Spurs fielding trade calls for Parker
Kings are mentioned as a possible destination. Looks like they want to move up the draft.
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Pop parted ways with Beno once, and it wasn't a happy parting
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If they're dealing Parker,
part of it is to shed salary.
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I offer the 7 and the 60
The 35 instead of the 60 if they twist my arm. But after that, not much. The Spurs need to shed salary, and there are only a few teams that can take Parker on without sending salary back in return.
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are welcome to Pooh Jeter as well
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ray Allen was worth a #5 pick
Richmond a #3. Jason Richardson a #8. The fact remains that San Antonio needs to shed salary and there are only a few teams that can take him off their hands without shackling them with at least some offsetting salary.
You can’t overlook the fact that Parker is 29, so you don’t want to mortgage the future of the franchise to land him. One or two picks out of this draft and Jeter might be the best deal that they find. I would part with Casspi if it were a deal breaker, but I’d prefer to hold onto to him, as he does have some value in relation to his contract. I can’t see inlcuding JT with Dalembert (or his replacement) not being in the fold.
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Make it so!
Even if it was just for the 7th pick. I’m sure the Kings could snag a gem that fell out of the lottery at #35.
Woj said on twitter
If Spurs deal Tony Parker to Kings for 7th pick, expect Omri Caspi to be part of package, sources say. RC Buford has been long fond of him.
by james_kevin18 on Jun 22, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
All of this years picks + any player but Tyreke, DMC & Thornton.
Plus next year’s lottery protected, possibly.
Also, a year’s supply of backrubs if that helps any.
This.
He actually shot 52% from the floor last year
Now, he is not a 3-point shooter by any stretch of the imagination. But over the past two years, he has become more of a distributor and less of a chucker. At age 29 it looks like he has this point guard thing figured out. I think that he could make a nice backcourt pairing with Evans – Thunder & Lightning.
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And adds the veteran on-court leadership this team desperately needs
Multiple-championship experience, at that. Very intriguing idea.
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by otis29 on Jun 21, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But we already have Beno's championship experience
and really how much did championship experience play into this years playoffs? I see “championship experience” being the same for veterans as “upside” is for youngsters…its a crock.
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you really equate Beno's championship experience to Paker's?
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No but I would with Dwayne Wade's
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Both finals MVP’s, and both guys that have succeeded and failed on the NBA’s biggest stage.
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I cannot explain Lebron James' failures
but for the most part, one player doesnt “want it more” or have more heart, the winner usually just gets hotter for a few games and their team’s role players typically perform better than the other team’s. Sometimes gameplanning and coaching can take a player out of a game or two but for most part star players will perform to their averages regardless of championship experience.
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed 100%
“The ring is the thing” is overhyped when valuing the worth of a player. The funny thing is the players themselves do much of the hyping.
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and really how much did championship experience play into this years playoffs?
How about we worry about trying to make the playoffs first?
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
then why worry about championship experience at all
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Last time I checked, this team won 24 games last season and 25 the season before
Experience at a high level for a player who played an active role in achieving multiple championships should be valuable in helping a team grow.
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, hes valuable alright
50 Million dollars over the next 4 years kinda valuable!
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Well that last year is not guaranteed
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually,
$37.5 over 3 years. The 4th year is not guaranteed and has a $3.5m buyout. Conversely, the #7 pick will earn roughly $12m over the same 3 years. So net-net, Parker costs you about $26m more over a 3 year period.
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I think
hes worth it IF you think he can remain healthy (play a league average number of games; Im not asking for an ironman) but i dont think his championship experience should play into it.
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Not so much the "championship" experience,
but I think that his NBA experience will help the young team, and I think that his accomplishments earn him at least a bit of respect from his teammates.
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Well said
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Hes a proven player, its not like giving James Posey or even Austin Croshere the contracts that they got after Championship runs (croshere lost the finals but he for sure won the offseason). Thats why Im down to do it if we think he can maintain some semblance of health.
I would be most interested to see what other roster moves we make. Do we go with five guards (including Garcia) or do we let thorton walk or sign and trade, or try to trade beno? What could we reasonably expect in return for either one?
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that you could move Beno
for a to-be-determined 2nd round pick, but not much else. If you wanted to move Cisco, you’d probably have to package Omri or JT.
I think moving Beno would be enough. With the addition of Parker, the subtraction of Udrih and the extension of Thornton, you would have 10 players at about $40m, plus your 2nd round picks (not including Darnell Jackson). That would leave you probably $15-$20m to add another player or two (I’d make a hard run at Marc Gasol).
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Agreed on el flaco being untradeable.
Although a second rounder for Beno basically changes the deal to the number 7 and beno for Parker, disregarding the fact that Beno would not be going to SAntonio. Im still in, its hard to believe beno has that little value but it does lower the net cost of Parker.
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
And we get a huge boost
in female fandom
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
what im trying to say is
Tony Parker is effing hawt.
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by effin steve on Jun 21, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 22, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Brent Barry's wife might disagree
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by effin steve on Jun 22, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
By the way,
he was 4th amongst point guards in scoring, and led them in FG%., but he was only 8th in shots taken. Pretty efficient.
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The flip side of the coin
He is a high usage player. That said, he flourished sharing the ball with the likes of Duncan and Manu. Could sharing with Evans and Cousins be that much more difficult?
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
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by big_p.a.w.z. on Jun 21, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm referring to shooting outside the paint
Parker is one of the best in the league at scoring at the rim, or dropping that sweet tear drop.
However, I don’t like his age, contract or fit(distance shooting) to make that rich of deal.
If they want to dump Parker’s contract, that’s one thing. Asking for a top 7 pick AND dumping him is another. I’m just not interested in that.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion
Though I agree with virtually none of it. 29 is not old – it just seems old because the current team is so freakin’ young. And efficient is efficient. If he’s effective at the rim and mid-range, who cares if he is not gifted beyond the arc? Not me. And his contract is very reasonable for a player of his caliber.
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29 is not old
But 10 full years in the NBA, many of them deep into the playoffs, is a lot. He takes a bit of a beating too. How many more miles does a guy like that have?
by Toeontheline on Jun 21, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Hard to tell
It depends on the guy, I suppose. Guys like Billups, Nash and Kidd have more miles, and they lasted well into their 30s.
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although not saying I dislike Parker
a lot of the guards who are still tearing it up in their 30s are hitting 3s in their 30s
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Valid concern
Parker minus a step is not Parker. He will be 29, 30 and 31 at the beginning of the guaranteed seasons of his contract. Not without risk, but it’s not like we’re talking Rip Van Winkle here.
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true but it all comes down to whether one thinks there is a shot at getting a foundation player at the 7 spot.
because not sure if I would want Parker past those three years.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t see an all star at 7 this year. The players that I see at 7 can be snagged 10-12 picks later in most drafts or via free agency.
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Parker for the #7 is a no brainer.
And whether or not we buy into the whole “he has a ring” mantra, the King’s players will, and that’s what really matters.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well,
he’s played about 400 fewer games than Kobe, and well over 300 fewer than Steve Nash. I guess it just comes down to the player, his drive and passion, and blind ass luck.
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He can still run...
At age 29 that’s not bad at all. I believe he has a good 5-6 years left on him.
6 point guards cracked the 20 mark for player efficiency last year
He was one of them, joining CP3, Rose, Westbrook, Deron Williams and Nash. Nice company.
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Elite company
That’s one hell of a company. Lets hope Petrie is serious in considering this. Not sure who he’s going to give up for Parker but like I mentioned below #7+Omri+Jeter. We can pick up a good pg at 35.
San Antonio needs to shed salary
$75m payroll and only half a roster. The 7, maybe the 60 and Jeter (if they want a backcourt body in return) is about as far as I would go. I wouldn’t let Casspi be a deal breaker, but I wouldn’t just give him away.
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I was perusing at Pounding the Rock
and they worry about their SF position. They might be very interested in Casspi.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 21, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He's old when the average age of your team is 23/24
And the average age of your rebuilding core is sub 22.
That makes the team young
That does not make Tony Parker old.
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What does old for our team even mean ?
