NBA Mock Draft: DraftExpress Moves To Kawhi Leonard, SBNation Takes Brandon Knight
We have some NBA Mock Draft movement this week. On Monday, DraftExpress updated its mock. A week ago, immediately after the lottery, DX had Congolese big man Bismack Biyombo heading to the Sacramento Kings. Now, after the draft combine, it's San Diego State forward Kawhi Leonard.
Biyombo is still on the board in DX's mock scenario, but both Brandon Knight (No. 3, Utah) and Kemba Walker (No. 5, Toronto) gone.
I also put out a new mock draft at SBNation.com today. Last week, I had Leonard as the Kings' pick at No. 7. This time, Knight, the Kentucky point guard, makes it to No. 7.
Interestingly enough, Sean Deveney of Sporting News also lands Knight on the Kings. Here's his explanation:
The Kings will keep G Tyreke Evans at shooting guard, so they are in the market for a point guard.
I continue to think the positional designations on Evans do more to obscure the Kings' situation than reveal it, but that's neither here nor there. Sacramento is clearly considering adding a point guard -- Geoff Petrie said as much in his most recent interview with Jason Jones -- and there's a possibility one will be available at No. 7. If it's Knight, Chad Ford has reported the Kings will take him. If it's Walker? We'll see.
As I write in the SBNation.com mock: it's all about which way the Jazz go at No. 3. Big man (Enes Kanter, Jonas Valanciunas) or point guard (Knight, Walker)?
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I think Knight falling to us
is the best case scenario; Evans/Beno/Thornton are all Combo guards Knight is a combo guard Knight/Evans together works together…..Both are Long/tall/can get to the rack at will/are willing passers/can hit a jumper if open……
I also think Drives and Kicks and drives and drop offs to DMC under the rack will be the majority of our points, as well as the Pick and roll with DMC and with Evans/Knight….
Yeah we need SF help right now but i really feel that Casspi/Greene together are doing a decent job and with Thornton/Beno playing as well as they are it kinda hides our whole at SF
Brandon Knight's interview is impressive
But three combo guards is not ideal to me. I think two combo guards (Reke and Marcus) and a smaller speed guard like Kemba seems more like an optimal mix. Any of the three can play simultaneously, like your scenario too, but roles are more naturally defined and defensive match-ups are more natural too. Little speed players like Barea and Brooks can be assigned to Kemba and when the team needs a spark or pace adjustment off the bench, Kemba is there to offer change of pace. It seems like an optimal mix assuming they are comparable talents.
Ultimately though it is about taking the better player, if the possibility exists. Positional considerations and mix of chemistry are secondary to whom can have biggest long term impact.
I think Zillers draft boards is pretty astute at this stage in the process. One of the best I have seen, in terms of logic and.
I think our draft board could shape up like this. First, cross off all the Euros. Then we are looking at:
(1) Knight
(2) Kemba
(3) Biyombo
(4) Jordan Hamilton (my sleeper pick)
(5) Kawhi Leonard
Although I hope it shapes up like this and names are reversed:
(1) Biyombo
(2) Kemba
(3) Knight
(4) Kawhi Leonard
(5) Jordan Hamilton
I am developing bit of man-crush on Biyombo, no homo lol. Something about Bismack screams perfect fit for a team lacking physicality and toughness: a dirty work, doesn’t need the ball, hustle pick-setting, shot blocking smash-mouth player. Awesome!!! How long would it take for this guy to become an extra bad ass version of Jon Brockman? Two days into training camp?
Last year we all talked about DeMarcus and Tyreke needing their touches. We added another volume shooter to the mix in Marcus. We will likely add a more capable scoring SF in free agency or trade. Who better to add to group of potent scorers than a Ben Wallace-type force who doesn’t need the ball but impacts the game every second with hustle, rebounding and defense? He can consistently outrun bigs down the court. I love it. He will have to prove rudimentary skills (shoot, dribble, pass) to be a legitimate candidate. But even if raw as raw gets this gives me confidence he will develop:
Off the court, Biyombo might be just as interesting, as we chronicled recently in the following article. He speaks five languages fluently: English, Spanish, French and two Congolese dialects. and came across as an extremely charismatic and engaging player in our time with him in Portland.
