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NBA Mock Draft 2011: Chad Ford Has Kings Taking Kemba Walker

HOUSTON, TX - APRIL 04:  Kemba Walker #15 of the Connecticut Huskies cuts down the net after defeating the Butler Bulldogs to win the National Championship Game of the 2011 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Tournament by a score of 53-41 at Reliant Stadium on April 4, 2011 in Houston, Texas.  (Photo by Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

ESPN's Chad Ford has released his first official 2011 NBA Mock Draft of the season. He places a player already mentioned by at least one Sacramento King (Tyreke Evans), star guard Kemba Walker.

The Kings have finally come to two realizations in the past year. One, Tyreke Evans isn't a point guard. Two, character and leadership matter. Enter Walker. Not only does he play the right position, but no one in college basketball showed more heart, leadership or a desire to win than Kemba this past season. He has his weaknesses, but he should give the Kings something they really haven't had in a while -- a winner.

None of Ford's testimony is necessarily true; the Kings certainly haven't announced that Evans will not play point guard going forward, given that 'Reke played with Marcus Thornton (a true shooting guard) a lot in the final weeks of the season, with Beno Udrih on the bench. I'll also note that it's unclear Walker will be any more of a point guard than Evans is.

But that said, while I'm not completely sold Walker can translate to the NBA in terms of a high-usage guard, it's a solid pick that would seem to have a serious chance of coming true. The Kings have said they need another guard, and Walker's the No. 2 guard on the board behind Kyrie Irving.

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I have serious doubts on Kemba ever becoming a great NBA player

If you’re picking top five you should shoot for someone with Star potential, win or lose.

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 12:10 PM PDT reply actions  

Not trying to start an argument...

But I’m curious what about Kemba indicates his lack of star potential. I see that he has good, if not great, athleticism; good shooting touch, good ball-handling, good on-ball defense.

Other than his size, I don’t understand the knocks. Curious to hear your thoughts.

by misterbrister on May 5, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I tend to agree that his size should be the biggest (perhaps sole) concern

I think that his high volume shooting and relatively low shooting percentage were a result of his team needing that from him. If the Kings draft him he wouldn’t shoot nearly as much and his FG% would improve. I think he has the tools to be a successful PG, and we mustn’t forget that there are plenty of small successful PG’s in the league. From what I’ve observed, Brandon Knight doesn’t have the type of game-changing athleticism that Kemba has, which is why I think Kemba has a better chance of being a great player. I could see him putting together a similar rookie season to that of Brandon Jennings perhaps.

by amack10 on May 5, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe you nailed it in your comments

He’s just “good” the skill areas you mentioned. Not only that, but he’s just “good” after 3 years of college, so I’m not sure about his long term potential. Only good athleticism. And small size.

He might end up being a good player in this league, but as a top 5 lotto pick, I’d prefer some greatness (or potential for greatness) in there.

by sactoreg on May 5, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

That pretty much sums up my feelings on him

Like I said, a top 5 pick should shoot for a Star

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

When there is only 2 Stars in a weak draft...

I see the Kings going for need more than Star power. With a lack of physical big men, I believe the Kings will address their need at guard (notice I didn’t say PG) who can make the game easier for his teammates.

Actually, I would love the Kings to pull a Kahn and get 2 guard prospects in this draft. I would love the Kings to get Walker or Knight in the first round and hoping that Nolan Smith falls to them in the second round. Part of my thinking was that I was looking at some 2012 mock drafts and found that there is a ton of big men prospects there but not many “PG” options. So I feel the Kings need to ensure that the fill their guard needs in this draft.

Lastly, I have seen K. Walker being compared to alot of past NBA players. Being an “older” fan of the NBA, Walker’s game reminds me more of Vinny “The Microwave” Johnson for the Detriot Bad Boys Days. Having someone coming off the bench with some offensive firepower wouldnt be bad for the Kings as well.

by Fredman on May 5, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

Some see Tim Hardaway. I see Bobby Jackson.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

And while Bobby was one of my favorite players from the Glory Days

You don’t want to be taking 6th men with the #5 pick in the draft.

I do think that in the right situation Kemba could flourish, as a smaller version of Marcus Thornton.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't hate on James Harden bro.

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by iashwash on May 5, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I do

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think James Harden is great

And the only reason he’s not starting is that OKC has plenty of offense in their starting lineup with Durant and Westbrook and like that scoring punch off the bench (also Sefolosha is their designated stopper).

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were right to take Harden over Tyreke.

He’s a great fit there.

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by Juan Primo on May 5, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

But not for some of the smartass youngins that know everything.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

I don’t think he’s a better player than Tyreke, but they are a better team with him than they would have been with Tyreke.

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by otis29 on May 5, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

How good do you think Harden would be if

he got more touches on a worse team, say Sacramento?

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think it would've hurt Harden

He works well when he doesn’t have to carry the load. The Kings desperately needed a guy like Tyreke. It was the right pick for both teams.

Memphis is the ones who really screwed up, they could’ve really used Tyreke as well.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Memphis would be a lot better off if they took Eric Gordon.

Not Tyreke.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

I think they thought Mayo was better than Gordon. Not a good idea IMO.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

No it's not.

I’m not talking about 2009 when I mention Gordon. I was talking about 2008 at that point. I know that was not the original topic, but that’s why I interjected with Gordon. i thought that was the bigger mistake. Memphis just caught a top 2 pick at a really bad time in 2009.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really bad time?

They had a chance to draft Reke, Curry, Harden, Jennings, Derozan, Holiday…

Instead they took Thabeet and traded him for an expiring contract.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sure there were a lot of great players on the board..

But I understand the hype around Thabeet. I’m sure a lot of teams would have picked him over those guys.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're missing the point.

At any rate, moving on.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a reason Bobby went 24th in the draft.

There’s a reason the Kings signed B-Jax to that 5 year contract worth 15 million.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am with Aykis on this one

I can never get too excited over high volume, low-percentage shooters. He might have a fine NBA career, but I hope we get more creative with our pick.

by MichaelMack on May 5, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Worth noting here

Walker had a 54.3 TS% despite having the highest USG% on the team (and 26th in the country) and that was the 2nd highest on UConn for their team.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like the kid, but I think he's too small.

If he was John Wall-quick, I’d feel differently, but he’s not. And if he’s listed at 6’0", then he’s 5’10" at best.

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by andy sims on May 5, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Chris Paul is listed at 6'0"

Not saying Walker has that kind of talent, of course. Just pointing out that there are great PGs out there at the same height.

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by PhutureKings on May 5, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd agree short PGs like CP3 can be great

But it doesn’t discount the thought that Kemba’s smallish size is a negative…I feel that Chris Paul is a great player despite his size

by sactoreg on May 5, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Chris Paul..

…also had a 65.6 TS% his freshman season and a 61.1 TS% his sophomore season.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

In fairness though

Paul’s USG% was 23.3 % in his sophomore season and Pom doesn’t have it for the 2004 season. (I’m not calculating it.)

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

can we draft

Dwight Howard in the second round?

Where's my pie

by TheFifthMookie on May 5, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know about that Chris Paul. Ive seen red flags

like that Demarcus Cousins. I’d rather take Wesley Johnson. superstar!

by BearKing on May 5, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I see how it is BK.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he could suck at that like Nowitzki...

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by MustangMBS on May 5, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

did someone say....

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by kwill on May 5, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

CP3 showed all the signs of greatness

I saw him at Arco early in his rookie season and some guy next to me said something about him being small – I told him I saw something special ready to emerge.

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

What were you going to email me?

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I thought we were going to become best friends.

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by caseycheesecake on May 6, 2011 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whoa.
I told him I saw something special ready to emerge.

You really, really liked Chris Paul, I guess.

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by Juan Primo on May 5, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Depending on how the draft order shakes out...

…if we are in a high lotto pick position and guards are still “ranked” about where they are today (Irving, then Walker, then Knight)…then if we are in a position to grab Walker, I’d prefer to trade down a spot or two and pick up Brandon Knight instead.

by sactoreg on May 5, 2011 12:18 PM PDT reply actions  

i have my doubts about kemba too

i think i would rather find a team who is in love with his potential and attempt to work a trade to assess our needs…

by corpse916 on May 5, 2011 12:19 PM PDT reply actions  

same here

I like him because he’s excellent in transition, can make shots and he’s a compettiter but, I can’t see him dominating the nba mainly because of his height. Maybe if he had Nate Robinsons athleticism I think he’d have a better shot

by Chent on May 5, 2011 12:21 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

see my above comment re: CP3

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by PhutureKings on May 5, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

He has a chance

Dont get me wrong I loved him in college. And Chris paul is an excellent comparison, It’s just so rare. And on our team with Tyreke mainly dominating the ball I dont think he would work out. You know the more i think about it im on the fence… Heart is a big factor, but then you can look at it and think Johnny Flynn had tremendous heart too.

by Chent on May 5, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

The style of play isn't a great comparison

Kemba is nothing like Chris Paul in the way he plays.

by jstnblke41 on May 6, 2011 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don't Have Espn Insider

Anyone want to sum up the rest of the mock draft?

