it will be the steal of the draft…. The dude is a flat out winner & won that uconn Squad a chip…. I’m tellin u the dude is raw.
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on May 23, 2011 3:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Look
Frankly it’s not too important to me. If we get someone who gives us 75% of what Thompson does we are better off with a star.
Big Baby, Josh McRoberts, Chandler, Hayes, Humphries, Turiaf, Duncan (kidding), T. Young
I don't think that gets it done.
I know we’re talking about Kahn, but Donte isn’t an asset to other teams, and JT is an average backup PF. I like ‘em both a lot, but I don’t expect other teams to.
by Tom Ziller on May 23, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
* Kings among the dozen teams who could talk to the Wolves about Derrick Williams at No. 2. Do the Kings have anything Minnesota would want?
If they want a veteran leader, Cisco would fit the bill. Casspi might be good for them.
I see the 2 and 5 as being the biggest needs in Minnesota.
Assuming Rubio signs to be their PG(lol).
Next year's 1st round pick
The Wolves don’t have a 1st round pick next year. Speculation is Kahn badly needs a 1st round pick next year to sell the fan base on a continuing rebuilding process. Cannot sell that pitch without a draft pick.
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A team betting they aren’t in the lottery and want to move up to the #2 pick.
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by bignerd on May 23, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Idea
1)Trade the #7 and our 1st rounder next year to Khan for their #2 pick. Khan does not have a 1st rounder for next year.
2)Trade the #2 pick and Casspi to Philly for Iggy and their 2012 1st rounder or to Indiana for Granger and their 2012 first rounder.
/ Wondering if I should change my signature
Dont think we need to get to #2 to get Iggy, just clear some of their payroll, #7 and Casspi would so it
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Also, I heard you can't trade first round picks two years in row somewhere on here...
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
You can, as long as you receive one back.
And it cannot be protected.
/ Wondering if I should change my signature
I think Minnie may be a team interested in Beno
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by lietothegirls on May 23, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't see why.
Do you think that because he’s a veteran?
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That, and a competant PG of which they have none
with only two seasons left on his contract, Rubio or not . . .
Not that I think they’d do it straight up, but they need a Team man. I don’t rally see what they have to trade that would net them a class A vet.
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by lietothegirls on May 23, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They could probably cut out the middle man in my proposal above.
And just deal their #2 pick for Iggy or Granger straight up.
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I just don't believe Granger is available
And keep your hands off my IGGY!
(gigity-gigity)
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by lietothegirls on May 23, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They have Ridnour.
Not comparing Ridnour to Beno but they are kind of redundant.
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Yep.
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Well if Derrick could really play the 4 (and he measured taller and longer than Love or Griffin)
I’d think that would make JT expendable in a trade, not to mention the fact that Williams could play in a big lineup at the 3 as well.
I don’t know what I’d offer though.
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Ford also mentions that Knight will have a hard time slipping past Toronto
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Kanter and Favors frontcourt
would be very nice going forward (and complementary). Millsap can play next to either, so that’s a great three man rotation. I think they go Kanter.
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And then go for Jimmer at 12.
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What about Jefferson?
Wouldn’t that be a crowded front court?
by SacramentoSteve on May 23, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Damn I forgot about Jefferson.
Probably should trade him anyway.
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And Okur with AK able to be resigned.
Okur is on the hook for one more year. AK is still in play there. That front court is rather full. I would take Millsap off of their hands in a heartbeat.
Image a bench featuring Millsap and Thornton? Buckets!
by IDunkedOnceInHS on May 23, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
If you ever try to build around Al Jefferson..
….you are dumb.
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Does that make Al Jeff expendeable?
Al Jefferson for Iguodala could make a lot of sense for both teams.
But they have Hawes?
Kidding. That would be interesting. Thought Brand/Jefferson would be a small front line.
They would then have a Jefferson/Brand frontcourt.
Not great.
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by caseycheesecake on May 23, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't see Philly doing Al Jefferson for Andre Iguodala.
Not enough talent coming back Philly’s way.
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Right
Because isn’t Philly looking for cap room?
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 23, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah possibly.
Who knows what they are looking for though? I mean really, that’s unknown. I still hope the Kings can get in there with a realistic offer, but we’ll see.