He stood out as the most vocal players on the International team over the course of the week at the Nike Hoop Summit, assuming a position of leadership almost immediately upon arrival. You would often see him having tactical discussions between plays with the coaching staff, and he was quick to take teammates aside and explain the nuances of a play to them when something got lost in translation.
These are all incredibly atypical qualities compared to other African prospects we’ve evaluated in the past.
These are the type of intangibles and character traits that would give an evaluator a basis to expect improvement and not stagnation. Learning a second language is a bitch. Knowing five fluently is off the charts. An assertive personality counts too. A passive and timid nature is what I saw in Wesley Johnson last year, on and off court. This does not translate well into production.
Basketball-wise he does block shots with both hands. Nice. And he gets wide base and low in post to receive post entry pass. His rebounding and shot blocking timing is excellent. He will not be moved easily off the block on either end. He displays quick drop step move and half spin out of block. You can see a semblance of an offensive game, if you squint hard enough.
It should not escape the Kings brass that BB has a 7’7" wingspan, which is identical to Hassan Whiteside. And exceeds pterodactyl-like specimen like Kevin Durant (7’5") and Shawn Bradley (7’5"). His length in a quick 6’8" frame allows him a lower center of gravity and agility than conventional forward and centers, and you have a freakish athletic specimen that is worthy of careful consideration. If they don’t bring him to town for close up view and personalized workout, they are negligent and operating inside-the-box.
PG and combo guards like Kemba and Knight are nice and I will be OK with either pick, but players like these seem to come along each year. Biyombo is a rare breed I would not be quick to bypass. BB has clearly definable skills that translate to the NBA game. He seems like the type of player that opponents do not want to face. He will constantly harass and hustle and challenge shots against guards as much as centers. His upside is difficult to project but it is hard to envision a complete bust.
This is where Petrie earns his keep: Is BB a 5/5 player due to fundamental deficiencies he will likely never outgrow? Or a 12/14/3 player in 3 years through normal growth curve? Let’s hope for latter.
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by bench_blob on May 24, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Biyombo has to be considered.
Resigning Sammy will be tough.
You think Biyombo would score 12 a game shooting sub-40% free throws?
I’m just nit-picking here…but I see 12ppg as nice production from a starter. For Bismack to get that, he’d probably have to take, if you include missed free throws, 12 shots a game to get that.
I just can’t help but think this guy is another Reggie Evans.
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by caseycheesecake on May 24, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Even in this scenario
Evans never blocked shots, so he would be a Reggie Evans with ~2 blocks a game. He also appears to have better athleticism and fluidity than Evans ever did.
What would Reggie Evans (10+RPG) with great weak-side D and better athleticism/finishing inside be worth?
Whiteside!
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by caseycheesecake on May 25, 2011 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I would also like to join the Jordan Hamilton bandwagon
I believe before this run up to the draft concludes, Hamilton will work his way firmly into the 5 to 10 range. He wouldnt be considered a reach at 7 if the Kings were to select him. I’m really intrigued with his midrange game.
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by Norcalfan10 on May 24, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Just curious
I think two combo guards (Reke and Marcus)
but I don’t get why people see Marcus as a combo guard.
by wallywagon11 on May 24, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I think because Marcus can pass out of the pick and roll
as well as a PG. He makes smart decisions on the break too. He can drive and kick like a PG too. There were plenty of game towards end of season MT23 racked up 4 to 5 assists.
Compare his handling skills to someone like Kevin Martin for example, a classic SG, and I think you have the traits of a combo. Obviously with Thornton pumping in 20 points a game, you are not going to call him a PG, but he proved he can facilitate as well as score, hence ‘combo’.