by maloof-fool-am on May 5, 2011 12:26 PM PDT reply actions  

I'll post the picks

1. Minnesota- Kyrie Irving PG Duke
2. Cleveland- Derrick WIlliams SF Arizona
3. Toronto- Enes Kanter C Kentucky/Turkey
4. Washington- Jan Vesely PF Czech Republic
5. Sacramento- Kemba Walker PG UConn
6. Utah(via New Jersey)- Brandon Knight PG Kentucky
7. Detroit- Bismack Boyombo SF Congo
8. Cleveland(via Clippers)- Jonas Valanciunas PF Lituania
9. Charlotte- Kawahi Leonard SF San Diego State
10. Milwaukee- Tristan Thompson PF Texas
11. Golden State- Terrence Jones SF Kentucky
12. Utah- Alec Burks SG Colorado
13. Phoenix- Jimmermania G BYU
14. Houston- Jordan Hamilton SF Texas
15. Indiana- Marcus Morris PF Kansas
16. Philadelphia- Donatas Motiejunas PF Lituania
17. New York- Markieff Morris PF/C Kansas
18. Washington(via Atlanta)- Klay Thompson G Washington State
19. Charlotte(via New Orleans)- Reggie Jackson PG Boston College
20. Minnesota(via Memphis)- Nikola Mirotic SF Serbia
21. Portland- Kenneth Faried PF Morehead State
22. Denver- Tobias Harris PF Tennessee
23. Houston (via Orlando)- Darius Morris PG Michigan
24. Oklahoma City- Tyler Honeycutt G/F UCLA
25. Boston- Chris Singleton SF Florida State
26. Dallas- Davis Bertans SF Latvia
27. New Jersey(via Redacted)- Justin Harper PF Richmond
28. Chicago (via Miami)- Charles Jenkins SG Hoftstra
29. San Antonio- Lucas Noguiera C Brazil
30. Chicago- Bogan Bogdanovic SF Croatia

by james_kevin18 on May 5, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for posting

but honestly until we know the official order this serves little purpose. after the lottery is announced, then this will be important.

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by lars.ON on May 5, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

right

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Utah passes on Jimmer at 12?

Really?

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by Nutterball on May 6, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

We have three solid combo guards in Beno, Evans, and Thornton

If we end up with another guard, it should be a great ball handler/distributor. I’d also prefer that it be a veteran. But I trust GP here. If he thinks Knight or Walker is the guy, I say go for it. As far as trading down one spot, that’s almost impossible to do. You have to tell the team picking after you that you are willing to pass on the player they want, which gives them no reason to trade up with you. Better to just take what you want unless you are trading way down or way up.

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by SavageBeast on May 5, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Plus with a weak draft

I don’t see too many teams eager to trade up. Going back to the size issue, I really feel that is overblown. Size isn’t everything, Kemba does so many other things well that his stature isn’t a handicap. With his talent and work ethic, I would be stoked if he fell to us at five.

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She only told you that to make you feel better..

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by MustangMBS on May 5, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions   4 recs

This is such a difficult draft to get your arms around

There is such a lack of proven collegiate talent. I mean, you have Derrick Williams and Kemba Walker as proven college talents, with probably Jimmer Fridette coming to mind next.

Kyrie Irving is perhaps the #1 pick in spite of not playing much, and Enes Kanter may be in the top 3 after not playing at Kentucky at all.

Terrence Jones and Brandon Knight (who I probably like better than Walker) showed flashes, as did Kawhi Leonard.

International men of intrigue include Veseley, Valanciunas and Biyombo.

My list today probably has Walker at 7 or 8, with Irving, Williams, Kanter, Vesely and Valanciunas making out my top five. But I’m really, really ignorant to the ins and outs of each players game at this point in time.

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by section214 on May 5, 2011 12:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I have Knight higher on my list than Kemba as well

But I have doubts about him as well.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

agree about knight over walker

It is too soon to tell, but I dont think that Petrie will go with a guard unless one of them knocks his socks off in pre-draft workouts. I also think that if the kings are not in the top 2 (Williams or Irving) that petrie could look closely at best SF available or possibly a PF. I would guess Vesely, Valanciunas, maybe Marcus Morris…with the Petrie darkhorse special being Jordan Hamilton.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is the kind of draft

where I could see Petrie taking someone that is projected a lot lower, one of his surprise picks.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Alec Burks step on down!

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know if this is sarcasm or not..

But I love Burks, just not for this team. Don’t think he’s falling to 12 either.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why not for the KIngs?

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Although some people think he could play the 1, I think he's a pure 2 guard

A two guard who can’t shoot either, and we already have Evans. Burks doesn’t address any of our needs.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burks seems more athletic to me.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hence the -ish

I agree with you on the athleticism.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

True, but do we really need an Evan Turner-ish type player?

He’s long, athletic and can finish. But struggles on D (although there’s potential), and doesn’t have a perimeter jumper at all.

His strengths are in iso situations, but I don’t want a player like that.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Burks solves more problems than you think.

Can’t have 5 shooters, post up players, or drivers on the court. To some degree, you’re always going to have guys who do duplicate some skills in different ways.

It’s the question of can Burks really add something to the table or can’t he? The Kings will have their answers by draft day, and, I think, probably trade the pick on draft day after all that evaluation. (Assuming the pick gets traded.)

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sure we can't have 5 shooters,

But you need a few. And shooting might be the Kings biggest weakness at the moment. Do you really want a backcourt with Beno, Reke, Burks and Thornton?

Reke and Burks seem too repetitive to me. GP said we need another ballhandler and some 3PT shooting, none of which Burks brings to the table. Unless you think he can potentially play the one. Some think he can, but I certainly don’t.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind it at all.

Wouldn’t mind if the backcourt was Beno, Thornton, Reke and Iggy. I don’t see why that principle wouldn’t apply to Burks.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Iggy is a SF

I’d love Iggy because he’s an accomplished player, whose a tremendous defender and passer. But if we added him we’d had to add another shooter in the back court.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

NO he's a swingman.

He plays both SG & SF.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rarely,

The 76ers almost always had two guards out there with him.. whether it was Holiday, Williams Meeks, or Turner. I’d expect him to solely play the 3 if we somehow were able to get him.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

He also played SG after Iverson and before Holiday came there.

He’s interchangeable at both IMO.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would you want him to play the 2 for us?

Like Burks, I think it gets repetitive. I love Iggy, and he’d fit in better because he can play the 3.. something Burks can’t do.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really care.

Pair him with Thornton and Reke, and you pick which matchup works best for the Kings defensively.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it our destiny to fill our roster with combo guards

Evans and Burks could form an interesting backcourt, with both being half of a point guard. You could play them together and create mismatches with their size on the offensive end and I also think they could be a pretty good tandem on defense. I also think you could play either one of them with Thornton or Beno, and create a really good guard rotation.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's the possibility you'd be looking at if you take Burks.

I think Burks is a potential fallback option and not necessarily the one the Kings would prefer. They would love to trade the pick for a Danny Granger/Andre Iguodala (assuming either one is available) and have the cap room to absorb both for just the pick alone.

So, I don’t know. I’m hoping the KIngs could get a vet player like Iggy or DG. A top 2 maybe 3 pick is probably the only way to even consider the Pacers/Sixers to give up those players.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Wow

If we could get IGGY or DG for pick then I would be thru the roof.

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep the pick

And sign Tayshaun Prince. Fills part of the savvy veteran quota, solid defender (although not what he used to be) and he’s won a championship. Doug Christie 2.0.

by spacetruckin55 on May 5, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I still dont understand the belief that DG or Iggy are walking through that door

I think there is a possibility that the kings trade their pick for a veteran since our pick is one of our assets we would be willing to give up, but I dont think DG or Iggy are on the table for the Kings. What other vets are out there at SF that make sense for the this team? (AK, Prince, Thad Young is a restricted free agent, but I dont see Philly letting a team outbid them for his services) Im sure we can figure out a better list of vets that are actually attainable for the kings.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Can't trade a potential FA unless it's a sign and trade.

No FA can be traded for at this point. That’s one reason you’re not hearing talk like that.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

The Kings had B-Jaxx scouting Burks

a few times this season.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I believe it.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's interesting.

But I’m going to assume Walker, Knight or Vesely will still be on the board when the Kings are picking, and all three fit in better than Burks would.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again....

….I think you’re arguing need over talent. Vesely, Terrence Jones and Alec Burks I think would be the 3 finalists for the Kings assuming they can’t move the pick outright and end up at 5.

As far as moving the pick, there are so many factors there. That starts with: Is said team willing to move player?

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't you think he'd be considered a top 3 pick if he could?

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possibly

But he can’t, so its a moot point.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think so.

But to draft Burks expecting him to improve his 3PT shot is too much of a reach in my opinion.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burks hit 82% from the line..

…and 29% from 3. He isn’t as bad shooting as Turner was at OSU and got to the FT line a lot more than Turner did. The only thing Evan Turner did at the college level was hit the college 3 at a higher clip. But he took a lot less attempts from there than Burks did too.

I think Burks shooting has a possibility to get better. So, I wouldn’t sleep on him myself. That’s me.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well not a lot more to the line.

More than Turner did in his Jr year (but less than Turner’s sophomore campaign). I see why Alec Burks is shooting up the charts right now. He really should be.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great player.

I’m expecting him to go top 10. Possibly to Utah, Cleveland or Milwaukee. But not for this team.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Precisely.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he will move up for sure

The more youtube videos I see of him the more I like him. Reminds me a little of Demar Derozan

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's actually not a bad comparison,

Burks is less athletic, is more of a guard and has a better shot though.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah Burks is not a turbo charged athlete like DeRozan.