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
Parker serves only our short term interest. Dally makes sense because of Cousins’ development. But we already have a vet at the PG position in Beno. I’d prefer to add a veteran SF if possible
Beno is not a vet
the same way that TP is a vet. Parker gets instant locker room cred.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he better than any player at 7 + the money we could use on a veteran free agent
Because that’s a much more accurate assessment of the opportunity cost lost by adding Parker for that price.
Well, he's a much better talent than any free agent out there IMO
But that’s a relevant question.
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And to continue the devil's advocate
Is he better than #7 + the possibility of dealing for a player under contract and absorbing that contract(say Josh Smith, Andre Iguodala, etc)
I’d prefer Josh Smith(who’s names being bandied about) on the Kings than Iggy or Parker(though I’d pick Iggy over Parker).
who on the kings would atlanta take for josh smith?
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I'm sure they'd have interest in
Dalembert, Thompson, Whiteside, #7 overall pick, Casspi, Greene.
I’d love a SnT of Daly for Smith, but don’t think the Hawks would bite.
- and Casspi for Smith would give the Hawks two young, cheap assets and free up a ton of cash to re-sign Crawford and perhaps pursue a Center(Bogut maybe? using the TPE and the assets they have).
I'd prefer Dwight Howard
But it probably ain’t happening.
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Neither is Igoudala or Smith
At least not for the #7 pick. Sure, we talk about it. But if Philly or Atlanta and the Kings aren’t talking about it, then it’s not being talked about
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I'm talking about Players who are rumored to be available
I’m only speculating on what some of our best available assets would be.
Listen
Sixers said they dont want to just dump salary for Iggy. Doubt Atlanta would just dump Smith for #7. And finally, adding Smith could turn the Kings locker room into a gas chamber.
I doubt the Spurs would move Parker for just #7. It’d prolly take two 1st round picks or Jason Thompson (to replace McDyess) and Omri Casspi.
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Way way way no deal on that
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Agreed
I’m fine with the #7. Heck, take our #60 for one of your Euro stash jobs if you like. I’ll even throw in a Pooh Jeter with low miles. But that’s about it.
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Fair enough
This is all speculation anyway. Under those circumstances, I do like the age of Iguodala and Smith better. Of course, if our concern is the team three years from now, both Iguodala and Smith would need to be re-signed, all during a time where the team is going to have to worry about paying Evans and Cousins. Pick your poison, I suppose.
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Oh god no
I’m definitely not on the Josh Smith bandwagon. But I would prefer Iggy to Parker myself. However, it sounds like Philly may not be treating Iggy as a salary dump.
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what veteran free agent are you going to sign that is better than parker????
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26 year old stars are very, very rarely available to teams like the Kings
Without having to give up a player like Tyreke or Demarcus. So if we have a chance at getting a 29 & 1 month old star of Parkers caliber for nothing but a #7 in one of the weekest drafts in modern history I don’t see how anyone can have a problem with this.
Name a player who is realistically attainable that is better than Parker. It doesn’t exist.
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by allbenji's on Jun 21, 2011 7:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
I would like it
but, same with felton, this is an expiring contract. So I’d have to say no.
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He's actually signe through 2014-15
But that year has a $3.5m buyout (team option).
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I saw it as "unguaranteed" on Shamsports
How did you find it was a buyout?
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On Shamsports
Hold your cursor over the player’s name.
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by kwill on Jun 21, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I found it by mistake
I was mindlessly following a gnat on my screen with the cursor when I discovered the feature.
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by Shizzo on Jun 21, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
Then it was a Nattin' gnat
I was mindlessly following a gnat on my screen with the cursor when I discovered the feature
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by betweentheeyes on Jun 21, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Parker would...
Bring a veteran presence which the team desperately needs!
However without Eva Longoria sitting in Kings Row 1, I can’t go for this. Plus this sounds like a made up internet story to drive up hits on Yahoo.
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by Rory Sparrow on Jun 21, 2011 6:54 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
In a heartbeat
He just turned 29 last month, he’s in the prime of his career, a top PG in the league, 3 time NBA champion, a true veteran presence, good defender, fast, excellent ball handler, etc.
I think at one time he liked the attention that having a Hollywood wife brought him playing in a small market & might have liked taking his talents to NY. But after the whole mess of his divorce & TMZ dragging him through the mud he might like taking a break from that life & resting in SacTown. He’d be the man here for now something he wasn’t in SA. This is all assumption on my part of course but he would be exactly the type of player we all say we need.
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by allbenji's on Jun 21, 2011 7:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
29, but with some miles attached
Still, he’s certainly got a few productive seasons left you would think.
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My big question
is by the time we are actually ready to make a title run, will Parker still be effective? Much of his success is due to his speed and quickness. Will he still have it in 3, 4 years time? I’m not so sure. We need a veteran or two, but I think that at the PG position, Walker will be the better player in the long run.
Well, it's not my money to spend
But I’d say he’d still be a nice investment for a team that needs to do some growing up.
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J Kidd just won a ring...
So if you’re asking if veteran PGs can win Championships, then I say, yeas they can!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
You're giving up the 7th pick in a weak draft
You bring him in, it makes everyone on the squad better. It gets them closer to the playoffs, it gets everyone big game experience. He’s an expiring contract after 3 years (2 if you figure his $3.5m buyout in year 4). I’m not sure that there is a ton of downside here.
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Agree.
I see no downside here at all.
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 21, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Losing a top 7 pick and about 10 million annually for a free agent
are two things lost that i see a downside to.
I honestly believe
If we could get Lebron James for the #7 pick at least 1 person here(if not more) wouldn’t like the trade. I know Parker isn’t James but James would also neva, eva, eva, eva, eva, eva, eva, become available to us. You have a chance at a guy of Parkers caliber for peanuts you jump at it.
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by allbenji's on Jun 21, 2011 8:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the C-Webb thing proves it
When you get a chance to grab an exceptional player, due to circumstance, you do it.
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Even if Walker or Burks become borderline All-Stars?
I’m nots saying its necessarily a bad move, just think that Walker or Burks would make us more competitive in the long run.
I agree
This idea seems so myopic to me. It’s for the hear and now. And while i want to make the playoffs, I don’t want to rob the future for the present.
Are we really that concerned about the #7 pick in a weak draft coming back to haunt us?
If we did make this trade, I think we could rest assured Petrie didn’t feel the players at #7 were all that valuable.
This is actually a Jimmer thing, isn’t it?
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Eh I'm looking more at Petrie's draft record. Even in the WEAKEST of drafts, or deep in the first round he finds gems
See Hedo, Peja, Martin, Wallace, etc
Trading the pick, takes away one of Petrie’s biggest strengths as a GM. And that’s finding starting quality talent or better.
In his near 20 years as GM he’s had maybe 2 flops(Olivier St. Jean, aka Tariq Abdul Wahad and Quincy Douby).
Agree with this
As I said though – if he makes this deal, he’s clearly not enamored with the talent available to him at that draft slot.
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Tony Parker is beyond starting caliber talent.
Nothing really left to discover.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
But what if he drafts the best player at 7
and it winds up being like Spencer Hawes at 10 (not a reach) or JT at 12 (also not a reach)? This is a weak draft.
If your argument is that a guy of Tony Parker’s caliber is not worth the #7 pick in this year’s draft, I will respectfully disagree.
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It will be worth it in 2011, but I don't think it will be worth it in 2013
When the core of our team is ready to start to compete.
Well, let's play "in theory"
Say you add Parker now and the on-court product improves. When his contract expires, you still have the option to resign him at a lesser amount, or let him go and sign another FA or sign and trade him.
But you’ll at least have started to build a winning environment for the young pups.
I do see the difference in philosophies here and do think it’s a gamble. But I think the #7 becoming a productive NBA player is more of a gamble than Tony Parker.
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by otis29 on Jun 21, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
This
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
But Parker will expedite the team's growth
He’s played point on an NBA champion. He makes the team better right now, and still leaves cap space to add another player.
There’s wishing and then there’s reality. If this is reality, you shelve all the wishing and grab it. It makes you better, and all you’re giving up is the #7 pick in a weak draft.
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Smills is right on this one I think
When you put all parts of this trade together we are giving up too much for a short term benefit.
by Passive Sloth on Jun 21, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The 7th pick in this year's draft is too much
for one of the top point guards in the league, a 3-time all star and a finals MVP? I respectfully disagree.