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Yep, I can see others passing on Knight but not the Jazz
Hopefully the Jazz has Fredette Fever.
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by Bambooozled on May 23, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
The only scenario I see to get Knight fall to #7
Cleveland drafts Irving at #1.
Utah drafts Katner at #3
Cleveland keeps pick and doesn’t pull a Kahn by drafting another PG (probably a big)
Toronto decides to take Walker over Knight (why? dont know)
Kahn's Price Too High
Kahn’s going to ask for too much in return for the number 3 pick and I’d love for the Kings to get Brandon Knight but don’t think it will happen without jinxes, curses or hocus pocus.
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^ #2 pick ?
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
But doesn't Kahn = jinxes, curses or hocus pocus. What else could explain his draft picks?
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Wolves Are A Mess
Who knows what they will want. They have a ton of SFs so sending Cisco and/or Casspi along with #7 makes no sense to most of us, but it may to Kahn.
If GP really feels that D-Will is the man for us and can play the 3, then I am good making a move. Otherwise, let’s see how it shakes out and take someone of value at #7 and keep on building toward the playoffs.
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What do you expect from the victim of jinxes, curses or hocus pocus.
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by Bambooozled on May 23, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Do the Kings have anything Minnesota would want?
Geoff Petrie?
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 23, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Paul Westphal?
Tyreke Evans? DeMarcus Cousins? Jason Thompson? Marcus Thornton? Omri Casspi?
I see us as having stuff Minnesota would want. But I don’t see them as having stuff we’d want really. I’d trade them the #7 pick for Wes Johnson in a heartbeat though.
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at least not enough to get anything back
same with Casspi, would assume they would rather just keep Webster and Wesley
by wallywagon11 on May 23, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Hypothetical thought
Assume the Wolves take Williams in order to extract max value.
Would you wait for the new CBA to SnT Thornton to the Wolves for Williams(someone like Webster and/or Flynn might need to come along for salary)
I wouldn't deal Thornton.
What he provides is hard to find. Wings are a dime a dozen and I’m not sold Williams is a true wing.
The world is not your Trade Machine.
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by jjham15 on May 23, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Wolves don't need a big man
The have Love, Beasley, Randolph and Milicic and even Wesley Johnson. The Wolves need a 2 guard in the worst way.
I think the Wolves would want Tyreke Evans for the #2 pick. I just don’t see the Kings being in the chase for the #2 pick. The Wolves, IMO are looking for someone like Granger or Iguodala. They maybe willing to do a salary dump with Philadelphia like a #2 for Iggy swap or perhaps throw Martell Webster or one of their bigs (maybe Millicic).
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Unless Kings were interested in moving Tyreke
I have a hard time seeing how they grab the 2 spot from the Wolves.
by wallywagon11 on May 23, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
"Do the Kings have anything Minnesota would want?"
We have point guards – Enough said
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
they have 20 of them
all mediocre, sadly.
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on May 23, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno what you are talking about. That Lawson guy they drafted a few years ago is pretty damn good if you ask me
Oh wait …
by wallywagon11 on May 23, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And Brandon Roy was a good pickup for them
Oh wait …
by VenomySnicket on May 23, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hate to defend Kahn but
Denver told the T-Wolves to draft Ty since that pick was being traded. It’s not like Kahn wanted Ty and then decided to trade him, it was already planned.
I know there was more to it
I seem to recall though technically (and does not change your point at all) that Kahn actually called Denver’s bluff actually.
by wallywagon11 on May 23, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong Wildcat in the Pic
That’s a picture of Terrance Jones, not Brandon Knight.
by KingsZagsAthleticsRaiders on May 23, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
Smokescreen!
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by Aykis16 on May 23, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Glen Taylor just said the Wolves most likely will keep the pick
and others are reporting that the Wolves are asking for the moon for the #2 pick (might as well I guess, if they really do plan on keeping it, in case someone actually bites).
Keeping the #2 pick is probably the smartest decision.
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Your last sentence proves Khan will trade the pick.
/ Wondering if I should change my signature
by kwill on May 23, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
What else are they going to say?
If they want to trade it, they’ll say that to drive up the market value.
