NBA Draft Rumors: If Cavaliers Move Up To No. 2, What Do Timberwolves Do At No. 4?
The latest NBA Draft rumor from Chris Broussard of ESPN (via our very own FanShots) has the Cleveland Cavaliers taking on Rip Hamilton's gnarly contract and, as the sweetener, the Detroit Pistons' No. 8 pick. The Cavs would then flip their own No. 4 pick and the No. 8 pick for the Minnesota Timberwolves' No. 2 pick.
There's indication in Broussard's report that Detroit might want something to go with the elimination of Hamilton, perhaps one of Cleveland's players. (Might I suggest Ramon Sessions, who would be the third point guard behind Kyrie Irving and Baron Davis?) There's no special insight to Minnesota's thinking, however, and that what's really important to the Sacramento Kings here. What would the Wolves do at No. 4?
The Wolves are the most unpredictable team in the lottery; their Wesley Johnson choice a year ago landed DeMarcus Cousins on the Kings. But at No. 2 this year, there was really no two ways around it: Derrick Williams would be the guy. (If he wasn't, the Utah Jazz would scoop him right up at No. 2.) The Wolves couldn't really impact many other teams by staying at No. 2, because there was a dead obvious No. 2 pick.
At No. 4, it's different.
With Cleveland at No. 1 and No. 4, we know it's unlikely they'll take Brandon Knight or Kemba Walker at No. 4 given that Irving is the pick at No. 1. We know the Washington Wizards at No. 6 aren't taking a point guard. So in theory, if the Jazz passed up on a point guard at No. 3, we knew one would last to No. 7 -- the only other team from No. 3-6 that was a threat to take one was the Toronto Raptors at No. 5.
The Wolves moving down from No. 2 to No. 4, giving up Williams? That's a threat for a point guard. It's not a huge threat -- definitely a smaller threat than the Jazz or Raptors. But it's a threat nonetheless. Both Knight and Walker project to be better than Jonny Flynn. Ricky Rubio's 2011-12 fate ought to be known by the time the draft rolls around. If he stays in Spain, Minnesota may feel the need to grab Knight or Walker.
That means both point guards could be gone by the time Toronto picks, let alone Sacramento. There was never a guarantee either point guard would be on the board when Sacramento picks. But the odds are even though should this trade go through, in my estimation.
The Wolves could also be flipping No. 4 and No. 8 (and perhaps their other picks) for a veteran, adding another wild card ahead of the Kings. But my early guess is that they like a player at No. 2 that isn't Williams that they are confident the Jazz won't take at No. 3. That couldn't be Knight or Enes Kanter, could it? Does David Kahn love Walker? Jonas Valanciunas? The mystery is killing me!
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NBA Rumors are...
a joke. These national writers are wrong about these things 95 percent of the time. The only time they are right is during the draft when their sources tell them who is going to be picked 20 seconds before the pick is in. My sources say Ford, Bucher, Broussard, etc… are full of it.
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Reporters don't just make stuff up
Deals break down all the time or never get fully going in the first place. The deals that tend not to occur are the ones where reporters say that a team is interested in so-and-so, and then the next day the team that owns so-and-so refutes the idea. People who leak news like that to the media tend to have a motive in doing so.
But when a reporter like Broussard mentions a deal with specifics like this CLE-MIN-DET swap (and more importantly its plausible), then it seems likely that that specific trade is being talked about. It doesn’t mean it will happen, as evidenced by the fact that only a few hours later it was reported that Detroit wanted more for Rip Hamilton (why I don’t know, his contract is huge and he led a team mutiny this past season).
Reporters can’t guarantee that a deal is going to happen. They just report what they hear.
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by Aykis16 on May 29, 2011 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
This. And this. Plus this.
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Exactly
You don’t end up as a national reporter if you’re making things up. It just doesn’t happen.
Furthermore, I agree with Aykis about the trade. This trade makes a lot of sense, so of course Detroit it going to screw it up.
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by Exhibit G on May 29, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Joe Dumars needs to be gone
He did a great job in the early decade with the Pistons, somehow building a championship winner/contender with no superstars, but he’s been pretty consistently terrible since.
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by Aykis16 on May 29, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tom More apparently has told Dumars he has a job as long as he wants it.
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I guess you win a championship and you get immunity
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The real issue is: Who do you replace Dumars with that's an improvement?
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According to a couple of writers in Portland, he’s apparently available. (sarcasm)
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by section214 on May 29, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Good point.