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Agree with wholeheatedly with Section
We need Parker’s experience and most of all his “efficiency”. He will demand the players around him get better, grow up, play defense, etc. He will dramatically cut down on the stupid turnovers and lack of ball movement.
Also, I can see him lasting well into his mid 30s. Even if he loses a step, he has a proficient mid range game, and he’s smart. He will just use the pick and roll more (as opposed to just breaking his man down off the dribble) to find a crease in the defense.
Lastly, he makes Sacramento a more realistic destination for other free agents. Add Parker and Shane Battier, resign Thorton and Dally, and you’ve got a team, at least on paper, that could give the rest of the league fits.
Lot of praise for a guy Pop has had to ride his entire career.
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Huh?
Pop has “riddnen” Duncan and Manu the same way. Are we now insinuating that Parker would have gone on a three state killing spree had he not been under the ever-watchful eye of SpongePop Squarepants?
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Who gives a F about finding a "gem"
When we have a chance at aquiring a bonifide star who just turned 29 at a position of need? You know all the “who are we going pair with Reke?” talk we’ve been discussing since the night we drafted him? Well problem solved! Move on to the next order of business please.
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by allbenji's on Jun 21, 2011 8:46 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a pretty big "if"
We know what Parker is.
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by otis29 on Jun 21, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
We’re tossing around about 40 different draft options at the #7 pick because no one is outstanding. I’d call it a win if we landed a core rotation player out of this draft. Parker is much more than that.
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It goes both ways though
We do know that Parker is the better talent right now. But what about in a few years when it matters most?
Does it matter most then?
Not sure I agree. This team is young enough IMO. Time to add some veterans that will help move this program along. And he’s not tying down your cap space for eternity.
I never understand worrying about what’s going to happen three years down the road when you have the chance to add an exceptional player now.
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I'm not a gambling man, so I'm agree with you.
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I think it does matter most then
because it will more than likely take us that long to be in position to make a strong playoff/title run. I also dont think it’s a stretch to say that Kemba Walker will be better than Tony Parker in 3 years time. In fact I think it’s more than likely. But yes, obviously Petrie is a better judge of that than I.
I think that's extremely questionable (regarding Kemba)
But if that’s your feeling, I can see why you wouldn’t want to do it.
Kemba appears to be one of the bigger enigmas in the draft. Is he going to Toronto at the 5 or is he dropping? What if you pass on a Parker deal and Kemba’s not around?
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Respectfully disagree
Walker could become the next Bobby Jackson or the next Mateen Cleaves. If it were a slam dunk that he would be better than Parker in 3 years, he’d be long gone by the time we get to the 7th pick.
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I think saying Kemba Walker will be better than Parker
In three years is a stretch. But I also don’t think Walker is gonna be very good
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 21, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
My take on Walker
Is that there are so many people around the league that are high on him. Steve Smith and Greg Anthony said that he could very well end up the best PG in this draft class. If he’s not available I like Burks.
I guess our disagreement comes from our differing views on the their talent and potential as well as our risk aversion
Nah
A lot of people aren’t sold on Walker as well. And I just don’t see how a guy with Iverson game and half the athleticism is gonna be a big time player. Too short, too ball dominant, too horrendous a defender……My opinions however. but some are based in fact
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by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 22, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the talent available at the 7th pick
But the draft is still a gamble. Sometimes it’s better to go with the sure thing, especially with such a young team, where you never know what you’ll get from them every night.
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Lets get to the playoffs before we even mention making any title runs.
Or how about winning as many games as we lose.
Either way
We can’t trade Marcus Thornton anyways.
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I would do this, with some reservations
Parker is not a good deep shooter, and he has benefitted over the years from playing with greats like Duncan and Manu. That said, he has not been a volume shooter for the past couple of years (averaging about 13.5 shots per game) while shooting about 50% from the floor. He has 3 years guaranteed at a reasonable $12.5m per, followed by a $12.5m option year that can be bought out for $3.5m. His arrival would place him and Evans in the starting backcourt, with Thornton as 6th man. Udrih would need to go.
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I know Udrih left on bad terms but
He’s so much better now then he was then, he would only be needed to back up George Hill for a few seasons, & he knows the system over there. So it wouldn’t be that far fetched to see him go back.
Maybe Parker & his salary aren’t needed in SA at this point in time but I Hill is still young & probably needs a decent vet to back him up.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 21, 2011 7:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
lets be honest though
Parker isn’t exactly a stopper, but he still plays a lot.
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He benefits greatly
from San Antonio’s defensive scheme. His only job is to funnel his guy to the middle.
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I'm sure Tony
picked up a few tricks in San Antonio defensively.
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beno would be an adequate backup for george hill
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by big_p.a.w.z. on Jun 21, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
But Beno’s exodus from San Antonio was not pretty – he and Pop had some words. Plus San Antonio only makes this deal to shed salary.
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I like this deal...
And IMO increases the chances of SammyD resigning. Reke better be workin’ on his jumper because Parker is one of the few people in the league better at getting to the hoop!
Crazy?
I’d do this in a heartbeat, as a matter of fact, let’s do it now!!!!!!!!!
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I hope this isn't fluff.
Getting Tony Parker for the 7th pick would be incredible.
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by kingme18 on Jun 21, 2011 7:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No
We are well under the cap so the salaries are not an issue.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yipes otis (threadjack)
The first 8 Twins have reached base against Bumgarner. 6-0, still no outs.
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OH GAWD
I haven’t even switched it on. Been watching Phineas & Ferb with my daughter.
So what are the odds the Giants score six runs in this entire series, much less tonight?
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He just got the hook
10 batters (he struck Pavano out), 1/3 inning, 8 runs, Twins still batting with one out and a runner on 2nd. Time for a big helping of Guillermo Mota. Eep.
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We need rain.
A lot of rain.
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Can we just fold?
I’d hate to waste any runs on tonight’s game.
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It's like the summer of '99 all over again...
couple nice moves, young players developing, and a free agent signing… viola!
contender…
Tony Parker would be Webber.
He’d cry like hell about being traded to Sacramento. I’m not sure Parker’s father would talk him off the ledge, though.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
What in Parker's background leads you to this assumption?
He’s played his entire NBA career in a small market and hasn’t barked about it once to my knowledge.
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If we're talking about reenacting the '99 scenario...
…who else would Parker be? Vlade? Nope—Vlade chose to sign with Sacramento.
Looking only at how SA and Sac are both small markets is misleading. SA had a contender in place by the time Parker was drafted. He was basically born on third base. Getting traded to Sacramento would put him in the on-deck circle.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
So in other words this is pure conjecture
There is nothing anywhere that shows this guys as a prima donna or as a player that would “cry like hell.”
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I wonder if he's on board with this
Hard to believe San Antonio would be shopping him so openly without both player and team in agreement.
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Sorry - didn't mean to come off sounding so douchey
I was just looking for confirmation that he had shown signs of being a malcontent, as that had never come across my radar. Webber, on the other hand, had quite the history before he ever set foot in Sacramento.
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Nah, it wasn't douchey.
And, yes, it is conjecture. I had thought I made that pretty obvious. (Fail.) I neglected to preface “he’d cry like hell” with “I think” because I wanted to garnish the conjecture with hyperbole.
Drawing parallels with our 1999 team is an ultimately pointless endeavor; my larger point was simply that it would be difficult for even the most consummate professional to cope with being traded from a perennial contender (and the only NBA franchise team he’s ever known) to a perennial lottery team.
I would not say that Parker is a malcontent at all, but let’s be honest—he hasn’t had much to gripe about in his career. He’s known nothing but stability (e.g. same coach, same system, and the same core of great players).
I would probably pull the trigger on a Parker trade, but I’d still very much worry about where his head is at. The fact that Parker has not demonstrated a history of complaining about his remarkably stable situation in the NBA offers me little comfort, to be honest. Maybe I’m just a worrier…
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My biggest concern
would be seeing if his head exploded under Westphal after a career of being coached by Pop.
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I gues the only difference is
That in San Antonio, you’re playing for the playoffs and winning the title. In Sacramento, the ambitions are not the same. I’m sure with a few shrewd moves, the Kings can become a playoff team sooner rather than later.
I don’t know if it’s just me but I’m ready to see the Kings make trades that make a big impact in the standings and not mainly for financial purposes.