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Because one time he threw an alley-oop.
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by caseycheesecake on May 24, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he's 6'4'' and not 6'6''.
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I agree.
He isn’t ready to start, and can play behind or even with Devin Harris. I don’t think Enes Kanter is a clear-cut BPA over Knight or Walker, and they already have a solid frontcourt rotation.
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exactly
why I think they go Knight. Unless they wanna trade Millsap and draft Kanter, but I don’t see why they’d wanna trade Millsap. I think they draft Knight, give him a year to play behind Harris, then he becomes the starter next season.
Knight would be my guess for them as well
As I don’t think they will have a chance to sort out thier front court situation with the looming lockout. Either of thier PFs would look pretty damn good on Indiana, though I don’t know how that deal would look.
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by lietothegirls on May 24, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
In reality their frontcourt isn't as solid as it looks.
I’m pretty sure that if Utah is smart, and really committed to rebuilding. They’ll trade away Millsap for a pick and ship out Jefferson’s terrible contract. Okur expires this year leaving the only guy who is solidly in the Jazz’ plans being Derrick Favors. Jefferson doesn’t play a lick of defense and isn’t long enough to guard centers and is too slow to guard power forwards. Millsap is a great player and a solid contributor but he’s undersized to play his natural PF and belongs as a bench guy on a contender, not a rebuilding team.
It makes a lot of sense for Utah to pick up a big man like Kanter or Valanciunas.
That said, I also don’t think that Devin Harris falls into their long term plans either so I wouldn’t be surprised if they picked up Knight or Walker.
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Trade for Ramon Sessions!
Who exactly are they keeping this year?
It sounds like you think they’ll have ten new players overnight.
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by lietothegirls on May 24, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that it would be wise of them to get rid of most of their players.
And enter full rebuild mode. Millsap will contribute to unnecessary wins and hurt their lottery chances for 2012, Jefferson is absolutely garbage in my opinion, he’s great at offense and grabs rebounds, but I hate centers that don’t play defense so they should look to move him and his bloated contract asap. Harris is not their PGOTF, and they should trade him for a pick or expiring contract/young guy. They don’t need to get rid of all these guys immediately, but it is in their interest to move the guys that still have value but should not be a part of their future plans
If I were Utah, the only guys that I want as future pieces are Hayward and Favors, everybody else can go, get picks, get young guys with potential, give all the minutes to your young guys to develop and build chemistry together. 2012 is a reported deep draft class, and if they commit to rebuilding they will have at least one lottery pick (their own) and the Warriors’ pick. Their future core should be the lottery guys they accumulate from 2010-2012 because they will go nowhere if they make a push for the playoffs by filling in holes of their current roster.
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Trade for Ramon Sessions!
Don't we have to worry about what the raptors do too?
They want a pg also don’t they?
by FTFeli on May 24, 2011 8:32 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
think they are leaning toward a PG
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by Norcalfan10 on May 24, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
He's signed for two more years
so is Bayless. I’m not sure they look at either one of them as their starting PG of the future though. And they’ve got solid big men in Bargnani, Johnson, and Davis. I’m hoping they pass on Walker though
I think they go BPA
which would probably be Knight. Hard to say until we get a better grasp on the Europen players and Biyombo. Also a major asterisk here, because Coangelos has had an affinity in the past for European players. I wouldn’t call it a fetish to the point he would pass on a better American player, but just something to keep in mind.
That seems possible
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by kingsfan300 on May 24, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
UTAH taking Williams wouldnt be a very good fit
considering Milsap, jefferson and Favors all play the 4.
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by Norcalfan10 on May 24, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Well he would be playing the SF position
It’s still not clear what position he’ll be playing in the NBA, although I have a feeling it will be at the SF spot.
