NBA Draft 2011: Sacramento Kings Select Jimmer Fredette With No. 10 Pick
by Tom Ziller on Jun 23, 2011 5:44 PM PDT
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The Sacramento Kings picked Jimmer Fredette of BYU with the No. 10 pick in the 2011 NBA Draft. Jimmer is ridiculously popular just about eveywhere, and figures to play in a three-guard rotation with Tyreke Evans and Marcus Thornton.
Both Brandon Knight and Kemba Walker lasted to the No. 7 pick, but went back-to-back at No. 8 (Detroit Pistons) and No. 9 (Charlotte Bobcats), leaving Jimmer to Sacramento. Knight ended a run of five straight international players running from No. 3 (Enes Kanter) to No. 7 (Bismack Biyombo).
Earlier on Thursday, the Kings traded their No. 7 pick to the Milwaukee Bucks along with Beno Udrih in exchange for No. 10 and good ol' John Salmons. Salmons is due $25 million over the next three seasons. Udrih was due $14 million over two years. The No. 10 is also typically less valuable than the No. 7 pick.
The Kings next pick at No. 35. That pick should come down around 7:30 Pacific.
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yofirst lol
Well time to show your stuff Jimmer…
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 23, 2011 5:33 PM PDT reply actions
Jimmer Fredette!
:D
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jun 23, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions
After today
Geoff Petrie has lost every ounce of my trust. Terrible trade and terrible pick.
FIRE PETRIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by drex783 on Jun 23, 2011 5:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
BTW
I had the utmost respect for Geoff before today. Considered him a top level GM. Now, I think I’d rather have KKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least he’s slightly entertaining
come on dude, stop being such a drama queen. is what it is. going into the draft the general concensus was that the KIngs needed a SF and PG. It was also generally accepted that the Kings needed a vet and not more youth. in a weak draft, getting a lights out shooter who, hopefully, can play the point and a decent vet at SF is not all that bad. it may not be the sexy pick, but its not all THAT bad. be dissappointed if you are, but it isn’t all that bad.
Comparing Kahn and Petrie is like comparing Divac and Darko.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Again
Kahn is entertaining to watch his epic fails. Petrie’s are just depressing.
I’m sad because this pick does not improve out team. Period. What Jimmer will do on offense is great and all (assuming his confidence won’t get shot when he realizes that scoring in the NBA is not at all like in college) he will undo on defense, where he hasn’t shown even the slightest hint of being even a decent defender.
For the record, I hope and pray I’m wrong. I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature “I was wrong about the Jimmer.” But I just don’t see him being any good at this level, especially because I think the main reason we traded down was to justify taking him in the draft. Because of him, we get John Salmons and his terrible contract and had to watch Brandon Knight slip past our original pick to the Pistons at #8.
And no, gaindeyouth, not a drama queen, just drunk after drinking quite a bit to cope with the depression that came along with today’s epic fail of a Draft Day.
Okay
I’m calling you on this. Shall we say the halfway point in the season? What avatar and sig line should I use if Jimmer stinks?
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Nah, let's go a whole season
And I’m not in the creative mood right now, so I’ll leave it up to you.
I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature "I was wrong about the Jimmer."
So you hated Bibby huh?
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
When he first got here, no
But at the end, I was hoping we’d trade him for about 2 years before we actually did for Sheldon Williams and cap space. Plus, Bibby was a Point Guard at Arizona. Fredette wasn’t at BYU and he still isn’t.
I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature "I was wrong about the Jimmer."
BYU - only team to make it to the NCAA Tourney without a PG.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 23, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmer was 5 times the player in college Bibby was
And Im and UofA fan. He isnt a savior, he isnt Cousins or Tyreke, be he is the safest pick in the draft in my opinion. I think your going overboard.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Which is why I would have talked with San Antonio about George Hill
I’d gladly select Leonard and send him to Texas for Hill. He’s a safer bet than Fredette or any other player available at that spot.
I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature "I was wrong about the Jimmer."
Whoa, whoa...
5 times the player Bibby was in college?!
I like Jimmer, and I’m cool with the selection (but irate over the trade), but Bibby willed his team to a national championship. You’d be wise to rethink your evaluation of Bibby’s college career.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Key phrase being "in college"
Bibby was the second pick in his draft. Jimmer is 5 times the college player and gets picked 10th in a bad draft. Bibby is 20% the college player and goes 2nd…
I agree
Even if its right. I came on earlier and almost smashed my comp after trade. Drama King. But we keep it at a higher level here. Its what separates us from the sacbee hooligans. BTW, where the hell is Pookey?
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmer can shoot
And he reminds me of Bibby with his change of pace, and he is much more athletic. Trust this is a good pick in a bad draft.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
how was it a terrible pick??
kemba and knight were both off the board.
I still think the salmons deal isn’t over
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 23, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You're chasing the dragon man.
I hope you’re right, but I haven’t the faith that you do anymore.
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"Put Kobe or Lebron in a wheelchair, and I can GUARANTEE Tyreke would demolish either. You might want to rethink what you just said." - MarcusC.
"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's Petrie being Petrie, like I said in that first thread. You have no idea what you're gonna get until you've got it.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
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im stoked
hes a perfect fit
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Meh
Had to be said. The Salmons trade has me in that kind of mood.
by betweentheeyes on Jun 23, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Love it!
Once again, Jerry knew exactly what he was talking about. This is the guy they wanted all along.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
I guess we found a mediator for next year,
while Salmons, Reke and DeMarcus fight over the ball…
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
by JuMowbray on Jun 23, 2011 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Terribad
Petrie, THIS IS WHY YOU DON’T COMMIT TO A TRADE BEFORE THE DRAFT.
Second time he made this mistake. The last time was when he traded down in the 2nd for Sergio Rodriguez when we could have sat there and taken DeJuan Blair.