But DeRozan isn’t nearly as skilled as Burks is either. Rather have Burks I think looking at his numbers. Guys like DeRozan can have great careers, but his short USC career did not wow me at all.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Which he can't.

Do you really think that Terrence Jones or more talented than Brandon Knight? They played on the same team, and it was pretty clear who the better player was. I liked Jones earlier in the year, but am not sold on him at all at this point. Luckily it looks like we’ll be picking too early to grab him, unless we fall to 7 and he’s the best available, which is unlikely.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

No such thing as too early in this draft.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or any draft really.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

True.

He’s a much worse version of Derrick Williams (who I don’t think will be good in the NBA)

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not feeling the Derrick Williams love either.

I just don’t like his range shooting the ball is what it is. It’s not good enough right now IMO to be effective at the NBA level. Kinda like Pooh Jeter, but nobody argued that Pooh could be the #1 pick.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

He gets so much love because of the 3PT percentage.

All of which were spot up, wide open shots. I’m not sold on the NBA range AT ALL.

Not to mention he turns the ball over a ton, can’t play defense, or defensive rebound.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Corliss redux. While I loved Corliss, he was not a top 10 pick for a reason.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

For our purposes

Id take T. Jones over Kemba

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Walker BUT....

This draft is deep with PG’s in a sense. Id rather trade down if not taking Kyrie I think at least at this point. Sadly there are no SF’s in this draft (besides Williams if you see him as a SF) which is the biggest need. But based on the CBA we may be in need of a big as well as if the rules of new CBA dont help us keep the likes of Dalambert we will have a much larger hole in the front court than anywhere else.

by WebberDynasty on May 5, 2011 12:40 PM PDT reply actions  

If we do not get the first or second pick...

I would love to trade down and get Terrence Jones. Really feel he has the potential to be a solid starter in the league. Left handed small forward that can handle the rock at 6’8, solid perimeter game. He is very athletic, can run the floor and is long enough to be a very solid defender. The more I watch him the more I like his game..

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by mdotbrown on May 5, 2011 12:52 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Im with you on this one

I really think that Jones can be a great defender, especially a help defender and hes got a pretty good shot. The more i watch him the more i think that he will be a good if not great NBA scorer.

by Merickel on May 5, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jones is a tweener like Williams

I see him more as a face up 4 rather than a 3, and I don’t trust his perimeter game just yet. He started off hot, but for a majority of the season he really struggled with his shot.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jones...

Was clearly not the best player on his own team. Noway we would draft him if Knight was available IMO. Take the BPA

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

His release is really slow,

however I dot remember him struggling much from the perimeter. Maybe I am missing something but he has been pretty solid this season with his perimeter game.

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by mdotbrown on May 5, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Taken from DraftExpress:

“After averaging nearly 20 points per contest 16 games into the season—on 37% shooting from beyond the arc—Jones only hit the 20 point mark again twice over the final 22 games of the season, and saw his perimeter shooting come down to earth in a major way, converting just 27% of his 3-point attempts in that span.”

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wasn't really referring to his 3 point game

But that is a good post..More in that 18-20 foot range. You know, the lost art of the Midrange jumper. I should have been a bit clearer

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by mdotbrown on May 5, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ohh, I see..

Well that may be true, but I don’t think he’s a true 3 anyway.. which is what I’d prefer us to draft.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

100% Agree

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by mdotbrown on May 5, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's like saying that someone is between the range of Charles Manson and Mike Brady

Wright wouldn’t book time on the Kings, while Young could be the starting 3 (though his lack of 3 point shooting could be a bit troublesome).

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by section214 on May 5, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I can understand not thinking he will be as good as Odom, but Wright and Young? He is more polished right now than either of them. He can shoot, he can bring the ball up, he can post occasionally, decent shot blocker and rebounder. 6-9 250. I couldnt disagree with your comparisons more

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by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Eh, I'd much prefer Kemba to Jones. I saw Jones up close living in Kentucky all season.

He’s a bit overrated. I don’t think he’ll be as good as Thad Young is, but better than Julian Wright.

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He fell off a bit at the end

But he was near dominant to start, and having watched him play high school in Portland he is good shooter. He is already better offensive player than both of them

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really have an opinion on any of the players in the draft

All I’ll say is if there isn’t a player who can step in & start or be a long term starter by mid-season trade the pick. No more projects or bench Players. We have a team full of them.

Maybe Utah feels Harris isn’t the future at PG. We can do a sign & trade for AK47?

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by allbenji's on May 5, 2011 12:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

You guys act like trading down does so much for the team

Trading down works great in football because you’re trying to fill a roster of 52. What are you getting by trading down? a late 2nd round pick? because Kings have really been drafting 2nd round picks that have been producing…
So then what, trade down to get money incentives? already dipped below league minimum this last season, so i think we’re good there.
All you can do is TAKE THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE. I don’t think Kemba is necessarily the answer, but he’s a still a solid player. I don’t see OKC complaining about James Harden coming off the bench to drop 21 pts against memphis in Game 2

by JVinci on May 5, 2011 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Trading down helps if the Kings want to use the pick to land a player from another team as well

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by kingsfan300 on May 5, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

what player on another team is worth trading up for...

that we could land? the only thing a team would do is trade our pick only for a player of theirs only. And with this weak draft class, I think Kings would be better off just keeping the pick and staying put.

by JVinci on May 5, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well we're debating Walker when don't even know where the Kings are picking

So the first and second pick could still be in play for us. Jerry Reynolds has been on record as saying this is a weaker draft than the past years and has also said that the Kings could potentially trade for another player.

Even with the injury history, Danny Granger has been mentioned as a possible player to trade for, as he has good size for his position and can shoot the three. Iguodala has also been mentioned, although less likely, considering they have Thaddeus Young and Jrue Holiday, but you never know. The team was just swept out the first round, so they may try and trade some pieces and try to start over with their team.

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by kingsfan300 on May 5, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

danny granger is who everyone talks about

but has never posted an article showing that the pacers even want to deal him. This isn’t NBA 2K11 lol.

Besides, they would want more than just the first round pick for granger. probably granger for 1st round pick, us to take on one of their bad contracts, and maybe greene or casspi. and that’s me being hopeful that’s all they would want

by JVinci on May 5, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

They're a team that has been hovering around (not at) the 8th spot in the East for quite a few years

One of these days, they’ll need to change it up and call it a day. Granger as the star of their team is not gonna get it done, and that’s the truth right there.

Yes, if the Kings were to trade for him, they’d probably have to include one more player, like Casspi or Greene. They might even get away with trading Whiteside as well, as their team needs more size up front. I’d be okay with it, as I don’t really care for this draft this year.

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by kingsfan300 on May 5, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

likely not today

I might be behind the times but last time I checked they were looking at getting a new GM. No way they’d move Granger right now, not when if they start losing this year they can just blame it all on Larry Legend and his pieces and then move Granger.

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're probably right

It seems more likely during the season, although if they were to land a new GM this offseason, you never know what vision a GM has in mind for the team.

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by kingsfan300 on May 5, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's more likely Indy tries to land Gasol or Nene

They have good young pieces, they like us want to add to that, not subtract.

Philly might be different

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if Indy will have the money.

They have 35 million committed right now for next season.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

You think either of those guys exceed 10-11 mil?

I don’t

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

5 years 56 million.

Nene and Gasol will both top that even under a new CBA.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haywood is not a scrub.

He’s just not an upper echelon NBA big man.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cuban needs bigs around Dirk.

And the bigs agents know it. Cuban wouldn’t pay that much for Haywood otherwise IMO.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's wrong.

It’s 6 years for 52 mil (assuming the 6th year gets picked up as it’s unguaranteed right now).

http://shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/mavericks.jsp

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

This

I do not think there is any way that the kings will get Granger or Iggy and I have no idea why anybody thinks this is a possibility. Why does anybody think that Philly or Indy would do a deal for our first round pick (in a weak draft) and some our scraps for their best player.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

It would have to be + something

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree mostly that we should take the best player available

I also want to add that we should probably look for players who can contribute in the near future, if not right away. I think Kemba could contribute right away. Perhaps someone like Kawhi Leonard too.

by amack10 on May 5, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

i say risk it (if we land between 1-5)

we’re not getting anything better since the general consensus is that this is a weak draft. If Kyrie and Williams are already off the board, my next choice is Brandon Knight, a point guard with a reliable jumper and I think he’s mature for his age and has a higher ceiling then Kemba.

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by 'tough as nails' spence on May 5, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Under the current economy, the Kings would pass on Walker,

as he is a proven net cutter-downer.

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by section214 on May 5, 2011 1:04 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Everyone has Kyrie going number one...

But- I didn’t see him play early in the season so forgive me… But he got hurt and I wasn’t so impressed with him in the tournament. Besides the team drafting Derrick Williams- I think Kemba is a gamer who is gonna put in work and who can contribute. With Reke Thorntan Beno and maybe Walker I’m fine with him at the 5th pick… Then I would hope to address small foward in free agency.

by Sincere P. on May 5, 2011 1:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I think the best case scenario would have us addressing SF in the draft via Williams

and signing/trading for a veteran PG. But that all is conditioned on us moving up in the lottery. If we can catch a break this year, that would be nice!

