SF Options
by OKO on May 5, 2011 10:46 PM PDT
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Lets assume that our 3 big man rotation will return with the signing of Dalembert. The starting SF position is the biggest question mark going into next season. I think we will see alot of Tyreke at the 3 playing next to Beno and Thornton, but probably not the featured lineup. With Tyreke, Thornton, and Cousins all dominating the ball, the SF has to be our primary wing defender and hopefully the leader the Kings have been searching for, but he probably wont be asked to do much offensively outside of hit of the open 3 and run the floor (Casspi at his best). So what are the options?
Most people believe that the team is too young and adding more youth is the wrong way to go. So outside of Derrick Williams, I dont think the SF is in the draft, at least not right away. Maybe one of the Euros becomes that guy, but it would be years down the road. I will also remove Wilson Chandler, Aaron Afflalo and Michael Pietrus from the list. They are all solid defenders and upgrades, but too young in my opinion.
Three names that I have heard from alot of people are Andre Igoudala, Danny Granger and Trevor Ariza. Trust me, I would love to have any of them, but I just dont see any reason why their respective teams would want to trade them. All three teams are young and rising, and trading these guys is a step backwards. All three teams are in solid cap shape and dont have to make a move for cap reasons. Ariza is the Hornets best wing player, Iggy is the Sixers best all around player, and Granger is the Pacers centerpiece. So dealing any is a step back to simply add youth, assuming Casspi/Greene and our lottery pick would be the our primary pieces in a deal. And I dont think Granger is a great fit either. Hes a great scorer, but look at the playoff teams, you cant win if you cant defend. So adding Granger is great for the offense, but not filling the primary needs at the 3 in my opinion. So Ill cross those 3 off my list simply cause it makes little sense for their teams to trade them.
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I think the CBA is gonna be the key for a trade for a veteran SF. If a hard cap is put in place, there will be several playoff teams in need of shedding cap and also looking to get younger. So a team like the Kings is in a great position to be the beneficiary of teams that cant afford to stay intact for next season. After checking the teams that would be in salary cut mode, here are the prime candidates that fit my criteria for the SF.
Shawn Marion- Dallas
Marion is a very good perimeter defender. He doesnt need the ball too much and Dallas is gonna be way way over the cap.
Concern- I dont know if Marion is a great leader. He basically forced his way out of Phoenix to be the guy in Toronto, and then fell on his face.
Trade- Im guessing Casspi/Greene and possibly swapping 1st rounders. Is that worth it? Im not sure
Gerald Wallace- Portland
Wallace is ideal for this spot. Hes a beast and Sacramento would welcome him back with open arms. Not sure hes an elite defender, but hes a leader for sure and demands his teammates play hard. Portland is going to have to cut salary, no doubt, and alot of the other contracts arent very tradeable.
Concern- Portland just gave up alot to get him, and Im sure dont want to trade him, its a longshot
Trade- Obviously our lottery pick and Casspi/Greene, and probably more. Maybe another future 1st rounder
Ron Artest- LA
This one makes some sense to bring Ron back to the Kings. The Lakers will be in cap hell with the new CBA and I dont think hes wanted there or wants to be there. He would become the primary perimeter defender and might embrace a role of the veteran leader
Concern- Ron being Ron. He still can lose it at any moment. He has lost a step, but how much does he have left and has his offensive game become so bad that it hurts the team even as a 4th option.
Trade- Im sure LA would do it straight up for Casspi or Greene. But its a huge risk to gamble that either of those guys becomes a star as a Laker
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The other route is to add a veteran free agent. But after re-signing MT and Sammy, adding another free agent at small forward makes a wide roster even wider. My fear with Westphal is that adding more players without clearing some out, is almost an impossible situation. Its like an alcoholic living next to a bar. If we do stand pat and dont hit the lottery, I would hope we lean towards a lottery pick that is not expected to play right away, one of the Euros or Boyombo. Sacramento will not be an ideal destination for most free agents. The losing, the location, and the uncertain future makes overpaying almost a necessity, and I dont see that happening with the Maloofs.
Can we make it work with Casspi, Greene, Garcia, and a free agent SF, and a draft pick? Im dont think so and I dont have a way to clear house without the above trades. Maybe trade Garcia and his contract to a team that wants Casspi or Greene for a mid to late 1? I think Chris Singleton has a chance to be an elite defender in that scenario. But I really really think we need to trim the roster one way or another. Heres my favorite FA options that fill the criteria.
I like AK 47's game. He plays D and is unselfish on O. Im not sure how signable he would be and if he has any interest in playing in Sacramento.
Battier is a perfect fit, but again, would he want to play in Sacramento? Im sure Memphis will do everything in their power to re-sign him
Tayshaun fits most of the needs, but hes not at the top of my list. I never saw him as a leader in Detroit, and his game may have declined. But, he may be the most signable of the top 3
This is my sleeper. Hes 38, but not that old in basketball years. He played 4 years at Duke and lost 5 years to injury. By comparison Kobe is 32 and has 1300 NBA games played to Hill's 1000.
Hill is a great leader and very good perimeter defender. Also, hes now hitting the 3. The most of his career in the last 2 seasons.
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The final 8 man rotation
Evans, Thornton, Vet SF, Cousins, Dalembert
Bench- Udrih, Casspi (clear role, no starts, no DNPs), JT
round out the 12 with any combination of Pooh, Whiteside, DBlock, draft picks, Garcia (if hes still here, but clearly out of the rotation)
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My favorite scenario is the deal for Wallace, but its the biggest longshot. But lets hope the new CBA forces Portlands hand and they like somebody where the Kings will be drafting.
Grant Hill is my 2nd favorite, then trading Garcia and Casspi/Greene for a late 1 and drafting a few prospects that dont see much action this season.
Shaun Marion is my 3rd option, but I think our 1 is overpaying, and Casspi would not be enough.
Of course if we get the 1 or 2 pick or we dont re-sign Thornton and/or Sammy then scrap all of this
(This is a FanPost from a member of the Sactown Royalty community. The views expressed come from the member, and not Sactown Royalty staff.)
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I'm not sure I agree with your entire premise
You start out with
The starting SF position is the biggest question mark going into next season. I think we will see a lot of Tyreke at the 3 playing next to Beno and Thornton, but probably not the featured lineup.
where I disagree is that almost every time we hear from Petrie or Westphal the first thing out of their mouths is ‘ball handling or playmaking’. and even the Maloofs are saying that they want to resign Sam and Marcus. So, I’m not sure there is enough cap space and/or talent to go out and get both of our FA’s and a SF and a ball handler/playmaker.
And, secondly, I don’t believe that Wilson Chandler is too young. And, while it’s clear that the NBA is pushing a hard cap as part of the CBA negotiations, it’s still unknown how that would be implemented. Gradually as the current contracts expire, or thru some exemptions, and so there is no telling how it is going to affect teams over the Luxury Tax. It may cause some teams to take our bad contract for their overpriced but valuable players. So, I don’t think that the best options are even visible right now. And, if they are then their probably not going to be block buster acquisitions.
So, I think that this discussions might have more direction, once the lottery determines where we will draft. Which might also shed some light on whether or not we do draft. If we do use the draft pick and we do resign our FA’s, there is going to be limit cap space and limited talent to trade, which should narrow down our options. Moving up to the 1st or 2nd pick in the draft is definitely going to change the entire direction of this discussion.
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I think we should stand pat
Give Omri and Donte a second chance. Shit, we Kings fans got a second chance with keeping our team. Both of them are still young(both of them can grow). We all know Omri would be a perfect fit if he could just play some D(this can be taught), and Donte if only he can play more consistently.
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For what it's worth, this would be a third and fourth chance, respectively.
We could also give Cisco a seventh chance while we’re at it.
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by andy sims on May 6, 2011 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good summary HT
After readining it, the first thought, was I don’t agree with the premise either.
I think the SF position is actually fine. With who we have under contract I think PG then PF/C are the two biggest needs we have. If we re-sign Daly then we need to address PG via the draft or trade. Thornton’s ours, we’ll match whatever he gets offered.
The SF position is covered. We got Cisco, Casspi, Greene and Tyreke to play the 3 spot. The more and more I think about it. I think Reke might have an extraordinary advantage at the 3 with his quickness and ball-handling. Very few SF’s could check him out on the perimeter. If we got say, “Kyrie Irving” to play the 1, then our entire back court and SF position is all 6-4 to 6-6. Interchangeable parts on defense and all tough covers on offense.