Could have just stayed at #7 and taken Knight. He would have been an ideal fit for us, much better than Jimmer.
by TheRaven on Jun 23, 2011 5:49 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Knight may be better
But not for a few years. He slipped for a reason
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
100% agree shoulda sat our asses right where we were
by I HATE GRANT NAPEAR on Jun 23, 2011 6:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
But then we would've missed out on getting Salmons!
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
They were never going to take Blair
His knees had been run over by a forklift.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
And the Spurs didn't know this?
"I hate all sports as rabidly as a person who likes sports hates common sense."
-H.L. Mencken
3 year lifespan
Thinking was that was the lifespan of their vets and he’s BPA so pull the trigger.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Blame the contract and not the pick for that. They also brought in 3 other big men last year, two of which everyone knew were better than Brock.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
The same guys who lost their casino. Didn’t want to offer any guaranteed money to a 2nd round pick so they did a one year deal.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Wasn't your contention that they didn't pick him because of his knees?
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
Yes, I did
And you started crying Blair lasted longer than Brockman. I pointed out Brockman was lost because of a contract issue, not that he didn’t have talent to remain on the team.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Was there something factually incorrect with what I wrote?
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
No
But I’m trying to explain here Blair was passed for a medical reason. If fans want to blame someone in the Kings organization for passing on Blair than point the finger at the medical staff. Every league executive was squawking Blair might be a Top 5 talent but was taken off the board by medical staff. This was mentioned every half hour on the draft telecast.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Yep, I remember us hashing it out during the draft threads
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
I was horrified when i checked in and saw trade.
However our team is better now than it was this morning.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 5:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, who needs a point guard? NOT US, APPARENTLY
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by Mike Garza on Jun 23, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In my view he is a Bibby PG
And unlike most I think Tyreke can be a 1.5
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Tyreke had some excellent games starting alongside Thornton
He played behind the ball a lot more and fit more smoothly with the offense. Jimmer is similar in a lot of ways.
1 + 2 = 3
1.5 + 1.5 = 3
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However...
For most of Bibby’s tenure here we had four other guys on the court who were all willing and capable passers, which meant that Mike’s fairly low assist rate wasn’t a major concern because of the constant ball movement and diagonal cutting. These guys were terrible at doing any of those things last year, so bringing in another PG with a terrible shoot/assist ratio doesn’t sound like the best plan.
My only issue with Jimmer is the sheer blindness that way too many of us are portraying when it comes to his shortcomings. He’s not a bad player by any means, but people are making him out to be the “savior” of this franchise based on one good college season. Until he learns to play PG instead of combo guard, I think a lot of us are going to be disappointed with the way things went today.
but people are making him out to be the "savior" of this franchise
Nobody is doing that.
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jun 23, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that so?
I could understand you disagreeing with me if I specifically used your name, but seeing as you’re a regular here, I’m sure you’ve read what many people have been writing for the last few weeks.
Nobody here thinks he'll be better than Tyreke or DeMarcus,
so how could anybody think he’s the savior of the franchise?
"We're not talking about me and Darko in the same sentence." - Chris Webber vs KAHN!
by caseycheesecake on Jun 23, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Not at all, and "savior" was definitely the wrong word
Revitalize? He seems to be, in many minds, the “missing piece”, and someone who’s going to sell tickets and excite the fans again.
In NO WAY am I starting a religious argument here (last thing I want to do), but it’s fairly clear that a lot of this craze has to do with the fact that he shares the same faith with a lot of people in Sacramento. If he were Catholic or Protestant, I think the local “Jimmermania” would be a fraction of what it actually is. And again, that’s not a knock on Mormons.
Well he definitely helps.
A ball-handling PG who can drain any shot.
I fail to see a problem.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 23, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That's because you used the term "PG"
The jury is definitely out on that one.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
YOUR jury is out.
not THE jury (Geoff Petrie).
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Yes, glad you understand that the statements I make here are strictly my opinion
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
Icouldnt disagree more
Considering mormons are a small fraction of the population, who right or wrong are somewhat mocked by society as a whole, you think everyone is rooting for him because he is mormon? Id say a crazy offensive white boy is much more likely
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree with you
JWill brought the hype too. Similar situations IMO.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
I'd say a bit of both
It’s very rare that we “regular, everyday folk” can share something that personal with a star of any kind. Religion is an easy one, but my experiences with Mormons has taught me that they’re a helluva lot more close-knit than other “major” religious groups are in this country. When an entire community can find that one thing in common with someone in the spotlight like that, it’s going to speak volumes for their popularity. But I’m definitely not saying “only Mormons like Jimmer”. That would be ignorant on more than many levels.
At the same time, your “crazy offensive white boy” theory holds as much ground. People like rooting for underdogs, and ugly as it may sound, white players typically are viewed as the lesser talent in the NBA.
I think if you meet people in the middle about Jimmer
you’ll find a good balance. Ignore the ‘bust’ label, and ignore the ‘savior’ label, and you’ll find where a lot of people probably see Jimmer.
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Definitely
And by no means am I upset about the pick, as I believe he was the BPA at the time. But since we didn’t benefit from moving down a few spots, and the fact that two other coveted players would have been available, a lot of people are going to be gunning for him or have unfair expectations right off the bat.
To be honest
I think he was the target all along, and though I also don’t like the trade, I also don’t think the Kings would’ve gone Knight or Kemba, so in that sense it didnt hurt
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
I would think the answer is 'no'
Just a guess though
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Definitely not!
We all knew this draft would be far from easy to judge, but I don’t think anyone could have guessed that Knight and Walker would BOTH fall that far down.
I honestly don't think he would've taken him anyways
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by raiderking21 on Jun 23, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
True
But I throw out Tyreke Cousins and Thornton. I think we will be fine
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Only thing that would make me feel better would be if we traded up and selected Kawhi
But judging by how the day is going, I doubt it will happen…
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Leonard is nothing special.
He isnt even Donte.
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Goddamn I've missed most of this draft
Kings give trade Beno for John Salmon’s bad contract and we moved down in the draft. I’m especially furious because the Kings had Knight on the board and could have selected him. Jimmer better be the real deal because this really looks like a dumb move right now.
