Viewpoints: Game plan: Build arena for sports, entertainment
Great article by local conservative talk show host Eric Hogue.
"To those who would suggest that we shouldn't build an arena because we're cutting services like fire and police protection, the fact is we must build an entertainment complex so that we can stop having to make those cuts. Sacramento needs to create a new revenue stream – a catalyst that stimulates private sector growth and the resulting public sector income. A sports and entertainment complex will do just that through increased development, new business and additional jobs."
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by section214 on May 8, 2011 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 16 recs
The perfect image
although it should be preceded by someone getting hit over the head with a 2×4.
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.
by nothingbutnet on May 8, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear that before I began reading the comments,
the following lyrics came into my head:
’Ereybody’s hands go UP- – -And they stay there!!!
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Psychic, now you can proceed to the corner of the room where Donte stands.
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This is the kind of article
That needs to be spread far and wide as the battle for an arena continues. We can get this done, we just need to clear up all the misconceptions first.
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by Aykis16 on May 8, 2011 4:08 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
It's great that conservatives are thinking the way I do
we jobs and more tax base more than anything else right now.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on May 9, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree. This is the bigger picture argument.
A new arena adds to the community, stimulates the local economy.
Went out to dinner with some friends the other night. One woman talked about how tired she was of all the news about the Kings. She felt Mayor Johnson was wasting too much of his time trying to keep an NBA team, rather than working on more important issues, like unemployment, and cutting services for police and fire. It was clear to me at that moment that she failed to see the bigger picture the development of Sports and Entertainment Complex would bring to the community in terms of jobs and larger tax revenue.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
Adding...the construction of a new arena would go a long way toward solving the very issues she felt were not being addressed by the mayor.
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
My mom lives in the city...
…and I think she would have been rather happy if they could have picked up her recycling. Even though she doesn’t generate a lot of trash, she generates quite a bit of recycling.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Was that your mom I was talking to?
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
No.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
This is what most of the letters in the SacBee say.
It’s so frustrating.
In these times, you have to be an optimist to open your eyes when you awake in the morning.
~Carl Sandburg
Broken clock...twice a day...
And it is that time, well said, Hogue.
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by andy sims on May 8, 2011 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Haha
Totally agree Andy. Had to double check the byline
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 8, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow the comments are blowing my mind.
How can people shoot down something they have no facts about?!
Fuck, its the idiots like these that have made it impossible for Downtown Sac to be developed. I mean for FUCK sake, our skyline is embarrassing. Its such a beautiful region if we can develop the damn RAIL GRAVE YARD thats off the free way for everyone to see.
Its time for everyone to get their heads out of their asses. And by everyone i mean those fucking weird, living in their moms house when they are 42, lonely, chronic masterbater, Sacbee commenters.
Sacramento Kings, Oakland Raiders. Best teams everrrrrrr
by Robby1987 on May 8, 2011 4:36 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
i am not a chronic masturbater?because my mom says its a natural biological function
just kidding i really am chronic but i want the arena
hey dipitydoo
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Many are NOT from the Sac area... call it OC Reg payback
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
by kromeace on May 8, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well, now that the lakers got swept
they have nothing else to do in Socal!
Sacramento Kings, Oakland Raiders. Best teams everrrrrrr
I hate them
I wish I could see those guys in an alley downtown. But as you said that would mean they would have to leave their moms basement and go out in public
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 8, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
that bbgvl2 lives in SF and posts simply because he hates KJ for some reason
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Best approach is login and argue with those idiots
Don’t give them a free forum to argue their lunacy.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
by bignerd on May 8, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup. If everyone just makes one positive post on each Kings article we can shut up the idiots up
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 8, 2011 7:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Shut up the idiots up?
My english professors would be proud
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on May 8, 2011 7:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
At least you recognize how there's an error.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Can't shut them up
But can point out they are idiots. There isn’t dumb argument they aren’t willing throw against the sacbee comment board.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
I know this country is built on free speech and everything, but don't you wish that sometimes the Bee would censor comments that are degrading to our cause?? Just saying.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Unfortunately isn't an option
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Well they are the SACRAMENTO BEE and the Sacramentans that have clearly made their voice heard are us.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
It’s just a few idiots. Problem is politics are fought by the few which is why it’s important to push back.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
There is no such thing as something that is idiot proof. There will always be a better idiot
by betweentheeyes on May 8, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please nerd. LOL
You can never shutup the lunacy of the Sacbee commenters. They’re just absurd to be absurd.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
JPA will not work...