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by kingme18 on Jun 21, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
true, but he also won multiple championships in that small market with a league-wide respect for professionalism. It seems hard to believe that he would be on board middling around with a long ways to go re-building small market team. Im not saying he is a prima donna at all, but I don’t see it being a happy move for him. he has already proven himself and I bet he wants to be challenging for rings asap. but who knows…
Asked and answered
with a league-wide respect for professionalism.
High character guy. I don’t see anything on his resumé that says he causes problems or pouts.
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by TrojanCBB on Jun 21, 2011 7:23 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
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by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 21, 2011 7:32 PM PDT reply actions
At first I was all hell yea
but then I looked at 10 years 700+ games and he is a scorer not a shooter. 73% lifetime for FTs. If he loses a step and can’t get to the basket his value will drop quickly.
Take away the draft pick and 13000 of cap space and all of a sudden doubts crept in.
I am currently leaning no.
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My thoughts exactly..
Yes, it would instantly improve the team. My problem is I think when players like Reke, Cousins and Thornton start playing on his level he might be a too aged and we’ll be stuck looking for a replacement pg
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Cross that bridge when it comes.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 21, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
A 3 guard lineup.
Tony, Marcus, and Reke on the floor at the same time would be compelling and would be problematic for the opposition. Toss in Cousins and Sammy anchoring the post…good times coming again??
Not only would this be a massive talent upgrade
But Tony Parker is a recognized name with championship experience…a name that could help put fans in the seats, generate more excitement, and help the team stay in Sac (at least IMHO).
Plus, veteran, fills additional ball handler role, gets to the FT line (something we could use more of)….don’t seem much downside.
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I would love to see Tony Parker in a Kings uniform. I say the #7 with Omri and Jeter for Parker. If I recall the Spurs did like Omri also I think.
hell yea
tony fuckin parker now were talkin
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Jun 21, 2011 8:08 PM PDT reply actions
Maybe he will sleep with Peaches wife and make KHTK more interesting
Any time a perennial title contender can trade their 29 year old point guard for a lottery pick you got to do it … oh wait this isn’t Pounding The Rock.
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Those guys at Rock don't seem to upset with this
they are focusing on 5 more than 7 but are willing to make the deal to shed salary
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Yep
The Spurs are at around $75m, and that’s with only half a roster.
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He said it was stupid....pay attention
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Free Agents
How much money would we still have for Sammy and a FA? Is it feasible to still sign a restricted FA away from another team or Battier? I ’m still on the Battier bandwagon this offseason.
by BobTheAutomator on Jun 21, 2011 8:26 PM PDT reply actions
only make moves that make you an instant title contender
check.
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by lemmetakeutodamovies on Jun 21, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Really people?
When have the Kings ever had a three-time world champion on their roster? We piss and moan over here about losing leads/games due to a lack of experience or veteran leadership, and yes those are valid reasons. However, now that an option comes up where a player with some of the largest amount of playoff experience in the NBA today, and is STILL within his prime, and we’re going to complain about giving up a rookie in the weakest draft class in most of our lives?
Jimmer is pretty cool, I’d love to have him on my team, but if the Kings front office takes him over a great established player like Parker, I will be flabbergasted.
As for the total-offseason plan? Well look at this way. How many legitimate options at point guard can be found in free agency? A few, and none of them even compare to Parker. I know Parker kills our flexibility with the cap, but I would rather overpay a championship winning point guard than a middle tier one. This is WHY you build up cap-space in the first place! To get good players for cents on the dollar when other teams find themselves in financial trouble.
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by Schneezel on Jun 21, 2011 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Good argument, if the Spurs were offering 29 year old Tim Duncan
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Yeah -
A three-time all star and finals MVP is really beneath our standards.
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But what has he done since Eva left?
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Same thing as every other guy not married to Eva Longoria...
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Huge Salary. 29 years old.
Tons of miles on him. For the 7th pick? Pass. Only Smills gets it.
Parker is pretty ball dominant player and would take ball out of Reke’s hands too. Giving away the 7th pick you are foregoing your opportunity to draft a potential star on a rookie contract and committing money that could be used to land FA or other trade.
I don’t like it. Parker’s game is predicated on quickness and he is approaching the age he is going to lose half of a step.
Now if they want to trade Tony Parker for JT and Beno (or Garcia and Greene, take your pick), then we have a deal.
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As a bad team, I think we over-value this draft way too much.
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I agree
This draft is a joke. 3-4 years of Tony Parker is MUCH better than anything we can get at #7. Do the deal.
by Travis Mays Hayes on Jun 21, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
12.5 X 2 years with a cheap third year buyout if it doesn't work out
Crap, he makes the same per year as Kevin Martin.
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No, he makes $12.5 x 3,
and $12.5 or a $3.5 buyout in year 4.
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Another way of looking at it
is that the Kings would be paying him about $10m, $9m and $8m more than the #7 pick over that 3 year period.
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And according to the Maloofs they want to spend this summer
Tony Parker fills a need and is better than every single available free agent this summer.
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Bullshit...
Brian Scalabrine is available.
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The Spurs want the 7th pick .
That’s the main part of the deal .
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
And
If the Spurs cannot dump Parker now his price will only go down.
I don’t even trust Parker to buy into this team. If the Kings were a contender I wouldn’t have a problem. He may take a look around and demand out because it will be years before he is competing for another title in Sacramento.
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I love this thought process
We need great players, but not players from great teams because they will not “buy in.” In other words, we can’t pursue winners because they will not be happy here?
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Just the reality its hard convincing older players to stay on a young, building team while their career is coming to a close.
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I'm betting that Parker does not see himself as an "older player" quite yet
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Parker, in the half court, uses the pick and roll a lot...
…and he can still do this if he loses a step. He’s smart. You don’t lose smart in your 30s.
NO
I don’t see how this really helps us in the long run. If we were a playoff team that needed that veteran player with championship experience to get us over the top, then I would be all for it. But, as we all know, we’re just trying to win more games and hopefully fight for that last playoff spot.
Parker does NOT make us an instant contender. No way in hell. He was basically outplayed by Mike Conley in the Memphis series. He is a slashing scorer who occasionally gets some assists. As mentioned above, his game will probably not age well. If this is what everyone thinks we need, then lets just draft Kemba Walker, who is about 8 years younger and much cheaper.
Wouldn’t a veteran presence help you “win more games”? I get your point, but if he’s the best available player we can get, why not get em? Also, he will help improve the team and help each players growth. A rookie will be a rookie. But if these players accelerate at a faster rate with a vet, the team will be better off in the future as a whole.
by Cold12 on Jun 21, 2011 8:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Kurt Rambis and Danny Ainge didn’t help the Kings turn the corner in the 80s.
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Gonna let you flush out that Tony Parker vs Vlade Divac comparison a little more.
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Vlade was a vet with a pedigree when he came here
And a much more appropriate comparison to Parker as an upper echelon core rotation player. Rambis had turned the corner on his career, and this was just a weigh station for Ainge.
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Yes
We would win more games. But I doubt it would be enough to even make the playoffs next year. Then, the year after, we’re looking at a 30/31 year old Parker who is most likely on the downside of his career. I don’t see a Jason Kidd-like career ending for Parker.
It's not that Parker is old,
it’s that our team is so goddamn young.
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
He doesn't compare to any of those guys
Terry and Dirk are both shooters, and Marion is an athletic freak.
And Parker is 4 years younger than all of them
He-is-not-old. We-are-young.
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by sac_faithful on Jun 21, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, well remember how bad that 29 y/o Vlade was
for the young Kings team in ’99. Horrible mistake. We should have spent our cap space on a young buck like Ike Austin or Michael “Yogi” Stewart instead.
Big men age quite differently than highly used guards
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, the Kings then were also ready to compete THEN
The Kings now are still years out, even with Parker
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They weren't close to competing when they made that move
still though, completely differen situation
(by the way, still do remember people wishing we resigned Yogi instead)
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Yogi was awesome though!! Haha
He was damn entertaining…
And not close to competing??
we made the playoffs that year
regardless, we both agree. His point is not valid
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
nope 27-55 when we signed him, thanks for playing
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL, so you're counting the record of the team he didn't play for? Logical....
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
reading is fundamental
They weren’t close to competing when they made that move
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Drafted Jason Williams
Traded for Chris Webber, Signed Vlade Divac….
Ya, I’d say they were ready to start competing when they signed him
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll tell you what then
Let’s go kidnap Petrie, force him to make the trade and then see what else he does (and hope he does not call the cops) and see if he signs and trades anybody and then let’s wait a season, see what all happens and see how it works then we get our hands on a time machine and come back to today and we can talk about how the Kings with Tony Parker in 2010-2011 were either not ready to compete or ready to compete.
Pretty darn sure I remember stuck watching a crappy grainy VHS tape of JWill and Peja highlights that summer and nobody having a clue how good they were going to be nor whether Webber was going to implode, nor who was going to start at shooting guard given Wahad couldn’t shoot, nor whether we were going to be able to resign Corliss of whether he woudl fit playing more at SF, nor who the heck was going to come off the bench (Oliver Miller: The original Desmond Mason).
But I tell you what, we’ll get that time machine so we can do this proper.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I remember that video
I was between my junior and senior year. I remember one of my best friends got a copy and we watched it obsessively.
same situation (although a year below you)
actually watched it again last year. Oddly enough, it’s the same video quality as watching Atlanta Hawks broadcast.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
which netted us a 3-2 first round loss to the Jazz
Which we followed it up by a 44-38, first round loss to the Lakers
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
At some point
Someone has to argue how Tony Parker is so much like Vlade Divac for this analogy to hold any validity.
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Parker is probably better actually
either way, not the same thing in the slightest
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
To you, HL, and BN
I agree. Not 100% the same.
However, when we signed Vlade, people said he was too old and had bad knees. Plus he had a rep for chain smoking. Parker may have 3 great years and 2 good years left. I know big guards who can shoot, last longer than small guards. But training and medicine are improving. Players are playing longer.
Second, Vlade helped a young, combustible team with chemistry. His contributions as a leader helped every bit as much, if not more, than his contributions on the court. Williams was an oddity and Webber was taking a wait and see attitude about staying in Sac. If our team fell apart in ’99 – The Team may have never existed. Parker can serve a similar role now.
That team’s core was not much older than this one. Webber was 25. That was a big difference. However, Peja, Williams, Wahad and eventually Polard were young. Petrie off-set that by signing Barry and Maxwell to help as well.
So the situation is not exact. However, the influence of a dedicated player with leadership skill to help direct a young team and get them winning is similar.
The difference between a 27 and 37+ win season this year will mean a lot for our momentum and future
I struggle to see how Parker will become the glue locker room guy on or off the court but alright sure why not
I would hate to see us not win 37 games though and part with a draft pick for a guy who will likely only be here for three years. I know we can’t wait forever and certaintly not a horrid idea but just don’t see it being anything close to the sitaution like when we signed Vlade.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I respect your opinion as always WW
I will say I would struggle much more with this in a normal draft.
I just think this is a very mediocre draft. And I think we might be lucky to get a high end backup from the player we draft. Who may or may not stay with this team after his rookie contract.
Or we can get a veteran who has won 3 championships, is a three time all star and is a PG who can mentor Reke and help run our offense.
We should keep getting younger
Maybe we’ll get in the NCAA tournament next season.
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by otis29 on Jun 21, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
As a Kings fan I'm tired of hearing about the long run .
We say this year after year and we finally have the chance to get a 3x NBA champion with veteran experience . Parker helps our team NOW and gives us a HUGE talent upgrade . We still will have money to spend on a quality free-agent or two and Parker is a great start to a potential turnaround RIGHT NOW .
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 8:38 PM PDT reply actions
Do you think...
the Maloofs are going to pay Parker $12 million * 3 years, relinquish the cap-friendly rookie pay scale, and also go out and sign or trade for high-priced quality talent (or two)?
Doubt they want to go on spending spree when they effectively just lost the Palms.
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If they want to WIN they will spend .
Plain and Simple
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So it's not a good deal because the Maloofs don't think so?
Okie dokie.
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I think the pertinent question here is:
Will he sell tickets?
by betweentheeyes on Jun 21, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody think Parker would help sell tickets and get an arena deal done?
Come on they would do it in a heartbeat.
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by sac_faithful on Jun 21, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do we think that we're going to get a star in this draft?
People always try to be optimistic, but seriously? In great drafts, they’re busts in the top 5 even. What we have here is a chance to take a player who has been a significant contributor on a championship team, and all we have to give up is the basically the worst possible pick we could’ve gotten in the worst draft we have ever seen. As for the other player who may have to be included? Very few players are not expendable when you win 25 games out of 82 outings.
The only thing that bothers me is that Parker’s already pretty sizable contract gets bigger with a trade-kicker in place.
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I remember all the naysayers here with the Stoudamire rumors
Why are we so afraid of talent?
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I’m guessing because many people think its easy to build through the draft and that many of these players such as Stoudamire and Parker are too ‘old’. I don’t get it either.
Chris Webber and Shareef Abdul Raheem
Almost as if Kings fans remembered recent PFs with knee issues
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was supposed to lose like 20% of his vision.
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by sac_faithful on Jun 21, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why only Sac and Toronto interested?
Can’t believe all the nay sayers. Give SA whatever they want. #7 and any bench player other than thornton and JT. Oh and 29 is prime not old. 29 is when your physical and mental skills come together. After 29 mental skills increase and physical starts tailing off. Pull the trigger.
Usually agree
But not always the case. I remember the core of Bibby, Peja and Miller were all suppose to be entering the prime of their careers and thus carry the Kings. It feel apart without Webber.
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Celtics, Spurs, Mavs all have way older players
not every 30 year old comes up lame.
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by sac_faithful on Jun 21, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
no but most 30 year old guards better be able to shoot from long range
kidd would be screwed if he didn’t get that 3 point shot to go down
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
3 pt.% comparisons for Kidd and Parker
Parker shot 35% from 3 last yr.
Kidd shot 32% when he was 30 in ‘03-04
Kidd shot 34 % this yr.- down from over 40% previous 3 yrs.
Will Parker’s 3 pt.% go up as he gets older and loses a step?- Remains to be seen
29 years is not old
But Parker relies on quickness to turn the corner on defenders and get into seams on fast break. So a player of his style of play, 29 years is definitely approaching old. He may have 2 to 3 years left, or less, before steep decline.
I will say in his favor I don’t think he ever sustained serious injury. But when he loses a half of a step, and it will happen, he’s not going to be the same player. Thats the risk, and thats why I don’t do it.
If the Kings think they can draft a potential star at #7, they have to keep the pick. If they are willing to trade away the pick, then they really must not be all that high on the candidates they auditioned. And I don’t think thats the case. I think they like at least 2 players (Jimmer, Burks) quite a bit.
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Would have to agree
It’s like Parker is going to fall apart or blow his knee any moment, it’s just that guards who play like him tend to fall off a little early. He could be abnormal and succeed with a mid range shot I guess but I wouldn’t bet on it. Sure seems like a 3 year stop gap. A good one mind you but not interested in dealing a lotto pick for a stop gap even if it’s a weak draft.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention
3 years of elite Parker might do more wonders for this franchise than 10 years of 6th man Draft Pick X.
If he can take pressure off of Reke and help teach him some of the PG skills he learned. Help keep Cousins in line and happy. Help our team win games, which will attract more talent and help team chemistry. Than even if he starts falling off quickly after 32, it will be a win.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 21, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed with
If the Kings think they can draft a potential star at #7, they have to keep the pick. If they are willing to trade away the pick, then they really must not be all that high on the candidates they auditioned.
Not so sure about
And I don’t think thats the case. I think they like at least 2 players (Jimmer, Burks) quite a bit.I don’t like either of those guys more than Parker. But then again, I don’t get to vote.
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This is where we trust Petrie
Blob’s first quote you highlighted is spot on. If Petrie thinks Burks or Jimmer can be a long term solution for our team. Maybe not an all star, but something close, than you keep the pick.
If he’s unsure they can even be high end backups. You take Parker and run.
Parker
The Spurs ran pretty hard last year. Pop let them push the offense at a faster pace and Parker had a pretty fine year and excelled in the faster system. The Kings would go to the HNL with Parker.
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If we were to pull this, I think Parker would be the best player on the team
and oddly enough still wouldn’t do it if it were my choice
I think it all depends on Tyreke's progression .
If Reke is the player we all hope he is I think he can make that LEAP in his 3rd year to maybe be a borderline all-star . Parker could is a great mentor for him too .
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Has anyone ever thought of the possiblilty
that maybe with Tony Parker we could maybe attract better free agents ?
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 9:04 PM PDT reply actions
I like Parker
But if that was our goal, Josh Smith and Iggy would be better targets.
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Agreed
But if Iggy and Smith are unavailable to us, Parker is a nice alternative.
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here's the conundrum
who will be the best player in 2-3 years, Parker or whoever we take at #7?
the salary reqs and the experience somewhat offset each other imho (though it’s hard to beat a proven winner, swag is swag) so we’d be paying for a veteran nba all-star to lead our team.
I say do it. Give up the pick and nothing consequential (Jeter but not Omri).
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by Rory Sparrow on Jun 21, 2011 10:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
2011 - 10 = 2001
Pretty sure we were decent somewhere in there…
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I trade the #7 pick alone for 3-time NBA Champion, 3-time All-Star, 1-time NBA Finals MVP Tony Parker in a heartbeat
I trade the #7, 35, and 60th picks for 3-time NBA Champion, 3-time All-Star, 1-time NBA Finals MVP Tony Parker in a heartbeat.
I trade the #7, 35, and 60th pick along with any player on the Kings roster not named Tyreke, DeMarcus or Marcus for 3-time NBA Champion, 3-time All-Star, 1-time NBA Finals MVP Tony Parker in a heartbeat.
Tony Parker has just turned 29 years old. Him being even a step slower than he used to be still makes him faster than 95% of the NBA. He’s locked up relatively fairly for 2 more years with an option for one more after that with an easy buyout. He’s an above average passer, probably even better if he were on the Kings and wasn’t playing with Ginobili, who plays a lot of PG for the Spurs. He takes care of the ball. He’s not a 3 point shooter, but he’s extremely good at attacking the rim and in the mid-range, hovering around 50% or above for the last 7 years of his career. He’s only really had one injury riddled season and that was 2009-10, otherwise he’s been pretty durable.
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. This is exactly the type of veteran leader and player we need on this team.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 21, 2011 9:13 PM PDT reply actions 14 recs
Plus he can help the youngsters work the VHS player at the practice facility
Because, you know, he’s old.
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I have socks older than that
hey, where are those darned socks?
by betweentheeyes on Jun 21, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
Or to rephrase. If you are Petrie and won’t do this trade, you better have a lot of faith that the player you draft and the player you sign with the cap space will outproduce Parker.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of which
Playing with a guy like Ginobili (successfully) is just another plus for Parker. Ginobili has a very similar Usage rate to Tyreke Evans. Parker has shown he can work with that type of player (a two guard who handles the ball for long periods of time).
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I signed in JUST to REC this
I would make this trade over and over. The question is, once you have TP:
Do you trade Beno or do you trade Garcia? Both?
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I'd say Beno
Cisco could be backup SG and he’s a leader the rest of the team loves.
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And he's the current starting small forward
Not that I’m in love with that idea.
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Wouldn't you guys get the sense
that several more moves would follow a move like this (if it were to go down)?
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And, he can sit our younger guys on his knee
…and tell them about walking to school in the snow uphill both ways
Hate the idea of giving up our pick, but...
Career averages;
MPG FG% 3P% FT% APG PPG
33.0 .493 .315 .732 5.7 16.7
I’d be pretty damn happy with this for a few years, thank you!
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Veteran leadership
Parker can play, but can he change our dysfunctional culture? Can we package him with the Spurs coaching staff?
I think he would command respect
He’s won 3 championships and has been an all star 3 times. The other players should respect and value that. If he can’t help change the team culture, than the organization has issues much deeper than any player we draft or trade for would be able to correct.
Just keep him away from the section with the player’s wives.
by SPTSJUNKIE on Jun 21, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Have the Kings ever traded with SA?
Seems to me SA has always been a solid organization. My only concern would be; What do they know that we don’t when it pertains to this draft, AND; Will TP still have the same fire and commitment if he is playing for a rebuilding team. Otherwise, seems like a good addition for the Kings.
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They did the three way swap where they gave the Spurs Hedo
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Well we got Brad Miller from the Pacers.
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At the time this was a great trade
as we had a frontcourt rotation of Divac, Webber, Miller, which is pretty darn good.
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That's right, thanks
That’s where I had missed the connection. I couldn’t recall an actual deal where we dealt with SA straight up. I love how the Spurs operate, yet it does raise a level of distrust for some reason… I
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Disagree
Parker will be solid for years. PG’s adjust their game. He’s a pro and will do what it takes to make his club better.
Especially in late game situations where the team struggled .
I trust Tony Parker with the ball in his hands in the clutch more than any player on our team now . WAY MORE .
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 9:28 PM PDT reply actions
No
I want nothing to do with any player who would cheat on Eva Longoria
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If the Kings trade for Parker
Does that make Thornton expendable? Or would he be a part of that deal?
I don't believe Thornton can be traded since he's technically a Free Agent.
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That being said
For all his awesomeness, if he could be traded, I’d consider dealing him to San Antonio for Tony Parker.
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I think that the Kings would keep Thornton and look to deal Beno for as little as "future considerations"
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I'd consider looking at the Bulls, who need a backup PG
and trading for C.J. Watson or something, who is more of an undersized SG.
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FWIW, the last thing on Earth the Spurs need is a scoring 2-guard.
Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.
Big men. Lots of folks at PtR like Thompson.
Time to build a new dynasty from the ashes of the old one.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd do that.
Even though the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!
by LeaguePassAddict on Jun 22, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Curious
If there would be any animosity towards Parker, seeing how he had the affair with his team mate, (Brent Barry’s), Wife.
Trust is a huge factor when it comes to building a team, and I would be curious to know how his image is viewed by the rest of the leagues players.
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Who on the Kings is even married??
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by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Beno is getting married this summer.
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Moot point
I would assume screwing a team mates girlfriend would still be frowned upon by his teammates! I mean, it just raises serious issues of trust, IMO.
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Maybe he was just confused...
They do look a bit similar!
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by Dirkula on Jun 21, 2011 9:49 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Yeah...
I’m sorry, but I’d totally fuck Brent Barry’s, too.
If she’s a ho, she’s a ho…and it’s either gonna be you or some other dude.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Not a likable person or player.
Popovich’s system made the best out of him. He is kind of overrated and never was a really good play maker. Plus he’s one more player without range. So, unless we give him a place in the front office where he can tell us ALL POP’S PLAYS AND ORGANIZATIONAL RULES OF THE SPURS, I don’t want him.
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Excellent Summary
Exactly the point I’ve been failing to make in 20+ comments.
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So using this thought process,
Stockton and Malone are not hall of famers – they owe it all to Jerry Sloan.
Three time all star. Finals MVP. Kid’s got something under the hood.
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List of active finals MVP's
Dirk, Kobe, Pierce, Parker, Wade, Duncan, Billups. Nice company this guy keeps.
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We're talking about a specific player on a specific team.
Generalizing it to all championship teams of the past 70 years doesn’t make much sense.
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Not seeing how that was a generalization
But OK. If what you said was true, then wouldn’t the same hold true for Duncan and Ginobli? Your take is that Pop is the three time all star and finals MVP, but he gifted it to Parker. I disagree.
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We're talking about Parker here, there is no need to compare him to other players
to make sense. He was the “worse” of the trio but that’s not that important to the Kings. He’s a good player, a proven player and he’s still in an age to be considered both a veteran and young enough to still have 3-4 years of basketball at a high level. But I feel he’s the exact opposite of what the Kings need both as a character and as a player.
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how is he opposite.
he’s one of the 5 best pg’s in the league, and a multiple time all star, and a finals mvp, yeah your right who would want him.
No problem if you think he's the wrong fit
But the “worse” player made the all star team three times and was a finals MVP. He may be the worst of that trio, but he would be the best player on the Kings today.
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Yes that's true
He would be the best player right now even though I believe Tyreke and DMC are more talented with a higher ceiling.
I just can’t see Parker as an inspiring leader both on and off the court. And you know how difficult things become when you get a player with a heavy contract who’s not a good fit after all.
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Well, I don't think his contract is all that heavy
3 years at $12.5m per and a 4th year team option with a $3.5m buyout. And we’re just going to have to disagree on this one, because I think he fits the current situation like a glove.
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I guess time will tell who knows?
The weird thing is that if the rumour is right, the Spurs won’t to give up the only “young” player of the trio for a not-that-high pick in a shallow draft.
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Except
they have George Hill waiting in the wings, which makes Parker the most expendable.
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So lets just take Jimmer or Kemba
That will put the Kings over the top
by Josh L on Jun 21, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
I sense some sarcasm here
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I kind of disagree
Don’t get me wrong, I’d love if the Kings modeled the front office after the Spurs. But, Parker a speedy scoring point guard, which isn’t something that would normally fit Pop’s slower style. Together, they made it work.
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If this trade does go through
Which I hope it does , Tyreke is really going to have to learn how to play without the ball this summer for this to work . Everything depends on Tyreke’s progression basically if this team wants to take that leap or not .
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 9:59 PM PDT reply actions
Yes Cousins too .
I only hope Tyreke & Demarcus can balance their egos for the good of the team . Parker could definitely help with the mental aspect of being a team player and WINNER in this league for both Reke & Cuz .
by Mrchristopher10 on Jun 21, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
parker does hit that midrange jumper beno likes pretty consistently
he would definitely be a better floor general for us. and tyreke did fine with beno at the point
thats why i don't think this will go down.
reke and parker wouldn’t work well in my opinion. Now parkere and Thornton would I believe.
What makes you think that?
Parker worked well with the high usage Manu. I understand that Ginobli is a far superior deep shooter than Tyreke, but if we’re talking about co-existing, I don’t see the big deal.
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Don't know
In my opinion they are just to similiar. I don’t see them working well together. Manu is a 6th man. He comes in the game and attacks. Far better shooter also. I just think when you have a solid point guard that he should be paired more with a shooter. Just my opinion. but thats probably why I’m not a gm.
but I would love to find out.
I want to see what tyreke has this season when healthy. I really hope he works on his game.
"Parker could definitely help with the mental aspect of being a team player"
Such as;
It ain’t no fun, if the homies can’t have none!
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"Veteran Leadership"
The Thunder made it to the Western Conference Finals on young talent and “timely” veteran additions. They had already been to the playoffs once before signing their key veteran player (Kendrick Perkins). We won 24 games last year. I’d compare our draft this year to when the Thunder picked up Harden. Let our young guys get their feet wet and allow further evaluation. I’d be fine with a player in the 26-27 year old range but this just doesn’t seem like a beneficial trade for us in the long run. Doubt Petrie pulls the trigger
We've heard the trade rumor
Doesn’t that mean it won’t happen?
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But we're in the earlier stages of the rebuilding process
Durant’s first season they won 20 games; second season 23 games. It’s not like he was great right away.
Durant averaged 25 points in his 2nd year in the league
You’re basically saying that Evans+Cousins= Durant+ Westbrook and that Jimmer/Kemba/Leonard= Harden. I’m sorry but you’re being a little bit too optimistic here.
by Josh L on Jun 21, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not much better than Reke's 20/5/5 IMO in his rookie year
Throw in Thornton and Walker and project a couple more years, I think our young talent will hold our own
He played almost the whole season on one foot
Not a fair assessment
I'm not comparing him to Durant
They’re different players. I’m comparing our collective young talent to theirs. It’s hard to assess accurately because we’re a couple years behind in our development. But I think we’re underestimating how good Reke and Cuz will be in this league
I just don’t see the harm in adding Parker to add to that talent
by Josh L on Jun 21, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed
Parker would expedite their growth, not retard it.
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to be honest, even if he didn't expedite it, I can't see how he'd retard it
by wallywagon11 on Jun 21, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
This
These kind of vets help. Especially since Reke is trying to learn some of the painful combo guard lessons Parker had to.
Tyreke wasn't healthy his sophmore year
and yes, his outside shooting improved…
I also never saw this in his first year
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
nope
his outside shooting did not improve, his shot may have looked better, but his percentages were worse.
He had an off year, very inconsistent due to injury.
Let him get healthy and show what he has got.
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 21, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Tell stats to stop lying then
http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Tyreke%20Evans
2010: 16-23 feet 32% Threes 38.3%
2011: 16-23 feet 33% Threes 43.7%
Damn those made up stats
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
BTW
For anyone wondering why those numbers look so funny.
16-23 feet is a FG%
Three pointers is eFG%
Yes
I probably should have used normal 3pt%
2010: 25.5%
2011: 29%
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought that's what we were doing by drafting Jimmer
Right? Is that what I’m suppose to say?
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm saying that we have enough young talent at this point
to be able to make a playoff run without Parker. Assuming we keep the pick and get Walker or Burks and get a couple more role players via second round or free agency/trade. Parker would be a wasted investment in the long run IMO. You think Petrie would pull the trigger on this trade?
I disagree
We have nowhere near the young talent that OKC possesses. Durant and Westbrook are light years better than our best player. We won’t be drafting a Durant anytime soon, so we have to finish this job another way.
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It's not so much finishing the job "another way"
But finishing the job “too soon.” If Parker was 26-27 years old I’d say great. But he peaks a little too early IMO. And if he’s not going to be a major contributor for us in the long run, why trade for him? For “veteran leadership?” What could he give our young guys that Beno or Cisco or Dally couldn’t?
He's just a better player than those guys
So I’ll take better player plus veteran leadership over whatever the others offer.
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually,
I think he times out perfectly. He becomes the best player on the team right now, and by the time his run is up Evans and Cousins mature into the best players on the team. Parker’s “option” year is the Cousins’ qualifying offer year, so the salaries spin out at the right time. If Parker were 26-27 he would not be as established or as good, and you would have to manage his next contract along with Tyreke and Cousins.
Parker for the #7 makes the Kings better, and the cost is a pick in a piss poor draft. If the choice is Parker or (insert name of your favorite draft pick here), it’s a no brainer for me. Give me the three time all start, the finals MVP, the guy that is still in the prime of his career.
Fun facts – The average age of the 10 Kings currently under contract is 24.4. Adding Parker would change that to 28.8. He is only ancient when compared to our roster. Half of the world champion Dallas Mavericks are older than him.
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by section214 on Jun 21, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I guess we differ mostly in how good we think our pick at 7 will be
I do want to mention that the Thunder have a very low average age as well. I know that we don’t have a Durant or a Westbrook, but I think that we would be doing a disservice to both Reke and DMC to not expect similar success from them. Collectively I think our young nucleus has a chance to be great. I also think Walker/Burks have a chance to be great. Not sure we can really compare the Mavs though. They drafted Nowitzki 13 years ago, which is when they began their rebuilding process. We essentially started when we drafted Reke. They’re at a completely different stage and probably only have one or two more years to make good playoff runs. We should aim to be competitive for the next 10 years.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong
But wasn’t the success of the Thunder atypical for such a young team?
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hold on... Let me call the Memphis Grizzlies and find out
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
And make sure that you ask to speak to the 29 year old Zach Randolph
or the 32 year old Shane Battier. Those ancient mariners looked pretty good in the playoffs.
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It's a good thing they have NEAR the miles Parker does
and play the same position, or else your comment would have almost made sense
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What did I miss?
Your inference was that Memphis was a young team. And while I agree, much of their success was tied to their veteran players. I must have missed the part of your statement that said that all replies must tie directly to the point guard position.
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Point being that because a 29 year old big man was good for a young team
Does not mean that a 29 year old high miled point guard is good for our team
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
OK,
that was about a million miles away from what you initially posted, but whatever.
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I guess I'm combining two different arguments
Basically at the end of the day Parker would be a short term solution to our problems.
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
And I’m fine with that. In the short term he becomes the best player on this team, which improves greatly upon his arrival. Eventually, Tyreke and Cousins grow into their roles as best players and team leaders. Parker’s contract is up when Cousins is up for extension, by which time Tyreke and Cousins are veteran performers with playoff experience (and hopefully success).
I will take the above scenario over Jimmer/Alec/Kawhi/Kemba/Jan/Jonas….
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7 straight across, I'm fine with it.
But I’m not sure how set I am with packaging a donte/omri or something like that. Which is what I’m guessing they’d want
Though if they can trade up and draft a SF then that might change
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand your point, but I'm not following your train of thought and how you arrived to this point.
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by kingsfan300 on Jun 21, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that adding Parker
spurs on the success of Evans and Cousins, no pun intended.
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Placing all our opinions aside
Who thinks Petrie actually pulls the trigger on the #7 for Parker? (Although we would probably have to add another piece)
Depends on how enamored he is of the prospects
Given how many guys they’ve looked at, I don’t think that they’ve locked onto that “one guy.”
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I think if he doesn't, he should maybe be fired.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
BTW, to go back to the Vlade comparison
When we signed Vlade, the average age of the players on our roster was: 24.1
Our record the previous season: 27-55
Average age our our starting 5: 23.6
If you have the opportunity
To bring a major talent like Parker to your team without having to trade any major pieces (Reke, Cousins, MT, etc.) you do it. Who at the #7 spot in this draft has the skill set or the experience to match what Parker has done or still can do at his position? Our youth movement phase has pretty much ended. It’s time to bring in skilled veteran players with experience that can contribute to the growth of this team much like Dally did last year.
by sacnativekingsfan on Jun 21, 2011 10:18 PM PDT reply actions
Webber was 29 when he signed a $127 million, seven-year contract with the Kings
Parker just signed a 4 year extension for 50 Million.
I love what Parker brings but I am not sure I stick him in that same realm as C-Web. Couple that with the infidelity with a teammates Wife and I think I’m gonna have to retract my knee-jerk reaction of “Yes, Please!”.
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Webber was 29 when he signed a $127 million, seven-year contract with the Kings
Ya… how’d that work out for us….
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
$41m guaranteed, not $50m
The 4th year has a $3.5m buyout.
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Anyone who wouldn't want Parker
is being seriously unrealistic about the talent level of the current roster and this draft . Parker is worth any player in this year’s draft. Pull the trigger on any reasonable offer for Parker. The team is instantly better, roles instantly more defined. The team is MUCH more attractive to prospective free agents.
by IamPurple on Jun 21, 2011 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
agree 10000000%
if they want the #7 for parker, they would be a fool not to do it. he’s still one of the top 3-3 pg’s in the league. Only his durability is a question.
deron williams, chris paul, steve nash, derek rose are the top tier.
i guess he falls in the next group with rondo, westbrook, and wall.
close enough i guess.
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Yesss
Even if you don’t like Parker or think his value is inflated by Pop’s system – he’s still better than any other option at the #7 spot or any other free agent available. Period.
All else is pipe dreams and yellow-bellied nonsense.
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If Parker's really a problem
could make it a 3-team with Portland and Batum and their 1st coming here
Dude...
He’s been inside of Eva Longoria. Make the deal Geoff.
by Cold12 on Jun 21, 2011 11:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Once again, people!
HE CHEATED ON THIS:
I have to question his decision making abilities
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by vfettke on Jun 21, 2011 11:28 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
When you put it like that....
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 21, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
When you eat a steak dinner everynight,
sometimes a bowl of beans looks pretty good.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
getting parker i believe means
we are gonna lose either thornton or sammy d FOR SURE
We would probably have to move Beno to keep both Thornton and Dalembert
But I think that can be done.
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I don't like Parker either but his age is perfect for the Kings
An experienced leader at PG with 2-3 good years left him is ideal for Tyreke and DMC. Let’s just hope he’s not Parker.
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Amen! We should just draft Bismack and be done with it
2012 champs!
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Amen! We should just draft Bismack and be done with it
2012 champs!
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 21, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh no
Oh please god no
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 22, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta say. Great to be in trade discussions like this.
The asinine trade thread is fun and all, but some backing on these reports that informs the fanbase what kind of deals we’re swinging at is refreshing.
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interesting enough
i would like felton more than parker. the felton trade actually gives us the 22nd pick too where we can get a wing player like tyler honeycutt or chris singleton. i prefer honeycutt ’cause of his upside
Singleton + Felton < Parker
IMO I like Felton but Parker is a proven winner. I’d really like to get Chris Singleton or Kenneth Faried at 22 but that is unlikely.
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omri expected to be in the package
if this trade goes through
Says who?
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Parker sets the Kings up for disappointment
if he comes to the kings i anticipate his numbers dropping because he isnt dishing to players like duncan and ginobili and hes not getting coached as well. Nothing against Westphal but hes no Gregg Popovich. Parker has flourished in that setting for so long i dont necessarily see him handling being thrust onto the Kings that well. At least at first. I think eventually he would be a great addition to the Kings because of his veteren leadership and because he’s much more of a true point guard then anyone else the kings have. But there would be an adjustmant period, possibly resulting in another bad first half of the season, which no one would like to see. It may be worth it long term but it definately could make this upcoming season underwhelming and disappointing.
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by White Brocklate on Jun 22, 2011 12:29 AM PDT reply actions
Parker is smart.
He’d adapt quickly.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Woj via Twitter
If Spurs deal Tony Parker to Kings for 7th pick, expect Omri Caspi to be part of package, sources say. RC Buford has been long fond of him.
The Kings coaching staff, in win-now mode to stay employed, are fully behind trading the 7th pick for an established player, sources say.
Well...
Omri, baby…I love you. But, uh, please hold the door open for Mr. Parker on your way out.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
THIS COULD BE...
huge. Really huge. a healthy tony parker could honestly push the kings into Playoffs. He’s a proven winner and is used to playing with two other stars( timmy = dmc and REKE = mano )
…or it could blow up in every ones face and Set our cheap team back a couple years.
by LongTimeReader1stTimeBlogger on Jun 22, 2011 12:36 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
The whole Parker and Felton situation indicates that
the Kings are after a PG via a trade, meaning that they definitely prefer a SF in the draft.
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You're kinda missing the fact that we're giving up that pick in the trade, I think.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions
so if we do draft a pg
would that mean tyreke starts at the 3? or thornton comes off the bench.. ‘cause i don’t think thornton would want to resign to play off the bench like he did in NO
thats why they need to draft Bismack or Jonas Valanciunas,Tyreke isnt a 3,Thornton is good enough to be a starter,and good guards can be found in the second round like Goudelock and Adam Hanga
No to Bismack
Love Jonas, but dont think he comes over next year.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 22, 2011 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Even if Thornton came off the bench he’d get plenty of minutes at the 6th man role. I can see him becoming a Jason Terry type player. But the NO situation was different. He earned time after what he did for that team last year when Chris Paul was injured, obviously him and Monty Williams had a personal problem because he played less than 12 minutes night in and night out. No disrespect to Marco Belinelli but Marcus Thornton is a much better player than him, he should have received a lot more playing time.
by james_kevin18 on Jun 22, 2011 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Yahoo Sports is a Troll Sports Site
There is zero cred to this little story. San Antonio parting with Parker at 29?? LMAO I didn’t know it was fairy tale time on here…
Marc Stein is talking about it today
And Woj. And nearly everyone else. Are we still at zero cred?
The Spurs have cap issues, and if they have determined that their championship window has closed, it’s time for them to unload and reload. Their deepest position is PG, where George Hill can take the reins. This is their opportunity to shed salary, get younger, and start reloading for their next run. Whether it happens or not, that is the reasoning behind it, and it seems rather sound to me.
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the source being cited is yahoo for the other guys too
That’s not credible enough for me. If a trade for parker does happen, I will change my opinion.
by JVinci on Jun 22, 2011 12:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So -
Trade rumors are not credible unless they happen? Okie dokie.
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I just see this as the perfect fit
Think about it this way. We could be trading Kawhi Leonard for Tony Parker, more or less. It’s been mentioned that we would “need” to move Beno, but I disagree. He would take a hit in his minutes, but I think he would still be valuable to the team. At this point, our weakness becomes bench scoring, and Beno’s ability to run the pick and role and mid-range game would really help that out.
Look at it this way. If the this trade gets done, and we sign a solid SF like Prince and resign Sammy, all of a sudden you have a team with the perfect blend of youth and veterans. Just thinking about that lineup gets me all goose pimply.
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I don;t get the love affair people have with Prince.
No thanks.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 22, 2011 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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