"You need to get real!"
Knight isnt gonna be a player for a few years.
If your a good team you can take him and develop him. We needed a player
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? What's our hurry? We're not going to the playoffs with the team we currently have. We could afford to wait.
Certainly didn’t need to take on Salmons’ contract in ANY event.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Further -
the reports were that we were in talks with SA for Parker and Jefferson, so ultimately, we ended up with Salmons and Fredette when we could have had Parker and Jefferson. Which of those two scenarios sounds more playoff bound to you? Hell, I would have even taken Knight / Walker straight up over taking on Salmons again. If he can fill the role of defensive stopper at the 3, maybe this works….
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reports are just that
REPORTS. Doesnt mean they are accurate. It also doesnt mean the Spurs actually offered TP and RJ. We dont know for sure if they had the opportunity at that trade. Sitting here and dwelling on what could have been is just a sunk cost.
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Again...
We don’t need Salmons. Why make that trade?
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Reports also said that the Spurs were after Jonas
who wasn’t available at #7, so that might have put an end to the Tony Parker trade talk right there.
I kinda wanted Jimmer
But the Salmons trade completely fucked my whole day up.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 23, 2011 5:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
All righty
I’m onboard with this. If Jimmer is who Petrie wanted, I’m down.
But the trade still sucks, and if he didn’t expect a guy like Knight to be at the #7, he probably deserves to be fired.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
I agree
It does improve us, but not in a way that sticks for long term unless Salmons has changed his game
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think they were sold on Knight
Jerry Reynolds is always my tell. He was on the Rise Guys a few days ago and he went out of his way to mention that he wasn’t even sure the Brandon Knight was a point guard. I’ll try and find the audio at KHTK, but the bottomline was he didn’t sound very high on Knight.
I couldn’t be happier. I wanted Jimmer anyways and they unloaded Beno and filled the SF hole to boot. now resign Thornton and Dalembert and we’ll be in great shape.
Thanks for the input, Grant.
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by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't help but feel like
We’re stuck with Jimmer just because the Maloofs flinched at Jefferson’s contract, and that infuriates me.
As far as Jimmer goes, I mean he’s the tenth pick in a terrible draft. We could have gotten worse value.
But still. Parker.
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If the Maloofs would take Salmons they’d probably have taken Jefferson. Not a huge difference in their contracts.
That's a good point
Now I’m just confused. Did the Spurs get cold feet?
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I get the feeling
Kings wanted SA to take either Cisco or Beno and SA didn’t bite
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by raiderking21 on Jun 23, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I am almost certain...
.. this was the case.
by henryclemente on Jun 23, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Spurs were just gauging interest
In Tony Parker. I dont think they ever intended on executing the deal.
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What's the point of gauging interest if you don't move the guy?
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"I never read those trade threads. They seem to be mainly populated with the sports equivalent of people who think the Rapture is imminent." - andy sims.
by PhutureKings on Jun 23, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
To see if you could get the value you want for the player
And if not, then go to the next option
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by raiderking21 on Jun 24, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I really wanted Jimmer
But the Salmons trade kinda ruined this day for me…I’m going to try to remain positive and say it makes us a better defensively and thus a better team but..sigh.
by Josh L on Jun 23, 2011 5:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
has to be another move
There are way too many SFs on the roster right now for this to be it, unless Donte is a PF next year lol
Of course I do think his best spot would be as a stretch 4…
by chri5 on Jun 23, 2011 5:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Am I the only one that thinks
Beno is better than Jimmer? Rather have beno and Burks or leonard or singleton then Jimmer and Salmons.
by 13uppercut on Jun 23, 2011 6:00 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Why would Beno be better?
Fredette is a better shooter and while Jimmer is an unknown at passing and defense, we know Beno is not particularly good at either.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Jimmer is only an unknown on defense
because he never played defense!
Actually he played defense head to head with Walker
And owned him from most reports.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Perhaps Walker isn't going to be a quality NBA point guard?
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
Could be
I just have a hard time assuming he can be a good defender or point guard in the NBA because of his workouts. I think his body of work in college holds more weight than pre-draft workouts.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
yeah don't blame you
I just think Knight had about just as many questions (although to be honest, I would have bet on the youth)
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Knight may be very a very similar player to Thorton...
…and that really doesn’t solve many of our issues.
Perhaps Walker wont be anything
Just my opinion
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmer shot .452 Beno shot .50.
Highlights show made shots not the 55% he missed. If he shoots from 5 feet past (rise and fire!) the line in the NBA he’ll get benched.
Beno shot 50% exactly one season
He came into the league shooting 44% and has a career shooting percent of 46%. And that was without him being the soul focus of the defense. Here’s what you need to remember. The Kings traded Beno. They drafted Jimmer.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Beno would be awesome if he shot 50
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Comparing Beno and Jimmer is futile
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because Beno is a vet
And Jimmer is a rookie. I’d hope Beno was better
by HeuristicLineup on Jun 23, 2011 6:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes and no
I wanted Knight, and am far from taking part in “Jimmermania”, but I do believe that he was not only the best player available, but will be a better player than Beno within a year or so.
After his near 180 last season, we all put a lot of faith in him that, previously, was about as likely as finding the real Yeti. Beno’s confidence went up quite a bit, too, but in all reality he’s still not a starting caliber player in this league, and if Fredette’s defense is only a fraction better to begin with he’ll look like an NBA All_defensive Player by comparison.
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That’s my great concern. Is he ever happy? The locker-room needs insprirational leadership. Maybe Jimmer has a bit of that in him.
I think almost no one here realizes that Beno is one of the worst defenders in the league. Remember the Yeti!
We have a better team now. We don’t have a gap at PG nor at SF.
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
Look at it this way people
WE CAN DO THIS ALL AGAIN NEXT YEAR!! WOO-HOO! Maybe next year we can trade the 10th pick for for the #15 & Gilbert Arenas! Or maybe we can trade the 10, Tyreke, & DMC for Brandon Roy & Greg Oden!