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by kingsfan300 on May 24, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Minnie desperately needs to get more athletic
Hell, they need to get better period and soon. I think it’s likely they trade that pick
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by lietothegirls on May 24, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't they just draft an athletic small forward with scoring ability in Wesley Johnson?
I think Kanter fits their needs more than Williams. But you never know with that Kahn fella
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I think there will be a lot of movement in this draft
if teams can make it happen. I also think that after Eurocamp the mock drafts also move around quite a bit. Teams aren’t exactly in love with anyone.
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keep tyreke at the 2?
where we gonna put thornton?? hes too small for a 3 and to good to be comin off the bench….
I will bet the house that any guard that we draft will not be in the starting lineup on opening night
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by section214 on May 24, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Be careful
last year DMC started even though we had Landry/Dalembert/JT because of injuries.
by wallywagon11 on May 24, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
the argument goes
that reke loses his size advantage when pushed to the 3.
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by Norcalfan10 on May 24, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Artest is 6-7 and he didn't have a problem posting up Evans in the season finally
There are way more SF in the west that Evans can’t defend then those that he can. Maybe if we played better team defense, we could get him help. But, if we have to seen the double team, what’s the sense.
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Some of that will be negated with experience though
Generally don’t prefer to see Reke at the 3 other than in specific matchups.
But Artest plays a very physical style that most 3s do not. Evans really hasn’t dealt with that from many 1s or even 2s.
I guess you could say that any fault by any player will be negated by experience.
does that mean we shouldn’t be looking at upgrading any position because the players there will improve by experience.
You can justify anything by that type of thinking. But, the truth is at 6-5.25, Evans would be the shortest SF in the league. And, even with his long reach, a 6-7 player with just average wingspan will have a longer reach then Evans.
I think that some people are just stretching this too far trying to get Tyreke and Marcus on the floor together. Which I don’t think is necessary since if they can play in the backcourt together for 12-18 mpg.
Using your logic, Marcus will become a better ball handler with experience, and I don’t consider them a problem playing in the backcourt together right now against other teams reserves.
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The Artest mismatch shouldn't be considered that big of a deal
when Artest is the fourth best offensive option on their team. I’d rather have the Lakers try to beat us by isolating Artest on Tyreke than having them direct their offense through Kobe or Gasol.
Thorton seemed to make our team obviously better. His shooting is a major asset and his defense didn’t seem anywhere near as bad as advertised. He needs big minutes. Some see him as a super-sub, but I’d rather see him start.
Tyreke also needs to start, since he is supposedely our best player (I personally think it’s Cousins). He can run the point for small stretches, but I don’t see us being an effective team with him running the offense regularly. At SF he could create a number of mismatches through his speed ,as noted by Smills. I see Tyreke’s style of play being simlilar to a Lebron-lite.
Bottom line for me, we need a point guard either through the draft, trade, or free agency.
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tyreke is a GAURD
too small to defend the three. Putting Tyreke at the 3 easily makes us the most undersized starting five in the league. No need to do that; Thorton can get 30 plus minutes as our 6th man
This could happen at certain points in the game
If the Kings want to go small. But not night in and night out as a starting line up
Does anyone invision anything other than a Reke-Thornton backcourt to start the season?
For all the “Tyreke is not a PG” or “If we draft a PG what do we do with Thornton” comments, I just don’t see any reason to get all worked over this. For all the uncertainty that is going on in the organization right now, this is an easy call, Reke will start the season at PG, Thornton will start at 2 guard, and at no point this season will Tyreke Evans start at SF. If we draft a guard, they will be fighting to make Beno expendable, not fighting for a starting spot. On occasion, you may see a lineup with Reke, Beno, and Marcus…or Reke, Marcus, and Knight/Walker but this will never be the starting lineup.
