Goodbye, Shaq
by Tom Ziller on Jun 1, 2011 2:23 PM PDT
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PrintShaquille O'Neal is retiring. He announced on Twitter that he'll end his 19-year career after a disappointing season with the Celtics. He has lore in every NBA city in America, but special lore here in Sacramento.
This dude was completely unstoppable, no matter who you threw at him. He was the unsolvable puzzle. Kobe Bryant was fantastic during the great Kings-Lakers battles of the Glory Era. But Shaq? He was on another plane, just a gigantic problem, constantly. We had Vlade Divac, Chris Webber, Scot Pollard ... it didn't matter. If Shaq was on and focused, you weren't stopping him, period. In 16 playoff games against the Kings, Shaq averaged 30.7 points and 15.7 rebounds. Thirty and fifteen.
He wasn't just dominant -- he was completely hateable. He called our team the "Queens." He made fun of us, and our cowbells. Even after his prime was gone and he no longer competed for championships, he pretended he had no idea who Spencer Hawes was. He seemed to genuinely consider Sacramento a joke he wasn't in on, a mistake on the NBA map that he'd rather didn't exist.
Shaq was a total villain in Sacramento in every way, so much so that I vomited into a garbage can when I walked into work at a bar on one fine afternoon in 2004 and saw the front of the Sacramento Beesports page, emblazoned with a big ol' headline that read
"Shaq-ramento?"
I was appalled. An MVP-caliber center, a legit superstar and Hall of Famer on just the other side of his prime ... and I was appalledour fine newspaper would suggest him a potential target. That's how hateable, how much of a villain Shaq was for us. I don't think I was alone. I don't think many other fans would have clamored for a Shaq trade, were one even possible. (It wasn't.)
We can all appreciate Shaq's greatness, and be thoroughly entertained by his antics. (His feud with Kobe remains a highlight.) But in the end, I'll always remember Shaq as the BAMF that destroyed the Kings when it mattered most, the guy that didn't break our hearts in one shot like Horry, but stomped our hope like a megalith Beelzebub.
Goodbye, Shaq. Thanks for ruining our dreams.
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Oh, come on, man...
I hated Shaq, too, but it was because he was so ridiculously good and dashed our hopes during every playoff series in which he faced Sacramento.
I understand not liking the dude because you’re a Kings fan. But, I’ve forgave him a long time ago and accepted the situation for what it was: Shaq was the best, most dominant player in the game. He just happened happened to play for the bad guys.
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 1, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Normally, I'm not a hater
But in Shaqs case I am. I hated the fact that a mickey mouse attraction for the league was allowed to travel, foul, and dunk on every play. Any other player woulda fould out by halftime. I hated the fact that the league had an MVP who couldnt make a shot if you managed to keep him 4 feet from hoop, much less a free throw. Was Shaq an amazing physical and athletic specimen? Oh yea. A P.O.S? Oh yea
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 1, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Flip side to that
The league allowed Shaq to be battered in ways nobody else had to endure. If they called every foul, nobody could have defended Shaq. Well, nobody could anyway, but it would have been even worse.
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True
But thats gonna happen if you are gonna bull to the hole every play
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 2, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I hated Shaq
But I don’t have the same venom I have towards him as I do with Kobe Bryant, Robert Horry, or that pissant, Rick Fox.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 1, 2011 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Rick Fox all the way
My most hated NBA player of all time.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 1, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
same
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake."
- Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower
by lietothegirls on Jun 1, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Fox has to top the list, because:
The other guys we hated because of how good/clutch they were. Fox we hated because he was truly a mediocre player that played dirty.
And also because his news channel is a joke.
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
I hate fox
But the “queens” stuff does it for me. Plus, Christie clocking him took a little bit of hatred away for me.
by Dub_TC on Jun 1, 2011 5:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not me
I just want to see Christie do that forever… Now where’s that picture…
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Indeed
my hatred of Shaq has since dissipated into respect for his dominance, and even fondness for his entertainment value once we were no longer the butt of his jokes. Not to mention the fact that Laker fans couldn’t stand him.