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 23, 2011 6:01 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
We'll get one of
Barnes, Jones, Quincy Miller, Sullinger, Davis or McAdoo next year.
"And Solskjaer has won it!"
by 'tough as nails' spence on Jun 23, 2011 6:01 PM PDT reply actions
I really don't want to be in the lottery, maybe demarcus and tyreke will improve
and jimmer can come in and shoot 40% from 3 and we will be winning more games than you think.
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
if being in the lottery next year
is gonna be better in the long term, i would not mind another year of no play-offs. But what I do want is personal and collective growth for our team.
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by 'tough as nails' spence on Jun 23, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't mind either, but we've all been saying that for the last several seasons
By no means do I think that grabbing Parker would guarantee a playoff spot next season. But, it would’ve shown some signs of the organization making good on their word (as this summer we were expected to make some moves and play with the cap space).
Instead, money scared Kings brass away and we ended up with a player who will do no good for the long term benefit of our team in Salmons, and made what was likely the most pointless swap in Petrie’s tenure so far in the process. We mightbe better team on paper, but it likely won’t translate to more than a few more wins and Salmons offers no “veteran presence” that will aid our young guys at all. This is the same guy who flaked out on a verbal agreement to play in Phoenix because “God personally told him to go to Philly”.
I’m sorry to rant, but I’m getting a bit tired of “next year” coming up yet again, especially when we had the opportunity a mere few hours ago to start heading in the right direction.
The Jimmer pick doesn't bother me
His shooting will translate to the NBA level and its hard to say that anyone else available at 7 or 10 had a skill like that. The trade however makes 0 sense.
He isnt that great
I mean he is smaller than donte, not the offensive player donte was in college, and donte is currently a better defender. So would u wanna draft Donte light with a lottery pick?
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade?
What trade? I’m going to be happy we got Fredette and convince myself the trade never happened.
It comes down to reality
And it's fine with me 'cause I've let it slide
Now we HAVE TO resign Sammy
and we can seriously fight for the playoffs.
Bleeding Black and Purple 6710 miles South East of Sacramento.
No we don't
we can let him go and sign Marc Gasol, then we can really seriously fight for the playoffs.
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
If we did that I would probably poop my pants.
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Seriously fight for the playoffs? Lmao!
Parker & Jefferson makes us a playoff team. Jimmer & Salmons? Yeah f*ckin right.
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 23, 2011 6:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Gasol was a beast in the post season
But his regular season numbers aren’t very impressive are they? Is he really a franchise center?
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by allbenji's on Jun 23, 2011 6:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure
How many great centers are there. He definitely has all star potential in a weak position. We aren’t signing him though.
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that is why I think we should give him the new max.
I think he is that good.
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
We would have to give max to Gasol to get him
An all-star caliber center is rare, and he does things that DeMarcus doesn’t and would be a great compliment to this team.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I know PER is not the end-all, be-all
But a 16.88 in that category last season doesn’t scream “Max contract” to me.
That’s 15th among NBA centers. 18th in True Shooting %. 41st in Rebounding Rate.
This is a max guy? Really?
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I would agree
But I don’t think that it will take the max. It will take more than the 5/$60m that Horford and Noah got, so there would be some overpaying. But 5/$75 probably prices out Memphis, or something like that.
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My God, thank you
It’s insane how anyone can think Parker and Co. wouldn’t make us better right off the bat, but retaining Sammy and bringing on a below average player with a shit attitude and rookie with as many questions as upside will lead us to the postseason. It doesn’t make a lick of sense, no matter how much one believes in Freddette, and no matter how nice we try to be about Salmons.
Gonna miss Beno
If we can get Norris Cole at 35 that’ll cheer me up
Agreed, I will also miss Beno,
And Ron Artest.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
I do not miss Ron Artest, at all, ever.
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant his name, not the man.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
He's no longer Ron Artest. His name is " World Peace" now
by Reke_Havoc13 on Jun 23, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
would buy jersey if he weren't on the Fakers
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Agreed
His defense might have been a sieve but he usually made good decisions with the ball and he could get his own shot. Guys like that don’t grow on trees. Plus, he seemed like a good guy.
True
I kinda pictured him as a part of our team going forward. Was on of our vets too
It certainly leaves a hole on our roster that I don't think Jimmer fills
Beno was our best decision maker with a ball. Garcia probably holds that title now, provided he stays healthy. I don’t even know who #3 is.
Yeah Benos decision was usually shoot it.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
Based on his FG%
That was usually correct.
by Deleran on Jun 23, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Says San Antonio is trying to get Leonard....
"Tito Santana is like a cue-ball. The more you strike him, the more english you get out of him." -- Bobby Heenan
Looks like San Anton is getting Leonard for Hill
that’s probably their preferred trade. They’re keeping TP obviously
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Hmmm I don't think this is over...
Salmons bad contract is obviously the Upgrade at SF. I don’t think Kings wanted to get rid of Salmons….he was the sweetner to unload Brad Millers bad contract at the time (when they were saving $$$). Salmons can score and defend….just he winds the clock down and hogs ball too….hmmm…
Beno has been our most consistent player for the past 2 seasons….giving up Beno, maybe there is another trade on the block for a PG, since PG seems to be a reeeeeeeal weakness now, unless Kings think Jimmer can play the spot???
I don’t know, but Kings have a reliable player at SF now, just need a quality PG now I’m thinking…
At the beginning of the day I was sad
about the whole Beno / 7-pick trade. But at the moment, I’m pretty excited about the way our lineup looks. I have been high on Jimmer since I saw his pre draft workout. I like his story. Plus he is very personable and well spoken. A+ day as far as Im concerned!
He had a horrible season last season.
We don’t want him to score or need him to score, I hope he discontinues his blackholishness.
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm gonna miss Beno and the
YYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTIIIIIIIIII.
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by DaT3rmin8r on Jun 23, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Washington is just filled to the rim with athletic freaks now.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Yep.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Terrible.. I don't want Salmons back.