I am probably in the minority, I hope Knight is off the board. He appears to me to be a major project and with a 4 to 3 assist to turnover rate, a lack of explosion taking it to the hoop, questions about not being an assertive leader at KY, shaky shooting, etc. – we need someone who can help us sooner than later. He does not turn 19 until December. His stock becomes elevated in a draft that is very shallow after some big shots in the Tourney and am not sure I am buying the hype. I like Walker, Leonard, and Biyambo in that order for the Kings and then may be Knight. I know we need a PG badly but just not sure this is the guy.
by VirginiaKingsFan on May 24, 2011 10:35 AM PDT reply actions
well
the fact that he’s the youngest player in the draft is a plus. I dont think selecting Knight at 7 says the ball is in his hands, but there are a few things that make Knight a top 5 talent in this Draft, and way better prospect than the players you’ve mentioned. The main thing with the Kings is that its not Beno cant play, its that he cannot defend anyone. Knight at 6’3, 6’6 wingspan, 4.6 body fat, quickness & speed makes him the best prospect defensively at the PG in this draft. Not to mention Knight has been able to score on every level. So right now Knight is a big PG who has the physical capability to defend and the offensive game to score in the NBA. The biggest knocks on his game is whether he can develop more court vision and passing ability. Givin a couple years of him learning the game (which Knight can do, considering how smart of a player he is) he can learn how to run a team at the one, and not have the pressure of being a franchise player. I think Knight’s NBA comparison is Russel Westbrook with less bounce/explosiveness but better mid-range and outside shooting. IMO I think Leonard and Biyambo are bigger risks in this draft at becoming a bust
Speak for yourself
the fact that he’s the youngest player in the draft is a plus
I’m tired of all these kids
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by lietothegirls on May 24, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by otis29 on May 24, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Get off my yard!
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by lietothegirls on May 24, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Clint would immediately be the toughest guy in the NBA now that Sloan is gone.
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Him or Josey Wales.
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by nolookpass432 on May 25, 2011 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Knight really that athletic???
He doesn’t appear to be very quick or fast. Nor does he seem to have a very high vertical. Are my eyes deceiving me?
It seems apparent when comparing footage of Walker and Knight. Walker seems to be on a whole ’nother level athletically.
Your points are well taken. One can argue that Knight has the biggest upside given his age. Concerns about his lack of court vision and inability to finish around the hoop (Draft Express says “lack of explosion” when describing Knight) really concern me. I have great faith in GP’s talent evaluation. If the Kings take him in that spot clearly GP thinks he can mature. I would not see Knight helping us anytime soon though.
I think with BB we get a guy who can make an immediate impact defensively and rebounding. His upside is a potential NBA Defensive Player of the Year-type player and playing in the Spanish League is very impressive to me. As we saw with Sene on the Sonics a few years ago, raw African players can be risky but I think BB is a much better prospect than Sene.
Kemba Walker reminds me of a Ben Gordon (when he was good with the Bulls) with some playmaking skills. Whether he can be a PG is not clear but I love the guys swagger and charisma.
by VirginiaKingsFan on May 24, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Simple solution
We should draft Knight and Leonard.
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by Exhibit G on May 24, 2011 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 6 recs
3 Players
…the Sacramento Kings select Leonard “Jimmer” Knight, out of …
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by PhutureKings on May 24, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I am starting to warm up to Leonard too,
He is the kinda of athletic tough guy we need at the 3. He is in amazing shape and has ridiculous physical tools. Imagine Shawn Marion or Gerald Wallace, at least that is my thought. Drafting him makes one of Cisco, Greene, or Casspi expendable. I assume we try to move Casspi.
Wallace couldn't get minutes his first few years
of course that was on a very good team . . . .
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by lietothegirls on May 24, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't really count when you are behind
Two Current all stars and a soon to be all star, Hedo, Peja, Webber
by Ultrakingsfan on May 24, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe we'll try at least to address the SF position by trade or FA
it just seems more doable than a starting caliber PG right now.
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by lietothegirls on May 24, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we need to draft a guard.