Fox, however, can freeze in the ninth circle.
by LPKingsFan on Jun 1, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nicely put.
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 2, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Rick Fox is easily the worst of those three.
I can’t even say I hate Horry. I just hate that shot.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
by Juan Primo on Jun 1, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
OMG!
I think we’ve finally moved on!
This must surely be a sign that we’re making the playoffs this next season!
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 2, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
kobe
phil helped kings stay in sac.. shaq left la and then made fun of kobe… and kobe just continues to fuck us up haha (most memorably that last game of the season…) so yeah kobe is most hated
A guy who was rumored to back-up Hawes at a time.
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perhaps a good conversation topic for the next game thread
Most hated laker: Shaq, Kobe, Phil, or Rick Fox
Fox wins every time for me
But I could see Horry or Kobe putting up a fight. Phil Jax earned a little respect for his “The Kings moving to Anaheim wouldn’t be a good idea” stance.
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Never hated Shaq that much compared to the other Lakers
One of the most dominant players ever and, at the same time, a big kid who actually could’ve been even better.
Good luck, big guy
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Farewell, jackass
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by otis29 on Jun 1, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
If you could work a 'clown' into that gracefully
it would say it all for me.
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by lietothegirls on Jun 1, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Shaq was just another immature talented player
who sold his soul for fame. He never played for the love of the game, but only for the love of himself. The exact opposite of a sports role model. Every single of his quotes was either about how cool he is or demeaning to someone else. He was given the great gift of having the best body build ever for the game of basketball, he completely wasted it and still managed to end up in the all-time top 10. For me Shaq always was (at least after he moved to LA) a basketball disappointment and I thoroughly enjoyed watching him the last 5 years making a fool out of himself.
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by ZenBaller on Jun 1, 2011 2:53 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Which begs the question...
How good could he have been with just a modicum of work ethic in the past 5-7 years to keep his fat ass in shape and on the court? A man of his size and skills you don’t just lose with age should still be somewhat dominant even at his age. It’s rather sorry if you ask me.
by Kings Fan In AR on Jun 1, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just 5 to 7 years
I think he invented the term “play my way into shape” a long time ago.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
shaq easily most hated for me
"I’m not worried about facing the Sacramento Queens. Write it down. Take a picture. I’m not going to talk about this all year. When I get back, there’s going to be trouble." (Before a game against the Sacramento Kings.)
"I’ll just have to get it against my favorite team." (Referring to falling 9 points shy of 20,000 career points. His next game was against the Sacramento Kings.)
Meh
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by section214 on Jun 1, 2011 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Agree. Shaq wasn't that bad.
I always thought that he was just making those stupid “Queens” comments to get under our skin, which worked incredibly well and probably amused him.
It seems to me that he was a poser, someone who enjoyed playing a part sometimes, but mostly to amuse himself.
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 2, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Shaq's 2000 MVP season.
Season: 30ppg 14rpg 4apg 3bpg 57% shooting
Playoffs: 31ppg 15rpg 3apg 57% shooting
Finals: 38ppg 17rpg 2apg 3pg 61% shooting
....wow...
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 1, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You forgot his FT numbers! Hehe.........
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David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Which, to me, makes the "38-point" finals average
all the more impressive.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 2, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
To Shaq I say:
Eff you.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Hahaha
I logged into Yahoo boards to post about this douche bag and so many fans from LA, Boston, etc are saying how much of a class act he was. I couldn’t stand reading all that crap, so I come here…and HERE HE IS AGAIN. Glad to see everyone agrees that he was a giant douche here, though.
Just see it for what it was.
I take Shaq’s Sac-bashing as a compliment. It meant the Kings were always on his mind, which really meant that he respected our team because he knew they would pose a threat. Part of winning a championship is doing whatever it takes. His psychological attacks were meant to distract our team and its fans.