I don't think that we are a trade partner with Minnesota
I think that they are looking for what we are looking for – viable veteran talent. I see nothing on our roster that gives them the veteran talent that they would likely be seeking with the #2 pick.
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As I said above
I could ‘possibly’ see them trading #2 for #7 and Beno. Then they draft a Biyombo to get more athletic.
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by lietothegirls on May 23, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You don't think that they can do better than Beno for the #2?
The #7 will hold little appeal for them – they want vets – that’s why they’re shopping the #2.
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They get a vet Point guard who is better than anyone they have
get the #7 to add some talent – and then still have cap space to add a FA.
I don’t pretend to read anyone’s mind but Kahn needs to start winning some games or he’s done as a GM.
Is the #2 in this draft going to get you a top shelf vet? But I was just throwing it out there as I’ve always thought Beno would be excellent in any facsimile of a triangle offense.
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by lietothegirls on May 23, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
They get a guard who is (at best) fair value, and a draft pick when they really aren't looking for a draft pick
Simply, I think that the #2 pick is worth more than Beno Udrih and the #7 pick.
I’m going to throw a dart and say that there are 100 players in the NBA that currently are either better or have more value in relation to their contract than Beno Udrih. Some of those guys are probably available for the #2 pick.
For what Minnesota is looking for (viable veteran talent that is the value of the #2 pick), we are not good trade partners.
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But they do have to have a pick this year, unless they replace the pick for next year.
/ Wondering if I should change my signature
You're off your rocker if you think Beno is enough to get the Wolves to trade the #2 pick
And I mean that in the kindest way.
Especially since they already have Luke Ridnour, who is Beno-like. It’d be a hard sell to get the Timberwolves to trade the #20 pick for Beno. There is no upside there.
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I think Beno
is much better than Luke, but you’re all probably right and I was just dreamin’.
Hey, it’s that time of year.
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by lietothegirls on May 23, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone have a complete list of the 18 the Kings interviewed?
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Looking back through the Fanshots
Derrick Williams, Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Kawhi Leonard, Jimmer Fredette, Alec Burks, Norris Cole, Nolan Smith, Tristan Thompson, Klay Thompson, Josh Selby, Nikola Vucevic, Kyle Singler, JaJuan Johnson, Travis Leslie, Marshon Brooks and Cory Joseph
That comes out to 17 so I don’t know if I’m missing someone.
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by Aykis16 on May 23, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
That would’ve been reported. I believe he only interviewed with Minnesota, Cleveland and Washington. He blew off Utah, Toronto and Milwaukee, although later promised an interview and workout with Utah.
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Is that Lil Bow Wow in "Like Mike"?
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by caseycheesecake on May 23, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
reply fail.
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by caseycheesecake on May 23, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Knight going in the top 7 isn't exactly a Nostrodamas
but of course the euro workout soon will tumble the applecart a bit I think. Vesely and Biyombo could jump up a spot or three.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
Exactly.
For the record, Kyrie Irving won’t make it past the Kings at the 7th pick.
by KingsZagsAthleticsRaiders on May 23, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
haha Knight
Would make this team OH so much better! Having Thornton in Benos role; So we package Beno/7th/Greene for a top 4 pick?
I really don't think Udrih has any value
Clarifying, I think that he is a viable NBA player and would be a good 6th man for a lot of teams. But he does not have value in excess of his contract. I could see a contending team parting with a late 1st round pick for Beno (cap space notwithstanding), but I don’t see any of these lottery teams thinking that Beno Udrih and our pick as being the answer to their problems.
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This.
Plus Beno is a damn good player for the Kings and trading him doesn’t necessarily get you better value.
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had this idea awhile back
Sac trades the 7 pick, Garcia and next years 1 to Utah. They take Jimmer at 7
Minnesota give the 2 pick to Sac
Utah deals Millsap and Harris to Minnesota
I agree no way we get the 2 pick directly, needs and rosters just dont match up
No way with next years stacked class would i be willing to give up a 1st this year and next year for any player on this board unless we know for sure we are gonna not be in the lottery
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lottery protected
maybe top 5 protected next year, unprotected the next. But yea, I have to think this team is gonna be out of the lottery eventually
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