If Knight falls and Petrie drafts him, then I will support it, but he is the only guard I would consider drafting. I like the Kings guard rotation as it stands with Reke, Thornton, and Beno, with a little Pooh sprinkled in. SF is position of need that has been talked to death, but i think that should be addressed via trade or free agency. This leaves the PF/C positions as the positions I believe the Kings should look at in the draft. Guys like Biyombo, the Morris twins, and Tristan Thompson should get a long look. In short, the guard rotation is ok, (and can be really good if Reke and Thornton develop chemistry) the SF position needs help immediately, (veteran who is ready to start opening night) and IMO the frontine is where the Kings should look to draft because a rotational big (year 1, with the possibility to start in a few years) is the best you can expect with this drafts talent pool.
Looks like the Jazz and Raptors will take Knight & Kemba
That being said, would either of them swap picks with us if they get Casspi in return? I think we have to gamble on a trade and/or a FA signing to make a push for the playoffs and get a new arena built.
So, am I the only one who thinks that Reke
will become a much better distributor next season. Towards the end of last season, he seemed to be comfortable with Thornton taking up a lot of the scoring load.
I think Reke will improve his PG play (including being a playmaker and facilitator). Thus, drafting a PG isn’t all that necessary. If we could get Irving, I’d reconsider, obviously.
Thus, I think Petrie should focus on trying to move up to get Williams or take a hard look at Biyombo, who seems to be the perfect fit to Cuz, Reke, and MT23’s game.
Then, by the trade deadline, you can make a hard push for CP3 or Derron Williams. Not saying it’s a safe strategy, but it sounds good to me.
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I'm not sure
They didn’t exactly show that they work well together,IMO, in those last stretch of games, but I can see more games together alleviating that issue as well as Reke improving his jump shot.
The more confident Reke becomes in his jumper, the better the offense will flow, as the way he would stand around on offense messed up the spacing for the team, as he would just want to get the ball back to create his shot.
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Distributor yes, ball handler, deep shooting threat NO
He’s horrible at running the pick and roll, because he cant’ hit the deep shot when defenders go under the screen and he’s not quick enough with the ball to cut sharply off the pick so his defender ends up reacquiring after going under.
Any type of pressure or double team late in the game creates problems getting the offense going and turns into steals and breakaway easy baskets. Not just off of Tyreke or Marcus, but by everyone on the team because we have our PG’s giving up the ball to bigs and wings when they face pressure. Tyreke is not a heads up ball handler, and mostly tucks the ball away like a running back when he gets into the paint. At this point in time Thornton is the better ball handler, but still not a PG.
Eventually, Marcus and Tyreke could improve their ball handling enough to be a more conventional PG, but not anytime soon. Which is why I’ve been in favor of picking up a vet PG to fill the role for a couple more years, or until we figure out which role is better for Tyreke. And, it’s why I’ve suggested that GP might pass on PG’s at the #7 pick and go after a vet PG by way of trade or FA. We were looking for a distributor when we drafted Tyreke ( some guy name Rubio) and we’ve gone 2 years without one. Not sure I want to put the job in the hands of another rookie, and hope it doesn’t take him 2 more years to figure it out.
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Since I'm too lazy to check who's available
Who are the top five vet PG’s you have your eyes on, HT?
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I'm guessing a "trade for DJ Augustin" comment
by wallywagon11 on May 24, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he talked about him a lot this season
I’m curious about who else he has in mind though.
"You can have the knowledge that a tomato is a fruit, but it takes wisdom not to put it in a fruit salad." Jerry Reynolds
Since we're talking Trade and FA, there are a lot I like but would they be available?
As Wally already pointed out my favorite young guard is DJ Augustin, who I thought we might be able to get along with Wallace when the Bobcats started dumping salary. I’d also consider Felton, and if Toronto drafts a PG, I’d look at Calderon and Bayless. I like George Hill. I think it’s too early to give up on Jennings. I think Mil plays at one of the slowest paces in the league, and if Jennings could keep his A:TO ratio to around 2.25 which he did in his 1st season while running the offense of a much faster team pace he would be very good.