Salmons is a ball hog, and we already have one in Evans.
If you look at the positives,
He helps give a veteran presence to the Kings.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Otherwise, yeah he is a ball hog.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Salmons is like the Anti-Veteran
Veteran in age only. All the other expected intangible are non-existent.
by CrimeD on Jun 23, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
PeeeTreeee grab a gun and fire yourself!
Lets be positive but not stupid fan-Brandon & Kimba HELLO on clock @ ‘7’…!
Peetreee is still smoking Dobbie Dobbie do you love me…!
what happend to the jimmer messiah gif
free special ed.
I hate the trade, like the pick
I was going to buy season tickets if we drafted Jimmer and took a player in the FA, but I don’t know if I want to pay a thousand dollars minimum to watch John Salmons play keep away from his teammates.
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by Schneezel on Jun 23, 2011 6:28 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Jimmer is a great pick up
Just hope we can unload Salmons too!
"Let's put this negatizm behind us!" - Joe Maloof
This will make the draft worth it.
If we can unload Salmons and Dalembert in a S&T for a starting center, I will forgive Petrie.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
by Schneezel on Jun 23, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great idea
Marc Gasol anyone?
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
I could definitely see Kawhi doing well in San Antonio.
And likewise for Hill in Indiana.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
That basically killed all hope of a Parker swap.
Looks like we’ll be enjoying Salmons for awhile.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
No not really.
Well, nothing good really.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Petrie turned into Kahn, and Kahn now looks like Petrie.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Only read one comment in another thread so far since the draft but ...
people do remember Jerry not sounding too excited about Brandon Knight on the Cowbell Kingdom postcast right?
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, we're mostly bummed about the Salmons trade.
Jimmer was kind of predictable at the 10 and we could’ve had anyone on our shopping list at 7.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Jimmer is probably going to help us in many things
like selling tickets.
"Keep a positive outlook, even when things are looking bleak. Remember, nothing is impossible."
Small-market crowds > Large-market crowds
David Stern and Associates - Bailing out the Lakers from 1984 to 2011.
Question: Which is greater
The tickets that new fans of the Kings sells by picking Jimmer Fredette or the fans that walk away in disugust about re acquiring John Salmons as your “big veteran acquiation as the 3”?
Answer:. 2% . Maloof S&E still has it!
by betweentheeyes on Jun 23, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gonna be hard to get over the horrible trade
But we are better right now than we were yesterday IMO. Probably not as good as we could have been though.
There’s no way to ignore direct comparisons between Kemba, Knight and Fredette down the road. It’s going to be pretty hard to defend Petrie if either of those guys becomes a force in the league and Jimmer’s just adequate.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
In other words
I think I can get excited about this team as is come the start of the season. But I’ll have to block “what could have been” from my mind.
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by otis29 on Jun 23, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No money has been spent yet either
Keep that in mind
"Children want what they want when they want it." ... Andy Sims
Yea
He did score 12 points, get 12 rebounds, and block 10 shots against high schoolers. Wonder how that translates to pros
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Jimmer
I like the whole thing. Last year, the King’s couldn’t score the ball outside of 20 feet unless Cisco was in the game or Beno was on fire. To create room for Cousins in the post, and Tyreke heading for the post, you’ve got to shoot it from deep…like uh, every good team in the NBA. I believe Jimmer was picked because he pairs beautifully with Tyreke. Tyreke will be the 1 on offense (like he needs to be) and guard the 2 on defense, because he can. Sure, there will be nights when Jimmer will struggle to guard the opponent’s point guard. But there will be many more nights where we’ll now have three deep shooters on the court. Love Salmons or hate him, he can’t pound the ball if Tyreke doesn’t give it to him and he’ll be, at best and as he should be, the fourth option on offense. He can also guard 2’s and 3’s…We got better at two positions. We got better from the 3-point line and we still have a ton of money to spend in FA…All good from way up here in Boise!
by Crowny on Jun 23, 2011 6:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agree with you POV
Hard not to think about how we could have potentially gotten George Hill for Kawhi, or so many other potential scenarios that ultimately played out though. Very difficult at this point to justify the Salmons move….
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
Brad Miller was just traded to Minnesota for Jonny Flynn.
Best of luck Brad….
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There was more to it
Motiejunas, Flynn for Miller, #23 and future 1st
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Who should we target in the 2nd?
I like JaJuan Johnson or maybe Jon Leuer. I think we need to go PF.
Not Happy
We basically got two 2-guards. Salmons is a 2, Jimmer is a scoring 1, essentially a 2. We needed a PG to run the offense and a floor leader and/or a SF. We did not get that. We hoped for veteren leadership. Didn’t get that either. So whose our starting PG again?
Now I hate Salmons on offense
But outside Iggy he is one of better defensive 3’s in league
Can't wait for October
by KingsFanInPortland on Jun 23, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I Guess
I like the defense of Salmons and Reke too.
I think we gave Jimmer the keys on that one.
I think that we’re going to end up having Marcus off the bench… Not necessarily the best decision, but its a likely one.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Morey is a good GM
Would’ve ranked him with Petrie… But…
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Petrie has not made a plus move in a long time.
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Morey is better now IMO.
If this is it, I know Petrie has had a pretty good track record but this was just Kahn-esque. Not even Kahn would be stupid enough to make this trade by itself.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
definitely not today, IMO
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
I feel jimmer is going to have alot of turnovers next year
by Ultrakingsfan on Jun 23, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like the Kings are going to have a lot of turnovers next year.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
There goes any indication of a Ray Felton trade.
Andre Miller for Ray Felton.
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Wow, well better them than us but Felton feels like a great deal now...
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
I'd take Andre Miller
Over John Salmons
I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature "I was wrong about the Jimmer."
Miller has been solid for years.
He also has family in Sac. Underated in my mind. Good post PG.
he does?
