Brandon Roy Might be Asked to Retire

If there is any merit to this, then there is no doubt he is available through trade. Should the Kings try to make a deal?

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That's a rough situation for both sides

I really feel for Portland, they have been snakebitten on the injury side for way too long.

And no, the Kings shouldn’t try to make a deal. Why make their problem our problem?

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by otis29 on May 27, 2011 9:35 AM PDT reply actions

This is a prime example as to why universal guaranteed contracts are bad business for the NBA.

by Smills9133 on May 27, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

Actually

It might be a prime example of why you don’t give a max extension to a guy with a history of knee and ankle problems. Especially if you can’t insure against injury due to said history.

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by otis29 on May 27, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs

THat cuts both ways. Guys with history of injuries go on injury-free, guys with no injury history get career threatening injuries

It’s the nature of the business. Teams should be able to protect themselves from these advents, because ultimately, like taxes, it always gets passed down to the consumer, or fans in this instance which dilutes the overall product on the court.

by Smills9133 on May 27, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions

Teams can protect themselves

If you are risk averse, don’t sign the contract.

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by otis29 on May 27, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions

Honest question

If you were the Blazers in 08-09, would you have let Brandon Roy walk instead of giving him a max extension (consider that he was one of the top SGs in the league that year)?

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by Aykis16 on May 27, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions

no team would have let him walk

they would have tried to low ball him to take 3 or 4 years max contract though (which the Blazers did try actually). Either way, they knew what they were getting into (and oddly I am one of those people who thinks contract guarantees should probably be somewhat limited but oh well).

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Good question

With his health history and no possibility of insuring the contract? I’d have certainly considered letting him hit the open market. I think this was a case where Paul Allen’s deep pockets may have blinded Portland from the reality of working under the existing salary cap rules.

Ultimately, it was a business decision and may have been the wrong one.

I look at it this way as well (regarding guaranteed contracts) – much of the time, you are paying that money for what that player gave you previously (and was underpaid for his production). IMO the player holds the risk early in his career and the team holds the risk later in his career.

So to answer your question – quite possibly I would have. I’m just not sure I’d be bitching about the system and guaranteed contracts after the fact, though.

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by otis29 on May 27, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

To add

I think Brandon Roy still has value as an NBA player at this point in his career. When he completes his time with Portland, you can look back at his tenure and decide whether he produced enough for the team compared to his compensation (between his rookie deal and his extension).

Quite likely, it won’t be as outlandish as everyone makes it out to be right now.

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by otis29 on May 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions

I know it's not going to happen but IMO

I would like to see the rookie contract years cut back, max contracts between 4/5 not 5/6. If they were not going to be fully guaranteed contracts I would consider keeping the years 5/6 then.

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Yeah, I don't have a problem with this myself

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by otis29 on May 27, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions

excuse my ignorance, but did he have health issues from college? i’m asking in all honesty. i wasn’t aware?

by gaindeyouth on May 27, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions

If Portland had let Roy walk

That city would have went ape shit

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 28, 2011 4:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs

This.

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by pookeyguru on May 28, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions

And would the team have been better off now?

Would the team be gone from Portland?

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by otis29 on May 29, 2011 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions

I can't disagree with that

But coming back from the jailblazer era, I mean it would have been real bad, and real ugly.

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 29, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions

no way. max deal all the way. similar to the C-Webbs deal. it was the right choice at the time, but his injury made it an albotros. but his devotion during the recent tug-o-war with the maloofs/anaheim made it a no-brainer again.

by gaindeyouth on May 27, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions

I asked Rich Cho what they planned to do with Roy just 48 hours before the general manager was fired by Allen. He didn’t answer, but he laughed nervously. I could feel him shaking his head at the mistake that the Vulcans made in negotiating a contract that had no insurance and no clauses for the possibility of injury despite Roy’s chronic knee issues.

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by pookeyguru on May 28, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Where you get that?

Canzano?

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 29, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Yep.

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by pookeyguru on May 30, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions

i like Roy as a player, but between tyreke and thornton, i think we are covered in the ways he helps a team. plus, he is owed 70 mill. sucks to see a player cut down in the prime, but lets not take on a problem just out of sympathy.

by gaindeyouth on May 27, 2011 9:39 AM PDT reply actions

If you are debating between one player versus two players, give me the one guy (if healthy of course which, well yeah)

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions

really, i think that Reke is a similar type of hybrid guard. a healthy Roy would always merit considerations, but its obviously not the case. i threw in thornton just as an after thought. I just don’t see how a team takes a flyer on a guy who is being asked to retire and is owed 70 mill. does that contract come off the books if he retires and then un retires? i ay let portland sweat out their own problems.

by gaindeyouth on May 27, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions

they can ask, but there is no way he retires. and if they ask, awkward…….

by gaindeyouth on May 27, 2011 9:41 AM PDT reply actions

medical retirement

I’d guess that it would mean he’d get paid that 80% (I believe) by insurance and his salary would come off their cap number.