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by PhutureKings on May 5, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love Walker's intangables, but

he’s too much like Reke imo. I mean he’s a combo guard that needs the ball to be effective. While it doesn’t bother me with Reke, I don’t think there’d be enough ball to go around with Walker in the back court too. Not to mention Thronton and DMC needing touches. Obviously Irving is the guy, but if we’re around 5 I think I’d rather have Brandon Knight. I was a big fan of his game this year. Great passer and a decent jumper.

by SacramentoSteve on May 5, 2011 1:40 PM PDT reply actions  

what?!

Can’t we just do Iggy for Pooh straight up? Throw in Marquis Daniels to sweet the deal?

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by RikSmits on May 6, 2011 3:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought we were going to draft Chris Paul

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by kwill on May 6, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

and that makes Pooh redundant, so we can use him for this trade.

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by RikSmits on May 6, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pooh was always redundant, being the #2 PG and all.

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by kwill on May 6, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love Chris Singleton

Florida State SF who is an amazing defender. But he’s not expected to go until the later part of the first round.

by james_kevin18 on May 5, 2011 1:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I just read his draftexpress bio.

And now I want him too. Just not top 5.

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by caseycheesecake on May 5, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a big fan of Singleton, as well.

The defensive potential is tough to argue with. I’m surprised Ford has him going so late. In my mock I have him in middle of 1st round.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we are stuck at 5

Whoever shines in workouts will get picked. Because really Kemba isn’t the dude you hold out for. I think there will be a lot of guys climbing the draft based purely on potential.

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by sac_faithful on May 5, 2011 1:46 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

You could very well be right

I’m not too excited about the draft, but the workouts might change my mind.

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by kingsfan300 on May 5, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we hadnt got thorton

I wouldnt have minded Jimmer, at a later pick than we will have tho, for a shooting threat

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm all in for Kemba. Even of Kyrie is still on the board

and of course I’m going to get killed for saying that but was it about Kyrie that stands out? Kemba has proved himself for 3 years while Kyrie proved it for 8 games against scrub colleges.

by shlyank on May 5, 2011 1:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Personally I don't think he proved a whole heck of a lot in those three years, at least in regards to whether he is worth a #1 pick even in this draft

Not really sure what to think of Irving but if he does better than Kemba in all the predraft workouts, those three years would go straight out the window as far as I am concerned.

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

remember

when GM’s and coaches were salivating over Darko in the predraft workouts? those are so worthless

by shlyank on May 5, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

not just predraft workout

but all the scouting he was getting playing overseas

by shlyank on May 5, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not really sure what to think of Irving but if he does better than Kemba in all the predraft workouts, those three years would go straight out the window as far as I am concerned.

Pretty it was explicit I was very much not talking about scouting overseas.

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

*Pretty sure it

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you

for saying “does not make a rule” instead of “does not a rule make”. I’m sick of that type of sentence structuring.

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by caseycheesecake on May 5, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

This. Very much this. And, this.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I do

I just felt like being a butthead.

Iriving is certainly an interesting case – he’s really closer to being a high school kid declaring than a guy with a college pedigree.

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by section214 on May 5, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

agreed

I just think Kemba can be a true PG in the NBA. if his size is the only issue, than I’m okay with that.

by shlyank on May 5, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only more proven he is not good!

Kyrie to me is not the legit number one pick in this draft.

by Sincere P. on May 5, 2011 2:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

THANK YOU

Kyrie is good, I just think Kemba will be better. Leading his team to a 12-0 record in elimination games this season while hitting clutch shot after clutch shot. He has that will and work ethic that can’t be taught.

by shlyank on May 5, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know who else did that?

Mateen Cleaves. Just sayin’.

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by section214 on May 5, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   3 recs

and thats a legit comparison for Kemba

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Dixon was actually pretty different to be honest

much better shooter but not the best ballhandler or distributor in the world

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Obviously they are not exactly the same. Nobody is claiming Kemba is a great distributor, thats why people believe he may not be a true PG(see Dixon). Both guys are undersized and both players carried their teams to championships. As far as their draft stock if Kemba was in the ’02 draft, he probably would be drafted around the same time as Dixon

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

Kemba’s done it for one year, he was pretty up and down his first 2 years in college.

by SPTSJUNKIE on May 5, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Keep in mind

Petrie’s gonna take whoever he damn well pleases

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by vfettke on May 5, 2011 2:02 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm going to have to go with Thorpe

In a recent article, he mentioned how well Knight would fit in with Tyreke and DMC. He went on to say how a back court combination of Evans, Thornton, and Knight would cause a lot of problems for defenses.

I think it would be too much of a transition for Walker to go from the go-to guy on the roster to playing the set up man for our current players.

by drex783 on May 5, 2011 2:03 PM PDT reply actions  

THat's a legit argument there

And might be the case. Time will tell.

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we resign Thornton

what’s the point of drafting Kemba? A little repetitve IMO. Either get a real PG or draft a SF. Don’t draft another combo guard with 2 already on the roster. Albeit an undersized combo guard at that

by TTown Kings on May 5, 2011 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

We don’t know Kemba can’t be a legit PG. Fact is, he had to light it up at UCONN. I am not in love with his size but his speed is incredible and there is little doubt he can’t create his own shot at the next level. Kemba also has incredible intangibles. He took UConn all the way by himself and made everybody around him better. That being said, I still like Knight.

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Resigning Thornton looks like it will happen

I think our best move is to draft a SF or a PF. I just dont see Kemba being a good fit. I would rather have a Morris twin or the best SF we can get our hands on.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

So when a bunch of "NBA Draft Gurus" say

Kyrie is the best player in the draft, than everybody says he’s the best player draft.

by shlyank on May 5, 2011 2:07 PM PDT reply actions  

not talking about here

In general, a lot of people thinks he will be the #1 pick strictly based on Chad Ford and other “experts”

by shlyank on May 5, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's not really fair to pin this on the "experts"

The discussion of his talent being worthy of the number 1 pick has been going on for over a year now.

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by Exhibit G on May 5, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm Ok with Kemba

In any other year, he would likely go a lot lower. But this is a weak draft. Ideally, you would like to use the 5th pick on someone who has more star potential or a great chance for immediate impact. Unfortunately, those players seem to be lacking outside the top 2 picks this season.

At this point, it’s a matter of draft philosophy. I believe Kemba Walker is low risk. You can swing for the fences with a prospect who is raw and has upside, but I would argue that the Kings do not need another project right now. Similarly, the Kings are not in a position where they can make the mistake of a bust. It may not be as exciting as some people would hope, but I believe you take Kemba.

I’ll probably get killed for this, but I also like Jimmer Fredette.

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by Exhibit G on May 5, 2011 2:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I like Jimmer too

I can’t wait to see how his game translates to the NBA

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we drafted him.

I’d be even more excited for the season than I already am. Sure, maybe he won’t be the best prospect but he’ll definitely be the most intriguing in my eyes outside Biyambo.

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by Schneezel on May 5, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by Schneezel on May 5, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jimmer IMHO is the most overratted player over this past year

And a chucker to boot; not what we need at all.

Biyambo… people really starting to like him. I wouldn’t mind him…

by LightningStrike5 on May 5, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Who?

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by lietothegirls on May 5, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sidd

Finch.

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by section214 on May 5, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

His job was to chuck.

And he did his job well. I think he’ll be great in the NBA.

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by caseycheesecake on May 5, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

"Chucker" LOL

OWS:
Fredette, 15.9 over the past three seasons (104 games).
Walker, 7.6 over the past three seasons (111 games).

TS%:
Fredette, 60.2% over the past three seasons (104 games).
Walker, 53.9% over the past three seasons (111 games).

EFG%:
Fredette, 53.5 over the past three seasons (104 games).
Walker, 47.5 over the past three seasons (111 games).

I’ll take one of those “chuckers” on my team any day.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not with you on Jimmer....

…but that’s not a criticism on Jimmer. I don’t really think he’s exactly what the Kings need.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm NOT saying he's a fit for the Kings either...

I just don’t like people calling him a “chucker” when that was the role we was given by his coaches and he excelled at it. He single-handedly carried almost carried them to the Elite 8 while surrounded with far less talent than Kemba.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you about Jimmer.

He has legitimate NBA talent and did everything he could to get BYU as far as they did. Oh well, such is life. (And I thought BYU got eliminated in the Sweet 16.)

I do agree with your points about Jimmer vs Kemba Walker. And, I’m not really feeling the Kyrie Irving love. IF a guy only plays 11 NCAA games, and is the surefire #1 pick, what does that say about the rest of that draft? That really scares me honestly.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like Jimmer as well... those "chucking" stats are pretty damn good.

But that being said I don’t expect him to be a starter. He can be a successful sixth or seventh man, which doesn’t sound too bad in such a weak draft. (not at 5 though)

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Jimmer will be a late lottery pick because of the weakish nature of this draft.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I can't see him falling

past the Knicks at 17. Givony has him rated 18th right now but NYK has a need and Walsh reportedly liked Fredette last summer. Nearly offered him a guarantee for the 38th pick but chose not to and took Rautins and Fields instead. I think they’d take the Rautins pick back if they could;)

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm expecting him not to fall past Utah, but

Do you think Golden State will take him? I don’t know what they’re doing with their current back court situation. That being said, Montiejunas would be better there. They need help in the front court, and there really isn’t much help there. I know Donitas is a horrible defender/rebounder, but that should fit in nicely with GS.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

I know the W's need guard depth

but Fredette would essentially duplicate Curry off the bench. I think they are looking for a bigger off-guard that can defend. I could also see Fredette falling past the Jazz if they take Knight or Walker with their earlier pick.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dubs probably would like an Alec Burks of all things.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

With the lack of quality players..