Thought his family was all down in the LA area
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I used to coach youngsters
in a league where Miller’s cousin was a ref. Looked just like him only bald, had a nice jumper…
...Watching DeMarcus Cousins’ transformation from large human to immortal kill beast...
He has family in EDH and
Natomas. He bought a couple of houses for family on my old street about 6 years ago when he was with Denver. Met him once. Seem like a good dude.
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Denver may be one of my favourite teams to watch now.
I love Faried, and to add him to that lineup of Lawson, Gallo, Nene, etc. it’ll work great. Will be really fun to watch (maybe not against us though).
"That might've been a little push, but that was a major flop. That would make Vlade Divac very proud." - Jerry Reynolds
Just how bad will the ball movement be next year?
Jimmer is a shoot-first, no denying it.
Tyreke is a shoot-first, no shit.
Salmons is a black-hole of suckiness.
Cousins is a capable passer, but if he doesn’t remedy his TO rate…
Dalembert might not even be back…
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
by Schneezel on Jun 23, 2011 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
They'll be fighting to take the ball up the court for sure.
“you take it out, no you take it out.”
If Cowboyron takes over maybe...
How many hot hands can you rise?
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Hey, he wanted someone who could pass the ball like Vlade Divac
Brad Miller is closer than Darko
by betweentheeyes on Jun 23, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Miller and Darko. Now that's a dangerous duo.
I screwed up. There is no other way to say it... - Ailene Voisin
I was happy
to see Salmon’s leave the first time. Reconciliation typically never works. Did he become a great passer when I wasn’t paying attention? Jimmer was there at 7 without taking on unwanted baggage. This locker room will be absolutely radiant with Salmon’s back. Maybe Jimmer is all that?
If we wanna see Jimmer play
He should earn it. Tyreke took Kevin Martin’s spot. If Jimmer is better than Beno he could do the same
I love beating dead horses.
by allbenji's on Jun 23, 2011 6:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't really like Salmons but...
if you want Jimmer to play, there has to be a spot. Beno had to go. Since when was everyone so in love w/Beno anyway?
I think Beno has been pretty well respected around these parts for a while.
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Ever since I saw that thread about him being such a great guy I wanted him for our long term plans
I cant’ remember who posted it but it got like a million rec’s.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
He'd have more assists
if people made shots. Not his fault.
And just because you need to clear space for Jimmer
Doesn’t mean you have to make a dumb trade with Beno.
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Give Udrih away then
It’s not the Beno love, it’s the dislike for Salmons’ contract, and to an extent, his game.
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it's his game, the contract just makes it burn more
by betweentheeyes on Jun 23, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the truth.
Though for me it is his offensive game without any check. He can’t be given permission to be ball dominant or it kills the offense. His defense, on the other hand, is actually good and that is probably why they got him… Still don’t like this much though. Beno was the most consistent King last year and probably the year before.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
Who would be easier to move Beno with 2yr/$14M or Salmon 4yr/$25M?
the better question is could we have gotten Battier or AK47 or some other FA SF to sign a 3 yr $24M contract like Salmon’s?
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Reggie Jackson to OKC?
Does this mean the Master of the Universe is available?
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Spurs apparently had a trade set up with Indiana
They’re getting Kawhi Leonard for George Hill.
I’ll be the happiest person in the world if he turns out to be a good player on this level. Hell, I’ll even change my avatar to a pic of the Jimmer and make my signature "I was wrong about the Jimmer."
Indiana made a good deal.
SF is a filled up position over there, and George Hill is an excellent SG/PG off the bench.
Look for them to make the playoffs this year.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
they made the playoffs last year.
with out this deal they were going to make the playoffs, this only gives them a chance to win a series.
by cowbell4life on Jun 23, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Derp wow forgot about that
Pretty sure the Salmons trade has overloaded mental capacity.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
Would have been fine with this at 7.
But then Brandon Knight fell to 7. And we traded the 7 for the 10 and John Fucking Salmons.
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by Aykis16 on Jun 23, 2011 7:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
so instead of knight and beno, we get jimmer and salmons. don’t think my brain can even fathom this.
by cowbell4life on Jun 23, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the kicker of all this.
Every option that we’ve debated was available to us, and then we added 11 million in salary for no reason.
"Rarely is the questioned asked: Is our children learning?"
my reaction
……………………….(at least ron artest changed his name)((step two deny it was him in the brawl.))
Interesting to hear what Sacramento thought of Brandon Knight? Did they make the trade thinking he won’t be available or was Jimmer their man?
I don’t understand all the Salmons hate. He had a decent showing the first time he was a King. Also given the teams price range, he’s the best hope at SF next season. He can score which has kept Casspi and Donte on the bench. He can play defense at times. Yes, he has issues hogging the ball on offense at times but that can be worked with.
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Am I the only one who thinks...
… drafting Jimmer might hurt our chances of re-signing Thornton? Someone else is going to offer Marcus a deal, he’s a legit scorer at this level and there will be a team that feels like he’s The Piece to plug into their 2 spot. So if the money is close, wouldn’t Thornton rather go where he would know he’s starting? The other thing is that I don’t think Jimmer handles the ball well enough to play a lot of the 1. We shall see, but I don’t think he’s starter material for at least a few years. After that who knows, maybe he’s just in the mold of Bobby Jackson/Ben Gordon/JR Smith type of gunner off the bench. Did the Kings really just use a lottery pick on a backup guard?
I think it's a non-factor
Udrih’s out, Fredette’s in. Net-net, still a 3-guard rotation.
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I'm warming to the trade
Salmons can play good D and is adequate shooting the three. This will be his role and I think he is a smart enough guy at this point in his career that he’ll be fine. Jimmer was also the guy I wanted to draft. I just haven’t changed my avatar yet. I think we need to pick up a veteran big because it sounds like we won’t be able to keep Sammy.
If Salmons can get drop his "me-first" attitude and ballhoggy ways
and become a Bowen-style corner 3-point shooter and man defender, it works. If Salmons is what he was when we had him previously, it’s an incredibly stupid addition.