The old adage too many chefs spoil the broth applies here. A whole lot of pushing and pulling and not in the same direction…
Remember I don't give a flying fuck!
If this was the Republican platform
I would have much more faith my Country. This is the smartest thing I have ever heard a conservative say in my life…
Frankly you might be suprised
Conservatives believe in private enterprise. Conservatives believe that creating more jobs helps everyone. They believe in getting more tax revenue through increasing business, not taxing people at higher rates.
I know this isn’t a political forum and I don’t mean to start a conservative vs liberal debate. But. seriously, I just get a little sick of all the conservative bashing that goes on on this site. We are Kings fans here, not democrats, republicans, independents, etc.
Let’s leave the politics off this forum unless it’s about getting a new arena built. Fair enough?
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Burkle for President. KJ for VP.
by SavageBeast on May 8, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I refuse to acknowledge that Republicans do anything but ruin this country.
Except when they are instrumental in building an arena in Sacramento.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
by pookeyguru on May 9, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
yeah
But I expect no less of you.
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Burkle for President. KJ for VP.
by SavageBeast on May 9, 2011 8:35 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like Democrats either.
So there is that.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yay
now we’re friends again!
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on May 9, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Pookey's waiting for the resurgence of the Whigs
Burklemaniac
by otis29 on May 9, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm waiting for a political party that isn't full of kiss ass whining retard babies.
In otherwords, I’m waiting for hell to freeze over.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I'm waiting for a world without political parties
where you vote for the person and their values, not on a generic label that allows the idiots to see “Stamp here” without actually paying attention
by prowseinthehouse on May 9, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Where they aren't career politicians.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on May 9, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
And we won't get any older and we'll never die

(From left to right) otis29, section214 and pookeyguru do the riverwalk adjacent to the new Sacramento arena complex.
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EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
And we won't get any older and we'll never die
You mean this guy?

"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on May 9, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I refuse to own any belt buckle with a moon on it.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Yeah if I was snorting coke every 3 and 1/2 seconds.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
I am pretty sure
Pookey wears a whig
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Burkle for President. KJ for VP.
by SavageBeast on May 9, 2011 6:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Say "Whig"

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by section214 on May 9, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
My chief concern though with this type of logic is what is going on in Louisville
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
I assume this means bad things?
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Should we ask what it is or is it implied we'd like to know?
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Goldman Sachs, in an effort to improve their image after being the shadest bastards on the planet
put out an ad in the new Vanity Fair where they claim they saved Lousiville with a “financing strategy” to build a new stadium which lead to a “vibrant downtown scene, where new businesses are opening (and) existing businesses are expanding.”
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
If we get a new building as a result of a troubled company looking to improve its image,
that something I’m willing to live with.
Sorry, Quadruple U if I missed your point.
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kind of
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by wallywagon11 on May 8, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm having trouble seeing your point when you don't elaborate wally
Are you concerned that perhaps GS is lying again and the Louisville economy has not been revitalized by their ESC?
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Eh just didn't feel like elaborating, the information is out there
if someone wants to meet me half way, good for them
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
Selling out to Goldman Sachs is a really bad idea.
That’s Wally’s point.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Not exactly
I only mentioned Goldman Sachs because I saw a less than bright commentator in the Sac Bee comment section using Goldman Sachs’ PR bullshit.
The KFC YUM! Center had a $349.2 million plan and the city was on the hook for $281 million of it. The plan was for the bonds to be paid back through arena revenues for 30 years and the public was assured it wouldn’t cost them a dime.