…teams will go for players they think will develop into something useful. A good rotation player is the bottom of that barrel for top 10 picks.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point, that is, if he's on the board.

Anyone know what they’re doing with the Ellis/Curry situation? Last I checked they were planning on getting rid of one of them, but I’m not sure which.

Jimmer could replace Curry; Burks could replace Monta.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

KNBR

usually debates trading Curry over Ellis but that may be because Bob Fitzgerald wants to have Monta’s baby.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I could see them keeping both for now and

maybe adding an Afflalo or Corey Brewer via FA.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think Brewer is the answer,

And I’m almost positive Afflalo (who I love) is going to resign with the Nuggets.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying Brewer is the answer,

I’m just saying they’ll probably look to add another guard via free agency because the draft is so thin on the wing this year. I think Denver will try to resign AA as well, but they’ll also have to think about Nene and Wilson Chandler.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Their situation is interestign

As Nene has always said he wants to stay in Denver, but recently said he’s unhappy with the organization.

Chandler played so horrible in the playoffs he should be available for less money… I’d love for the Kings to pick him up after drafting a PG.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

For fun

Check out the Draft Express profile of Stephen Curry.

Almost identical team situations, strengths, weaknesses, and projection. Curry was projected to be a bench role player, nothing more.

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by Exhibit G on May 5, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes

and though I’ve seen TZ’s statements about Fredette not being a PG, I think Fredette’s skills as a pass-first guard are more advanced than Curry’s coming out of school. I’ve watched Fredette play A LOT over the past few years. I think Curry was lucky to land in a system that highlighted his strengths and hid his weaknesses. If Fredette gets a similar situation I’d expect him to get the most “hype” a white rookie point guard has received since Jason Williams.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Totally agree with this

I think, while blasphemy today, looks like a similar prospect to Steve Nash coming out of Santa Clara. People forget that Nash wasn’t the Point God he is today when entering the league. I think Jimmer has a similar career projection as Nash did coming into the league. Will he be an MVP, doubtful, but I’m convinced Nash’s MVP runs were the perfect storm to accentuate his strengths.

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed with Nash.

He only went so low because the 96 draft was so incredibly deep.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nash vs. Jimmer in College

Nash: http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1949&Itemid=33

Jimmer: http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6037

I liked the charts for their four years to compare.

I don’t see any huge discrepancies. Jimmer was a slightly better scorer, and Nash was a slightly better playmaker. But the stats are near identical for the two players over their 4 year careers.

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nash's Santa Clara team wasn't nearly as good as that Utah team is either.

So your point about stats means what?

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't insult BYU by comparing them to those sloths up north, below the belt ;-)

That’s a pretty weak argument too, as the MWC is a stronger conference and BYU played one of the highest RPI rankings for a schedule all year long.

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Right.

Insulting. Got it.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broncos, not sloths

and sorry but a 6.0/3.6 assist to turnover rate is not slightly better than a 4.3/3.5.

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm completely missing the passing skills

Curry was an excellent passer that showed it off frequently in college, I didn’t see anything from Jimmer that gave me that impression. Maybe its the system he was in and his teams lack of talent, but Jimmer did nothing to make me believe he can play point guard in the NBA.

by jstnblke41 on May 6, 2011 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

How much did you watch?

I sat in and watched many games in person. Jimmer has a great feel for the game & good court vision.

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by lars.ON on May 6, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Probably 12 games beginning to end

I watched less of Curry, but man could that guy pass and he always screamed natural point guard to me. Jimmer does not at all, thats just me.

by jstnblke41 on May 6, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Curry's original projections looked like that.

Not by the time he was drafted.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Regardless

I made the case at that time that the Kings should consider Curry at the 4th pick, and people thought I was crazy.

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by Exhibit G on May 6, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I actually do like Jimmer compared to a lot of guys in this draft

it’s just when I see the Nash comparison it drives me a little nuts is all

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by wallywagon11 on May 6, 2011 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Isn't that just shooting-wise?

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by caseycheesecake on May 6, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

well I have seen a few times now

where people say “hey Nash wasn’t this great passer yet until the pros” which is implying that it will happen with Jimmer. Personally I think that’s a bit crazy to infer but then again I thought Nash not only made good decisions passing the ball but was also a very very good ballhandler.

I know the guy wasn’t scouted at all out of high school but scouts sure as heck noticed he was a great dribbler and his athleticism was pretty darn good too back then.

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by wallywagon11 on May 6, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

And as much as BYU lacked "talent" in some eyes..

….you obviously never saw that Santa Clara team either. They were on the opposite end of, umm, uber talented. They had a multiple time NBA All-Star on their team, and a bunch of scrappy decent college players. Superstar college players the other guys with Nash were not.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Que? Maybe what I wrote was confusing

I know the guy wasn’t scouted at all out of high school but scouts sure as heck noticed he was a great dribbler and his athleticism was pretty darn good too back then.

Sorry I meant they noticed when he was going pro, not going into college.

Not sure where I said he played with anything more than just decent college players nor inferred it but perhaps what I wrote looked a little funny.

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by wallywagon11 on May 6, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't mean you Wally.

Sorry. I meant those who didn’t see Nash at Santa Clara. I know you did.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

We had a basketball camp at SC my junior year

For the best HS teams on the west coast and Nash was a coach. Its amazing such a dimunitive guy has held up at such a high level for so long

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 6, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

This.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Still think you're crazy G.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Haha

Not crazy, just an idiot.

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by Exhibit G on May 6, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll never forget. :)

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Correct

they lost in the Sweet 16 but Jimmer basically took the Gators to OT on his own. He had an off-night and they still almost beat the SEC champs…

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Not doubting Jimmer's talent here.

Have no reason to honestly.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

You have no clue how my opinions lay about basketball players.

And, by the way, Kevin Martin is a top 5 favorite Kings player of mine. Still love watching him play as, for me, he made shitty teams worth watching. I would have traded him when the Kings traded him, but that’s not the same thing here.

So no I don’t hate shooters. I like great players, and players that make their teams better in more ways than one. You just don’t get my vantage which is fine. Most people don’t, and that’s fine.’

Don’t make horseshit sweeping generalizations about my basketball opinions. Of all people out there, you’re not remotely qualified.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm just going off what's evidenced by many of your opinions.

I don’t think you value shooting based on the players you like vs. dislike. It was merely an observations, don’t get your panties in a bunch.

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

My panties are in a bunch. My panties are a thong so they don't get bunched.

But, your basing your opinion on a very limited sample and a limited knowledge of my opinions that I display on here. Again, it’s nowhere near my actual opinion. Let me put this very simple for you Smills as apparently nuance is too difficult for you: I don’t hate shooters. It’s actually opposite; I have a great respect for the art of shooting.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

aren't in a bunch^

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yuh. My feelings are really hurt. My bad.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell its basketball

How could you NOT value shoters?

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

No clue.

It’s clearly a necessary part of the game.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Disagree wholeheartedly.

As a 3rd or 4th option scoring threat, Jimmer will be even more lethal as he’ll be able to pick and choose his spots on offense. He’s near automatic when left open from the perimeter. The kid scored nearly 30 points a game playing in a near 1 on 5 mode for the entire season. He’s not overrated, over-hyped, maybe, but then again, the two aren’t synonymous and if your first name was made into verb and hip hop song, then you might have some overhyped-ness about you too.

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's where I'm a little scared of Jimmer

With a guy like, say, Ray Allen, he could play 3 quarters and not get a single shot off…then you find him open in the 4th, and he could drill a three. Same with a guy like Korver…could take maybe 5 shots a game, but he can hit an open jumper when called upon. James Jones, similar. To me, those are the types of guys that I consider shooters (although Ray Allen is obviously more featured than those other two).

Now I’ve watched Jimmer play, but bear in mind I have not done any in-depth stats research…my observation is that Jimmer is a scorer. He is a scorer based off being a volume shooter. Is that something we need? There is no doubting his scoring prowess, but do we need scoring out of our pick? We could definitely use 3pt shooting, but…is his 3pt shooting ability enough to spend our pick to get him?

Something I like to do is take away a player’s biggest strength (or if it’s a toss-up, pick one strength), and see what you’ve got left. If you take away Jimmer’s scoring, what does he contribute? He’s not a good defender. He averaged around 4.5apg, but with his usage and scoring ability, you’d figure it would be higher…plus he turns the ball over about 3.5 times a game as well. He doesn’t have great athleticism either.

If we had a need for a guard who would be a featured scorer, Jimmer would be a nice match…but we already have Tyreke and Thornton (I’m counting him for now). I just don’t think we spend a high draft pick on a no-defense, 3rd scoring option. Maybe a pick in the 12-20ish range, but not a high lotto pick.

by sactoreg on May 5, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

He shoots a lot

He looks for his own shot, and their offense was designed for him to take a lot of shots to carry BYU.

I’m not saying it’s a bad thing…heck he shot good percentages. But he was able to do that knowing he had free reign throughout 40 minutes get in rhythm and learn what the defense could give him. He might not have that luxury on our team…stylistically I don’t like his fit.

by sactoreg on May 6, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure how you can say Jimmer is a volume shooter.