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Pfffft. When Joe Dumars calls it quits, you just know that Isiah Thomas is waiting in the wings
Billionaire Tom Gores has just acquired the team. Joe Dumars’ job is not as safe as it once was.
by betweentheeyes on May 29, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I knew there was an O R E in that guys name. LOL
Whoops.
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by lietothegirls on May 29, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
What is detroit thinking????
I mean seriously, you get to drop Rip off for FREE monetarily and rid yourself of that mistake contract at the expense of the #8 pick in this years draft? How do you NOT sign off on that?
I beg to differ, you can become a national reporter by proclaiming supposed relationships with players
and I offer Stephen A. Smith as Exhibit A.
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by bringbackbuddytrees on May 29, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Pistons are justified to ask for more
The whole premise of this trade is that the Cavs would buy out Rip. If I was a Pistons fan, I’d be asking why the Pistons couldn’t just buy out Rip themselves and keep their lottery pick. The only benefit to this trade for the Pistons would be a few million bucks in the owner’s pocket. Giving away a lottery pick in a straight salary dump is not a good way for a rebuilding franchise to endear themselves to a fan base. The only way to make this palatable to fans (and make the talent swap somewhat reasonable) is to get something in return that they can put on the court, like Sessions.
Besides, if they stick Rip on the end of their bench for another year (or a fraction of a year if there’s a lockout), he will be an expiring contract, and they should be able to dump him without giving away a lottery pick. And threatening him with that scenario may even make him more agreeable to a reasonable buyout.
by Charlieb on May 29, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd do that in a heartbeat if I was Cleveland.
Especially since I’m getting the #2 pick anyway.
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Agree
They had successful pick with Greg Monroe last year. Bismack may fall to #8 and Joe Dumars may see him as clone of former teammates Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman. A skilled athlete (Bismack) next to skilled post player (Monroe) seems like nice mix, not unlike DMC and Bismack. Dumars is not going to forego this opportunity to land another building block just for the sake of salary dump. Ramon Sessions is about as appealing as Donte Greene in terms of trade value.
If this trade goes down it will be on the owners mandate to cut salary, not something Joe Dumars would do strategically. Rip Hamilton leading a mutiny of the players is different than a one-man mutiny. Makes me think their gripes against the coach were justified.
From the Kings perspective, I root for anything to occur to boost the possibility we land Bismack. If the two PGs are off the board when we pick (Kemba and Knight) then the possibility increases, however remote as it currently stands, we take the Congolian Sensation. I can see us bypassing Euros to take Bismack. Bypassing either PG is more of a stretch.
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Good move for Cleveland
As far as Minny goes, it is easy to figure out. They picked point guards one year, collected small forwards the next, so this year is probably centers. Darko needs other Euro big men to play with.
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I actually think Kahn is working on Fullbacks this year.
Most of his staff thinks he’s joking. The ones that know he’s not joking are debating amongst themselves who will be the one to break him the news.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 29, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
Kahn
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by Exhibit G on May 29, 2011 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
"There... might be some difficulties with that..."
“He’s not under contract in Spain, is he?”
“Something like that.”
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 29, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Its too bad because the Wolves really need a third basemen.
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by Ice_9ine on May 29, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
What a great deal for the wolves.
get an extra pick for moving down two spots…
At USC we're not snobs, we're just better than you.
I could barely trust Kahn with the #2 pick.
Would you trust him with the #4 and 8? Have you not been watching the NBA the last few years?
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by caseycheesecake on May 29, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
David Kahn is a spectator sport
And this just means we are getting a double header. Woot!
by betweentheeyes on May 29, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
It's likely that the Wolves want Enes Kanter and think he'll be there at 4
As a Wolves fan I don’t love this trade, even though the value is good; I have little interest in more rookies, especially since it appears as if Rubio will likely be on the roster next season.
It isn’t going to be a point guard, no matter what pick(s) they wind up with. Even if they make a trade for 4 and 8 (which is unlikely), I doubt they use both picks, but if they do, my guess is that it’s Kanter and either Burks, Leonard, or Vesely.
The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.
by Eric in Madison on May 29, 2011 9:33 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah I've read the rumors up there that they have zero interest in drafting a PG. That being said though
it appears as if Rubio will likely be on the roster next season.
Is there any real indication that Rubio is signing by the 31st?
by wallywagon11 on May 29, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Doubt anyone knows until the 31st.
The way I understand it is that Rubio’s season has to end, and it’s unlikely that it happens.
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Here is the best synopsis Wally.
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And, after reading SnP's post..
…it turns out that it’s probably not true that Barca’s season has to end for the Wolves to get Rubio under contract.