As far as Donte and Casspi go, they’re still YOUNG. One or both might make that quantam leap. I’d rather put our resources into sorting out the PG position and getting a huge upgrade there.
Although I want and believe Casspi can succeed
I disagree. The SF position hurt us far more than the PG position did last year, on both sides of the ball.
If we have the chance to address only one of those positions via FA my choice would be SF.
I also don’t understand why Wallace is more ‘gettable’ than Iggy or Ariza – but would be shocked if Granger was available in any way, shape or form. Philly needs to shoot for landing/devloping a ‘Star’ and New Orleans needs a true All-Star caliber partner for CP3, presumably on the inside (Gasol, Nene) but would almost certainly need to shed a contract to afford one of those guys. Philly is in much the same position.
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by lietothegirls on May 6, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The big question is what type of role will the SF play in PW's scheme?
If there not going to get high usage, and end up being a defender who can hit the corner 3, then how much of our resources do we expend to upgrade the position?
Some of the veterans that are being discussed (Battier, AK47, Prince) aren’t great 3pt shooters but bring vet knowledge and decent to great defense. I have to go along with Smills, in that some improvement on Casspi’s part in defense, or better rebounding on the part of Garcia or Greene and any of the three would fit into Westphal’s role for the SF.
Yes, even with Reke, Thornton and DeMarcus we probably do need another consistent scorer. But, that player could come at either the SF or PG position. And, to me the biggest need for improvement on this team besides defense is that we need to eliminate all the unnecessary turnovers.
Actually, with Denver needing to resign Nene should he opt out and possibly KMart and JR, and considering that they have Gallinari and Chandler plus Lawson and Felton, I like to see the Kings try to get Chandler and Felton. Then everyone would be happy.
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As far as role within the offense
The two main things I’d want from the SF position are defense and 3 point shooting, with maybe a little passing/playmaking ability to boot.
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Would you agree that the starting 3 is the most unknown of the 5 spots, as it was all year long?
With Udrih and Evans as combos and Thornton logging a ton of minutes at the 2, I dont agree at all that our biggest need is playmaking and ballhandling.
The lottery will determine what we do, I agree, I said multiple times that a high lottery pick would change everything.
Chandler is too young in my opinion. Hes not a Battier, Hill, Prince (maybe) player that would show the young guys how to practice, how to be professionals, accountable, etc
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by section214 on May 6, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Young or old
Wilson Chandler is a baller. Out of your list the only player I would want over Chandler would possibly be Battier. Wilson Chandler would be a very welcomed addition to this roster IMO.
PG: Tyreke
SG: MT23
SF: Wilson Chandler
PF:Cousins
C: Dalembert
As a starting 5, I believe thats a very solid roster. Offense from any of your starters besides Dalembert. Good interior D from Dalembert. Alot of our success still will ride on how well Tyreke and Cousins progress over the off season. MT23 intrigues me, lets hope he continues to improve over the off season aswell. Was there at the Here We Stay game vs the Clippers, MT23 carried us.
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I'm definitely not on the Wilson Chandler bandwagon.
I don’t think he’s much of an upgrade over what we got currently.
Anyone else
due to the relocation saga and it messing with our minds, thought this was about a possible move to San Fransisco? This reloacation stuff has messed with my thinking
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I will also remove Wilson Chandler, Aaron Afflalo and Michael Pietrus from the list. They are all solid defenders and upgrades, but too young in my opinion.
Pietrus is a 7 year NBA player, and played for 4 years professionally in Europe prior to that. How old should a player be to be considered a veteran, in your opinion?
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I would agree that Pietrus is a good option
even though he totally sucked this year.
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by caseycheesecake on May 6, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I honestly
would love to have Battier here. I think he’s a solid defender, can hit a three pointer or 2 and be the veteran leader needed in the locker room.
I think the guy we have the best shot at on this list is Prince.
Why?
I think both are good, but if you want to take someone to groom our SF’s to play quality D, Battier is your man, I’d say.
And if MT resigns, I think the emphasis will shift even more to having a SF that can play D.
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Grant Hill's defense has been excellent in reason years
I like that his game is more well rounded. Battier may be the better defender of the two, but I like that Grant Hill is proven winner, has ball-handling skills and is more of a threat on offense as well.
Hill is 39? and Battier is 33? Are they really going to leave Playoff teams to come here.