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by CaliforniaJag on Jun 23, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 24, 2011 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Geez, haters are out...
All the in Petrie we trust talk, now it’s all fire him, how terrible he is etc….
How about we see how it plays out first, just in case all you fickle supports end up putting your own foot in your mouths.
Judge it when we see it in action!
Petrie doesn't have a lot of cred right now IMO
The franchise is in a pretty sorrowful state.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
27 years of rooting for this team,
and me not liking this trade makes me fickle?
I still remember Salmons from the last time around. I was not enthused to watch him ply his craft. And that was when he was fair value and not a bloated contract to boot.
Fickle? No. Disappointed? You bet.
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The bright side?
Francisco Garcia is no longer our worst contract.
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Relax..
I wasn’t mentioning anyone in particular,
But one minute everyone is ’In Petrie We Trust" Then the next…oh how terrible he is, he needs to be fired etc…
This without seeing if there are any more trades, or without seeing the team play together yet.
I didn’t mind Salmons. I was actually a bit disappointed to see him go. I see his strengths and his weaknesses, but perhaps it was more because he can play defense and hit a 3? Or for whatever reason, the team decided that was the move. I’m willing to see him have another go. Same with Jimmer and whoever else comes down.
I mean you have the right to be disappointed, and express your opinion as much as me, as does everyone else, but everyone is quick to pull the trigger without seeing the final product.
I mean If we did end up in playoffs next year, then would it be a bad trade? If we get worse than sure, hate all you want…
Basically I’m saying, lets see how it plays off….kind of reminds me the Reke instead of Rubio pick how everyone was upset on this day 2 years ago….
He got screwed on the trade, no ifs, ands or buts about it
And he did it to help facilitate a nice deal for two other teams. Great for them, not so much for us.
How about you keep the #7 and make a straight up trade of Beno for Salmons? Or another average small forward in the league? That’s $11 million back in your pocket for other things.
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
How about you keep the #7 and make a straight up trade of Beno for Salmons?
There is a good chance this is the exact same thing.
by wallywagon11 on Jun 23, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, this isn't about the pick
It’s about the way everything went down today, and the fact that he failed at what we can almost always depend him to do the correct way. Jimmer will likely work out fine, but our options could’ve been tripled and we wouldn’t be adding 11 Million dollars onto salary for a player that’s not worth anything near that.
We all trust Geoff because of the things he used to do so well, but outside of the Thornton trade (which can be argued as good or bad, I prefer the former) he’s done nothing to improve this squad outside of the draft in several years. The Parker issue adds to it, as does the fact that we’re all sitting around watching point guards get traded as we type, yet our only true point guard is Pooh Jeter. I, along with many others here, have been waiting for the “other foot to drop” with this trade, and now not only does it look like it won’t happen, but to add insult we get to sit back and watch several other teams make trades that make some sort of sense. Christ, we can’t even go for Felton at this point.
Lol.
“In Petrie we trust” if he drafts Jimmer.
Once he drafts Jimmer, “DIE PETRIE!”
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 23, 2011 7:29 PM PDT reply actions
Only because could've drafted Jimmer at 7 and not acquired John Salmons in the process.
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def. losers in this draft
still hard to believe we gave up on Knight…. for JOHN SALMONS just terrible IMO
a crapshoot
is what this draft is…. much more so than the last few I’ve seen. Personally I liked Biyombo, and I think he could have helped us as much as any player available in our slot. And I was also pretty excited about K. Leonard’s potential.
I’ also liked Kemba, at least until some very sensible analysis I head a few days ago lowered my interest in him considerably.
But really, all of these dudes, plus about 7 or 8 other players I can think of, were all bunched in there together as far as I could tell, and would have worth taking a flyer on.
I guess I just don’t feel qualified to get all worked up or indignant because we got Fredette instead of another X factor, someone who has quite a few question marks to go along with the upside.
I admit I haven’t been real big on Jimmer all spring, but I started coming around on the kid in the past week or so.
When you can shoot like that, there’s gonna be a place for you in pro basketball. So he’s definitely got an NBA-level skill that we need; and when you see him talk you realize that he’s someone who has worked with total dedication and ferocious intensity at every level he’s played at.
That counts for a lot in pro sports. Maybe he can’t become a much better one-on-one defender (though I bet he’s gonna bust ass trying) but I think he’s got a good chance at becoming a pretty solid player in terms of team defense.
I didn’t buy into all the post-NCAA hype, but there’s no doubt he’s a smart and unusually impressive kid, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he hustles his way into becoming real, real good.
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I'm not sure I hate this trade...
…If you really like Jimmer (and apparently GP and Jerry did), then you want to plug him into a situation in which he can develop, so Beno becomes superfluous or worse.
So Beno no longer has any value to the team. He is worth only his trade value at that point.
We badly need veteran savvy on the defensive end, and a guy who can play the 3 and give us what we need, tough defense. Salmons is a very good defender.
So we traded a guy with zip value to the team for a guy who fills a real need. Yes, for a little more money, but you spend more money when you want to get better.
And we still have a lot more to do something else.
Salmons is also much better than Casspi or Greene on the offensive end. So we get a lot better.
I hated how he pounded the rock, and I don’t expect he’ll change his habits. I also worry that he’ll be a downer in the locker room. But there is no question that this trade makes us better.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I guess my thinking is that to truly evaluate the trade you have to look at it as something we did
after selecting Jimmer, and in light of adding Jimmer, once Beno became excess baggage.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I'm confident that is the thinking
Also it gets cheaper to extend Jimmer’s rookie contract each season so the team makes a little money back.
sd377 wants to ban me for unleashing the Kaepernick Supernova Gamma Ray
Excessive Baggage with a 2 yr contract which would be easier to move than Salmon.
And, if John Salmon is the best SF that GP could work out a deal for, I think he’s not much of a horse trader.
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Look at it this way.
The Kings really didn’t take on much extra salary this coming year. The main value they needed as they have played the game in the past is defense at the SF. All the SF needs to really do is be a good defender within what we have seen from the PW offense.