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yeah I've been reading SnP's work
and I don’t see how it appears likely that Rubio will be there next year.
by wallywagon11 on May 29, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It sure looks like right now the Wolves have less than 72 hours to make a deal. That's cutting it pretty close and it's awfully quiet at the moment.
by wallywagon11 on May 29, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt anything gets announced May 31st to keep the disruption of Rubio's team from happening.
If any announcement happens on May 31st, it will be that Rubio isn’t signing with the Wolves.
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I do know that Rubiokahn will not likely end until the Wolves & Rubio agree that he's not coming.
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If Rubio signs on June 31st, I'll pay you a billion dollars
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by section214 on May 29, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Deadline to sign him is actually May 31st.
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by pookeyguru on May 29, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Darn.
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by Aykis16 on May 29, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And if Rubio ends up being an All Star
There are going to be a ton of people suddenly saying how they knew GP screwed up and should have taken Rubio all along.
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by SavageBeast on May 29, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah that will be funny if that happens.
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Where is that Webber / Kahn photo when you need it?
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by lietothegirls on May 29, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, there were a ton of people here who wanted Rubio on draft day
So they would probably be within their rights. Having said that, I’m perfectly happy with who we ended up drafting, so I won’t be one of those people.
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My take on Minny
is that Kahn is on his last leg as GM and career in NBA, and needs to save his job this summer. There’s too much uncertainty with either pick (D-Will or Kanter). Kahn doesn’t trust his own judgment to draft either one, not that he would admit as much. D-Will may not be best fit with existing personnel. Kanter is too much of unknown in terms of star potential, although I think he possesses it.
My sense is that Kahn desperately wants to move the #2 pick for established player(s) and certainty of production, because he knows his track record of drafting is horrible, although he will say the motivation is the youth of his team and need to add veteran presence. I would put the odds of a deal at greater than 50/50 sometime around date of draft.
I don’t know if Kings can capitalize but I did see Petrie and Kahn side-by-side at the draft combine:
Petrie: So…who do you like with the #2 pick?
Kahn: Who do you like with the #2 pick?
Petrie: I asked you first.
Kahn: I asked you second.
Petrie: I like Kanter, D-Will, Kemba, Jan Vesely and Brandon Knight.
Kahn: Information overload! Slow down there, Skynet. Can you narrow it down a bit?
Petrie: I like D-Will, Kemba and Brandon Knight.
Kahn: Let me get out my notepad. I need to write this down. Can I borrow a pen?
Petrie: Sure.
Kahn: OK. How do you spell Kemba: C-H-E-M….
Petrie: It is with a ‘K’…
Kahn: K-C-H-E-M-B-A. Got it!!! So if you were me, you’d pick Kchemba at #2?
Petrie: I didn’t say that.
Kahn: Yes you did, you spelled his name for me and everything.
Petrie: Um…
Kahn: His name is right here in my trusty little notepad, see, so it must be true.
Petrie: Uh-huh.
Kahn: My notepad is my friend. When the media is mean to me, and says nasty things, I can always turn to my trusty notepad for warmth and affection. Sometimes I like to cuddle up with my notepad on cold Minnesota nights.
Geoff: I am going to leave now.
Kahn: Bye Geoff! Say ‘bye’ to Geoff, Mr. Notepad.
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by bench_blob on May 29, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I like that Kahn didn't even have a pen.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 29, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It's definitely Kanter.
With Beasley, Love and Randolph on the roster already, Williams didn’t make sense. With Darko starting at center, Kanter always was the pick for them. Now they still get their guy and add another top 10 pick.
by SacramentoSteve on May 29, 2011 10:37 AM PDT reply actions
thinking it's Kanter/Burks or Biyombo/Burks if he pulls it
and I dunno why he needs to accept it before the draft (although perhaps others due given all the contract stuff with Richard Hamilton)
by wallywagon11 on May 29, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
"Williams didn’t make sense"

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by section214 on May 29, 2011 10:44 AM PDT reply actions 8 recs
On CH
It’s Biyombo.
OH! Those are really cool! (OH! Those are really cool!)
I can't to see what kind of shoes Michael Beasley wears! (I can't to see what kind of shoes Michael Beasley wears!)
OH! I love Michael Beasley's hair! (I can't wait to see Michael Beasley play defense!)
Khan wants 2 picks
It’s so he can draft Jimmer twice.