I think the only likely candidate to come to the Kings would be Prince. But, how much better than Cisco is he? And, can we move Cisco? I certainly don’t see us keeping Cisco and Prince. And, I’m not willing to give on Casspi just to add Prince. Or, to move Casspi to add a veteran who isn’t going to start for the next 4 years which would have Prince being our starting SF at 35.
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Prince is significantly better than Cisco
so it’s a matter of price, and if you trust him as your veteran leader. I don’t.
I’m not willing to give up on Casspi either, but with the current roster and coach, he will probably be the 2nd man off the bench. PW may want him to become a good defender, but he was never projected as one. Those things take time, and some good coaching. Maybe Doug Christie can act as Defense coach for Greene and Casspi?
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Prince is better but will he accept the SF role as defined by PW?
and as you said, at what price? Everyone seems to be looking at our assets (cap space, draft choice, trade able talent) like it’s some neverending wealth of riches. I never use to tell my wife when I got a bonus because she’d spend it 3 times over.
But, what the heck, none of those vets are coming to the 5th worst team in the league. So, it’s a moot point anyways.
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Hill
I think we have a better shot at Hill than Battier. Thats why I put him as my favorite. And the Suns werent a playoff team, so he would be leaving a team thats in the beginning of a rebuild.
Im not crazy about Prince, but isnt he a significant upgrade over Garcia at the defensive end? Serious question, I cant remember if Prince was an elite defender.
That brings me back to the point that if we do sign a FA, then Garcia has to go, and the only way I see that happening if by throwing in Casspi or Greene.
I would consider a Hill/Prince SF position with Casspi the clear backup (where he hopefully thrives) as an upgrade from what we currently have. But can we make that happen, who knows?
by OKO on May 6, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hill is just too damn old.
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by lietothegirls on May 6, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
If he were six years younger
Hill>>>>>>Battier. The man can defend well, handle the ball well enough to run the team, and still has that mid range game.
But too old, and probably wants to win a ring or retire.
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by kingsfan300 on May 7, 2011 11:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Look at Denver (Gallinari/Chandler)
First off I think have a SF who can shoot the 3 ball is big here. Reke can shoot (barely), and we can’t have only Thorton spread the floor. Denver has a few expendable people. And two of them may be Gallinari/Chandler…. I am happy having either of them, even though I really want Iggy (modest 3 point shooter I know)… With Gallinari you get better shooting and worse D, and Chandler the opposite.
Does anyone see Denver parting with either Gallinari or Chandler for a modest price? Or even wanting either of these two?
Im not really stoked on anyone on your list other than Iggy, Chandler, or Battier.
I would take either of those guys.
But I’m probably in the minority when I say I really want Gallinari.
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by caseycheesecake on May 6, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
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by lietothegirls on May 6, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I like Chandler and I think he'll be available should Nene opt out
If he does, Denver will be at $30M in salary but they need to resign Nene, Kmart & JR. So, they might we willing to part with one of the SF and one of the PG’s. If we have enough to trade is another question.
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Denver won't trade gallinari
that was the main piece of the carmelo trade, and they’re hoping he will become their next star
I agree. Gallinari is going no where.
I do think that a Felton for Udrih makes a ton of sense for both teams. Denver is going to let JR Smith walk so they could use more of a combo like Beno to play behind and alongside Lawson. While not as good offensively, Felton is a much better defender than Beno. Just a trade thought for you involving Denver.
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Under this trade-
Felton would most likely start alongside Evans, leaving Thornton to come off the bench as a high impact 6 man,
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If anything, we need to UPGRADE BENO.
If you disagree with me, you aren’t watching him on defense. I don’t care if he scores 15 points a game when he’s responsible for giving up 25. I don’t want to get rid of Greene or Caspi just to turn around a few years later and try to figure out a way to get them back on the team (read Wallace). I’m all for staying the course and give them a full year of development together with more clearly defined roles and better play calling. Especially coming out of timeouts.
The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.
Statistically I think you'll find it's the SF position that we have been getting killed at.
And who would take on Beno’s contract? Though I think you are too hard on him, he’s not a Star but he’s a very good, very consistant third guard.
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by lietothegirls on May 6, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually 82games.com has PG as the least productive although SF has the lowest Pers
PG production compared to our opponents is negative 4.7 pts
SG production is positive 0.8
SF production is negative 3.3
PF production is negative 0.1
C production is positive 1.9
Link: http://www.82games.com/1011/1011SAC5.HTM
And, as BMatt pointed out with Beno starting that is our weakest position. So, I guess it all depends on whether your talking Offense or Defense.