I am more than a bit concerned though because one of the reasons they let Beno go was because his defense, or lack of, was considered a liability. But Jimmer is not a great defender either. Also, Beno could carry the offense and run the point. He was developing into a better passer at the end of the year and there is no guarantee Jimmer can do that. Especially right off the bat.
I am more than a bit confused at where they are going if they don’t have somebody who can pass at the point to carry the load. The turnovers have been blamed on not having a better passer or more of a veteran PG and I am just wondering how it gets better… Cause Salmons ain’t going to be passing much.
I am still hoping to see talent upgrades that change the way that PW runs the game. His use of isolation plays and lack of ball movement have been blamed on a lack of talent, but adding Salmons and losing Beno does not improve the passing game or ball movement IMO…..
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
And, my wife doesn't sweat much for a fat woman.
I’m not sure if your trying to show me the glass half view of the deal, or trying to make me hate it more.
I’ve been saying we needed to add a pass first PG who defends since before last years free agency. So, I’m really pissed that we ended up with a 3 guard rotation of shooters. And, to trade away Beno before Jimmers has even shown that he can be as good at both ends as Beno is just to upgrade the SF from Cisco to Salmons shows a total lack of forward thinking on the part of the FO.
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The greatest impact player in NBA History - Tim Donaghy
Well, if there is one thing that I now know for sure -
And, my wife doesn’t sweat much for a fat woman.
It’s that your wife is not actively on line at StR.
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total lack of forward thinking...that part's hard for me to swallow
the FO must keep Beno around as a fourth guard until Jimminy proves he’s better? that’s a bit constraining
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
It does improve the SF position
Mostly defensively and we will see what role Salmons plays offensively. As long as he isn’t the #1 offensive option on the team he may be OK. I have my concerns about ball movement and fear we won’t see that improve. So, like all things there are pros and cons.
I don’t see the $ being a big issue because it is just one more year of salary equivalent to Beno and makes little impact in the cap each year. Kind of a zero sum move and good thing cause it isn’t a huge upgrade in talent. More of an equivalent swap.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
We won't know if it hurts capwise until we get to that third year
But right now, yeah it doesn’t impact the franchise negatively.
My questions are simple – could Petrie have gotten better value for Beno (for a better player than Salmons) or signed a decent SF for less than Salmons is being paid. And, will Brandon Knight turn into a better player than Jimmer Fredette?
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
I have those same questions
And did GP think Knight would be off the board and is that the only reason he pulled the trigger on the trade. Seems like he had to have been OK with either Knight, Walker, or Fredette to trade picks, but he may have liked one of the others better. I think he was surprised by who was still available at #7.
I think he could have got a better player at SF in FA, but it could have cost more and they would still have to move somebody. Seems like they are focusing on other positions which means Sammy may not be here much longer or that they have a PG in mind.
I didn't major in Common F-cking Sense, but ...
I agree with you
I think this is actually an ok move for the Kings. People say we picked up an extra 11 million but that is only because of the extra year on Salmons contract. We all know that players with expiring contracts have trade value so there is a chance we don’t even have Salmons the last year.
Salmons > all of our small forwards
Jimmer > Beno
After all is said I think our team got considerably better but we will not know for sure until we see them play.
by Passive Sloth on Jun 23, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I reluctantly agree.
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by caseycheesecake on Jun 23, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I hate it
I just don’t understand why we needed to make this deal.
Where are all the “Jefferson and Parker are way too old” commentors on this trade for the 31 year old Salmons.
I don’t know if that trade ever was possible, but the idea that we gave up three spots for a defensively capable ball dominating 3 is depressing. Especially when Knight was on the board.
I was one of those guys saying “trust GP” “Sure he hasn’t traded well every time, but the draft is where he shines”
Now he’s screwed me and I am less excited right now than I have been in a long time.
If Jimmer isn’t significantly better than a guy like JJ Redick this is a total failure.
I think things are different this time with Salmons
Salmons is not the number 1, 2, or 3 offensive option on this team. He is a veteran and knows that. I think he will adapt his game to what this team is like. I am mostly excited about having a good SF defender. He is going to really help us on the defensive end.
We will not know about Jimmer until he plays. But I do not think JJ Redick is a good comparison because he is a spot shooter. Jimmer creates his shots and is much more athletic. If you just looked at the two during the college years you will see a VERY big difference in their style of play.
by Passive Sloth on Jun 23, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
could Jimmer pan out like a pre-injury Michael Redd except with MASSIVE fan appeal?
that wouldn’t be horrible.
Life is every mammal's journey from very very wet to very very dry.
I agree about JJ
I don’t think JJ is a bust by any means, but if Jimmer isn’t significantly better this is a disaster.
I just don’t get taking on a more expensive, longer term deal for Salmons AND move DOWN three spots.
If we wanted Jimmer, then just fucking pick Jimmer at 7. Are you telling me you couldn’t have unloaded Beno to ANYONE?
We could have gotten a strong defensive minded 3, hell….Donte Green is a strong defender and poor shooter. Except he isn’t the “where assists go to die” Salmons…
I just think this was a lame move and bringing Salmons back is not exciting at all.
Players in the last year of their contract have trade value
Like Kenny Thomas?
"Grant is a genius." - section214 - 5/17/11
Here's the thing...
We needed a veteran 3 that can shoot the three, move without the ball, and play D. Salmons can play D. He doesn’t shoot particularly well from outside, and he definitely doesn’t move well without the ball, and he’s got one of those bloated long term contracts, the type of contract that we had just about finally gotten rid of after literally years of pain and suffering.
Oh, and Dallas just traded for Rudy Fernandez, who shoots well and moves without the ball, for a bag of chips (and couple of late round draft picks).
Bottomline: this trade just wasn’t very good value or cap management. I will wait and see, but this one doesn’t look good from the get-go.
Wow, what an eventful day!
So many comments to catch up on. I’m okay with the picks, but I think we could’ve done better with the trade
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