If you hate Shaq, it’s only because he was better than our guys. And if you don’t believe me, then imagine if Shaq had signed with Sacramento instead of L.A. after he left Orlando. He is a guy you WANT on your team.
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 1, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, of course
Sure, we would have been rabid Shaq fans if he were a Sacramento King. It doesn’t change the fact that he was both a dominant player AND quite an asshole. And despite his success, he’ll go down as one of the NBA’s great underachievers, to boot.
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That's the insane part
for him to be SO good, and still everyone laments “If only…”
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I would probably rank him #5 all time at center
4) Hakeem
3) Kareem
2) Wilt
1) Russell
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The Kings would have beat all those 4.
Right?
right..?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 1, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd have to go Luc Longley for #6
can’t stop a 3 time champion!
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 1, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Even with my Aussie bias
I was not a Longley fan until he screwed over the Knicks. Still, I find it hard to swallow that he is one of the all-time greats
by Crazy King Man from OZ on Jun 1, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
And honestly, I think David Robinson was vastly overrated.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 2, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Vastly overrated?
Dunno bout that. I personally think the Dream was definitely better but if you check out their per minute production they are pretty darn close.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 2, 2011 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions
maybe
the ‘overrated’ comment was based on the head-to-head matchups between David and Hakeem during the non-jordan years playoffs that lead to the 2 Rockets titles. There was that one year where Dream made both Robinson and a young Shaq look bad in succession.
Where's my pie
by TheFifthMookie on Jun 2, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I also think that Tim Duncan and Dennis Rodman had more to do with
David Robinson getting a championship than David Robinson did.
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 2, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
how on Earth did Dennis Rodman help David Robinson get a ring?
I have zero clue how that makes sense
by wallywagon11 on Jun 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Uh, he didn't.
Dammit. I thought he helped the Spurs get one. I am an idiot and have been handed my ass.
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
Rodman helped Robinson get a ring by not signing with the Spurs
The Admiral’s head would have exploded had he had to deal with Dennis.
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and I tip my had to Hakeem
and I think most people would consider him the better because of the very things you just mentioned. So if he is generally considered below Hakeem for his era how is he vastly overrated? We really want to argue Alonzo Mourning or Ewing were better?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 2, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Hardest part about ranking players
is that every era is different. You could probably take some players that are mediocre in this era that’d be great in another, and great players from another era that might be mediocre now. Basketball has changed more than any other sport in my belief, even in just the last 30 years.
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Aside from extreme sports, you mean?
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 2, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
At least he and Bryant had talent
Unlike the other coattail riding Faker d-bags from that era (paging mr. fox. mr. fox to the white courtesy d-bag phone please). Doesn’t mean I was particularly fond of him back in the day though!
Although I didn't enjoy his antics...
I consider Shaq to be the greatest physical specimen to ever play professional sports. Although he couldn’t shoot free throws worth a damn, Shaq was incredibly coordinated for a man his size and it is a sad day when the league loses a player like this, no matter what teams he played for.
If DeMarcus Cousins can develop into even 80% of what Shaq was in his prime, Sacramento fans are in for an amazing decade.
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by jjham15 on Jun 1, 2011 4:05 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Right on.
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
Lets give Shaq is due respect
But not on the basketball court as I think he underachieved because he didn’t take care of his body or ever learn to make a free throw. As dominant as he was once upon a time, he could have accomplished more with better work ethic.
As a Kings fan this was Shaq’s finest moment, and for this performance I give him much respect. :=)
"The Spurs subliment their statistics for the good of the team" Kings Coach PW.
Well said
Good bye asshole, you were a hell of a player
by 9K1NGS6 on Jun 1, 2011 4:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Am I a bad Kings fan
because I don’t hate Shaq?
He is the only (former) F@ker I had any time for – besides those who were also Kings at some stage.