/ Wondering if I should change my signature
by kwill on May 29, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions 12 recs
Manna'd
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by section214 on May 29, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is just David Kahn's way of un-rigging the NBA Draft
by betweentheeyes on May 29, 2011 11:28 AM PDT reply actions 10 recs
And a fine job he does bte
The only thing i know for sure is that Khan didn’t start out meaning to screw things up like this. I believe he started out with perfectly good intentions. When Glen Taylor hired him the T -Pups were at a low point in their history of low points and it’s almost inconceivable that he could take them any lower but he did. He has a special type of genius. He’s the idiot savant’s idiot savant.
I’m on CH every day, it’s one of my favorite sites. Reading SnP’s post and the comments that followed I still don’t see any compelling reason for Rubio to come over for the 11/12 season. Their reasoning seems to be that if he signs by May 31st he can contractually sign a contract that would pay him the current rookie scale instead of a presumably lower rookie scale he would be offered under the next CBA. It’s all fine and good and true as far as it goes but………………………………………
If he stays at home one more year he gets to sleep in his own bed, eat mama Rubio’s home cooking, drive the little Spanish girls crazy all the while being a major (and dang cute) star in his own country. Not to mention that in Spain, his pipes will never freeze, his car doors won’t freeze shut and he won’t have to learn how to drive in the snow or learn how to speak English. Most importantly, if he waits one more year, HE WON’T BE CONSTRAINED BY THE ROOKIE SCALE, and as a FA he can sign for whatever his agent can squeeze out of whichever team signs him. Possibly even more importantly than that he can dictate the length of the contract meaning he can sign a two year contract with Minny rather than have his rights tied up for four years which means he can leave the land of perpetual winter far more quickly than if he signs a rookie contract.
I just don’t see him signing with Minny for the next season.
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by Bluejohn on May 29, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
2 things.
I approve of you reading CH. It’s a must read for any fan IMO. But as far as the Rubio issue, I don’t know if that loophole will exist in the next CBA. I don’t know if teams will want that flexibility to give a poser like Rubio that kinda power. At every juncture, Rubio has shown that he’s torn between playing in the NBA and staying home. It’s clear that Rubio himself wants to play in the NBA, but wants to go to the right situation and his family/Spanish agent want him to stay in Barca.
At any rate, if Rubio wants to come to the NBA, it’s now or never. If he keeps thinking that MInnesota will sign him over scale rights, he’s crazy. He’s not Tiago Splitter nor is he going to get Splitter money as a rookie.
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I also don't believe Rubio comes over this year
If you look back three years, I never thought he intended to come over anytime soon. Who takes millions out of pocket now when all those dollars will still be there in three years?
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by lietothegirls on May 29, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Not quite correct.
If the drafted player has a contract with a non-NBA team, the team that drafts him retains his rights until one year after his contract with the non-NBA team expires. He is not a FA.
Also, if they sign him after 3 years, the rookie scale is not out of play.
After three years they have the option of either using the salary scale or signing him like he was a free agent — using their cap room, the Mid-Level exception, the Bi-Annual exception or the Disabled Player exception, and with standard raises.
So if they have the cap space or the Mid-level exception they could pay him more than the rookie scale. but, if they don’t they would have to sign him to the rookie scale or do a sign and trade if he wants more.
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Exactly HT.
It’s not like a bigger contract than the rookie scale is in play for Rubio. I’m not sure he understands that yet, but eventually he’ll get it. If not this year, it will be eventually. Just a matter of when I suppose.
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I think it's more about leverage
As long as Rubio is contract-less, he has leverage to potential force his situation out of Minny if he doesn’t want to be there. I don’t think he does. Once that contract is signed though, Minny holds the leverage for at least the next 5 years.
Rubio has no leverage.
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rephrase
Minnesota and David Kahn dealt the hand, Rubio has the cards, and he is not ready to ante.
by betweentheeyes on May 29, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Minnesota and David Kahn cooked Rubio a marbled medium rare filet mignon
but Rubio’s mom isn’t around to cut it for him :)
by wallywagon11 on May 29, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
We'll after this season he would have been through 3/5ths of that contract
and now he might be under a CBA that will treat the situation differently.
I actually agree with your assessment of the situation, but don’t think Rubio’s camp is playing this well.
This is a fair assessment of the situation.
But Rubio really has no leverage to force Minnesota to do anything with him and I doubt many NBA teams are as interested as they were 2 years ago. His value has declined a bit and I’m not sure many teams, unless they were desperate, are willing to go all in.
SPTS’s point about Rubio’s camp mismanaging him is an astute one because that is the case. They simply don’t get (Dan Fegan as an agent doesn’t help IMO) Rubio has no leverage in that Minnesota doesn’t ever have to offer Rubio anything beyond the rookie scale for the 5th pick. And what is the Wolves motivation to do so? None is the answer.