Now, this is somewhat important so bare with me but a big chunk of those revenues each year were actually not from the revenues directly at the arena but were actually coming from rebated state and local taxes that the arena managers could count as “new revenue.” Here, they essentially created a Tax Increment Financing (TIFs) District downtown. It’s a 6-square-mile district around the arena site. The arena would share the incremental state property and sales taxes generated within that district with the state. The TIF District also includes state income taxes generated from salaries and wages paid to employees within the arena complex itself. This income will be used solely for debt service on the arena bonds. Essentially, they calculated the sales tax and property tax it generated BEFORE the arena was built and then all future tax revenue above that baseline number becomes the “tax increment” and can be used to help subsidize the new arena. So essentially, if the arena created a huge boom in that area, that extra tax money would go back into funding the bonds until they are all paid and then the city would start seeing all the awesome tax benefits in 30 years (think of the Anaheim deal the Maloofs got and the fact that the city would not see any revenue once the arena went over $12 million a year until the bonds and loans for the Maloofs were paid off to Samueli).
Great plan so long as new sales tax receipts and property tax increases are enough to pay off the costs and projecting big revenues is exactly how companies like Goldman Sachs and Bear Sterns pull off these types of deals and make a shit ton of cash. Unfortunately, cost overruns and revenue shortfalls are quite common when building arenas (don’t believe that was a big problem here though). Also, TIF forcasts by these companies usually fell short even BEFORE the real estate bubble popped in 2008 and almost always it’s the city’s general fund that has to bail out these projects because none of these companies would dare back these bonds without assurances that the public are the ones taking all the risks.
Anyway, long story short, these types of projects are one way companies like Bear Sterns and Goldman Sachs made a shiiiiiiiit ton while us dumb bastards pick up the check. Welcome to one of the reasons why our economy is in the shitter and these bastards are making billions. As I noted in a previous comment, Goldman Sachs recently touted itself as as the savior of Louisville helping create “a vibrant downtown scene, where new business are opening (and) existing businesses are expanding.” I’ve even heard Grant Napear tout how smart Lousiville was and how the arena has revitalized the city of Lousiville.
Only one tiny problem. Lousiville currently has an 11% unemployment rate and are currently negate $22 million in their general fund. Obviously not the arena’s fault but didn’t exactly revitalize the city either. The city will also be on the hook for over $3 million of the arena bonds next year even though there was supposedly no “existing” public money funneling into it. That’s because the arena isn’t generating as much revenue as they predicted. In fact, it was supposed to be generated over $4 million in sales tax under the TIF. Currently it has generated $0. Basically because of the crappy economy it is generating below the sales tax revenue we saw in that 6 square miles BEFORE the arena was built and the city not has no TIF money but must take out somwhere between $3.5 and $3.3 million from their currently negative $22 million general fund of “existing” public funds to pay it off.
Live every week like it's Shark Week.
by wallywagon11 on May 9, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I see.
Sorry about the misinterpretation.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Wally thanks for the insight
and rec’d
That’s definitely some scandalous shit going on there. Can someone remind me when Louisville’s ESC was built? And for that matter KC’s as well?
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KC's was 2007.
Not sure when Louisville’s was.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
Nice example of spin
The key to any game is to use your strengths and hide your weaknesses.
-Paul Westphal
It's understandable that it doesn't make sense
after watching what Obama did. But this is a true occurence in moderation.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on May 9, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I was joking
but thanks for including some irrelevant politics to post.
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I know you were joking. I was elaborating on your joke with a joke of my own about a joke.
(See what I did there? I did it again)
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on May 10, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Hogue has been a HUGE supporter of keeping the Kings here
And he has been getting hammered pretty hard for it but has kept beating the drums. He has made the story of keeping the Kings in Sacramento part of his daily show for weeks, including regularly talking with KJ and others with skin in the game. He has been an articulate spokesperson for the effort and along with folks like Ziller really deserves our applause and thanks that we have the Kings for at least one more year.
by Kusian on May 9, 2011 7:39 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it helps that he really seems to like Kevin Johnson as a person
and, in reality, KJ is probably the closest thing to a “business friendly” mayor that Sacramento will ever see.
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by AnotherStupidSN on May 9, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions
This.
EvilCowtownInc: Screwin Suckaz over since 1985...... On Twitter
No mistakes in the tango, Donna. Not like life. Simple. That's what makes the tango so great. If you make a mistake, and get all tangled up, you just tango on.....
But does he have a copy of his long form Birth-
never mind. (sigh)
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on May 10, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions















