Tony Parker Would Be Perfect For The Kings
by Tom Ziller on Jun 22, 2011 5:05 AM PDT
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Tony Parker could become a member of the Sacramento Kings this week, as the San Antonio Spurs are reportedly fielding offers for the point guard. The three-time All-Star point guard. The three-time starting point guard on an NBA champion point guard. The 29-year-old former NBA Finals MVP point guard. (There is one active player younger than 32 -- Dwyane Wade -- with a Finals MVP to his name. Wade is four months older than Tony Parker.)
There is some difference of opinion in the overnight Parker thread as to whether the Kings should pull the trigger on a deal that sends the No. 7 pick and perhaps Omri Casspi to the Spurs for Parker. There are some concerns. section214 and others did well to address these concerns in the thread, but let's go ahead and lay these out in a story.
To your concerns about a rumored Tony Parker trade:
1. Tony Parker is not old.
No, Tony Parker is not old. He just turned 29 last month. As noted above, Dwyane Wade is older than Tony Parker. As 214 noted in the thread, Dirk Nowitzki, Shawn Marion and Jason Terry are each four years older than Parker; two of those players rely on their athleticism or quickness quite a bit ... and just won a title. Tyson Chandler is a couple months younger than Tony Parker. Kevin Martin is less than one year younger than Tony Parker. Deron Freaking Williams is about one year younger than Tony Parker.
2. Tony Parker is really good.
Three All-Star appearances as a point guard in the West, a conference that features Chris Paul, Steve Nash and until very recently, Deron Williams. Twenty-seven players in the entire NBA registered 2,000 minutes and had a PER over 20 last season. Tony Parker was one of them. I don't think there is any question that Tony Parker is really, really good, so I won't belabor it.
3. Tony Parker is not that expensive.
Parker is due $37.5 million over the next three seasons, and another $12.5 million in 2014-15, unless he's waived, in which case he'd only be owed $3.5 million, per ShamSports. So you can consider the contract $41 million over three years ($13.6 million per year average) or $50 million over four years ($12.5 million per year average). Roughly 30 or so NBA players make more than that, including Carlos Boozer, Amar'e Stoudemire, Brandon Roy, Rudy Gay, Zach Randolph, Joe Johnson, Elton Brand and, uh, Rashard Lewis and Gilbert Arenas. Parker's salary is not that high, considering that he is a multiple-time All-Star at a critical position with championship experience who just turned 29. If Parker were on the open market, his contract would be a lot higher than $12.5 million per year, or $13.6 million per year. A lot higher.
4. Tony Parker fits a need.
The Kings need help spreading the ball and organizing the offense. Tony Parker has finished in the top 10 in the NBA in assist rate three times, and is No. 41 all-time in assist rate. There are few better distributors in the NBA, and their names are Nash, Rondo, Williams, Paul. They are unavailable.
There's some concern that he doesn't shoot the three very well. This is true. He rarely shoots three-pointers (less than one per game lately) and doesn't make them. It could be worse: it could take a ton of three-pointers and miss them. He knows what works for him and what doesn't. His effective field goal percentage is typically quite strong. He's among the most efficient guards in the league on two-pointers.
5. The Kings can still make moves around Tony Parker.
This is the most beautiful thing about having so much cap space: grabbing one player won't suck it all up. If the Kings were to swap No. 7 and Casspi for Parker, the team would have $30 million on the books for next season. The cap last season was $58 million; reports have the NBA owners proposing a new flex cap that's at $62 million. That's a lot of cap space to use! The Kings could significantly upgrade the small forward position through free agency or imbalanced trade with $28 million plus in cap space. Even when you re-sign Marcus Thornton for $5-6 million, you are left with just a ton of space. section214 also noted that you could unload Beno Udrih to a contender for a second-round pick -- Udrih is a fair value player at a critical position, a position at which some contenders suck. That'd free up another $6.9 million. Trading for Parker could be a step 1 to the offseason, not the whole shebang.
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In conclusion: please please please happen.
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Let's assume we trade the #7 pick and Omri for Tony Parker.
Re-sign Marcus Thornton.
Dalembert can’t go to any contenders because the new CBA takes away the MLE. He looks at the Kings and goes “Hey, these guys can offer me a lot of money and they just got a great veteran! Let’s re-sign with them”
Beno Udrih is unloaded for either a future first to a good team or a 2nd round pick from this year on draft day, freeing up some more space.
The Kings need some shooters. They re-sign Peja Stojakovic to a veteran minimum contract so that he might finish his career with the Kings. Also good marketing to have a guy like Peja back. But this isn’t Peja of old, so we still need a good three that can shoot the ball and space the floor.
I don’t like many of the SF options via FA, so maybe something in trades, using Donté and next year’s 1st rounder as trade bait.
Then our depth chart would look something like this:
C: Sam Dalembert, Hassan Whiteside
PF: DeMarcus Cousins, Jason Thompson, Darnell Jackson
SF: Mystery Starter, Donté Greene, Peja Stojakovic
SG: Tyreke Evans, Marcus Thornton, Francisco Garcia
PG: Tony Parker, Pooh Jeter
That sounds pretty good to me.
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I don't think anything on draft day could happen
That would make me more happy than Tony Parker for the #7 and Omri. It’d be the first step back to relevancy I think.
I might even be willing to further help San Antonio to shed salary by grabbing the much improved 3 point shooter Richard Jefferson in the deal as well, although that would be a tough pill to swallow.
But still… Tony Parker.
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i would hate to see RJ packaged in a deal
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions
he had the highest 2 point and 3 point percentages at the position last year
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by sac_faithful on Jun 22, 2011 5:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
come on, really?
he would be a significant upgrade over anything the kings have.
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by TrojanCBB on Jun 22, 2011 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Per Marc Stein
Sounds like that’s exactly what the Spurs are trying to do.
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you dont think he would be an upgrade over donte and casspi?
seriously?
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I think so
He would definately be an upgrade. BUT, if thats the case it would have to involve Beno and Garcia. That salary together is less than what both of them make individually.i think. I would do it, Thats just a ton of salary to digest.
Looks like RJ has 3 years left on a 4 year contract he signed at $38.8M last summer. If we can somehow move Beno and/or Cisco have no problem taking RJ’s contract on and if we can get TP.
by VirginiaKingsFan on Jun 22, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess I'm kind of okay with it
That contract isn’t too easy to digest. But, it doesn’t completely destroy our cap space. And come to think of it, he is a solid veteran who can shoot three at a decent clip and defends fairly well. Maybe he is the type of veteran the Kings need. So actually, fuck my initial reaction. Get it the fuck done.
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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd still say yes probably.
Parker, Reke, Jefferson, Cousins, Dalembert. That seems like a playoff caliber starting 5 to me.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
It does actually
Although I’d want to try and give them back some salary
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
As much as I love Cisco
he would be a logical choice.
Beno, I think is tradeable…(might have to kick in some cash, depending)
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Those are the two I was thinking of as well
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Yeah I probably would as well
Spurs are still gonna need a backup PG for George Hill, so Beno makes sense. That’d alleviate Jefferson somewhat…
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The thought
Of Beno playing for Popovich again makes me chuckle.
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by section214 on Jun 22, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yup, TP and RJ go straight into the starting line-up. Resign Sammy and with the Western Conference going into some transition – we got ourselves a potential playoff team, without question…
by VirginiaKingsFan on Jun 22, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
That might be the worst 3-point shooting lineup in the league.
Definitely a big improvement in talent, but it wouldn’t leave much (or any) opportunity to fix that glaring weaknesses.
by Charlieb on Jun 22, 2011 9:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think now we see this as a complete salary dump for SA
I don’t like RJ at all, and you’d have to remove Casspi from the deal and add Cisco IMO.
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I think taking Casspi out of the deal makes it a deal breaker for SA
Tony Parker is worth more than a salary dump and SA knows it.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I see the point of keeping Casspi BUT....
You have to think about what Casspi actually is and what his celing with us will be come contract time. It’s obvious Omri isn’t developing as he needs to and although Greene is inconsistant on offensehe is clearly making the strides that Casspi is not. Add to the fact that Donet’ may have the 2nd highest if not the highest potwntial of ANY king on the team rivaled by DC and I see Casspi as the expendable one. Consider the positions that Greene and Casspi can defend respectively. Greene is just abt a 4 position if not 5 position defender. Casspi struggles with quicker 2’s and 3’s and Greene has better size and I think will develop into the better overall shooter n not just outside. Casspi will be a solid player if not eventual starter elsewhere but Greene still has potential to be a Star and letting a vet athele like RJ start n help him grow will only do him justice plus Donte’ is a team guy. If the Spurs will I’ve up Parker and RJ for #7 and Cassspi bring it on because this will be one of the few big trades where we may have the better end of the deal for our team needs…Thoughts?
by ThatFGuy916 on Jun 22, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Parker for JUST the #7
would make you happier…. is it totally out of the question that that happens? Allen for the #5, Mitch for the #3, I’m sure there are a few more. Do we have to include Omri?
We wouldn't be able to trade this year's pick to SA and then trade next year's pick for a SF, right?
Unless one of the trades happens after the pick is made, or however that rule works. So it would probably need to be the 2013 pick that would bring the SF, and that would likely have a much lower value. Also, I’m not sure where the Peja signing is coming from in your scenario (other than renewing the relevance of your username). Full disclosure, I did not watch very much playoff basketball this year, so maybe Peja was a bigger contributor than I was aware, but I thought he was all but done for as a player with that back of his. Anyways, I think I’d rather use the “Peja money” on a real starting SF or maybe a Pooh Jeter upgrade. Does having Peja on the team really add more than what you get with Cisco (considering Cisco would likely be completely squeezed out by Peja)?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2011 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions
We could trade next year's pick
After we make our pick this year.
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i MIGHT be biased as a kings fan
but i would bet a good deal of money we have a worse pick next year so this is not a bad idea. but considering how much garbage this pick is I would rather trade this one
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Well if we trade for Tony Parker
then yes, our pick will be worse next year because this team just got a lot better.
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So a draft day deal where we pick whoever for the Spurs and send him away immediately allows us to trade next year's pick?
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2011 5:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Because we’re not trading a pick, we’re trading draft rights
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I'm honestly for the Peja signing completely from a marketing standpoint
Seriously. He likely won’t play much, but hey, you have that option and a one year minimum contract aint much.
Another option if you want a shooter off the bench is to take a flier on Michael Redd and see if he has anything left in the tank.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2011 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'm not seeing the Peja thing happening, from either party's perspective.
I could totally see the Redd thing happening though, or a similar situation.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2011 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Redd has no contract anymore
Unrestricted Free Agent. Hence the one year minimum contract I mentioned.
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my bad
better be cheap then considering how many games he has played recently
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Redd is in the top 50 highest paid athletes....
if that title is given to a kings player he better be fully healthy and “balling”… micheal redd is nowhere near “balling”
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Aykis' line up sound damn tasty right now. Unfortunately as much as I trust Petrie in the draft,
it completely opposite when it comes to trades. Call me pessimist, but with the exception of the first webber trade, he hasn’t a homerun trade ever since. Although it only really takes big one to put us back in contention. Here’s hoping GP pulls the bunny outta the hat. Fingers and toes crossed kings fans!
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I don't know
I can think of two good trades he’s pulled off in the last year with Carl Landry for Marcus Thornton and Hawes/Nocioni for Dalembert.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 22, 2011 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we re-sign Dalembert to a palpable contract then i will consider that trade a win.
Although I still consider the Thornton trade basically a straight up KMart for MT trade in the end. I like Thornton’s killer instinct over Martin so I give the slight edge for us in that trade, however i can name more than a handful of past trades where we lose value in return.
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Yeah
But what you have to remember is that many of the trades that fans hate were done to cut salary and start rebuilding. Seeing more and more of what the Maloof’s finances look like, you can start to get a glimpse of why some of these trades were done. remember, this is the same guy who brought you Webber for an aging Rock, and Bibby for JWill. He can make great trades when the owners aren’t all over him to save money.
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Another GREAT Petrie trade...
Doug Christie for Corliss Williamson. That one is always lost in the shuffle of the big names during our turn of the century run.
by AoxomoxoA on Jun 22, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Hedo and Pollard for Brad Miller was also very underrated
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by CaliforniaJag on Jun 22, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
So that Nocioni/Hawes for Daly trade is only a win if we re-sign Daly?
I disagree. It’s a win no matter what. It’s more of a win if we re-sign him. We got rid of Andres Nocioni, whose contract was terrible and was completely useless. We also officially gave up on Spencer Hawes, who is crap and had an attitude problem.
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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only if we re-sign him.
Hawes was a top ten pick only a couple of years ago and still has an opportunity to turn it around. Unlikely, but he has the talent to do so. I agree Nocioni’s contract was atrocious, but we we don’t re-sign daly and gave away a former high pick/starting center just to unload Noc’s contract then we are back to square one. Having Daly anchoring the middle in exchange for Hawes/Noc is win in my book. I do see your point nonetheless.
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Spencer Hawes fucking sucks
And will not turn it around without a major attitude change, which I don’t see happening
Also, keep in mind that I’m slightly biased against Hawes
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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This makes me wonder...
how close we were to landing D. Will last year. Seems like we are looking for an All-Star caliber PG. Hopefully we pull this off… Parker, Reke, DMC, MT23 the future is bright!
by Doors Open on Jun 22, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
FA SF
Aykis, what about Battier at the 3?
by BobTheAutomator on Jun 22, 2011 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions
On a 1 or 2 year deal I'd be perfectly fine with it
But Battier really IS old. 36 next year.
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True
i don’t think he will get anything long term, so 1 or 2 years is great. Assuming we trade Omri, Donte could learn a lot from him in a year or 2 while increasing his minutes.
by BobTheAutomator on Jun 22, 2011 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Miami takes Beno in a heartbeat
Which makes it a guarantee that Mike Bibby slashes Beno’s tires for replacing him… again
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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear
The reason this has’t been done yet is because Petrie has bitten off Buford’s hand, so he can’t sign the paperwork.
i could care less about peja coming back, though it would be good nostalgia for lost fans
i do care about developing demarcus…. and having a guy like parker around would be extremely valuable…. the guy has spent his whole career with the best PF of all time.
we need veteran leadership as our team is ridiculously young. How many games were we “in” during the final minutes of the and ended up handing it over to the other team… in embarrassing fashion.
trade this garbage pick…. which we have been trying to justify/glorify for the last month and get some help on this team. Tony parker at PG immediately solves a lot of problems. The guy has ran (along with poppovich and TD) arguably the best team in basketball for the last decade.
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:28 AM PDT reply actions
I concur, Parker would be a fine addition to the team.
I’d even go so far as to add #60 to make the deal happen. I know I’ll get blasted for that, but sometimes you have to make bold moves to take your team to the next level.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2011 5:35 AM PDT reply actions
i dont know
there have been SO many relevant players picked 60th overall
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:38 AM PDT up reply actions
It just occurred to me though, if any team could make the #60 pick relevant, it's the Spurs.
Looks like the joke’s on me.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2011 5:39 AM PDT up reply actions
2nd to last pick in the draft
Manu Ginobili would tend to agree.
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yeah, and 50 other no namers would disagree
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:42 AM PDT reply actions
idk about TP/evans
the closest player to ginboli on sac is marcus thornton, but a backcourt of TP/Mt couldn’t guard squat….im not sure many players compliment evans, maybe if he develops a killer 3 point stroke (probably not though…)
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Reke's side step and Manu's euro step are pretty unique
But MG can shoot.
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by sac_faithful on Jun 22, 2011 5:48 AM PDT up reply actions
"shoot"
yea thats a HUGE difference in terms of spacing…if evans can however make midrange and 3 shots as consistently as wade though, it’ll be better….
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by big_p.a.w.z. on Jun 22, 2011 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Wades 3 percentage is crappy
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by sac_faithful on Jun 22, 2011 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm all for this
I think Parker would be a great addition to this young Kings team. The development of this team would speed up so quick. The only concern I have about giving up Casspi is that you take away one of our few 3-point shooters and Parker doesn’t bring that back. This leaves you with Thornton and Garcia as the only real threats from deep. But you could always go after a shooter in FA I guess. In this case, what Parker brings to this team definitely outweighs that negative. LETS GET IT DONE.
I'd love to see this happen as well.
This team has enough young projects as it is, and this isn’t a good draft anyway.
If they manage to resign Dalembert and Thornton, I’d be ecstatic. I don’t trust the Garcia-Greene combo enough to give them the keys to the 3 spot, but that wasn’t something the 7th pick was going to solve for sure anyway.
I wouldn't go far to say that Parker is a "perfect" fit for the Kings.
Although, I think he would be a decent fit for us. The thing that scares me the most about Parker is that he is not a threat @ 3PT range. If you put Parker in the backcourt with Evans, the shooting between those two leaves a lot to be desired. It will give the other team incentive to swarm the paint. Also, this move pretty much ends the whole “Evans as PG” idea. Parker will be seen as the “PG” while Evans plays off the ball more often now. This also put Thornton to the bench. Which may be a problem. But with that said, I kinda like this changed dynamic. The ball movement will be more influenced by Parker & Cousins. Both of these guys are competent passers for their respective positions. They will create scoring opportunities for others. I think the current offense of the Kings is blah. It’s mostly ball screen after ball screen after ball screen, with the hint of spot up shots and isolation plays. I think if you put the ball in both Parker & Cousins hands, you will see an improved team offense easily.
In terms of guards, other than Wade, both Evans & Parker are near/at the top of the list in terms of point conversion at the basket. Both of these guys are elite in transition and getting to the basket and converting from there. Other than the “LeBron/Wade” duo, I can’t think of a better duo that can get to the basket at will than the “Parker/Evans” duo. Having this advantage will be important in many ways.
To me, if the Spurs are willing to agree Parker for #7 principle, I jump on that like no other trade.
Rebuilding the Kings.
i totally agree with the parker and cousins remark....
this guy played with the best PF of all time for his whole career… and ran arguably the best team over the last decade…. hard to justify not trading this pick when you consider how garbage it is
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions
As to the "Evans as PG" idea
There’s 96 minutes between the two backcourt positions. Reke would still play the role of primary ballhandler when Parker’s not on the court. And sometimes when he’s on the court.
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great point
parker to cousins when he is in and tyreke breaking down defenses the rest of the time sounds like a potent offense…. throwing marcus thornton in the mix could really give defenses headaches
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Manu already does this with Parker on the floor
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by sac_faithful on Jun 22, 2011 6:21 AM PDT up reply actions
the more we talk about this the more i want to go make a sign
that reads “PULL THE TRIGGER ON PARKER” and go stand outside of petrie’s office
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 5:59 AM PDT reply actions
How the hell can Omri land Tony Parker?
They’re not even close to being on the same level.
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Haha
I was thinking there is NO effing way san antonio would take omri and #7 for Parker. It would be insulting just to offer that!
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 22, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Boston got Allen for the #5 pick
Mitch Richmond for #3. Not totally out of the question that Parker goes for just the #7
but for "this" number 7?
The pick this year seems pretty worthless
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 22, 2011 8:51 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing slightly worries me.
We’d be dealing for him right before a potential lock-out season. I know Ziller just stated how not old he really is but if we lose this next season, he’d be 30 before putting on a Kings uni.
yeah but no miles will have accumulated during that time
a year in the nba is not the same as a year at home
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions
i was having a good morning until i read the words
“webber’s ankle”
might as well have a name that says
“robbert horry’s uncontested shot in your face”
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Better than Webber's Knee.
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Parker would be great with DMC for pick and rolls
With Nash he is probably the best PG in the league regarding pick and rolls situation on offense.
as i have been saying
he has been working with the best PF of all time for his whole career, what he brings to this franchise is priceless in terms of developing our monster in the middle
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, this thought just sold me on Parker.
He’d make DMC amazing.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 22, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep and in terms of marketing, it will help having a star like Parker.
and maybe i won’t be the only Sacramento kings fan living in France anymore^^
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Very good points on Tony Parker, and I agree wholeheartedly
Just a question on TP though. How is he on defense? I know he’s most probably better than Beno in that regard, but is it significantly better, or is it negligible? Sorry, I’ve only been watching Kings games the past 2 seasons, and didn’t mind much about other teams.
He's a good defender, not great
But he’s not much of a pickpocket. Barely averages a steal a game.
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Im all for it.. get it done, now
I think that pick would turn out to be Alec burks, he would be a solid addition to the spurs. In fact I think he would be so solid for them we can give garcia and our 35th pick n they would do it. I would rather do that to offset some salary while aquiring Parker. That’s not a bad package for Parker, maybe give them some youth with Donte. I think we can make that package work, Garcia wouldn’t be a bad fit for ther team, its time for us to start getting the better value out of the trades..
by Chent on Jun 22, 2011 6:51 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
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we need to look differently at MT
If we trade for Parker, it changes the whole dynamic of the backcourt. Parker is more pick and roll, drive and dish, midrange shooter. In general, the reason why MT fits is we need a drop dead shooter to pain with Reke. Having Parker and Reke together doesn’t seem like a fit for me, just another pack it in zone D we’ll be looking at. I’m not necessarily against, but if we do this I’d let MT walk as he’s not going to want to resign and then sit the bench.
I think we could play the 3 of them together
PG Parker
SG Thornton
SF Evans
Parker and Evans can guard the opposing PG and SF, while Thornton is a little bit undersized for a SG but that’s his position. Evans can penetrate and run in the open court, Parker can play the pick and roll (and do the same things Evans do), Thorton can shoot from midrange and long range. it would take some time, but i think it could work offensively.
by Jérémy Vallet on Jun 22, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Or bring MT off the bench as a sixth man
He won’t mind that as long as he gets minutes, which he will. Plus, he’ll get those important end of game minutes that he relishes.
Playing Evans at SF means we lose the match up problems that come with him at the 1 or 2. He’s bigger than other PGs and SGs, but can generally still keep up with them. If he really dedicates himself on the defensive end he can become a defensive nightmare.
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THE ANSWER BETTER BE NO!!
What in the world are the Kings going to do with a Parker. Another Guard who struggles from he outside, really!?! Please Kings do not do this; this is a temp move for someone trying to hold on to a job. Why would we put two similar players next to each other and bench the best shooter on the team, MT. Like I keep saying MT sucks coming off the bench. And why would you resign with a team who is bringing in someone to replace you in the starting line up. We need a SF, trade the pic for a SF or draft 6’7 207lbs Klay Thompson…period…we will regret signing Parker, if it happens
Umm...
How does MT suck coming off the bench? Proof please.
He sucked coming off the bench last year for NOLA because he didn’t get minutes. Coming off as the 6th Man, where he still gets plenty of minutes will do just fine for him
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No for two reasons
1) French cuisine sucks.
2) I prefer Felton!
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Their cuisine is top notch
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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes for two reasons
1) French cuisine is delicious (i’m french and i love french cuisine^^)
2) Parker is better then Felton, he has lead the spurs to multiple championships (with duncan ans ginobili i know but still…) and unlike felton his contract doesn’t expire at the end of next season. But if it’s your opinion you can prefer Felton!
by Jérémy Vallet on Jun 22, 2011 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I won't argue about 1, I can't change my mind lol
About 2.. yes the fact that Felton’s contract is expiring is a major disadvantage. Big enough to make the Parker trade better in my eyes. Still I can’t believe the Spurs would ever do that. They don’t have a high potential backup pg. George Hill never was a PG. He’s just a good short SG. Unless Walker is available at #7, it looks pointless to me (from the perspective of the Spurs).
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Sucks off the bench
I’m basing this off the fact that he was traded because he played horrible off the bench. The only times the MT played great were his rookie year as a staring point guard and with us as a starting guard. Look at his numbers, this is why they traded him in the first place.
Marcus was amazing off the bench for the Kings this year.
And that’s really all that matters.
by VenomySnicket on Jun 22, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Umm... no
Marcus played 27 games for us. Which leaves 55 games for New Orleans, but he only played in 46 of them, and started 0. In the 46 games he played for New Orleans last season he played 745 total minutes which is about 16 minutes per game. For the 27 games with us he started 23 and played 1030 minutes which is 38 minutes per game. And if you look at his Per 36 numbers to normalize the stats, they didn’t change that much. His points, steals, assists and FG% went up at a decent clip. But his rebounding and 3P% suffered.
So no, he didn’t suck off the bench. His stats were pretty much on par with his time in NOLA last year. But, he didn’t get minutes
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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm all for getting Parker.
But I don’t want any part of Jefferson or his contract. Beno, Casspi and #7 would be the perfect deal to me.
by WhiteChocolate55 on Jun 22, 2011 7:48 AM PDT reply actions
Why do the Spurs do this?
Jefferson’s pretty much a given in this deal. He’d also be better than any current option at the 3
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I think that's pushing it
While RJ shot well from three last season, his stats otherwise the two years with SA are pretty underwhelming. If it were a straight up deal (not taking $s into account), I’d keep Casspi over RJ.
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whoa what?
Casspi is a nice player and all. However, he has been incredibly inconsistent and has complained about playing time despite the fact that he has been given every opportunity to nail down the starting small fwd slot.
jefferson has been a starting SF in the league his entire career for a reason.
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Did you look at RJ's stats the last two seasons?
His 3 point shooting last season was excellent, but he’s been on the decline for a while. Looking at the advanced numbers (rebounding %, assist %, etc.), Casspi is as good or better in most categories.
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you dont think going to a place where he was the 4th option had anything to do with that?
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true he would be a lower option here too.
but before going to popovich’s system his stats seem ok to me.
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Could be
But I thought he was a bit overrated going into SA. Just not a big fan. But if he shoots 40% from three, I’ll warm to him quickly. :)
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Jefferson worked on his form last summer
so as to perfect the “Catch-and-shoot” that is so prevalent in Popovich’s drive-and-kick to the guy in the corner for 3 offense.
The improvement showed dramatically. The Kings have a similar strategy with their 3 point attempts with most of them coming from Tyreke slashing in the lane and then kicking out to Omri/Marcus/Beno/Cisco.
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I'm all for taking as many Spurs players as we can get.
Bringing in defensive oriented and developed guys can really change our team.
That being said, I’d prefer not to get Jefferson.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 22, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Spurs will make the trade if Kings or Toronto
The Spurs will make the trade because they are eyeing a point guard at the 7 pic or Toronto’s 5th. They probably want Kemba, but that scares me even more. The Spurs are willing to give up Parker for a unproven pt guard out of the draft…these kind of trades make me nervous.
why does it concern you?
I am not as on board with the move as most (not bad though, I’m just a really picky bastard) but why would the fact they are also talking to Toronto scare you?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2011 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I think because
Duncan is old, Manu isnt getting any younger, Jefferson, etc. I think they are starting the youth movement before they hit rock bottom, and while they still have value. But I could be wrong.
if they can pull these trades off, then they will have a nice young core for when duncan goes off the books...
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no to parker! too much like Reke
This!
So much this!
I can’t even begin to explain how much I’d rather have an unproven rookie in a weak draft class thats not even really on the Kings radar over Tony Parker an NBA Champion and All Star
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by vfettke on Jun 22, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You mean Reke is too much like Parker
Who was first? Plus Parker is way better at whatever it is they are similar at (not sure what exactly) anyways.
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 22, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Umm, yes please!
It’s times like these that I love Twitter…love that I was able to follow this stuff whilst out of town without Internet access other than on my phone. Jefferson makes this semi questionable for me but man, I’d freaking LOVE to get Parker. Dude is an elite PG in the league and to think we could get him for the 7th pick in a not so strong draft and probably Omri is unreal. I’m all for this…it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.
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I'm fine with Jefferson
His contract sucks, but we have the cap space take him on, and re-sign Thornton and Daly while STILL being under the cap. Plus, he’d automatically be the best 3 on our roster
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I didn’t realize just how much cap space we have, somehow. Holy fuck. I’d do this trade in a heartbeat. Which probably means it’s a good thing I’m not a GM…
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This potential rotation gives me a Jimmer
Parker/Beno
Evans/Thornton
Jefferson/Garcia/Greene
Cousins/Thompson
Dalembert/Cousins
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That is about 60 million a year
do you think the Maloofs are willing to do this?
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That is a good question
The thing is, (and yeah this is all rumor at this point) this feels kind of like what GP pulled off that started the glory years. I could see the Maloofs getting excited enough about this that they tell GP to pull the trigger. In one fell swoop the Kings could be legitimate again.
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Oh Noes!
That may rocket them all the way up to the bottom 1/3rd of the league in payroll!
by unfair weather on Jun 22, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't sound like much
but considering who we are dealing with, anything over 50 million I would be surprised about
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 22, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Then the reality is.
We will never get out of the NBA basement.
by unfair weather on Jun 22, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm unemployed and live an hour away
But if that’s our lineup I’m making it to more than just one game this season. I’m sure a lot of people will feel the same way. A team like this can win. A team that wins sells tickets.
This works double for me. I’ll get to root on my favorite team as they win, and I’ll also get to heckle a Frenchman, which is another big passion of mine.
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That is a championship Calibur team.
Look at all that talent on defense and offense. I mean wow…
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 22, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like it
I think he’s the type of vet we need on this team. He seems to get to the basket a lot as well. Doesn’t he end up at the top of “points scored in the paint” every year?
Beno, Garcia and Omri and #7 to Philly for Parker and Rj, Mcdyess
Tony P > Pooh Jeter > Isiah Thomas(#35)
Reke > Thornton> Ryan Thompson
Splitter > Donte > 60
Cousins > Mcdyess
Dalembert > JT > Whiteside
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Defending the hell out of this trade in the fanshot
If the Spurs take Beno, i would not mind the Kings taking back Jefferson in the deal. Kings can finally become relevant again while Tyreke and DMC continue to improve.
I would be scared
that whoever comes here from from SA who are used to a tight regimented serious team, would be extremely frustrated with the schoolyard type of ball the Kings play.
by prowseinthehouse on Jun 22, 2011 8:15 AM PDT reply actions
I thought the same thing
But I wouldn’t worry about it too much. If it turns out that Westphal’s doing things the right way (and the players just aren’t getting it because they are young), then these vets help quite a bit. If it turns out Westphal’s clueless, he’s gone pretty quick.
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I threw out his name in the Felton thread
but I didn’t know he resigned early in the year, I thought he was a FA (one of the few good ones this offseason). I thought we’d haev to do a sign and trade, but I guess this makes things a little easier.
Anyway, I agree he would be a great fit. Ball handling, leadership, shooting a high %, not the greatest 3pt shooter, but I don’t really need that from a guy handling the ball and distributing for others (just means Reke will have to get better). And we need a SF who shoots well too.
My only concern is the cost. I would give up the #7 pick and not much more. If we trade for him do we still have another $10mil in cap space to shop for a SF?
I think it boils down to this
Were the Maloofs serious about spending all their cap space? This deal (even with RJ) seems to address quite a few issues for this team, and brings some much needed veteran leadership.
If we went in to next season adding Parker/Jefferson and resigning Thornton and Dalembert, I’d be pretty damn optimistic about the direction things are going.
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one would think we'd be competing for playoff spots for the next three years
could certaintly do worse
by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Interesting analysis by Zach Lowe at SI
http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/06/22/spurs-smart-to-explore-trades-for-parker/
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by otis29 on Jun 22, 2011 8:46 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Question
Does Parker have a chronic injury, like an ankle that isn’t great but he plays ok with that will eventually go bad?
Who do the Spurs want? They have had a pretty good record in the draft is there someone in the draft they want
To win in the NBA you need talent, for that reason Parker would help make the Kings a more talented team, think his record would hopefully serve as an example to Cousins/Evans who may see themselves as “the man”, in that he has won a title in this league and follow his lead. I would think a backcourt of Evans and Parker with both playing guard could be interesting, neither would have to be a traditional point Guard or a two guard
Parker has only had one season where he had a nagging injury in 09-10.
But he’s been very durable otherwise, by far the best health wise of San Antonio’s big 3.
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I think this is a no-brainer.
I do this deal IMMEDIATELY even if we take on Richard Jefferson.
It is EXTREMELY rare to take on a star player in a trade for literally NOTHING. To get that player at 29 with a good contract for 4 more years…….???? Let’s do this before SA changes their mind.
The 7th pick and Casspi???? SERIOUSLY. What is there to think about?
we're gonna burn up all the cap space that we could use to sign dwight howard next year...
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Yeah, because having cap space available = player automatically signs there
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by CaliforniaJag on Jun 22, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah probably, sorry
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by CaliforniaJag on Jun 22, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Boston
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If you want to be smart about it
They are unavailable for what we’d offer.
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Parker = less mistakes + leadership
I haven’t looked at the stats (turnover) but it seems that Parker does not make many mistakes in terms of shooting and decision making with the ball : having watched so many horrible Kings games for 2 years with so many bad decision making (especially at the end of games !), I think he is really the guy for the Kings (and I am not saying that because I’m French !).
My 2 cents....I saw that SI piece....I respect the pro argument but my gut says No
1. If Valanciunas is available at 7, I would prefer that the Kings have him instead of the Spurs. Many people respect dalt99’s system, so please check dalt99’s score for Valanciunas again.
2. Read 1 above. The Spurs have shown that they don’t need 1st rd picks to acquire quality wings/guards…in terms of rebuilding the Spurs lose nothing and gain something big, pun intended.
by getPGwithbounce on Jun 22, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
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