He took a lot of shots because that’s what his team needed from him. No more or less IMO.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Someone who shoots a lot to get his points.

Jimmer was efficient even with the amount of shots he took. 59.4 TS% on a 36.7 USG% is ridiculous IMO.

Here is a list of guys with 25+ USG% and their TS%. (I threw in ORtg and TOV% too on the list just to see what they were.)

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by pookeyguru on May 7, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I am interested to see

how he works out in draft camps and who other GM’s pit him up against.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling we're going to see a lot of deviation from any mock drafts between now and the actual draft.

Unlike previous iron-clad draft positions, players will mostly be targeted for need outside of the top 3. There simply isn’t a guaranteed talent past Derrick Williams and Kyrie Irving, and even then those two have their visible flaws.

I won’t be surprised if someone jumps up a ways. I’m looking at Jimmer Fredette as someone who goes earlier than predicted. The kid has got unlimited range, and is seen as a bulkier,stronger version of Stephen Curry who many GMs are kicking themselves for not taking early on back in 08.

For the record, I like Knight. I think Walker is Aaron Brooks with a higher ceiling. Knight can be seen as more of a leader/distributor with plenty of room to grow.

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by Schneezel on May 5, 2011 2:15 PM PDT reply actions  

Kemba was my favorite NCAA player this year

And I won my office pool because I bet UConn would win stricktly because of him.

That said – NO. Not a good fit here.

by LightningStrike5 on May 5, 2011 2:16 PM PDT reply actions  

Me too.

But it wasn’t because I liked him necessarily.

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by caseycheesecake on May 5, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

People keep saying trade the pick in a package for another player.

That’s all good but if we are in lockout- we wont be able to put any players in with a trade- just like the NFL draft was like this year. So I don’t see how we can trade down.

by Sincere P. on May 5, 2011 2:18 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

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Does that mean that Chad Ford is a tool in the idiot sense...

..or a tool for agents in that he pushes out their propaganda into the public eye? I"d vote for the latter myself.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really wish we had more information on Boyombo.

Other than his triple double at the summit I haven’t heard much of anything. The image I get from analysts and people on this site is good athleticism, good weakside defense, but limited offense. But then again I haven’t seen him play.

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by Schneezel on May 5, 2011 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

He is super raw offensively

nothing but put backs. He’s only been playing basketball for two years. But crazy athletic on the defensive side. There are also questions if he is really 18 (or 20 or 22, etc). I read something about a bone test they are doing to verify his age but who knows.

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by sac_faithful on May 5, 2011 2:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

That sums him up pretty good.

He goes for a dunk everytime he touches the ball. That being said, the defensive potential is tough to argue with. With Ibaka playing awesome in the playoffs, Biyombo’s stock has got to be rising.

Dalembert could help him out a lot, too.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Based off his build

I can’t say his specific age, but he can’t be older than 20. He isn’t filled out like you’d expect from somebody older.

I really like him, actually. He is a hustle player who is crazy athletic. I kind of wish we needed someone like him more. I’d be happy with him on the team. I dunno if its just the foreign-born thing but he reminds me a little bit of Dikembe Mutombo. He’s a good deal shorter, but his attention to defense definitely intrigues me. Plus, having Dalembert on the team to mentor him would be great.

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by Schneezel on May 5, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we ended up going the Congo route,

Then I imagine we’d be getting rid of Whiteside pretty soon. I’m not sure of his value, but it could help bring a veteran to Sacramento.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dear god.

7’7 wing-span and 4.3% body fat? This kid develops a perimeter game at all and I’ll be dying to get him.

Oh and relating to the age thing (If he’s really younger than 18 then that’s just plain scary):

Our research has revealed some slightly different information. Coaches who have worked with Biyombo earlier in his career while he was still in Congo think he’s "no older than 20 at most," while Biyombo’s agent, Igor Crespo, has evidence that proves Biyombo is even younger.

Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent’s wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo’s hand hadn’t fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.

This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he’s listed, as the wild speculation we’ve seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.

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by Schneezel on May 5, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

The bone age study was done a year or two ago

so yeah nobody is arguing he is younger than 18. It’s actually much the opposite.

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

no clue

If he is anywhere betwen 18 and 22 I am intrigued. Anywhere around 26 and he better already be pretty darn good.

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he looked like anything more than just a project and could be a force defensively against other power forwards

would be a heck of a nice fit next to Cousins long term. That being said, he could be Bo Outlaw for all I know.

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by wallywagon11 on May 5, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

If he improves, he and Cousins could be scary.

He’s like a baby Dalembert, who Cousins plays great next to.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

According to the biography and draft profile...

It seems he had his break-out game when his agent was notified of him at 16. It says that Biyomba moved up to Spain with him on June 11, 2009. So if he was reportedly 16 at the time, then he ought to be around 18 now.

I like him, but not in the top 5. If we trade back to 8-12 then I will be great with getting him, but I think whoever snatches him up eventually will be happy with what they get.

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by Schneezel on May 5, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Great,

another birth certificate controversy;)

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

Biyombo is Whiteside with a Motor and less offensive game.

His offensive game is literally nothing right now. I wouldn’t take him top 5 regardless of how cool his name is. I think he’s a late lotto pick.

I’m really wary of falling into the trap of people wanting to find “the next Ibaka”.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Boyombo & Whitside

Is there really a difference? Why not give Whiteside a chance this season?

by Fredman on May 5, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm kinda here too.

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by caseycheesecake on May 6, 2011 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kyrie Irving!

We’re gonna get lucky this time in the draft and move up!

by J-Son on May 5, 2011 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Yea, we are moving up to #3

and hoping Minnesota passes on Irving

by Fredman on May 5, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm sure this has been noted before,

but Brandon Knight—if we took him—would be our third consecutive Calipari product taken with a lottery pick. That’s bananas.

Also, he and Cousins would be “Boogie-Knight.”

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by Juan Primo on May 5, 2011 2:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I'm all for it.

The last two Calipari products have worked out pretty well.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's all a ploy by the Maloofs

They will get Brandon Knight in the draft, trade for Eric Bledsoe and one other Calipari product. Then they move to Anaheim and fire PW and hire John Calipari. It’s a conspiracy!

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by LOUiECOG on May 6, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a fan of Walker, but Knight would be a much better fit here IMO.

Walker’s size being a problem is blown out of proportion, IMO. Chris Paul was mentioned earlier in this thread, but what about Ty Lawson? He feel to low 20’s due to these concerns, but he was able to overcome them pretty well.

Also, Walker shot so much because he had to. In his first two years at UConn he was much more of a distributor.

But Knight fits in well. He has range on his jumper, and he’s a great size for a PG. Not as quick or athletic as Walker, but in time I think he can be similar to Jrue Holiday. Not to mention, he’s an incredibly smart guy off the court. I think he has a 4.0 and he would academically be a junior next season.

Assuming Irving is off the board, I’m expecting GP to have to choose between Vesely and Knight. Vesely’s potential is very appealing, but I’d rather draft Knight and sign a veteran SF via free agency.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

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2nd – 8.4% (16.3% of Top 2)
3rd – 9.5% (25.8% of Top 3)
4th – none
5th – 26.1%
6th – 38.6%
7th – 9.3%
8th – 0.4%

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:02 PM PDT reply actions  

No clue

But last year the #6 (Wizards) and 7 (Sixers) took the 1 and 2 spots.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why no odds for the 4 spot?

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by kwill on May 6, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nevermind

"I think this can be a good line-up for us and we’ll see how it works." - PW on replacing Casspi and Beno with JT and Head in the starting lineup (Nov. 18, 2010 Sac Bee)

by kwill on May 6, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

knight > walker

I hope petrie sees the potential in brandon knight and takes him over kemba. We could have ourselves a westbrook/holiday like player.

by KingsSince1990 on May 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Noway

The combine will show this. If knight is as athletic as you say he will go number 3

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ahh, sorry typo!

Haha, I meant he’s NOT nearly as athletic. My apologies.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

…but Westbrook is an athletic freak. Not many guys are going to match his athleticism.That being said, it shouldn’t be discounted that Knight is still a great athlete.

by sactoreg on May 5, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

As of right now

I think Brandon Knight is the guy I want at #5. Plus the last couple Calipari kids we drafted ended up alright I think.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree...

But would like to see what Kanter does against other top prospects. He may be available at 5

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really don't think he'll be available.

If the Raptors pass, the Wizards are probably going to snatch him up.. of course, this is pre-lottery so anything is possible.

But I don’t think he and DMC would be a particularly great combo.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kanter is definetly Toronto's guy

but that being said you never know. He has had knee injuries in the past plus he didnt play this year. I think if he is there the Kings would seriously consider him to pair with DMC in the future.

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

haven't seen much of him

so i don’t get the hype, i can see the cavs or wizards getting him though.

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by 'tough as nails' spence on May 5, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Risk/Reward

Knight has a higher ceiling because of his size and athleticism but right now I’d give the nod to Kemba, I think he is more likely to step in and contribute his first year. I like Tyreke at the 2 spot especially with an up-tempo guard like Walker. He wouldn’t be the first PG to defy the size criticism.

by spacetruckin55 on May 5, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree completely.

But what if Vesely and Knight are on the board? I’m having trouble deciding, but I’m leaning toward Knight.. assuming we can get a veteran SF via FA.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also consider the style the NBA game is gravitating towards

Quick, athletic, scoring PGs are leading some of the up-and-coming squads. OKC has Westbrook, Chicago has Rose…let’s not forget Chris Paul, Deron Williams, and heck, Tony Parker for the past few seasons (or even better part of the decade).

Without even considering the offensive side of the ball, it helps to have an athletic PG who can guard other athletic PGs.

by sactoreg on May 5, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know how athletic Knight is though

I think his athletic ability might be disappointing when he starts the workout circuit.

by jstnblke41 on May 6, 2011 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

It seems by all accounts that he has great athleticism

I watched most of his games, and the kid is pretty athletic…he’s quick, turns the corner pretty darn fast off a screen, good leaping ability…I have no issues with his athletic ability.

by sactoreg on May 6, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

We shall see

This was the first team coached by Calipari that I have seen that extensively used the ball screen. I think that a big chunk of that was that Knight needs ball screens to get free, Rose, Wall and Evans didn’t need ball screens to get to the cup. I think thats a red flag on his athleticism.

by jstnblke41 on May 6, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Knight is a good shooter off the screen

Calipari was utilizing a strength. I don’t remember Rose, but Evans and Wall weren’t great shooters. Rose and Wall also had elite athleticism, and Evans had freakish size and length.

Knight’s first step is pretty quick, and he has good quickness defensively. I don’t think you need to be constantly blowing by guys to have great athleticism.

by sactoreg on May 7, 2011 5:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was using a strength

but he had to be accommodated is what I’m saying. Caliparis offense is all about letting his PGs go 1 on 1 and letting them make plays and Knight has a hard time doing that, hes not an attacking guard. I think its his athleticism, although it might be his mentality.

We will see how he does, there are a ton of excellent point guards in the league today and at some point a few of them have to not turn out. I don’t see the tools in Knight that Rose, Westbrook or even Holiday have. I could be wrong.

by jstnblke41 on May 7, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Reading this...

….makes me wonder if Knight is like OJ Mayo. If that’s the case, I say hell no. Not really what this team needs with Marcus Thornton around. (And I think Thornton is more valuable than Mayo is.)

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by pookeyguru on May 7, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Knight is such a smart guy on and off the court

I think he’ll be able to mature into more of a passing guard.

by CoolFinity on May 7, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

The only guy in this draft that I could see starting for us at SF from day 1

is Derrick Williams. And maybe not even him.

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by Aykis16 on May 5, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hell no.

Hell to the no.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with pookey.

I’m actually hoping the Kings don’t land pick No. 2 because there’s a good chance we’d take him.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

then we could trade down

other teams sure would want him

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by 'tough as nails' spence on May 5, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

True..

We’d actually have a chance at adding Granger/Iggy if we landed a top 2 pick.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or at least a greater chance anyway.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Think we have a chance if

we dealt Casspi + 1st rounder + JT for Granger and the #15 pick?

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nope.

I doubt we’ll trade JT. Throw in Whiteside and we might do that without the pick. I don’t really think the Kings are dying to add more project players at this point.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would they want Irving or Williams?

Both of these teams just handed the keys to their new point guards in Collison and Holliday and the ultimate hope is that Williams can become the caliber of Iggy or DG. It just doesnt make sense for either Philly or Indy to do this deal.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are other players than Irving or Williams.

Maybe even players who are better if a team determines them to be.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

True

but can you see one these teams giving up a young franchise player because they became so enamored with Enes Kanter?

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Did you just call Derrick Williams or Kyrie Irving a young franchise player? LOL

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Granger and Iguodala aren't youngins.

They’re both 27 years old. That isn’t particularly young IMO. Derrick Rose is 22 and a franchise player. A classic example of a young franchise player.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

OK...you got me

I dont see them giving up one of their not particularly young, 27 year old franchise player.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you think Granger and Igoudala are franchise players...

…that’s probably one reason we see things very differently.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

For these teams they are the franchise players.

Im not trying to argue with you I just dont think there is any way the kings get either one for our first round pick. People keep tossing around the idea that our first plus someone like Casspi or Greene could get this deal done and I dont see it that way.

by Fairwood on May 5, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not saying you're wrong in that point.

Teams value their players, and feel it’s every bit their right to value players the way they wish.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think at one point both teams thought they were franchise player

I doubt either feels that way now, particularly Philly

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think that too.

I think the Kings are hoping to get an Iggy or Granger maybe (I’d lean towards wanting Iggy myself) simply because they know they need a veteran player rather than wait a year or two before a player in this draft could get to that level of player (I think 2 or 3 guys may get to Iggy or Granger’s level).

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have trouble with this one

If Tyreke was a better shooter id take iggy hands down because of his D and uptempo style, in fact, he prob is better than Granger in every aspect but shooting. And therein lies my doubt. But hell if we could get either of em id be thru the roof

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by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd take Iggy because I think the Kings would get easier open court shoots more often.

I’m not looking for the perfect fit 5 years from now. I’m looking to upgrade this team for the next several years. Championship contender this team doesn’t have to be this October.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

True. And as I said id be thru the roof with either

But Grangers offense would fit us nicely. But Iggys D and athleticism would be sweet as well. But I dont think we have a realistic shot at either

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 6, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is very possibly true.

I wouldn’t doubt it one iota.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

So taking it to a different point

Although I like Terrance Jones, I dont think anyone in this draft can necisarily helps us this year. Who you like of the 3’s who may be available? Prince? AK? None of the above?

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 6, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ummm.....

….not fond of AK really, and I like Prince, but I’m not sure he’s worth paying due to his recent level of production.

But these guys are Free Agent targets, and not trade targets. I’d be looking at trying to get somebody in trade before Free Agency myself.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yea I hear ya.

Im not a fan of Prince at this stage either, and not sure AK fits. I think a good fill at SF could push us up quite a bit tho.

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 6, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll be fair though.

I didn’t realize Prince’s production hadn’t really dropped off statistically. So that’s perhaps a harsh judgment on my part.

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by pookeyguru on May 7, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Just cause they’re the only player a franchise has, doesn’t make them franchise players.

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by caseycheesecake on May 6, 2011 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Can you direct me to a link

where you’ve previously argued against Williams? Thanks. If not, why are you so down on him?

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

No.

I just don’t like the idea of him on the Kings. Isn’t going to do much defensively, rebounding is an issue with him (although less of an issue if you keep Daly & Cuz as your other 2 frontcourt players), and I’m not sold on his range from NBA 3 point level.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks, just curious.

At this point I think I’d take Kawhi Leonard over Williams anyway. I think he’s underrated – Givony has him going 12th but I could see him going much earlier. A front-line of Leonard, Cousins and Sammy would absolutely crush the backboard. I also think a half-court tandem of Leonard and Thornton on the perimeter would work because of the latter’s perimeter shooting. If he somehow falls to the late lottery I could see him being the steal of the draft.

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

If the Kings end up keeping the pick..

…and drop down to say 7 or 8, wouldn’t be surprised to see if they take Kawhi Leonard or Alec Burks at that point.

That’s a very bad scenario though. If anything, they’d really like to move up if they can.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

To keep it short:

-Not sold on his 3PT shot
-He’s not a 3, more of a face up 4
-Won’t be able to defend 3 or 4
-Poor defensive rebounder
-Turns the ball over way too much

I really like him as a person, I’m a U of A student right now, so I’ve seen every minute he’s played and really wish the best for him.. but I just don’t see him having much success in the NBA.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm not sure if he's going to be more like Corliss or Marcus Fizer.

Fizer had a bad attitude and that probably kept him from sticking in the league for a full career. Maybe Williams will be more Corliss. Still not sold you’re going to take him anyway. Just don’t see how Derrick Williams makes the Kings better.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think a lot of prognosticators

are focusing on Williams’ upside because he’ll only be 20 years old for his entire rookie season…same with Leonard though;)

by sroufe on May 5, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Age has nothing to do with upside.

How much can Williams improve with age? I don’t know. Shooting typically gets better as players get older. Decision making is another. Defense at the NBA level comes with experience.

But beyond that? Not sold Williams isn’t really going to be much more than he is now. And, if you prognosticate Williams, you can do the same thing with other players.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Williams can be better than Corliss

But I think that is a long time and a lot of work away

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a whole lot of projection.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bear down...

Went there to, had to say it. I hope we get him though I like his game coupled with Reke and Demarcus.

by spacetruckin55 on May 5, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

why not?

Derrick Williams will be a really good pro on the right team. I don’t think he’ll be a franchise player but we don’t need him to be with Reke DMC. An athletic inside/out player with size who can rebound at the three. Plus we instantly become one of the biggest starting 5’s in the league (assuming we re-sign Sammy).

by spacetruckin55 on May 5, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why can't he be a star?

The guy has become exponetially better each year and shot like damn near 60% from the college three and was one of the most effcient players in college basketball

by Doors Open on May 5, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm an Arizona fan

And I love the guy for posterizing half the NCAA tourney like he did, but his 3 point percentage is misleading because he didn’t attempt as many 3’s as an elite shooter would, which his % indicates.

I think he has star potential but not franchise player potential, if that makes sense.

by spacetruckin55 on May 5, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Arizona fans are not sold on this guy as other fans are.

For the same reasons I’m not sold on him as a “star” player in the NBA. I think he’ll stick and have a career though. I just don’t think he’s a top 5 pick in any draft this past decade save for 2000.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is a weak draft

And potential just means you haven’t done it yet, but IMO he’s the best 3 available in the draft.

by spacetruckin55 on May 5, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be surprised if Williams is a top 3 player out of this draft..

…and if he is I think this draft ends up becoming extraordinarily weak.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think he's a near guarantee to go top 2..

There’s a lot of people who think he’s going to be great.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Or are willing to take the chance on him. Again, not really seeing it. I wonder if it’s just because those teams haven’t done their homework on other players.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hey, Mr. Twitter

Off topic question here – how do you retweet something yet add your own comment? When I retweet, it seems I only get the option to just send the original tweet.

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by otis29 on May 6, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I may not be Mr. Twitter, but

I usually just copy and paste the tweet and put RT ahead of it and then write my own comment. Not sure if there’s a proper way to do it. When I tweet on my phone it gives me the option, though.

by CoolFinity on May 6, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks much

I figured people were just replying and adding the RT, but wasn’t sure.

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by otis29 on May 6, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there might be a way

but I don’t know it either

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by edm7 on May 6, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

If there is 1 thing I am not...

…it’s Mr Twitter.

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by pookeyguru on May 6, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

right now

i’d rather pick one of the lottery euros than williams

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by 'tough as nails' spence on May 5, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I think me being an Arizona fan has caused me to realize that he won’t live up to the hype.

by CoolFinity on May 5, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

The fans are usually a good indicator

‘Zona fans who don’t believe in Williams make me afraid of Williams.

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by Exhibit G on May 6, 2011 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Blake's take on Fredette, Walker and Knight.....good read

The NBA Draft Lottery, like any lottery outside of Shirley Jackson’s, is a lot of fun until you lose. The reception before the event feels like the crowd of “The Price is Right” fell out of the sky and landed in Secaucus, NJ. Instead of matching t-shirts and oversized first-name-only tags, front office executives wear their usual business attire, but still share the same “anything can happen” grin. Everyone’s in good spirits because there’s still a chance they can home with a top pick, an easy decision and a future star.

Afterward is a much different scene, however. Outside of one or two general managers, the teams’ decision makers seem deflated as they file out into the spring night. Post-lottery interviews include phrases like, “we knew this is going to be a challenge,” and, “there’s still a lot of talent at No. 13.” The execs aren’t destroyed, but unlike one or two “lottery winners,” they will be confronted with a real decision.

That first real decision in this draft will take place sometime after Duke point guard Kyrie Irving goes off the board. He only played 11 collegiate games, but that was apparently enough to sway the collective opinion of draft experts: Irving is the best point guard—and probably the best player—in the draft.

So who will be the next point guard taken?

It’s apparently a three-man race between Connecticut’s Kemba Walker, Kentucky’s Brandon Knight and BYU’s Jimmer Fredette. Some feel the latter could fall out of the lottery, but NBA scouting director Ryan Blake thinks Fredette has a lot to offer an NBA team because he shares a lot of qualities with the other two.

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“With Jimmer, he had to be the scorer,” Blake said, when asked why Fredette isn’t known as a passer. “Obviously he has NBA range. He had to get his own shot in school, though. He was able to score. He was able to pas the ball extremely well when he had to.”

Fredette finished his senior season with a 39.6% conversion rate from 3-point range, which is a big reason he averaged 28.9 PPG. His 4.3 APG are in range of Knight and Walker’s as well—and that speaks to the type of point guard that these three will be in the NBA.

Fredette, Walker and Knight have all played off the ball at times this season, and each were primarily asked to score in college. There’s no reason they can’t all develop as distributors at the next level, and they’re not going to get passed over simply because they’re not considered “pure point guards.”

“What do you call Derrick Rose?” Blake asked. “Do you call him a pure point guard? There are very few pure point guards in the league right now. Name me guys beyond [Jason] Kidd, Steve [Nash] and so forth. So you’re going to have scoring combo guards in this league… [Walker, Fredette and Knight] have to understand their roles. They’re all able to pass. Once they get into quicker, faster, stronger NBA players, that’s where the decision-making is going to develop.”

And even if it takes the three a while to learn how to become solid playmakers, they’re already serviceable as scoring guards.

“Around the league, they’re playing a lot of small ball with two points,” Blake said. “There’s no definition of where they should be. If the skill set is high enough, then it just really depends on the system.”

Fredette Isn’t Gerry McNamara

Gerry McNamara set the Big East on fire during his four seasons at Syracuse, but failed to generate much interest as a pro (not just in the NBA), because he lacked the athletic, defensive and playmaking skills of his competition. Shooting in college was one thing, but it’s hard to expect him to get off those same shots against bigger, faster, and stronger opponents.

But Fredette isn’t completely limited athletically or as a defender.

“He’s very athletic,” Blake said of the 6-2 Fredette. "And that means he’s not the quickest or a guy that’s going to jump out of the building, but what an athlete is here is someone who anticipates things on the court and can react more quickly than his opponents, like a Steve Nash.

“The knock on Jimmer was defense,” Blake continued. “He didn’t fight through screens. He came under the hedge and tried to not get into foul trouble, and that’s what he was told to do because he had to be the man there. I think he’ a guy that’s strong and he works at it. Really competitive, you can’t really look into a guy’s heart and know what their drive is, but he is one of those guys that can do it. He just gives off that feeling.”

Knight Showed Maturity… for a Freshman

Brandon Knight quarterbacked the Wildcats to the final game of the season, but still averaged 3.2 turnovers per game along the way. His 17.3 PPG proves he can score, but his terrible 1.32 assist-to-turnover ratio suggests he has a long way to go as a point guard. But Blake was impressed with the way Knight guided a young UK team.

“What I like about Brandon, he was mature when he played,” Blake said. “Although he was a freshman, he played along freshman. Knight did make the wrong choices on certain things. He didn’t shoot well at times, but overall he did those things well as a freshman. He became mature over the season and you could see it with the way he worked with teammates.”

Walker isn’t too Short, the League’s too Tall

Knight and Fredette are listed at 6-3 and 6-2 respectively, but it’s Walker’s listing at 6-1 that’s raising a few eyebrows. A sneaker-enhanced 6-1 is fine for college, but there’s a perception that it’s too difficult for players to survive in the NBA nowadays unless they truly stand at least 6-0 in socks. It’s sort of like the NBA Draft’s lemon law, and it’s not an idea that Blake subscribes to.

“It’s like when Jameer Nelson was coming up and everyone said he’s small at 6-1 and he was really 6-0, but he played great and came out after his senior year and proved that he can live in the NBA.

“They say [Walker is] undersized, but what’s undersized?” Blake continued. “He’s 6-1. Is he really 6-1? Who knows? He plays bigger than he is, like Jameer Nelson… I think he had a phenomenal year being a junior. He didn’t play to what his upside is but he matured throughout the year. Excellent athlete. Explosive. He defends well. He can be that stopper and really be that spark for some team.”

HOOPSWORLD asked Blake to give us his pick as top playmaker, defender and shooter among the three:

Playmaker? Walker
Defender? Walker
Shooter? Fredette

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=19699#ixzz1LWYTtjMK

by Smills9133 on May 5, 2011 4:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Comparing Kembla to Jameer Nelson doesn't do him any favors in my book

The magic would do well to trade him or send him to the bench. If Kembla=Nelson then no thank you.

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by sac_faithful on May 5, 2011 8:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

-1

Jameer is a very good PG IMO.

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by caseycheesecake on May 6, 2011 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

There seems to be a high likelihood

that we will trade the pick for a veteran. I wonder if that holds true if we get the number 1 or two pick.

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by nothingbutnet on May 5, 2011 6:09 PM PDT reply actions  

Higher the pick gets...

..the higher the value it gets to other teams. I would think that’s the case anyway.

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by pookeyguru on May 5, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

And while there may be some guys in the draft who will be good, I dont see anyone who could improve the Kings next year, so I’d love to get the first pick for trade value.

Can't wait for October

by KingsFanInPortland on May 5, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

No way i would rather take

the Brandon Knight! He’s a 6 foot 4 combo guard, Reke is a 6 foot 6 combo guard….I don’t see the issue…and he’s long, athletic, quick, gets in the lane with ease, and has a jumper!

I think Knight will look very nice next to Reke They both can drive, kick, hit an open jumper, play tough D…..

by shadowchicken on May 5, 2011 6:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Brandon Knight is my pick because of his work ethics , size , speed ability to shoot and a gym rat.

but really like Alec burks because he can really score , if the guy gets stronger , its over. he is a big time talent gets to the foul line a ton.

by Beer_man on May 6, 2011 9:40 AM PDT reply actions  

Question

I didn’t watch a whole lot of college Bball this year, so I’m behind. How is Kemba’s jumper compared to Knight’s?

I just think the next guard we pick up needs to be able to shoot and spread the court.

by Auggs on May 6, 2011 10:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not positive,

But I think Kemba is much better off the dribble, but Knight has more range.

by CoolFinity on May 6, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Interesting

I would prefer more range…

Just read an article on the front page also saying how Knight can catch and shoot. We NEED that on this team.

by Auggs on May 6, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think Kemba is a much better shooter

Knight has a nice sense of the moment, but that kid is super streaky.

by jstnblke41 on May 6, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

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