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by lietothegirls on May 27, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions

i’m sure any team that un-retired him would be doing so at their own risk as i doubt that his knees would be uninsurable at that point.

by gaindeyouth on May 27, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions

the fact that this notion got leaked and there is no big blowback from the team denying it is just ... wow. Unreal.

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions

I think after Oden

The fans up there are being realistic. No more ridiculous false hope. And Blazer fans are smart enough to know that contract is a franchise killer if he cant live up to it

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 29, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions

I didn't mean blowback from the fans. I meant I am shocked the team didn't go out and categorically deny it and go out of the way to say it's ludicrous. That's the backlash I am talking about.

Talk about making a sitaution toxic for zero reason whatsoever because no way the guy “retires” for them. It ain’t happening and it’s just one of those things that makes that front office look more and more out of touch by the day.

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by wallywagon11 on May 30, 2011 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions

My bet

The new Collective Bargaining Agreement will include a one-time amnesty provision for teams looking to shed big contract. This would enable a team to eliminate the load from their salary cap, though they would still have to pay the player the money. Dallas did this with Michael Finley back in 2005, and Finley went on to sign an MLE-type deal with San Antonio. I could see Portland taking advantage of this option with Roy – he would get paid every dime, could still sign on and play somewhere else, and Portland would get he cap relief that they desire.

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by section214 on May 27, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions

Ah the Allan Houston clause, that brings back memories

especially the fact it wasn’t used on Allan Houston

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Jerome Williams if you care about such things.

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by pookeyguru on May 28, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions

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by pookeyguru on May 28, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions

I hated that clause

It bailed out the irresponsible teams, and in a sense punished the responsible teams. There needs to be a clause that rewards those teams that are being financially responsible within the CBA.

by Smills9133 on May 27, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions

But a freak injury like Yao and Roy

is different than being irresponsible. Any team would have signed them to that amount because they’re stars.

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by caseycheesecake on May 27, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions

Roy wasn't a freak injury

nor will Granger’s be when he knee goes out

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

This.

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by pookeyguru on May 28, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Yup. Roy's knee problems were quite well know

Coming out of Washington. I don’t think most fans knew too much about it though. Even in Portland

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 29, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions

Didn't the Blazer GM f*** up by not insuring the contract though?

And isn’t that (partly) why Cho’s unemployed today? I don’t follow the situation closely up there but I thought it was pretty standard stuff to insure a contract against career-ending injury. Seems like Roy could still be effective player for 20 to 30 minutes, though.

I feel bad for the Blazers. 10 years without a playoff series win, despite championship aspirations and pocketbooks, and two top picks (Oden and Roy) who should be entering their prime can’t walk to their refrigerator without tripping over the cat and snapping an ACL, lol. Sad but true.

Prysbilla fell in the shower and busted a liggy like Bruce Lee through a piece of plywood. Oden’s knee collapsed when there was no one around him. A draft of wind him at the right angle and he was down for the count.

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by bench_blob on May 27, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions

It is standard stuff but no insurer would insure it because his knee was an already known problem

Cho also didn’t sign him to the contract extension.

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions

And if you can't insure a contract

Wouldn’t that make most smart businessman think twice about signing a maximum contract for a guy with a history of knee and ankle issues?

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by otis29 on May 27, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions

They did think twice. There was a stalemate for a very long time on his contract negotations

Not surprised at all though that a team after weighting the pros and cons would go Portland’s route though.

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by wallywagon11 on May 27, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions

A few of us spoke of the Allan Houston Rule at HereWeSteak

Too many teams have planned to lower payroll this time out that they will see it as an unfair advantage to the more than few, less than most that have albatross contracts this season (as compared to the Allan Houston Rule time period).

That said – it ain’t about fair. If enough of the Big Boys (the major market owners) are okay with this than it happens and it is another bargaining chip in the CBA negotiations.

by betweentheeyes on May 27, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Are you saying Kevin Pritchard fucked up?

Cuz I thought he had Chuck Norris locked up in his trunk.

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by pookeyguru on May 28, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions