Richard Jefferson's Value
by Exhibit G on Jun 22, 2011 11:15 AM PDT
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PrintThere have been rumors that the Spurs could be shopping Tony Parker. The Kings have been rumored as a team that could acquire Parker. This has upset some, but many of us have been very excited about this news. Then we learned that San Antonio is attempting to package Richard Jefferson in the deal, and many have soured on the idea.
The primary reason is due to Jefferson's remaining contract, which has roughly $30 million remaining over the next 3 seasons, per Sham Sports. $30 million, rather than $39 million which I've seen mentioned. $39 million would include his 2010-2011 salary which has already been paid.
$30 million is better than $39, but is still pretty hefty for a guy who has seen his stats decline over the past few years, and is now 30 years old. But is the contract unreasonable for what you would be getting? Let's explore.
To determine if Jefferson's contract is outrageous, it seems fair to compare it to those with similar production and circumstances. For the purpose of this exercise, we'll look at players who are 30 years old or older, play a forward position, grab fewer than 5 rebounds per game, and score between 10 and 15 points per game. It may not be pretty, but that's what we're dealing with here. This gives us a pretty specific list.
Now we can compare the salaries of these players:
Corey Maggette - $21 million, 2 years
Tayshaun Prince - $11 million, 1 year*
Grant Hill - $3 million, 1 year *
Mike Dunleavy - $10 million, 1 year*
Hedo Turkoglu - $34 million, 3 years
Richard Jefferson - $30 million, 3 years
Al Harrington - $27 million, 4 years
*Prince, Hill, and Dunleavy are all free agents this summer, so I presented their salary for last season.
From this, we see that Jefferson's contract isn't really out of line compared to similar players, with the exception of Grant Hill, who took less money to stay in Phoenix last summer. Another noticeable difference is Al Harrington. This might be the only time during the length of Harrington's contract where he's considered a bargain.
All of these players are on the downside of their careers, but each is still relatively capable of contributing. Sure, they may be slightly overpaid, but at least the league is pretty consistent. And it demonstrates that Jefferson is not horribly overpaid compared to similar players.
All in all, Igoudala would be a better SF for this team than Jefferson, but Igoudala also makes more than Jefferson. In that regard, Jefferson's contract is not out of line at all. Not to mention that Igoudala would not come with Tony Parker.
The contract isn't great, but it also isn't as bad as it initially seems.
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Not to mention...
his production dropped dramatically with San Antonio. On the Kings he could go back to his previous averages, could he not?
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Or he could get worse:(
Especially if he is unhappy about coming here.
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considering he does not have a ring and Tayshaun does, not quite sure about that
by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Does championship experience = rings?
Do you need to have a ring to say you have championship experience? I didnt say he has won more titles than anyone else, just said he has more championship experience (although i probably should have said he has more “Finals” experience than anyone, that probably would have been less vague).
Tayshaun actually has been to the finals twice too and played over 20 more playoff games to boot
hey just saying, doesn’t really matter either way
by wallywagon11 on Jun 22, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
this might be a better way to present the contracts
you can edit / delete this post and put it up top if you’d like
Corey Maggette – $21 million, 2 years / $10.5 million per year
Grant Hill – $3 million per year, expired this year
Tayshaun Prince – $11 million per year, expired this year
Mike Dunleavy – $10 million per year, expired this year
Richard Jefferson – $10 million per year, 3 years remaining
Hedo Turkoglu – $11.3 million per year, 3 years remaining
Al Harrington – $6.75 million per year, 4 years remaining
woops, should read:
Grant Hill – $3 million per year, expired this year
Tayshaun Prince – $11 million per year, expired this year
Mike Dunleavy – $10 million per year, expired this year
Corey Maggette – $10.5 million per year, 2 years remaining
Richard Jefferson – $10 million per year, 3 years remaining
Hedo Turkoglu – $11.3 million per year, 3 years remaining
Al Harrington – $6.75 million per year, 4 years remaining
Something i just realized.
Ginobili’s on the Spurs! No one better for Casspi to learn from.
I like this trade. It’s good all the way around, except in cap space, and it ain’t my money.
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the question is, if we get parker n jefferson, would jefferson be a veteran presence that the sixers might want in place of iggy? lol
sure he’s not the greatest veteran presence, but he has a lower payroll than that of iggy. we can package him with either JT, beno, garcia, our second round picks, or anything as long as its not our core.. just a thought. probably too far fetched lol
yeah just sayin.
pickin up jefferson in the package doesn’t necessarily mean we have to keep him
I think it pretty much does until he becomes an expiring contract and I don't have any idea how much those are worth anymore
If we pick up Jefferson, and I’m not opposed to the trade, the only way we get someone to take his contract off the King’s hands is to pay them to take him either with players or picks or combo of both. His contract isn’t horrible a la Gilbert Arenas’s contract but nobody is going to be making a trade to pick up Jefferson by himself. Should probably better say that at this point I can’t think of a team that would but in the NBA who knows. I think this past season has proven that there are no more untradeable contracts.
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Who'd spread the floor
If this hypothetical came to fruition, The starting 5 of parker, reke, iggy, cousins, dalembert/JT/whoever would be the worst shooting team in the NBA. I wonder what the zone:man to man ratio over an entire season for that team would be.
RJ and Parker
Jefferson has really improved his 3pt percentage. Parker is not a great 3pt shooter, but he is at long 2pt.
I was addressing the "If Jefferson was traded for Iggy" scenario
This hypothetical is if Iggy ended up in sac instead of Jefferson. In that scenario, Parker would be the best shooter on the floor in the starting unit, and that is not good.
sorry...
I lost track of which post that was attached to
I'll start off by saying I fully support this trade if it lands us Parker
I just want to point out how it has been mentioned that Parker is not old (and I agree, 29 is not old) yet this post subtely insinuates that Jefferson might be old at 30:
…but is still pretty hefty for a guy who has seen his stats decline over the past few years, and is now 30 years old
The important part of this statement is that his stats have declined, I realize that. So is 30 the magic number? I am not being rhetorical and I know it is position specific. Would there be justified gripes with this trade if Parker was 30?
Good point
I should have been more clear. The point was given his decline and his age together, it is less likely that we would see his stats bounce back. Parker hasn’t experienced a similar decline.
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by Kfan in Korea on Jun 22, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
must see didn't kno he had that side to him
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Jun 22, 2011 11:51 AM PDT reply actions
Nice avatar.
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by AnotherStupidSN on Jun 22, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
We should think about what we would be asking of RJ
What would his role with this team be?
what scoring option would he be?
would he be ok with that?
would his price match the value? (This question is odd but you’re all smart figure it out)
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I'll try to answer.
1. Starting SF that’s a very good 3 point shooter
2. 2nd to 4th option depending on the lineup
3. Yes, because his role and PT should improve (or at least not diminish) in SAC, plus he’s getting paid a boatload
4. His value would have to be coupled with that of Parker’s, so I say yes, he’s worth it
But, this is just one man’s opinion. Make it happen GP!
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"$30 million is better than $39, but is still pretty hefty for a guy who has seen his stats decline over the past few years, and is now 30 years old."
PPG is NOT an indicator that a player is declining. The indicator is FG% and minutes played per game (Also, maybe, rebounds, if you’re playing front court… assists if you’re playing PG). His stats have remained fairly consistent recently (percentages actually went UP last year).
and considering he's not the number one option on the team
he can shoot at a high percentage rate. just don’t know if he can play good enough defense
Points, assists and PER have all declined in each of of his last three seasons.
It was a fair statement by G. You could argue that the decline is not as big as some think, but the statement is fair.
by Kfan in Korea on Jun 22, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Right
If you look his PER, every season, you notice that his PER spiked down right when he was traded to the Spurs. This is expected, because his usage dramatically dropped off playing on that team. Less possessions = less opportunities.
question
Who else would we be giving up for jefferson… or would he just be a salary dump?
by Loyalty2Royalty on Jun 22, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions
Smart money says Casspi and the 7th pick.
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Okay so over this past year the main shopping items have been...
We need a point guard who can run the offense…
We need a small forward who can defend, knock down the 3…
We need veteran leadership…
Tony Parker can no doubt run a pick and roll offense, and is much better than any option we can find in the draft or free agency this year. CHECK!
Richard Jefferson is considered the negative part of this trade, however lets look at his stats from last year in one of his “worst” years.
PPG: 11.0
APG: 1.3
RPG: 3.8
FG%: 47.1%
3P%: 44%
40%+ from the three doesn’t exist on this Kings roster, and Richard Jefferson has adjusted his game from his time with the Spurs to become an ultra-efficient perimeter threat that fits with the Kings starting lineup perfectly. He spreads the floor, and can play defense. CHECK!
Experience and leadership? Between these two guys, you have 6 finals appearances and a Finals MVP. CHECK!
I get were overpaying, but haven’t we stockpiled money to make ourselves a better team? Why don’t we take a chance and do it?
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People just seem to expect a superstar to be dealt in a salary cut before we make any moves to become a contender.
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I agree with you
that it all looks good.
—Just want to point out to those who dislike RJ now, his numbers are down in SA because he is the 4th scoring option on a team that DOES NOT SCORE, they play defense! While it may appear we are overpaying for him based on those stats, he could worth close to his contract price on the Kings.
Kings are in position of strength with league's lowest payroll
And this trade would not fully exploit that position of strength. Its really awful, actually.
Tony Parker is better at running a team than Tyreke and more efficient shooter, but far worse defensively. So there’s a tradeoff there. Both are dynamic and impossible to stop in open court with ball in their hands. Duplicating and overlapping strengths. Weigh the factor that Tyreke is entering his prime and Parker is exiting his, and how much do you really improve?
And you forego a chance at a star at #7, and take on a bad contract and inconsequential role player in RJ? Thats a terrible use of resources.
If Tyreke was clearly more effective off the ball, and could thrive as a SG/SF, I could see more rationale, but he needs the ball in his hands. So does Parker. It is not a perfect fit.
Consider this as alternative: The Hawks are looking for a taker for Josh Smith.
Hawks Assess Trade Interest in Smith
He’s 3 years younger than Tony Parker (29 vs. 26), fills a more pressing need for Kings, which is front court player who can create, handle score and defend from SF/PF position, something the Kings completely lack. Smith has a smaller contract than Parker. Signed 12.5 million next year and 13.2 million in 2012-13. Younger and cheaper, and brings complementary skill set, not overlapping.
I’d offer JT and Greene for Josh Smith rather than this speculated Spurs deal. (And then wait on their counter offer; they’d want Omri and/or #7, and negotiate from there.)
Adding a talent like Smith, balances the roster and adds complementary talent. And capitalizes on our position of strength to offer team cap relief and exploit team with disenchanted player. It gives the Kings flexibility to make other moves. This is the type of deal the Kings need to hold out for, and I think Petrie will.
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by bench_blob on Jun 22, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I stopped reading here
And you forego a chance at a star at #7
Is that possible? Sure, I suppose. But highly unlikely.
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by section214 on Jun 22, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
This is a good take, blob...
…and rec’d. Well argued.
I still prefer TP (+ Jefferson, I suppose), for a few reasons.
You mention that TP is better at running a team than Tyreke—this is no small matter in my mind. Tyreke may be better with the ball in his hands, but I’m not sure the rest of the team is—I think our offense gets better with TP as our point guard, and that Tyreke would still be able to take advantage of his strengths without always being the lead guard. (ironically, Casspi would be one of the players who would benefit the most from having a lead guard who was a better distributer)
Also, I think there would be ample opportunity for Tyreke to create some mismatches with other point guards in a three-guard rotation featuring Tyreke, TP, and MT; at least some of the time when Tyreke and MT are out there together, he would still be primary ball handler.
I agree that it’s tough to give up a potentially good player/contributer at a rock bottom price (ie, lottery pick), but I’m not convinced we’re getting a star at #7—certainly not anything nearly as proven at TP. The other guards we’re looking at here (Walker, Jimmer, Knight) need the ball in their hands, too, for what that’s worth.
As for Smith, I really do like him. He is a defender unlike anything we’ve got, and certainly a better defender that Jefferson. Jefferson, however, is the better shooter (not necessarily scorer, mind you, but in terms of spreading the floor…), and I’d say he’s a better fit on the offensive side of things. And while Smith is a superior wing defender, I wouldn’t say he’s a better post defender than JT—although I’ll admit I haven’t watched alot of Smith. I’m reluctant to give up JT without knowing what’s going on with Dalembert, too.
Still, good food for thought—I enjoyed your take, it was a good reminder that there is more than one way to get this thing done.
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That would be DMC and Smith? And I dont mean that in good way
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 22, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Good point.
The Kings are not a shining example of maturity and mental toughness.
Agreed...
That was another point I meant to bring up…the “intangibles” of the trade(s).
Parker and Jefferson could at least theoretically fill the “veteran/leadership” role on the team, which no doubt we could use more of.
Starting point guard on team that won three championships? Most guys, regardless of years in the league or individual accomplishment, will respect that.
Yup. And I think DMC made huge strides in maturity department
Dont want JSmooth mesing that up
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 22, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been with this
And this trade would not fully exploit that position of strength. Its really awful, actually.
Its taking huge salary for a guy in Parker who as you stated has a few redundant skills to Reke and he’s not the veteran presence people want to make him out to be. I’m not a big fan of Josh Smith either but he’s much better fit. If the Kings are going take on a big salary for a near All Star level player he better be a strong fit for the roster. It also helps Smith is at that prime age of 26 while Parker at 29 at least has a question mark attached. For a team in position of leverage the deal for Parker does not make sense.
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Good point about Tyreke being the best fit with another combo guard.
I’m finally coming to the same conclusion myself, and I do like the idea of two 6’5"/6’"6 guards in the backcourt. But IF the Kings could get Parker, I’d love to see that. I think Reke could adapt, and still have the ball in his hands enough to be effective.
I dont know if this has been brought up or not
but is it me or is this starting to shape up a lot like the last time there was a lockout a la 98/99? If this trade goes down it brings in a much needed positive veteran presence. In addition the kings still have some cap room to make some moves that could solidify the bench. And who knows with the possible new mix of veterans and up and comers the team starts to gel under westphal.
Then again this could be my wishful thinking.
Declining stats
I’m sure it’s been mentioned by someone out of the 600 comments relating to RJ and Tony. But I’ll say it anyway….
RJ’s game very well be just as solid as it always was, but San Antonio was the problem. He still shot the ball very well there, but his numbers were down. Thats probably because the Spurs DONT SCORE period. And if they do its by Duncan, Manu, or Parker. He was 4th offensive option on a defensive minded team. So of course you could expect some numbers to fall. He may not be worth 100% of his contract in SA, but maybe it could be closer in Sacramento??
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 22, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Reports were he was no longer effective as a main player which is why the Bucs got rid of him.
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maybe true, but you should probably ask yourself...
How well do the Bucks evaluate talent lately?
They’ve won 43% of their games since the 91-92 season (692/916), and only been out of the first round once over that span (the other 7 series they lost 24-12)!
Now you could say ‘well then he must really be bad if he was booted from the Bucks!’ Or you could say ‘do the Bucks have any fucking clue as to what they are doing lately?!?’ Idk about you, but I’ve seen some of their moves, FA signings, and assessment of draft talent, and I might choose the latter… I’m taking that report with a grain of salt.
Considering Jefferson is the poison pill being offered in the deal I’d say the Bucks talent evaluation was correct.
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by bignerd on Jun 22, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Bucks also traded for Maggette and Salmons
Jus sayin
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 22, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
You lost me at poison pill
I don’t follow what you are saying. You are telling me that because an article was written describing Jefferson as the poison pill offered in a deal, that means the Bucks evaluation was correct? Do I have that right?
So because an article was written referring to RJ as a poison pill, therefore HE IS in fact a poison pill? And because this article has a negative spin on RJ, and the Bucks had a negative spin on RJ, therefore the negative spin must be warranted??
I’m just trying to follow the logic train here. There are no stats involved in what you are saying, no questions asked about either article or who wrote it or what the context is, or how well the Bucks run their team. Just at the end of the day RJ = Non effective Poison pill.
Maybe I lost something in translation? Help me out
So you think the Spurs offering two top tier players for the #7 draft pick?
The fact Tony Parker bait is being used to entice a team into taking Jefferson isn’t in itself evidence that Jefferson aint worth the stink?
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Some people see the glass
Half full, some half empty. Some people see RJ a horrible player who has to be attached to TP just to move him. Other people see RJs efficient scoring and veteran experience and very good 3pt shooting and say “hey that is exactly what the kings have been looking for.”
The Spurs are clearly looking to gut their team. There’s no two ways about it. Timmy is breaking down and Manu’s 55 games a year won’t last much longer after timmy goes. So they are trying to get value out of their last two assets (TP and RJ), and they are looking for youth and cap space in return. They have no use for these two and their bigger contracts with beat up pieces around them so they are imploding the team before the team is all 35 years or older.
RJ isn’t worth $10million on the Spurs because of the way their team I set up. But he could be very close to that on the Kings because he offers a lot of things we need. You see him as being a throw in garbage player because his stats are down but that isn’t the entire story. That was a system that already had vets and three other scorers. He could be clutch for us in the locker room or hitting shots to close out games.
You hear that the Bucks got rid of him cuz he’s washed up. I hear the Bucks have been washed up for 20 years now, the stock pile SFs like the Wolves acquire PGs.
Don’t sweat it guys, this trade is pretty good and could be the best offer we see. Should we hold out until October waiting for something else? Or should we trade for these two who ONLY have 3 years on their deals (they’ll be off the books by the time we resign Cuz I think. So just go with it and let them help the Kings be relevant while we develop our youth.
by ivAAron on Jun 22, 2011 8:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
His shots also went way down; Jefferson only took 9.4 shots per 36 minutes (7.9 shots per game) last year, and 11.1 shots per 36 minutes (9.6 per game) in his first year with the Spurs. His career average is now 12.5 shots per 36 minutes (12.0 shots per game), but before he got to San Antonio he averaged 13.0 shots per 36 minutes (13.2 shots per game).