As far as FA and vet leadership, I still like Andre Miller especially in the short term, but he has a team option this season and Por might not waive him. Ive heard all the criticism that he plays slow but I put that on McMillan. For the post season he shot 49% field, 40% from 3, averaged almost 15 ppg and 5.5 assists and that was with the team with the slowest pace in the league. He doesn’t turn over the ball, and knows how to play defense.
But, without knowing the changes to the CBA, and what penalties teams will be dealt for being over the cap it’s difficult to even guess who will be available.
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I agree Phuture
I think Tyreke’s passing was getting a lot better before injuries wrecked and consistacy in the season. I like our backcourt, and our frontcourt as well. However I dont really like any of the swings, the area we really need, so to me, considering who will be available at our pick, I’d like Jimmer or Jonas, and I think Jonas will be better or more valuable long term. With all that said, I’d prefer we trade pick for someone who could help us now at the three, with my wish being Iggy
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 24, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I watch
The more I like Biyombo. He is just what this team is lacking, with no offense to JT, who did everything that was asked of him this past season. An tough, athletic, explosive PF that doesn’t need the ball in his hands. You know who else was like that? Dennis Rodman.
Clearly Rodman had a bit more polish on his game, but the parallels are there. Come in, do the dirty work and fire up the team. Our Kings have needed that for a good, very long while.
Mitch Richmond - All-Time leader in shots taken with a toe on the three point line. True Story...You can look it up.
We don't have Michael Jordan to average 30+ ppg to make up for his lack of offense.
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by caseycheesecake on May 24, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point
But scoring isn’t necessarily a weak spot on this roster. Right now it lacks grit, toughness, and that desire to be right in the middle of every scrum, loose ball chase and fight for possession. Biyombo, it seems to me in limited exposure, has that.
Mitch Richmond - All-Time leader in shots taken with a toe on the three point line. True Story...You can look it up.
by nolookpass432 on May 25, 2011 5:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Scoring is an issue for the Kings IMO.
When Beno is your best and most consistent scorer for 75% of the season because Cuz is shooting under 45% and Tyreke has foot issues (which I fear will be recurring for years), scoring is a weak spot.
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by caseycheesecake on May 25, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Your point is valid
And I don’t disagree that it is an issue. I just don’t think it’s the biggest issue. Assuming any average production increase for a 2nd year player (Cousins), and a healthy year for a still maturing Reke, (hopefully) a full year of Thornton, and a healthy (?) Cisco…there is enough scoring on the team to be competitive. Thornton brings a ton of explosive scoring potetial to this squad.
What is truly missing from this team is a bit of nasty. A part of the team willing to do all the hard, dirty work…rebounding, shot blocking, taking charges, scrapping. Not a lot of that on this team right now.
Sure we could use a solid shooter/scorer at the SF. Just not sure the team likes any of the SF candidates enough to use a #7. I assume Kawhi Leonard will be gone. I think he’ll make a steady march up to the 4-6 range. I really like his game. But I digress.
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by nolookpass432 on May 25, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
wut about
A trade down to portlands pick and batum. They need big man depth and it seems like they’re always trying to move up in the draft, maybe jt and the pick to portland for their pick and batum. There’s soome good project pgs in the draft in that area
by Chent on May 24, 2011 9:59 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I seem
To overvalue Batum because I think his hustle, defense, and shooting would be perfect for our team. I think they are more inclined to trading him now with wallace around as well, they’ve probably backed off their stance of him being untouchable.
by Chent on May 24, 2011 10:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I would have to think this is something the Kings may have or might approach the Blazers with
but would doubt the deal would go down before the draft. Essentially, if the Blazers are eyeing someone available it might get done in the middle of the draft.
by wallywagon11 on May 25, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions

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