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You have to factor in Evans injury into this.
I don’t think the PG position would look as bad if Evans and Thornton were the starters.
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Agreed.
I couldn’t think of the proper response to it before, but JJ’s response I think is where I’d factor that in. It hurts both the PG & SG position since Reke is often seen as a SG as he is a PG.
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100% agree
Beno isn’t a starter on anything more than an 8th seed perennial struggle to get in the playoffs team. Hopefully Marcus and Tyreke start and Beno is the perfect 3rd guard, like JT is the perfect 3rd big.
I still think we address SF, as it’s more pressing. I really reallly really want to see Donte succeed, but I didn’t see it last year.
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by TheFifthMookie on May 6, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t want to get rid of Greene or Caspi just to turn around a few years later and try to figure out a way to get them back on the team (read Wallace)
Excuse me while I choke of laughter. You just compared Donte Greene and Omri Casspi to Gerald Wallace. I’ve gotta go. Still busy choking myself to death at this absurd comparison.
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Its pretty easy to say that now
its also arguable that omri and donte have shown more over the first couple years of their careers than GW ever did
And come on, its gerald wallace he compared them to. A nice player. A sometime eastern conf all star. not lebron james or larry bird. Not so ridiculous.
by lchristmas on May 7, 2011 7:21 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Extremely ridiculous.
Just because you don’t see it doesn’t make it any less ridiculous.
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Wallace
everyone likes GW, but lets not get carried away. Hes a 1? time All-Star, who hasnt made it out of the 1st round, post Sacramento.
Im pretty sure Casspi will turn into a very good player at some point, and no reason to think its impossible he wont be as good or better than Wallace
by OKO on May 7, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Casspi - Greene, too
But I’d be willing to bet money that neither one ever sniffs an all star berth. True, anything’s possible. But I’d be willing to bet against it.
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This.
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I wasn't comparing the players,
I was comparing the desire to try and get them back on the team because we gave up on them too soon.
I think Donte can be really really good if he focussed. Am I the only one that is annoyed that he goofs around during shoot around before a game? Compared to a lot of players, he just doesn’t seem to have much focus.
The glass is usually twice as big as it needs to be.
If you let them go..
…it really does imply that you are willing to let them go for a reason. I doubt Geoff Petrie has regretted letting Gerald Wallace go.
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There's about as much possibility of those guys being like Wallace as me winning the Lotto
There’s always wishful thinking about what might be, but that won’t help you win games now.
"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)
by kwill on May 6, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
They aren’t like Wallace in terms of style (or talent—although Donte has more offensive skill at the same age than Gerald had—but G-Dub was a freak athlete) and don’t have his physical gifts.
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He compared them in terms of not giving up too early and regretting it
Not athletically. Such a comparison would be ridiculous.
by lchristmas on May 7, 2011 10:57 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The Kings didn't give up on G-Dub.
They gave up on the idea that he would be an effective player for them. In that regard, I think they were right. It’s not like G-Dub was a guarantee to stay if he had gotten minutes. It’s not even a guarantee he would have gotten minutes at that point. It’s not like G-Dub was an automatic replacement for Doug Christie (which was why he was drafted IMO) and thus he was not a better player than Peja Stojakovic or Chris Webber at that time. I doubt he would have been happy being an off the bench F playing limited minutes.
You can be romantic about this all you like. But you don’t clearly remember all the circumstances that led to the Kings “letting” Gerald Wallace being exposed in the expansion draft. If you wish to dwell, and it’s clear you do, than dwell. But you’re still ridiculous for believing that there was a happy conclusion with G-Dub coming down the pike if the Kings hadn’t exposed G-Dub to the Bobcats.
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What am I dwelling on? Who are you arguing with?
my point was that it is not altogether ridiculous to analogize the situations with letting a young and obviously talented player get away, regardless of why they haven’t lived up to their perceived potential.
Leaving gerald unprotected in the expansion draft was a necessary evil at the time. And I can’t really look back and say how it could or should have been done differently.
I clearly remember the circumstances just fine and im not sure who you’re talk ing to in your last paragraph but it doesn’t refer to anything I have said.
by lchristmas on May 7, 2011 12:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It is ridiuclous.
You’re comparing different players in different situations who would be leaving the team differently (trade mainly as Omri & Donte aren’t likely to be waived), and thus it is ridiculous.
Oh and you replied to me. That’s why it’s directed to you.
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You referred to someone who was dwelling and waxing romantic
neither of which was me. hence my confusion. The original guy who posted didn’t do that either. Neither has anyone suggested athletic similarities between GW and anyone.
just set up screen name “straw man” if you want to argue with things nobody is saying
by lchristmas on May 7, 2011 6:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not every comparison has to be perfect
Wallace was a young player who left here and became an all-star. We wouldn’t want any of our current young players to leave before becoming the same. It doesn’t matter why wallace left. It doesnt matter how these guys would leave. It wasn’t the point. And the point was in no way ridiculous, the powerful “its ridiculous because I say so” argument deservedly ignored.
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One of the big reasons for a team’s inconsistency is if a team is constantly changing around. The only exception is if you throw a bunch of superstars onto the same team (ala Heat). I think it’s best to stay put with what we got and only use bench players to rotate chairs.
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First off, section I know you hit the reply button, that last one was a mistake
I think Wallace was more “gettable than Iggy and Ariza” because of their teams cap situation and the new CBA. I heard Stern talk that the biggest thing in the CBA is to level out the caps, this wont happen over night, yes there will be buyouts, cap exemptions, time to let contracts expire, etc. But, Portland is way way over and Wallace is their most tradeable high dollar asset, having said that I think he will stay put, but they might might consider trading him if they got a nice deal for him.
Part of my article was to establish that we have to clear the logjam at the 3, its gonna happen one way or another. If Greene or Casspi ride the DNP-CD next season, it will get ugly. I think with Garcia, Casspi, Greene, Evans, and possible draft pick in the mix, that rotation can NOT work with PW.
HT, you seem to be really sold on Wilson Chandler. I have to admit I have not seen his game that much, but I wonder how much of an upgrade he would be? A clear starter or just another guy in the 3 mix?
This season is the biggest in Sacramento history, put up or shut up. I dont think the Anaheim situation ever gets to the edge if the team was winning or at least on the rise.
2 last things… any thoughts on Marion or Artest?
Is there a possibility we trade up to get Irving or Williams? Which lottery teams might bite on that? And what would it take? Our 1, Casspi, next years 1?
Well Chandler is 24 with 4 years of experience
He rebounds like Casspi, blocks shots better then Cisco and steals as well as anyone of our 3. He’s a consistent 50% eFG% from beyond the arc, and averages better then 66% at the rim. and, he gets to the rim on his own. He has good size and decent athleticism and moves well without the ball.
Right now he has the best attributes of our guy but could be a slightly better 3pt shooter. He still has some room for growth. As with any player, you can’t always go by what he’s done in the past, but where you think he’ll be in a couple of years. So, mostly it’s just a matter of opinion on my part that he’s better then Cisco now, and will be better than Casspi in the future.
As far as trading up, i think you’d have to have a team without a need for a PG or SF in able to move up into the top 2 which are the only position I would be willing to move up into. but I wouldn’t give up much more than this years #1 and 2nd rounder along with a player like Taylor or Whiteside.
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I wouldn’t mind Marion, and think he would work well as part of the closing minutes 3 guard lineup, playing the 4 next to cousins. He is a good FT shooter and an all around defender. Wish he brought 3pt shooting rather than rebounding as a secondary skill though.
And I don’t ever want to see Artest in a Kings uniform again. Not sure what kind of veteran leadership he could provide, besides an example of what not to do.
Imagine you could have a do-over with Fred Lewis, without the bad routes and melancholy. I grant you Chris Lofton.
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How about bringing Predrag back home?
Pretty sure he is a UFA and cant imagine hes back in Dallas with the new CBA.
He fits perfect in PWs offense and is the veteran everyone is looking for. Not sure how great of leader he is, but certainly has been around winning (maybe a ring this year).
Defensively hes a liability, and always a health risk, but he fits 2 or the 3 criteria were all looking for. We would have to then have our defensive stopper come from within or the draft. No reason Evans cant become that guy, or Casspi, or Chris Singleton from FSU
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Casspi and Garcia there for now, i mean we really just need to get older, but if we MUST then go after AK47
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