His career TS% is .567, and he put up .612 last year, which was near the top of the NBA (I can’t find a full list, but .617 was 5th in the league last year). His eFG% was .579 last year, which was 4th in the NBA. Basically, Jefferson is an efficient scorer.
Jefferson’s USG dropped to 15.4 last year and was 18.3 in his first year in San Antonio, but his career USG is 21.8 and was 23.1 before he got to San Antonio. Give the man the ball more than 15% of the time and he should put up solid numbers. Would you take close to 15/5 with great efficiency and decent defense from the 3 spot? Everyone who wanted to sign Tayshaun Prince should be thrilled with the possibility of Jefferson; he’s a better player and doesn’t cost a ton more than we’d have to pay Prince, and taking him would allow us to get Tony Parker for the 7th pick in a crappy draft and Omri Casspi. Win. Give me Jefferson.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jun 22, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Jefferson for this team
He’s adjusted to being the 4th cog on a defensive minded team and shows the qualities we want out of the small forward position. He plays defense, and knocks down threes at a better rate than anyone on this Kings team. If acquiring him is the worst part of getting Finals MVP Tony Parker, then count me in full force.
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RJ is trash.
I’m a Nets fan and I always thought the guy was super overrated even when he was averaging 20 points a game…
If he was a free agent, I wouldn’t offer him anything above the vets minimum, he is that bad. That contract is ridiculous, an absolute albatross.
Obviously he's not that bad. He started on a team that won 60 games.
League minimum? LOL…
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 22, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
True dat
His career TS% is .567, and he put up .612 last year, which was near the top of the NBA (I can’t find a full list, but .617 was 5th in the league last year). His eFG% was .579 last year, which was 4th in the NBA. Basically, Jefferson is an efficient scorer.
Efficient scorer, who shoots in the 40’s% from 3 lately, and can play a little defense doesn’t sound good at all. I don’t think the Kings could use a player like that or afford him. We have too much talent on this team and too high of a payroll! Sell, Sell, Sell!
Count me in...
I vote yes on this measure. My reasons being this:
1) Parker is a premier PG and folks have gone on long enough about the need for a true PG.
2) Jefferson is a SF who can stroke the three and folks have gone on long enough about the need for a veteran SF who can shoot the 3.
3) Both guys are seasoned veterans which is needed with such a young core yet still have years left in the tank as well. Hell Parker was a finals MVP I believe wasnt he?
4) Lastly if the negative of this deal is Parker’s salary then I would also look to the point that most believe that any new CBA will include an amnesty clause so if you dont like him you could use it at that point rather than on Garcia.
Now ideally it would be great that if we take on RJ we could shed Garcia’s deal or at the very least also get the 28th pick from them. But regardless I am all for a deal at this point. You have to get older at some point. I think having a bunch of young guys is fine for awhile but eventually you run out of minutes for all those young guys as typically it takes 4 or 5 years for these guys to hit their stride.
I don't want Tony Parker
and at 29 years old with a game relient on athleticism, I don’t know if he can contribute nearly as much into his 30’s. Richard Jefferson is even older and with 3 years and 30 million left on his deal gulp, I don’ want him. I don’t understand why they are rushing the rebuild. The Kings have a ton of money, all their picks, and 2 of the rising stars in the NBA. This deal makes the Kings a playoff team maybe if every starter is healthy for the duration of the season, but I prefer to wait one more to finish the rebuild with a pick in one of the deepest, most talented drafts ever. The Kings are so close and Parker and Jefferson don’t make them contenders so I’d wait and not sacrifice cap space, potential, and a first round pick because of impatience or wanting a star to attract fans.
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by JVinci on Jun 23, 2011 3:34 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One plus to the length of Jefferson's contract...
It expires right when we’ll start having to pay Tyreke and Cousins the big money as their rookie contracts expire. There will be that one awkward year, the first after ’Reke’s rookie contract, but after that we’re good to go.
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hmmmm, Omri Casspi, Donte Greene, Francisco Garcia and Kawhi Leonard/Jan Vesely
or Richard Jefferson?
Who is your choice as the Kings starting 3?
Let the Spurs wallow in their contracts.
They over-extended themselves. Let’s not bail them out. Now George Hill, Tiago Splitter, those type of players give me pause. But the 30 year old vets on 8 figure salaries PASS.
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