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by Crazy King Man from OZ on Jun 1, 2011 5:09 PM PDT reply actions
I hated Shaq, but after that
“Hey Kobe, tell me hows my ass taste” song, some of his antics are pretty funny. PhutureKings is right on the money with Shaq’s Sacramento bashing, but one thing is for sure, you definitely got to respect his overall career.
As for all the other %akers and their fans F*#@$ em!
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Man if Shaq kept himself in shape and didn't party so much in his prime
he would no doubt be the greatest big of all time, and one of the best ever. There’s things about Shaq that I love. I love his sense of humor, how outgoing he was, his generosity at times, and a helluva lot of other stuff I can’t think of. I hate how he never was able to be mature and grow up, how he would hold stupid grudges, his selfishness, his propensity to make a dumb statement and hold by it, and his work ethic or lack thereof. I sorta wish he would have just retired after the great season in PHX, but he will go down as one of the most dominant players to ever play the game and definitely the biggest personality to step on the court.
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by MJ5 on Jun 1, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
fuck shaq
Ever since his bashing of the kings in that video on the lakers team bus i’ve hated that douche
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by Exhibit G on Jun 2, 2011 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why is the "guy" pregnant in that picture?
Or is that a beer belly or something?
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was Quincy Douby
Until I noticed there were two eyebrows.
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Always hated Shaq...
…and I’m not sad to see him go. Best pound for pound athletic physical specimen in the history of sports. Shaquille O’Neal should have been significantly better than he was.
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You do realize you could fit over two Sugar Ray Robinsons in Shaq, right?
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This won't make any sense to most people here but, oddly enough, I lost the hate for him in 2002.
Not after but actually during.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 1, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks like I'm in the minority...
But I always loved Shaq. Hated that he was a Laker, and hated what he did against the Kings. But watching his career from LSU on through the NBA the guy was dominant, and had a ton of fun doing it. Sure, he didn’t maximize his talents, but it’d be hard to say he didn’t live life to the fullest.
I’ll miss his personality and enjoyment of the game more than anything else. He was truly larger than life, which is really saying something.
Wait....Why is everybody clapping? Everyone around me is clapping.... I guess I should be clapping too... GO LAKERS!!! I hate living in So Cal
For the sake of the league
It was best he didn’t maximize his talent.
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He makes John Cena's acting career admirable.
Shaq did have Blue Chips
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Shaq found a way to always be in the news.
Liked, hated loved, feared – he dominated NBA basketball for nearly 20 years. As a player, as mouthpiece, a clown (The Big Aristotle, Diesel, etc.), a taunter, a strategy changer (Hack a Shaq), his acting career (Blue Chips, Shazaam!), his rap career, his police career.
He was simply a dominant athlete – incrediblly quick feet, fast jumper, superb hands, incredible strength. No one that big and strong should be that fast and quick and agile. As a basketball player – He never could shoot further than 8 feet from the basket – not a jum shot, not a hook shot, not a free throw (crossing the line all time) and never a 3 – but he could pass and see the floor, and he could dominate on offense by creating space and on defense by taking up space.
For all the negatives – his dismissal of Sacramento was mean spirited and was it’s own form of utlimate respect, but there isn’t too much more. The guy was funny and there are too many stories of his generostiy to ignore. He showed little emotion on the court for a guy who got hacked, slapped, shoved, scratched, grabbed, pushed and bodied as much as he did. I wish he had worked as hard on his game as his public image but for a guy who both worked hard and hardly worked he is one of the NBA’s greatest ever. His MVP awards and 4 Championships are testimony of that.
Happy Retinrement Shaq, I respect you but won’t miss you.
darn keyboard
jump shot, testimony to, Retirement.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 2, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I had a like/hate relationship
I always thought he was a big douche, a bully at times, a loudmouth usually. But I’ll admit he was funny at times too.
Interesting factoid:
Shaq posted career highs in rebounds and blocks (and games played) his rookie season.
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