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Is he worth a #7 pick in this draft?
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Minnesota has no incentive
But David Kahn does. He is judged by his ability to assemble a team to win. He has not done that and used a #5 draft pick to boot. His #6 draft pick has not produced and his #4 the following year has yet to disprove his inadequacies. The FA acquisitions and trades are icing on the dog food.
by betweentheeyes on May 29, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah Kahn definitely does.
But he is not always in control of the Wolves as he is sometimes limited in what he can do. Whatever happens, Glen Taylor has the final say.
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I think he absolutely has leverage
It’s his ability to make money playing basketball overseas. As time goes on, the pressure increases on Minny to make something happen with Rubio. If he was a lower first round pick, I’d probably agree with you.
And I don’t doubt Rubio’s camp knows exactly what’s happening on the dollars and cents side. These guys are European, that doesn’t make them stupid when it comes to maximizing their dollars and cents.
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That's what many people think.
But, again, it’s easy to see either side of this. And, I don’t think David Kahn has a blank checkbook from Glen Taylor. In fact, I know he doesn’t. So, again, I doubt David Kahn wishes to open the bank for Rubio. What do the Wolves have to lose if Rubio doesn’t come?
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most of what they have to lose they have already lost
Steph Curry, Brandon Jennings, Ty Lawson (wouldn’t have made the trade if they chose differently, perhaps), Ramon Sessions, Luke Ridenour and 1.76 million hits to the YouTube video of William Shatner as James Tiberius Kirk screaming "Khannnnnnnnnnnn!!!
And to keep leading on those devoted and wonderful TPup fans just ain’t nice.
by betweentheeyes on May 30, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
All true.
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Kahn with 2 top 10 picks= My undivided attention
Especially in this crappy draft.
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I can but help wonder how will screw this up... Cause you KNOW he will do that!
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
The funny thing is that even if we knew what Kahn would pick,
we can’t be sure that Petrie will take Knight or Walker if they are available.
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by ZenBaller on May 29, 2011 12:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My guess (it's Kahn after all)
Is that he intends to land an established vet with those two picks
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
I would do that too.
Wolves need a reliable veteran to help their players out. They have a lot of young guys learning the league.
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No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
For instance I'd go after Rudy Gay haarrrrdddddddd if I was Kahn.
I’m not a big fan of Rudy Gay, but I think his talents fit in well with the Wolves.
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Except Memphis isn't trading Rudy.
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I don't see how they keep Gasol, Rudy and Battier
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by lietothegirls on May 29, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It all depends on the new CBA
And Battier is a Free Agent. It’ll be hard to bring him back for more than the minimum. If there is a hard cap though, then they might be open to trading Gay in order to keep Gasol. But not until then.
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That's the thing
We don’t even know if there will be a MLE. Dealing with the unknown here.
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I agree
therefore Battier may be the odd man out, but I think they’d actually be wisest to move Gay for some cheaper parts.
Am I the only one amazed
that with the 4th and 1st pick we are hearing Cavs rumors trying to trade up for the 2nd pick yet no rumors about them thinking about giving the 4th for Iggy?
I think I read something
That they offered the 4th and their trade exception?? or whatever it is called, for Rudy Gay. Grizz did not bite.
love thy underdog
by lemmetakeutodamovies on May 29, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
my 2 cents....
Instead of Williams, Kahn can go big or small (Kanter/Jonas/Knight/Kemba) at 4 and gets Burks at 8. I think Burks at 8 is the common denominator.
by getPGwithbounce on May 29, 2011 3:03 PM PDT reply actions
This could be it as well.
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Kahn???
Can someone tell me how Kahn still has his job?
The only thing worse than the results of his work as GM is when he opens his mouth. The guys an ex sportswriter who makes decisions like he is trying to sell newspapers instead of run a NBA Franchise.
Love having him pick ahead of us. As to what they should do…. they need talent everywhere…. so it goes back to best player wherever they pick…. even if thats a PG. Flynn is a career 2nd or 3rd stringer… same with Ridnour… Rubio is unproven and is probably a few years away from making a significant contribution.
Look at the Mavs and their rotation…. They have 3 what you may consider PGs on the floor at the same time at various points in the game…. and I don’t think its holding them back.
by KingsFanNoMatterWhat on May 29, 2011 9:11 PM PDT reply actions
Biyombo
As long as the Kings get Biyombo, I don’t care what Minny is thinking at 2, 4 or 8. B Knight would be small consolation. A return to Euro-land for the Kings? not what the team requires. Kemba? Please no.

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